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The Jews and Mark of the Beast

 
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jews are the most chosen of the Israelites.
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chosen for what ??

a good thing or a bad thing ??
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both, they received the blessing and the curse.

they were chosen to carry the torah.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 10


what blessing do they recieve that others do not ?
 Quoting: rekameohsnad


basically a prosperous and peaceful life in Israel. have you not read?

It seems gentiles are envious, 'why has G-d chosen the jews and not us' 'if jesus is not the messiah then jews are the only ones with eternal life?'

please G-d loves all his creation, we were given the law of moses, gentiles were given the law of noah, both are paths to eternal life.
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no jews don't believe in the new testament.

it is a spin off to their religion, which was created by roman scholars, and filled with paganic themes.
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jews don't worship their messiah figure, where as christians do

that is the biggest difference between the two
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or... the Christian messiah, never fulfilled messianic prophecies.
therefore the jews could never believe in him.
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even if they did believe him, they still wouldn't worship him would they ?
 Quoting: rekameohsnad


that is right.
moshiach, who is a human being, is not to be worshipped. only G-d is to be worshipped.
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is being chosen by God a good thing or a bad thing ?
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Prophecy doesn't leave anybody unaffected
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jews don't worship their messiah figure, where as christians do

that is the biggest difference between the two
 Quoting: rekameohsnad


or... the Christian messiah, never fulfilled messianic prophecies.
therefore the jews could never believe in him.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 10


even if they did believe him, they still wouldn't worship him would they ?
 Quoting: rekameohsnad


that is right.
moshiach, who is a human being, is not to be worshipped. only G-d is to be worshipped.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 10


Yet Melchesidec was God in human form .... that's what most gentile Christians believe

Do you know if Jews believe that also ?
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or... the Christian messiah, never fulfilled messianic prophecies.
therefore the jews could never believe in him.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 10


even if they did believe him, they still wouldn't worship him would they ?
 Quoting: rekameohsnad


that is right.
moshiach, who is a human being, is not to be worshipped. only G-d is to be worshipped.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 10


Yet Melchesidec was God in human form .... that's what most gentile Christians believe

Do you know if Jews believe that also ?
 Quoting: Simple_Man


no, malchesidec was Shem the son Noah, he was a human being.
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jews don't worship their messiah figure, where as christians do

that is the biggest difference between the two
 Quoting: rekameohsnad


or... the Christian messiah, never fulfilled messianic prophecies.
therefore the jews could never believe in him.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 10


even if they did believe him, they still wouldn't worship him would they ?
 Quoting: rekameohsnad


that is right.
moshiach, who is a human being, is not to be worshipped. only G-d is to be worshipped.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 10



So what would you be doing when someone who declares himself the messiah rebuilds the temple, performs all kinds of biblical miracles, and then takes seat in the temple and declares himself God, demanding that everyone who refuses to worship him as God be killed?
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How many of you debaters are even Jewish?


Then how do you claim to be an expert?


stfu
Occam's Razor, morans!
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even if they did believe him, they still wouldn't worship him would they ?
 Quoting: rekameohsnad


that is right.
moshiach, who is a human being, is not to be worshipped. only G-d is to be worshipped.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 10


Yet Melchesidec was God in human form .... that's what most gentile Christians believe

Do you know if Jews believe that also ?
 Quoting: Simple_Man


no, malchesidec was Shem the son Noah, he was a human being.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 10


Hmmm ...

How do Jews reconcile what the name "Melchizedek" means " King of Righteousness" and that " King of Salem" means " King of Peace" ....how can Shem be a king

Also why would Abraham who is the Patriarch of all of Jews and the Father of our faith pay homage and respect to Melchizedek if Melchizedek wasn't greater then he was?

Not arguing ....just interested in your beliefs

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speaking of Abraham, why did God send Abraham to Sheol (jewish hell) ?
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600, three score, 6

from 1 Kings 10:14

arkaimenoch2
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666 is mentioned 4 times in the Bible 3 in the old Testament and one in the new Testament.

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it is 600, three score, 6 which is a grid mapping system is all; 2-D to 3-D
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speaking of Abraham, why did God send Abraham to Sheol (jewish hell) ?
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Sheol (or Hades) has two separate halves. One side was and is reserved for the torment of the evil, while the other side, called "Abraham's Bosom" in Luke 16:22, was for the comfort of the righteous. There is and impassable canyon, or gulf, between the two halves. When Christ was resurrected, he led the righteous out of Sheol to Heaven. Many (probably not all) of the Old Testament saints were resurrected into their immortal bodies at that time (Matthew 27:51-53). Since then, the souls of all of the saved people go directly to Heaven when their bodies die. The lost people still go to Sheol and join the lost people of the Old Testament in torment on one side of the canyon when they die. The other side of Sheol formerly known as Abraham's Bosom has been vacant since Jesus Christ led the saints within it to heaven after His resurrection.
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speaking of Abraham, why did God send Abraham to Sheol (jewish hell) ?
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Sheol (or Hades) has two separate halves. One side was and is reserved for the torment of the evil, while the other side, called "Abraham's Bosom" in Luke 16:22, was for the comfort of the righteous. There is and impassable canyon, or gulf, between the two halves. When Christ was resurrected, he led the righteous out of Sheol to Heaven. Many (probably not all) of the Old Testament saints were resurrected into their immortal bodies at that time (Matthew 27:51-53). Since then, the souls of all of the saved people go directly to Heaven when their bodies die. The lost people still go to Sheol and join the lost people of the Old Testament in torment on one side of the canyon when they die. The other side of Sheol formerly known as Abraham's Bosom has been vacant since Jesus Christ led the saints within it to heaven after His resurrection.
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where in the Bible does it explain that Sheol has two halves ?
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JEWS as you call them today are not from the Tribe of Judah. The people that call themselves Jews today have been proven to by theor own poeple to be Khazars, Edomites and Europeans.

The chosen people are ISRAELITES. NOT JEWS. A Jew is not an Israelite.
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jews are the most chosen of the Israelites.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 10


No your not. You're identity thieves. Many people know it. Namely us real Israelites that have been awakened. Youre not chosen. You're the synagogue of Satan. There is not most chosen you fraudlent jackass.

You're not any of the 12 tribes. You're impostor bastards.
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that is right.
moshiach, who is a human being, is not to be worshipped. only G-d is to be worshipped.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 10


Yet Melchesidec was God in human form .... that's what most gentile Christians believe

Do you know if Jews believe that also ?
 Quoting: Simple_Man


no, malchesidec was Shem the son Noah, he was a human being.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 10


Hmmm ...

How do Jews reconcile what the name "Melchizedek" means " King of Righteousness" and that " King of Salem" means " King of Peace" ....how can Shem be a king

Also why would Abraham who is the Patriarch of all of Jews and the Father of our faith pay homage and respect to Melchizedek if Melchizedek wasn't greater then he was?

Not arguing ....just interested in your beliefs
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its just a name/title.
Jacob even names an altar after the name of G-d.

Shem/malchisedec was a patriarch of Abraham.
and Abraham was an honorable man, he paid homage and made alliances with various leaders in the area.
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or... the Christian messiah, never fulfilled messianic prophecies.
therefore the jews could never believe in him.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 10


even if they did believe him, they still wouldn't worship him would they ?
 Quoting: rekameohsnad


that is right.
moshiach, who is a human being, is not to be worshipped. only G-d is to be worshipped.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 10



So what would you be doing when someone who declares himself the messiah rebuilds the temple, performs all kinds of biblical miracles, and then takes seat in the temple and declares himself God, demanding that everyone who refuses to worship him as God be killed?
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There is no self declared Messiah as it will be known throughout the world that he is the Messiah with all the miracles that will take place. Think about that.
Nor will he declare himself as G-D (where did you get that from!?). "demanding that..." just shut up.
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speaking of Abraham, why did God send Abraham to Sheol (jewish hell) ?
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book chapter verse?
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speaking of Abraham, why did God send Abraham to Sheol (jewish hell) ?
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Sheol (or Hades) has two separate halves. One side was and is reserved for the torment of the evil, while the other side, called "Abraham's Bosom" in Luke 16:22, was for the comfort of the righteous. There is and impassable canyon, or gulf, between the two halves. When Christ was resurrected, he led the righteous out of Sheol to Heaven. Many (probably not all) of the Old Testament saints were resurrected into their immortal bodies at that time (Matthew 27:51-53). Since then, the souls of all of the saved people go directly to Heaven when their bodies die. The lost people still go to Sheol and join the lost people of the Old Testament in torment on one side of the canyon when they die. The other side of Sheol formerly known as Abraham's Bosom has been vacant since Jesus Christ led the saints within it to heaven after His resurrection.
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where in the Bible does it explain that Sheol has two halves ?
 Quoting: rekameohsnad



"There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

'And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

"And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

'And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

"And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and sees Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

"And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

"But Abraham said, Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and you are tormented.

"And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from there to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from there.

"Then he said, I pray therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house:

"For I have five brothers; that he may testify unto them, unless they also come into this place of torment.

'Abraham said unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

'And he said, No, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

"And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead"

(Luke 16:19-31).
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JEWS as you call them today are not from the Tribe of Judah. The people that call themselves Jews today have been proven to by theor own poeple to be Khazars, Edomites and Europeans.

The chosen people are ISRAELITES. NOT JEWS. A Jew is not an Israelite.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48847435


jews are the most chosen of the Israelites.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 10


No your not. You're identity thieves. Many people know it. Namely us real Israelites that have been awakened. Youre not chosen. You're the synagogue of Satan. There is not most chosen you fraudlent jackass.

You're not any of the 12 tribes. You're impostor bastards.
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you don't happen to be black do you?

the bible makes it perfectly clear that the jews would be in Israel prior to gog and magog and arrival of moshiach, which is the time we are living in now.

if you are truly one of the tribes, and G-d deems you worthy (not all Israelites have returned, some have adopted false fates, they will not return)
then you will come to Israel when moshiach completes the gathering.
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speaking of Abraham, why did God send Abraham to Sheol (jewish hell) ?
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Sheol (or Hades) has two separate halves. One side was and is reserved for the torment of the evil, while the other side, called "Abraham's Bosom" in Luke 16:22, was for the comfort of the righteous. There is and impassable canyon, or gulf, between the two halves. When Christ was resurrected, he led the righteous out of Sheol to Heaven. Many (probably not all) of the Old Testament saints were resurrected into their immortal bodies at that time (Matthew 27:51-53). Since then, the souls of all of the saved people go directly to Heaven when their bodies die. The lost people still go to Sheol and join the lost people of the Old Testament in torment on one side of the canyon when they die. The other side of Sheol formerly known as Abraham's Bosom has been vacant since Jesus Christ led the saints within it to heaven after His resurrection.
 Quoting: Simple_Man


where in the Bible does it explain that Sheol has two halves ?
 Quoting: rekameohsnad



"There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

'And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

"And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

'And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

"And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and sees Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

"And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

"But Abraham said, Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and you are tormented.

"And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from there to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from there.

"Then he said, I pray therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house:

"For I have five brothers; that he may testify unto them, unless they also come into this place of torment.

'Abraham said unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

'And he said, No, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

"And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead"

(Luke 16:19-31).
 Quoting: Simple_Man


still doesn't explain why Abraham was sent to Sheol in the first place
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There are Israeli Jews and Zionist Illuminati Jews. The later are the ones that cause all the trouble around the globe by infiltrating Governments with their satanic agendas.
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Zionist illuminati jews, are how the Vatican Nazis infiltrated the jewish people.
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Jews are not God's chosen people.
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where in the Bible does it explain that Sheol has two halves ?



"There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

'And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

"And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

'And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

"And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and sees Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

"And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

"But Abraham said, Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and you are tormented.

"And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from there to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from there.

"Then he said, I pray therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house:

"For I have five brothers; that he may testify unto them, unless they also come into this place of torment.

'Abraham said unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

'And he said, No, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

"And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead"

(Luke 16:19-31).

Good proof... take your book of Luke and place it where it belongs.
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why did God send Abraham to Hell ?

and if Jesus saved Abraham from Hell, then that means souls in Hell today can be saved by Jesus, correct ?
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speaking of Abraham, why did God send Abraham to Sheol (jewish hell) ?
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Sheol (or Hades) has two separate halves. One side was and is reserved for the torment of the evil, while the other side, called "Abraham's Bosom" in Luke 16:22, was for the comfort of the righteous. There is and impassable canyon, or gulf, between the two halves. When Christ was resurrected, he led the righteous out of Sheol to Heaven. Many (probably not all) of the Old Testament saints were resurrected into their immortal bodies at that time (Matthew 27:51-53). Since then, the souls of all of the saved people go directly to Heaven when their bodies die. The lost people still go to Sheol and join the lost people of the Old Testament in torment on one side of the canyon when they die. The other side of Sheol formerly known as Abraham's Bosom has been vacant since Jesus Christ led the saints within it to heaven after His resurrection.
 Quoting: Simple_Man


where in the Bible does it explain that Sheol has two halves ?
 Quoting: rekameohsnad



"There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

'And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

"And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

'And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

"And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and sees Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

"And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

"But Abraham said, Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and you are tormented.

"And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from there to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from there.

"Then he said, I pray therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house:

"For I have five brothers; that he may testify unto them, unless they also come into this place of torment.

'Abraham said unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

'And he said, No, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

"And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead"

(Luke 16:19-31).
 Quoting: Simple_Man


Good proof...
take your book of Luke and place it where it belongs.
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that is the Christian Account, not the Jewish Account of Sheol

Jews do not believe in the Book of Luke

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You hook nose fucks are the enemies of Christ. Always have been. You were the Pharisees, Idumeans, Edomites. You were cunning money changers that practiced paganism. Nothing has changed except that you stole the identity of us real Israelites. Well the truth has been coming out to all people. The jig is up and when it gets big enough, if you're not blown off the map by some other country you'll have to deal with us. It won't be pretty for you.
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haha ok, I cant wait for you black Hebrew Israelites to storm the beaches of Israel.
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why did God send Abraham to Hell ?

and if Jesus saved Abraham from Hell, then that means souls in Hell today can be saved by Jesus, correct ?
 Quoting: rekameohsnad


when did G-D send Abraham to hell?
and if Jesus.. take a look at this first before you blabber: www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2283989/pg1
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where in the Bible does it explain that Sheol has two halves ?
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"There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:



that is the Christian Account, not the Jewish Account of Sheol

Jews do not believe in the Book of Luke


does the OT say that Abraham was sent to sheol?
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JEWS as you call them today are not from the Tribe of Judah. The people that call themselves Jews today have been proven to by theor own poeple to be Khazars, Edomites and Europeans.

The chosen people are ISRAELITES. NOT JEWS. A Jew is not an Israelite.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48847435


jews are the most chosen of the Israelites.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 10


No your not. You're identity thieves. Many people know it. Namely us real Israelites that have been awakened. Youre not chosen. You're the synagogue of Satan. There is not most chosen you fraudlent jackass.

You're not any of the 12 tribes. You're impostor bastards.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48847435


you don't happen to be black do you?

the bible makes it perfectly clear that the jews would be in Israel prior to gog and magog and arrival of moshiach, which is the time we are living in now.

if you are truly one of the tribes, and G-d deems you worthy (not all Israelites will return, some have adopted false fates, they will not return)
then you will come to Israel when moshiach completes the gathering.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 10


for the brainwashed who is a jew wannabe.

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Re: The Jews and Mark of the Beast
Jews are not God's chosen people.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50120150


Jews who fail to believe in Jesus were cut off and damned to hell. Thats right despite what John Hagee tries to preach...LOL
First off Jesus came from the tribe of Judah ...yes a Jewish tribe. The gospels and bible was written by ... yes...the Jews....they are without excuse....anyone who rejects Jesus as salvation or takes the mark of the beast666 is damned for eternity
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4255546


Oh, and that is not my opinion...thats a fact
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4255546


Christians pray to a human corpse and call him their lord. lol. that is sad af tbh
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37754298


There is no corpse. That's the entire point. He is risen.

Your ignorance about things you despise is astonishing. lol.