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Does comet ISON have a 333 year orbit?

 
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And Dr Know-It-All is back.

chuckle
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So when Astro proves to be correct (again), do you think you might apologize for your derogatory name calling, please?
 Quoting: 74444


What to apologize for? The dude is always right - even when he's wrong.

I don't ask for an apology when he calls me a moron. He's entitled to his opinion and I'm entitled to mine.

Fight your own battles and stop being such a brown nose.
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I apologize, I should not have retaliated in kind despite your relentless onslaught of insults. Now, show me where I'm wrong.
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Well, you're wrong here:

Show me my relentless onslaught of insults please?
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So when Astro proves to be correct (again), do you think you might apologize for your derogatory name calling, please?
 Quoting: 74444


What to apologize for? The dude is always right - even when he's wrong.

I don't ask for an apology when he calls me a moron. He's entitled to his opinion and I'm entitled to mine.

Fight your own battles and stop being such a brown nose.
 Quoting: BadMoonRisen


I apologize, I should not have retaliated in kind despite your relentless onslaught of insults. Now, show me where I'm wrong.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Well, you're wrong here:

Show me my relentless onslaught of insults please?
 Quoting: BadMoonRisen


Thread: Does comet ISON have a 333 year orbit? (Page 7)

wow badmoonrisen

its gone very quite hear!!
 Quoting: Shadow Beam


Well, when NASA scientists themselves admit to being constantly surprised by comets, why would you believe the know-it-alls that bombard every Ison thread with their 'expert opinions'
 Quoting: BadMoonRisen


1014 - Are you denying the historic records of major floods in the UK, Europe and the Eastern USA of that year?
 Quoting: BadMoonRisen

What part of this do you not understand?
Cute, but the comet of 1014 didn't impact us, it was observed after its close approach to earth.
1347 - Superstition? I quote from: A general chronological history of the air, weather, seasons, meteors, etc. in sundry places and different times: more particularly for the space of 250 years: together with some of their most remarkable effects on animal (especially human) bodies and vegetables. by Dr Thomas Short
 Quoting: bad

Yes, I'm sure that's a super reliable account of what happened, complete with blood gushing from the graves of the dead. You literally swallow every bit of superstitious nonsense you read, don't you?
1680 - Are you denying the Great Comet made its appearance?
 Quoting: bad

No, are you trying to put words in my mouth? Yes.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


chuckle

Mr know-it-all now calls historical records 'superstition'. How very desperate are you.
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I was right. Now, show me where I was wrong.
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Re: Does comet ISON have a 333 year orbit?
Perhaps it would be wise, when making a video of this comet, that it's orbit not be illustrated since it DOES NOT HAVE ONE. Basically, this man is saying this is the first time this comet has been seen and it will disintegrate when nearing the sun - as they all do.



So, who pray tell has created the nonexistent orbit which has allowed us all to waste a few months thinking about the potential disaster?

Seems well orchestrated to me - as every year we have some "confirmed" disaster about to happen that will end life as we know it, then on the day before this end of times, some genius pops us and calls us a bunch of nutty conspiracy theorists. I have a theory - this is part of the distraction - part of the "overwhelm with information."
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When was ISON *ever* predicted to cause the end of life as we know it... by, say, an amateur or professional astronomer?
 Quoting: 74444


Cute.. im sure that poor dr guy appreciates you helping him out here but please, for the sake of entertainment..

We want to see the dr's response!
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Considering that the closest star to Earth is a little over 4 light years away, and there are 8 stars within 10 light years, if ISON were interstellar, it would only make sense that it came from one of our closest neighbors.
 Quoting: hatch battener 50098992

If ISON were interstellar, it would have an eccentricity much greater than 1. Most of these stars are traveling relative to us at many km/sec, and any of their comets would not be traveling very fast at all relative to their parent stars in order for them to remain gravitationally bound within their Oort clouds. Such a comet would, however, be traveling well above escape velocity relative to our sun. It would be strongly hyperbolic (1.1 at least), but instead it is only narrowly hyperbolic.
From Astro's own figures, ISON might not just be a good show from our region of space, but may be seeding interstellar elements into our solar system, until all civilization is destroyed!
 Quoting: hatch

Actually it seems that it will seed OUR elements into interstellar space. Perhaps that's the real doom. Poor universe will never see it coming.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Last paragraph is the funniest thing I've heard you say...

Are you feeling alright? It seems as though your 'authoritarian follower' attitude seems to be coming off...
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Re: Does comet ISON have a 333 year orbit?
Perhaps it would be wise, when making a video of this comet, that it's orbit not be illustrated since it DOES NOT HAVE ONE. Basically, this man is saying this is the first time this comet has been seen and it will disintegrate when nearing the sun - as they all do.



So, who pray tell has created the nonexistent orbit which has allowed us all to waste a few months thinking about the potential disaster?

Seems well orchestrated to me - as every year we have some "confirmed" disaster about to happen that will end life as we know it, then on the day before this end of times, some genius pops us and calls us a bunch of nutty conspiracy theorists. I have a theory - this is part of the distraction - part of the "overwhelm with information."
 Quoting: BunnySwanson

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When was ISON *ever* predicted to cause the end of life as we know it... by, say, an amateur or professional astronomer?
 Quoting: 74444


Cute.. im sure that poor dr guy appreciates you helping him out here but please, for the sake of entertainment..

We want to see the dr's response!
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No you don't, I already responded and clearly you don't care.
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Re: Does comet ISON have a 333 year orbit?
Considering that the closest star to Earth is a little over 4 light years away, and there are 8 stars within 10 light years, if ISON were interstellar, it would only make sense that it came from one of our closest neighbors.
 Quoting: hatch battener 50098992

If ISON were interstellar, it would have an eccentricity much greater than 1. Most of these stars are traveling relative to us at many km/sec, and any of their comets would not be traveling very fast at all relative to their parent stars in order for them to remain gravitationally bound within their Oort clouds. Such a comet would, however, be traveling well above escape velocity relative to our sun. It would be strongly hyperbolic (1.1 at least), but instead it is only narrowly hyperbolic.
From Astro's own figures, ISON might not just be a good show from our region of space, but may be seeding interstellar elements into our solar system, until all civilization is destroyed!
 Quoting: hatch

Actually it seems that it will seed OUR elements into interstellar space. Perhaps that's the real doom. Poor universe will never see it coming.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Last paragraph is the funniest thing I've heard you say...

Are you feeling alright? It seems as though your 'authoritarian follower' attitude seems to be coming off...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24298141


I'm feeling fine, but I do feel bad for the universe that it might be infected by the same elements that lead to the rampant stupidity found here.
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Well your definition of relentless is clearly wrong. chuckle
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I'm feeling fine, but I do feel bad for the universe that it might be infected by the same elements that lead to the rampant stupidity found here.
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Don't be so hard on yourself.
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What to apologize for? The dude is always right - even when he's wrong.

I don't ask for an apology when he calls me a moron. He's entitled to his opinion and I'm entitled to mine.

Fight your own battles and stop being such a brown nose.
 Quoting: BadMoonRisen


I apologize, I should not have retaliated in kind despite your relentless onslaught of insults. Now, show me where I'm wrong.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Well, you're wrong here:

Show me my relentless onslaught of insults please?
 Quoting: BadMoonRisen


Thread: Does comet ISON have a 333 year orbit? (Page 7)

wow badmoonrisen

its gone very quite hear!!
 Quoting: Shadow Beam


Well, when NASA scientists themselves admit to being constantly surprised by comets, why would you believe the know-it-alls that bombard every Ison thread with their 'expert opinions'
 Quoting: BadMoonRisen


1014 - Are you denying the historic records of major floods in the UK, Europe and the Eastern USA of that year?
 Quoting: BadMoonRisen

What part of this do you not understand?
Cute, but the comet of 1014 didn't impact us, it was observed after its close approach to earth.
1347 - Superstition? I quote from: A general chronological history of the air, weather, seasons, meteors, etc. in sundry places and different times: more particularly for the space of 250 years: together with some of their most remarkable effects on animal (especially human) bodies and vegetables. by Dr Thomas Short
 Quoting: bad

Yes, I'm sure that's a super reliable account of what happened, complete with blood gushing from the graves of the dead. You literally swallow every bit of superstitious nonsense you read, don't you?
1680 - Are you denying the Great Comet made its appearance?
 Quoting: bad

No, are you trying to put words in my mouth? Yes.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


chuckle

Mr know-it-all now calls historical records 'superstition'. How very desperate are you.
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I was right. Now, show me where I was wrong.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


BOOM!!!!! SEE MY BITCH WHIP GO!! I wonder how fast he's going to crawl back in that hole.... Hahahahahaha!
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Well your definition of relentless is clearly wrong. chuckle
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So how many times must you insult me before it counts as relentless then? By my definition you're pretty relentless, but apparently only your opinion matters.
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I'm feeling fine, but I do feel bad for the universe that it might be infected by the same elements that lead to the rampant stupidity found here.
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Don't be so hard on yourself.
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See what I mean?
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Re: Does comet ISON have a 333 year orbit?
333 year orbit? who can tell - the calendars have be re-written over time so none of us can ever know shit.
For that reason alone, I vote the 333 year orbit.
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Considering that the closest star to Earth is a little over 4 light years away, and there are 8 stars within 10 light years, if ISON were interstellar, it would only make sense that it came from one of our closest neighbors.
 Quoting: hatch battener 50098992

If ISON were interstellar, it would have an eccentricity much greater than 1. Most of these stars are traveling relative to us at many km/sec, and any of their comets would not be traveling very fast at all relative to their parent stars in order for them to remain gravitationally bound within their Oort clouds. Such a comet would, however, be traveling well above escape velocity relative to our sun. It would be strongly hyperbolic (1.1 at least), but instead it is only narrowly hyperbolic.
From Astro's own figures, ISON might not just be a good show from our region of space, but may be seeding interstellar elements into our solar system, until all civilization is destroyed!
 Quoting: hatch

Actually it seems that it will seed OUR elements into interstellar space. Perhaps that's the real doom. Poor universe will never see it coming.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Last paragraph is the funniest thing I've heard you say...

Are you feeling alright? It seems as though your 'authoritarian follower' attitude seems to be coming off...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24298141


I'm feeling fine, but I do feel bad for the universe that it might be infected by the same elements that lead to the rampant stupidity found here.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


We all feel bad for the universe... that's the problem,
Many resources are wasted, that could be contributing to evolution.
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Well your definition of relentless is clearly wrong. chuckle
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So how many times must you insult me before it counts as relentless then? By my definition you're pretty relentless, but apparently only your opinion matters.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


If I've hurt your feelings, I apologize.

And yes, clearly you're right all the time. I bow to your enormous wisdom which is clearly competing with an even bigger ego.

You carry on being right and I'll carry on being a moron.

chuckle
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Interesting. Okay -- so according to that, a comet *would* have had to impact to manifest the described tsunami. But there should be a *lot* more physical evidence, particularly for something as recent as 1000 years ago, and with the power described. There should be a layer or iridium. There should be a mini (if not big) ice age. There should be a means of detecting a crater a'la the Yucatan. These demonstrably haven't been discovered. I'm not familiar with the ammonia method. for detecting comets outlined in the article, so I'd like to see more sources detailing that as a reliable means of detecting impacts.
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The meteor that hit Russia in 1908 - did that cause an ice age? If that had hit the Ocean, do you not think it would have caused a massive tsunami?
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No, not even close. Tuguska explosion was in the air, was likely a comet, and was only a few kilotons.

For an explosion to cause as massive a tidal wave as theorized would need to be *factors* larger. And there is decided lack of evidence any such expplosion took place. If I were going to buy the Tsunami explanation, I would look at much more terrestrial culprits -- a big ol' fashioned Earthquake in a sparsely populated part of the Earth on the Atlantic, I could certainly buy, and would certainly release that kind of energy.


The physical evidence of 1014 would be the floods that were recorded in that year causing widespread devastation. A thousand years from now, if there were no historical records kept today, the impact in 1908 would not be known about - and this was a land event. What chance of much physical evidence from an ocean event of the same magnitude?
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An ocean event of the same magnitude as Tuguska wouldn't cause such a massive tidal wave to be so destructive to both Europe and the East Coast of the U.S, and Central America. We have atomic bombs that could mimic a Tunguska. You'd need something with quite a lot more bang -- and it would leave *some* kind of physical evidence.

After all, the KT event sure did, and that was 65 *million* years ago.
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Re: Does comet ISON have a 333 year orbit?
ISON will NOT return because its orbital eccentricity is greater than 1.

This means it will be ejected from the solar system.

You can determine the orbit by observing the comet over a few nights. With the direction of travel and speed you can determine the 6 orbital elements. These tell you everything about the comet and where it will be at any given point in time. -- of course orbits change over time due to effects of planets gravity and other things, but to the OP's question, its not 333 year orbit or 313. its a 1 time comet that will never be back.
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Wikipedia says: “If a comet is traveling fast enough, it may leave the Solar System; such is the case for hyperbolic comets. To date, comets are only known to be ejected by interacting with another object in the solar system.”
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^^^

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It came from the Oort cloud?

In other words, no one knows where it came from.
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need to chill doc.. u would get a lot mor respect to add to your fantastic subject knowledge if you responded just to the point at hand.
you don't need to bite. they do
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Interesting. Okay -- so according to that, a comet *would* have had to impact to manifest the described tsunami. But there should be a *lot* more physical evidence, particularly for something as recent as 1000 years ago, and with the power described. There should be a layer or iridium. There should be a mini (if not big) ice age. There should be a means of detecting a crater a'la the Yucatan. These demonstrably haven't been discovered. I'm not familiar with the ammonia method. for detecting comets outlined in the article, so I'd like to see more sources detailing that as a reliable means of detecting impacts.
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The meteor that hit Russia in 1908 - did that cause an ice age? If that had hit the Ocean, do you not think it would have caused a massive tsunami?
 Quoting: BadMoonRisen


No, not even close. Tuguska explosion was in the air, was likely a comet, and was only a few kilotons.

For an explosion to cause as massive a tidal wave as theorized would need to be *factors* larger. And there is decided lack of evidence any such expplosion took place. If I were going to buy the Tsunami explanation, I would look at much more terrestrial culprits -- a big ol' fashioned Earthquake in a sparsely populated part of the Earth on the Atlantic, I could certainly buy, and would certainly release that kind of energy.

The physical evidence of 1014 would be the floods that were recorded in that year causing widespread devastation. A thousand years from now, if there were no historical records kept today, the impact in 1908 would not be known about - and this was a land event. What chance of much physical evidence from an ocean event of the same magnitude?
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An ocean event of the same magnitude as Tuguska wouldn't cause such a massive tidal wave to be so destructive to both Europe and the East Coast of the U.S, and Central America. We have atomic bombs that could mimic a Tunguska. You'd need something with quite a lot more bang -- and it would leave *some* kind of physical evidence.

After all, the KT event sure did, and that was 65 *million* years ago.
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Is it not the displacement of water that causes a tidal wave as opposed to 'explosive force'?
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ISON will NOT return because its orbital eccentricity is greater than 1.

This means it will be ejected from the solar system.

You can determine the orbit by observing the comet over a few nights. With the direction of travel and speed you can determine the 6 orbital elements. These tell you everything about the comet and where it will be at any given point in time. -- of course orbits change over time due to effects of planets gravity and other things, but to the OP's question, its not 333 year orbit or 313. its a 1 time comet that will never be back.
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Wikipedia says: “If a comet is traveling fast enough, it may leave the Solar System; such is the case for hyperbolic comets. To date, comets are only known to be ejected by interacting with another object in the solar system.”
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^^^

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Yes, in this case the "object" or rather "objects" are the planets themselves.
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333 year orbit? who can tell - the calendars have be re-written over time so none of us can ever know shit.
For that reason alone, I vote the 333 year orbit.
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putin
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it is a million to one shot
but some very special times a million to one can be the deadest cert
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333 year orbit? who can tell - the calendars have be re-written over time so none of us can ever know shit.
For that reason alone, I vote the 333 year orbit.
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putin
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you don't know shit either, you're just a pawn.
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it is a million to one shot
but some very special times a million to one can be the deadest cert
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What? No, it's not a million to one shot, the comet is not in a 333 year orbit, that's all there is to it.
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333 year orbit? who can tell - the calendars have be re-written over time so none of us can ever know shit.
For that reason alone, I vote the 333 year orbit.
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putin
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you don't know shit either, you're just a pawn.
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I know what an eccentricity greater than one means, and it does not mean a 333 year orbit.

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I wish i was so simply amused...
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Me too...I got bored with GLP Friday night so I decided to research the origins of GLP...

Now THAT will fascinate AND amuse you...

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it is a million to one shot
but some very special times a million to one can be the deadest cert
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What? No, it's not a million to one shot, the comet is not in a 333 year orbit, that's all there is to it.
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I mean the comet doing something seriously out of the ordinary that affects earth
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333 year orbit? who can tell - the calendars have be re-written over time so none of us can ever know shit.
For that reason alone, I vote the 333 year orbit.
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putin
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you don't know shit either, you're just a pawn.
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I know what an eccentricity greater than one means, and it does not mean a 333 year orbit.
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you, me, and eveyone else base all our opinions on data released by liars. Like I said, you don't know shit either, but worse still you dont' comprehend.
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First, thanks for Stellardrone - as I remember it was your web site I first heard and downloaded this music from.
Second, a question. Could comet ISON possibly bump into Nibiru planet some time some place on its way to Earth, so only a small rock of Nibiru fell on Earth known as Chelyabins meteorite? And now we will never know it really existed?
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Is it not the displacement of water that causes a tidal wave as opposed to 'explosive force'?
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In a comet or big meteorite strike, I'm not sure it would matter. The energy release to propel such a tidal wave would need to be massive.

Consider the Fukushima Earthquake. That was *massive* in terms of energy, yet the tidal wave that smashed into Japan did not smash similarly into Hawaii or the West Coast of the United States. Hawaii certainly had a tidal surge of a few feet, but California, Washington, and Oregon had about bupkiss.

Now you are theorizing such an energy release from an impact -- big enough to affect both Europe and the Americas in huge ways, yet small enough to not leave any other physical evidence.

Now, that's by no means a perfect analogy -- the Pacific is freekin' big. But the Atlantic is no slouch either, so something to affect both coasts would have to be very, very large -- again, magnitudes greater than Tunguska. So, if it was an impact, there should be physical evidence for it just about *everywhere,* particularly given how recently it supposedly happened.

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