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Does comet ISON have a 333 year orbit?

 
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Seems logical?
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Then show me the logic in it. Sungrazers are not automatic "hazards."


he didn't say automatic. he said potential. and he's right. obviously.

when you c
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road, potentially, you could get hit by a car. doesn't mean you will.


If you know the car isn't leaving for the road until an hour after you cross it, then you
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know that particular car is not a hazard.



Hey, knowing is half the battle! And if you see it coming and don't have time to get
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the way, well.. Hazard.

It's inevitable, stranger things have happened. We got our moon somehow?

And it all goes around in cycles...
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1014 - Are you denying the historic records of major floods in the UK, Europe and the Eastern USA of that year?

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Wait, are you claiming a tsunami-creating comet *hit* the Earth only a lousy millenium ago?

Where's the crater?
Where's the iridium?
The mini-ice age?
What evidence can you show of the claimed tsunami on the East Coast?

Floods happen quite often with no tsunami or meteor strike necessary.

When ISON passes without incident, will that prove the 333 year theory is false?
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1014 - Are you denying the historic records of major floods in the UK, Europe and the Eastern USA of that year?
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What part of this do you not understand?
Cute, but the comet of 1014 didn't impact us, it was observed after its close approach to earth.
1347 - Superstition? I quote from: A general chronological history of the air, weather, seasons, meteors, etc. in sundry places and different times: more particularly for the space of 250 years: together with some of their most remarkable effects on animal (especially human) bodies and vegetables. by Dr Thomas Short
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Yes, I'm sure that's a super reliable account of what happened, complete with blood gushing from the graves of the dead. You literally swallow every bit of superstitious nonsense you read, don't you?
1680 - Are you denying the Great Comet made its appearance?
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No, are you trying to put words in my mouth? Yes.
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chuckle

Mr know-it-all now calls historical records 'superstition'. How very desperate are you.
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BadMoonRisen thinks blood was gushing from the graves of the dead like some Sam Raimi horror film. How very gullible of him.
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BadMoonRisen thinks blood was gushing from the graves of the dead like some Sam Raimi horror film. How very gullible of him.
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You obviously don't know much about classic literature. The colorful descriptive language was typical of 18th Century historians.

Not that you would know. chuckle

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Nay.. probably thinks they misinterpreted whatever made the water red as blood.
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1014 - Are you denying the historic records of major floods in the UK, Europe and the Eastern USA of that year?

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Wait, are you claiming a tsunami-creating comet *hit* the Earth only a lousy millenium ago?

Where's the crater?
Where's the iridium?
The mini-ice age?
What evidence can you show of the claimed tsunami on the East Coast?

Floods happen quite often with no tsunami or meteor strike necessary.

When ISON passes without incident, will that prove the 333 year theory is false?
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Show me where I said a comet had impacted - a fragment or meteor may have hit the Atlantic and caused the flood which is recorded in that year.

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ok
word salad can be dry
lets have some dressing!!!

is ISONS or any other Hyperbolic comets orbit known?

a hyperbolics potential orbit will be analysed in a hope a orbit model can or will become clear
 Quoting: Shadow Beam


You're not making any sense. We know ISON's orbit.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro



IM not makeing any sense?
ME?

so when does ISON finish an orbit, and return?
 Quoting: Shadow Beam

It's not returning, it's hyperbolic, that's what it means. It does not mean you "don't know."
 Quoting: Dr. Astro



that is not what Hyperbolic means.
Hyperbolic means a comet has an eccentric orbit and MAY not return.

this because its full orbit is not known

there is no condition of the word hyperbolic that defines a comet WILL NOT return on an orbit path

this is the case with ISON as its origin and start date of current orbit are unknown.

please contest this fact with a reply to my other question

what is the origin of ISONs current orbit?
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1014 - Are you denying the historic records of major floods in the UK, Europe and the Eastern USA of that year?

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Wait, are you claiming a tsunami-creating comet *hit* the Earth only a lousy millenium ago?

Where's the crater?
Where's the iridium?
The mini-ice age?
What evidence can you show of the claimed tsunami on the East Coast?

Floods happen quite often with no tsunami or meteor strike necessary.

When ISON passes without incident, will that prove the 333 year theory is false?
 Quoting: 74444


Show me where I said a comet had impacted?
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If it did not impact, what caused the supposed tsunami?
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Maybe Astro needs to use smaller words.

Apparently there are people who don't know what an orbit is.
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You're not making any sense. We know ISON's orbit.
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IM not makeing any sense?
ME?

so when does ISON finish an orbit, and return?
 Quoting: Shadow Beam

It's not returning, it's hyperbolic, that's what it means. It does not mean you "don't know."
 Quoting: Dr. Astro



that is not what Hyperbolic means.
 Quoting: Shadow Beam

It means eccentricity > 1. Provided that the orbit remains with eccentricity > 1 after leaving the vicinity of the planets, hyperbolic, it WILL NOT return, not that the orbit is "unknown."
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If it did not impact, what caused the supposed tsunami?
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The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle states that in England 1014 AD, on the eve of St. Michael’s day (September 28, 1014) “came the great sea-flood, which spread wide over this land, and ran so far up as it never did before, overwhelming many towns, and an innumerable multitude of people.” This is clearly a reference to a tsunami similar to the one that struck Indonesia in December 2004 which killed over 250,000 people.

What could have caused this tsunami? Could a meteor or comet impact in the Atlantic Ocean have been the cause? Researcher Dallas Abbott of the Lamont Doherty Earth Observatory at Columbia University discovered material in a bog at Black Rock Forest in Cornwall, New York that “is difficult to explain except with an impact event.” This material included impact glass and spherules that can only be created by the forces associated with a meteor or comet impact as well as marine sediments and fossils that were determined to have come from the mid-Atlantic ridge, over 3800 kilometers from Black Rock Forest. Abbott noted that “because these locations are so far away from Black Rock Forest, the only viable method for transporting the material to Black Rock Forest is an impact event.”

In other words, the evidence suggests that a comet or meteor slammed into the middle of the Atlantic Ocean and ejected material from the bottom of the ocean which flew over 3800 kilometers and landed in the bog at Black Rock Forest in New York. The material at Black Rock was dated to around 1014 AD. Abbott also noted that such an impact event would have also created a tsunami that would radiate out in all directions from the point of impact thus she began looking for evidence of such a tsunami.

More at link:

[link to www.freerepublic.com]

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You're not making any sense. We know ISON's orbit.
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IM not makeing any sense?
ME?

so when does ISON finish an orbit, and return?
 Quoting: Shadow Beam

It's not returning, it's hyperbolic, that's what it means. It does not mean you "don't know."
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that is not what Hyperbolic means.
Hyperbolic means a comet has an eccentric orbit and MAY not return.

this because its full orbit is not known

there is no condition of the word hyperbolic that defines a comet WILL NOT return on an orbit path

this is the case with ISON as its origin and start date of current orbit are unknown.

please contest this fact with a reply to my other question

what is the origin of ISONs current orbit?
 Quoting: Shadow Beam


"In astrodynamics or celestial mechanics a hyperbolic trajectory is a Kepler orbit with the eccentricity greater than 1. Under standard assumptions a body traveling along this trajectory will coast to infinity, arriving there with hyperbolic excess velocity relative to the central body. Similarly to parabolic trajectory all hyperbolic trajectories are also escape trajectories. The specific energy of a hyperbolic trajectory orbit is positive. The shape of a hyperbolic trajectory is a hyperbola."

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comets and meteors cant turn water red!!.....thats unheard of!!

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comets and meteors cant turn water red!!.....thats unheard of!!

[link to en.m.wikipedia.org]
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Oh, and I thought it was blood - shucks. chuckle
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IM not makeing any sense?
ME?

so when does ISON finish an orbit, and return?
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It's not returning, it's hyperbolic, that's what it means. It does not mean you "don't know."
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that is not what Hyperbolic means.
Hyperbolic means a comet has an eccentric orbit and MAY not return.

this because its full orbit is not known

there is no condition of the word hyperbolic that defines a comet WILL NOT return on an orbit path

this is the case with ISON as its origin and start date of current orbit are unknown.

please contest this fact with a reply to my other question

what is the origin of ISONs current orbit?
 Quoting: Shadow Beam


"In astrodynamics or celestial mechanics a hyperbolic trajectory is a Kepler orbit with the eccentricity greater than 1. Under standard assumptions a body traveling along this trajectory will coast to infinity, arriving there with hyperbolic excess velocity relative to the central body. Similarly to parabolic trajectory all hyperbolic trajectories are also escape trajectories. The specific energy of a hyperbolic trajectory orbit is positive. The shape of a hyperbolic trajectory is a hyperbola."

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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oh right
comets follow orbits
a completion of a cycle

but not ISON
it came from nowhere and is heading for infinity!!

science ay! solves all unresolved subjects
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BadMoonRisen thinks blood was gushing from the graves of the dead like some Sam Raimi horror film. How very gullible of him.
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You obviously don't know much about classic literature. The colorful descriptive language was typical of 18th Century historians.

Not that you would know. chuckle
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A minute ago you were defending it as a reliable historical record of what happened, or are you forgetting that? You must think this is a documentary:

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If it did not impact, what caused the supposed tsunami?
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The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle states that in England 1014 AD, on the eve of St. Michael’s day (September 28, 1014) “came the great sea-flood, which spread wide over this land, and ran so far up as it never did before, overwhelming many towns, and an innumerable multitude of people.” This is clearly a reference to a tsunami similar to the one that struck Indonesia in December 2004 which killed over 250,000 people.

What could have caused this tsunami? Could a meteor or comet impact in the Atlantic Ocean have been the cause? Researcher Dallas Abbott of the Lamont Doherty Earth Observatory at Columbia University discovered material in a bog at Black Rock Forest in Cornwall, New York that “is difficult to explain except with an impact event.” This material included impact glass and spherules that can only be created by the forces associated with a meteor or comet impact as well as marine sediments and fossils that were determined to have come from the mid-Atlantic ridge, over 3800 kilometers from Black Rock Forest. Abbott noted that “because these locations are so far away from Black Rock Forest, the only viable method for transporting the material to Black Rock Forest is an impact event.”

In other words, the evidence suggests that a comet or meteor slammed into the middle of the Atlantic Ocean and ejected material from the bottom of the ocean which flew over 3800 kilometers and landed in the bog at Black Rock Forest in New York. The material at Black Rock was dated to around 1014 AD. Abbott also noted that such an impact event would have also created a tsunami that would radiate out in all directions from the point of impact thus she began looking for evidence of such a tsunami.

More at link:

[link to www.freerepublic.com]
 Quoting: BadMoonRisen


Interesting. Okay -- so according to that, a comet *would* have had to impact to manifest the described tsunami. But there should be a *lot* more physical evidence, particularly for something as recent as 1000 years ago, and with the power described. There should be a layer or iridium. There should be a mini (if not big) ice age. There should be a means of detecting a crater a'la the Yucatan. These demonstrably haven't been discovered. I'm not familiar with the ammonia method. for detecting comets outlined in the article, so I'd like to see more sources detailing that as a reliable means of detecting impacts.
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It's not returning, it's hyperbolic, that's what it means. It does not mean you "don't know."
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that is not what Hyperbolic means.
Hyperbolic means a comet has an eccentric orbit and MAY not return.

this because its full orbit is not known

there is no condition of the word hyperbolic that defines a comet WILL NOT return on an orbit path

this is the case with ISON as its origin and start date of current orbit are unknown.

please contest this fact with a reply to my other question

what is the origin of ISONs current orbit?
 Quoting: Shadow Beam


"In astrodynamics or celestial mechanics a hyperbolic trajectory is a Kepler orbit with the eccentricity greater than 1. Under standard assumptions a body traveling along this trajectory will coast to infinity, arriving there with hyperbolic excess velocity relative to the central body. Similarly to parabolic trajectory all hyperbolic trajectories are also escape trajectories. The specific energy of a hyperbolic trajectory orbit is positive. The shape of a hyperbolic trajectory is a hyperbola."

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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oh right
comets follow orbits
a completion of a cycle

but not ISON
it came from nowhere and is heading for infinity!!

science ay! solves all unresolved subjects
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There is stuff that falls out of the Oort cloud that never comes back.

Sorry to disappoint you.
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BadMoonRisen thinks blood was gushing from the graves of the dead like some Sam Raimi horror film. How very gullible of him.
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You obviously don't know much about classic literature. The colorful descriptive language was typical of 18th Century historians.

Not that you would know. chuckle
 Quoting: BadMoonRisen


A minute ago you were defending it as a reliable historical record of what happened, or are you forgetting that? You must think this is a documentary:

 Quoting: Dr. Astro


comets and meteors cant turn water red!!.....thats unheard of!!

[link to en.m.wikipedia.org]
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Oh, and I thought it was blood - shucks. chuckle
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its not just my questions that are overlooked!!
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that is not what Hyperbolic means.
Hyperbolic means a comet has an eccentric orbit and MAY not return.

this because its full orbit is not known

there is no condition of the word hyperbolic that defines a comet WILL NOT return on an orbit path

this is the case with ISON as its origin and start date of current orbit are unknown.

please contest this fact with a reply to my other question

what is the origin of ISONs current orbit?
 Quoting: Shadow Beam


"In astrodynamics or celestial mechanics a hyperbolic trajectory is a Kepler orbit with the eccentricity greater than 1. Under standard assumptions a body traveling along this trajectory will coast to infinity, arriving there with hyperbolic excess velocity relative to the central body. Similarly to parabolic trajectory all hyperbolic trajectories are also escape trajectories. The specific energy of a hyperbolic trajectory orbit is positive. The shape of a hyperbolic trajectory is a hyperbola."

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: 74444



oh right
comets follow orbits
a completion of a cycle

but not ISON
it came from nowhere and is heading for infinity!!

science ay! solves all unresolved subjects
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There is stuff that falls out of the Oort cloud that never comes back.

Sorry to disappoint you.
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does it!!

and thats what has occured with ISON????
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Interesting. Okay -- so according to that, a comet *would* have had to impact to manifest the described tsunami. But there should be a *lot* more physical evidence, particularly for something as recent as 1000 years ago, and with the power described. There should be a layer or iridium. There should be a mini (if not big) ice age. There should be a means of detecting a crater a'la the Yucatan. These demonstrably haven't been discovered. I'm not familiar with the ammonia method. for detecting comets outlined in the article, so I'd like to see more sources detailing that as a reliable means of detecting impacts.
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The meteor that hit Russia in 1908 - did that cause an ice age? If that had hit the Ocean, do you not think it would have caused a massive tsunami?

The physical evidence of 1014 would be the floods that were recorded in that year causing widespread devastation. A thousand years from now, if there were no historical records kept today, the impact in 1908 would not be known about - and this was a land event. What chance of much physical evidence from an ocean event of the same magnitude?

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An analysis of comet ISON's orbit in comparison to historical comets.
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Hey dude.

I am so tired.

I'm having a hard time
thinking or concentrating,
but I got a question for you.

DOES ISON HAVE A 10,000 year orbit?

I'll watch video tomorrow.
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No, it's hyperbolic.
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why?

how do you know it's hyperbolic?

where does it come from? with proof please.

does it have a 2013 year orbit?
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Interesting. Okay -- so according to that, a comet *would* have had to impact to manifest the described tsunami. But there should be a *lot* more physical evidence, particularly for something as recent as 1000 years ago, and with the power described. There should be a layer or iridium. There should be a mini (if not big) ice age. There should be a means of detecting a crater a'la the Yucatan. These demonstrably haven't been discovered. I'm not familiar with the ammonia method. for detecting comets outlined in the article, so I'd like to see more sources detailing that as a reliable means of detecting impacts.
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The meteor that hit Russia in 1908 - did that cause an ice age? If that had hit the Ocean, do you not think it would have caused a massive tsunami?

The physical evidence of 1014 would be the floods that were recorded in that year causing widespread devastation. A thousand years from now, if there were no historical records kept today, the impact in 1908 would not be known about - and this was a land event. What chance of much physical evidence from an ocean event of the same magnitude?
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1014 happened. 1347 happened. 1680 happened. 2013 the 'Comet of the Century' approaches.

333 years apart.

But just a coincidence. chuckle
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THIS JUST IN......

Comet ISON may have another CME heading towards it now. STEREO Ahead coronagraph 2 movie shows a hefty blast going somewhat south of the ecliptic.

Look out, ISON!

[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]

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wow badmoonrisen

its gone very quite hear!!
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THIS JUST IN......

Comet ISON may have another CME heading towards it now. STEREO Ahead coronagraph 2 movie shows a hefty blast going somewhat south of the ecliptic.

Look out, ISON!

[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]

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Wait for the threads that an outburst might happen again. lmao
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