BIG NEWS - Cops Told To Wait Before Entering Sandy Hook

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Anyone who doesnt live in Paranoiabizzaropsychoville is either a foolish sheep or a part of the grand evil conspiracy!

So, was Mary Haggerty at Sandy Hook that day?

What was she doing there?

Was she in the meeting?

Though there are many possible realities for 12/14 ranging from federal gun-grabbing hoax to "Adam" did it, statistically the most likely possibility is a rage incident between one or more parents/relatives and the school.

So, Manfredonia was "just getting his daughter," right?

Then why the freak-out attempt to insist he was briefly detained when in fact he was held all damn day?

Sibley was "just a visiting mom," right?

So why the freak-out attempt to insist she "couldn't possibly have called 911?"

Obviously, something's up with Manfredonia. Obviously, something's up with Sibley.

That "something" is likely 1) the time they were actually there and 2) the multiple suspects and suspect vehicles they witnessed.

Why do they insist to the 5 Minute shooting spree? It is impossible, from what they are telling us.



9:35AM [Estimate]
In the Sandy Hook library three faculty members hear noises and move 15 or so students to a storage closet in the library filled with computer servers. “Hold hands. Be quiet,” one teacher tells the children. One child questions “whether there are pots and pans were clanging. Another thought he heard firecrackers. Another worried an animal was coming to the door,” the Washington Post reports. “They were children in a place built for children, and the teachers didn’t know how to answer them … ‘It’s a drill,’ said a library clerk named Mary Anne Jacobs.” Eli Saslow, “Sandy Hook Massacre: Teachers Sought to Soothe Children in Moments of Terror,” Washington Post, December 15, 2012.


Then after they had the shadows running past the building, and they have someone proned out (9:41)

there is this entry:

Male: "[For Riverside?] units, be aware that we could have a second [unit]."

Male, sirens: "[95 roger, received.] Any description?"

Male: "[Units responding] […end] uh, his last known shots were in the front of the [school] building.[Maybe the roof.]"


At 9:40: Dispatch (Nute), faint: Ambulances requested to stage Methodist Church, Sandy Hook Center; ambulances and (louder) medics, you are requested to stage Methodist Church, Sandy Hook Center; I will need two ambulances at this time." "


At 9:42, Troop A (CSP) continues to ask for directions:

Male: "Troop A, uh, directions please again, off exit 10?"

Male: "Troop A, all cars: Exit 10, take a left on Route 34, continue on Riverside Road, and then turn right onto Dickerson Drive."

9:43 - Male: "Get Newtown on the line so we're coordinating with them; they may just want us to establish a perimiter, or whatever."

09:43AM : “872-YEO” (2)

09:43AM : Male: “[6]5, just received a call: we have one female in Room 1 who has received a gunshot wound to the foot; un[certain of any other] injuries at this time. I have [advised] for an ambulance [remain up at?] staging.”


09:44AM : “Partie in custody?” (3)

09:46AM : “We’ve got an injured person in Room 9 with numerous gunshot wounds.” (1)

09:46Am :Male, breathless (S4?): “'K, I need units in the school, I got bodies here, but, uh, get ambulances… [ASAP?].”


09:47AM : “Copy, we’re moving out to the rear, Sandy Hook’s Fire Department Dickerson (3)

09:47AM : “Setting up a perimeter front rear.” (3)

09:48AM : “Might possibly need a second medic” (3)


09:49AM : “Negative on description. Shots were fired about three minutes ago.” (which would be 9:46AM) (1)

09:50AM : “Secure area on Riverside” (1)

09:51AM :“We got one suspect down” (3)

09:53AM : “Newtown’s reporting one suspect down. The building has now been cleared.” (1)

09:53AM : “You’re going to stage with the EMS crews at Sandy Hook Fire Department” (3)

09:56AM : “Be advised, we have multiple weapons. Including one rifle(s) and a shotgun(s)” (3)

09:58AM : “Standby units at the school we’re conducting interior search at this time” (3)

09:58AM : “(same voice as above) “End the life of Adam?” (3)

10:00AM : “Team up on the roof and clear the roof” (3)


10:03AM : “Bringing a group of young kids out the front” (1)

10:03AM :“What is the number of ambulances you require? Response:”They don’t know, they’re not giving us a number” (3)

10:04AM : “We have a staging area for students and personnel and the parents outside near the street (can’t understand rest)” (1)

10:05AM : ”1:35 Connecticut 872YEO Possible suspect vehicle” (4)


10:25AM :- “We got a large group coming out the front door” (4)


10:29AM : “Roger, closet in the kitchen, it has some victims”(4)

10:32AM- : “We are forming up to do a double check of the building”(4)

10:32AM :“One of the places is in the kitchen, there is a teacher and 18 kids there”(4)

10:36AM :“Newtown and all responders on scene, the scene is not active”(4)

This timeline is very good, someone posted it earlier, only at some point there are no times included, but you can see that they continue to ask if it is safe to send in EMS:

bit DOT ly /YwwBsE


I have times in my timeline, but did not catch everything that was said:


[link to www.insanemedia.net]


So according to this, the shooter was already in the building much earlier..

The latest article from the NEwstimes stated that you could only hear two rifle shots in the 911 recordings.

It was stated that there were 100's of shots, I believe they said officially 150 shots if I'm not mistaken. This again indicates that the shooting spree took place earlier, also the initial shooting is said to have stopped around 9:38

09:38AM : “The shooting appears to have stopped. The school is in lock down.” (2)

but then you read:

09:40AM: “Shooter’s apparently still shooting in office area. Dickerson Drive.” (1)


09:49AM : “Negative on description. Shots were fired about three minutes ago.” (which would be 9:46AM) (1)


So, from approx. 9:35 until 9:46 is 11 Minutes.



09:51AM :“We got one suspect down” (3)

09:53AM : “Newtown’s reporting one suspect down. The building has now been cleared.” (1)

Last Edited by LadyK on 11/22/2013 12:30 AM

If they stick to the 9:45 version (which they can't) , plus 5 Minutes killing spree is 9:50 (remember Lanza apparently reloaded and one of the weapons was jammed), he also suicides himself and at 9:53 the Building was cleared?


Oh and then this creepy guy who says that they are conducting an interior search (after building has been cleared)

09:58AM : “Standby units at the school we’re conducting interior search at this time” (3)

09:58AM : “(same voice as above) “End the life of Adam?” (3)

Last Edited by LadyK on 11/22/2013 12:36 AM

9:36:20AM [estimate]
Newtown Bee Associate Editor Shannon Hicks is among the first on the scene at Sandy Hook Elementary. Hicks says she was at the Bee‘s offices about one and one quarter miles from the school when she heard about a possible shooting on the police scanner. A volunteer firefighter, Hicks is “behind the first dozen police officers,” according to John Voket, also associate editor at the weekly. This is because the Sandy Hook firehouse where Hicks is stationed shares a driveway with the school. When Hicks proceeds down the driveway she begins frantically taking photos of the scene “through the windshield of her car, with one hand on the steering wheel and one holding her camera, Voket says. One well-knonw photo featured in news coverage may have been of the first cluster of evacuating students, Voket further notes. Julie Moos, “How the Newtown Bee is Covering Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting,” Poynter.org, December 15, 2012


At approx 9:36 AM??? They are already evacuating students everything is full with police already..


9:40AM
Chris Manfredonia, alleged father of a 6-year-old Sandy Hook Elementary student, claims he is on his way to the school “to help make gingerbread houses with first-graders when he heard popping sounds and smelled sulfur.” Manfredonia runs around the facility in attempt “to reach his daughter and was briefly handcuffed by police. He later found his child, who had been locked in a small room with a teacher. ‘The whole reason we moved here a year ago is because when you drive down the subdivision, it’s a happy place,’ said his wife, Georgeann Manfredonia. “‘There’s a ton of children here and the families are very kind and supportive.’” Richard A. Serrano, Allen Semuals, Tina Susman, “Gunman Kills 20, 6 Adults at Connecticut Elementary School,” Los Angeles Times, December 14, 2012.

So apparently, still shooting at 9:40 AM, and they had already evacuated some kids?

9:40AM [estimate]
First responders initially believe there may be two gunmen and are unaware of the carnage in the school until they find 18 children and a teacher in a classroom closet, a recording of the police dispatch authenticated by police indicates. Tracy Connor, “Call For Everything: Police Scanner Recording Reveals Early Moments of Newtown Tragedy,” NBC News, December 19, 2012.




I really can't wait to the official report, I know why they don't want to release the full report yet.


I mean this is fucking crazy...

Last Edited by LadyK on 11/22/2013 12:43 AM

Also how can they say the building has been cleared at 9:53 Am and then we have this:

10:25AM :- “We got a large group coming out the front door” (4)


That's over 30 Minutes later..


Please add to the fuckery in Newtown..I'm sure I missed some keypoints.

Last Edited by LadyK on 11/22/2013 12:46 AM

9:30AM [estimate]

[link to memoryholeblog.com]

Attorney Joel T. Faxon of Newtown, who serves on the town’s five-member police commission and is a strong advocate of strengthened gun control measures, claims he is taking one of his three children to the local middle school. As he approaches the school’s front doors, he receives a text message that all the town’s schools are on lockdown. This precaution takes place on occasion because of the school’s proximity to a state prison. “I told my son, ‘Okay, something’s going on. Let’s get out of here.” Returning to his vehicle,


Faxon sees the chief of police in his official car, headed to the Sandy Hook school, and I looked at my son and I said,”‘Oh my God, there must have been a shooting.” The chief doesn’t respond to anything other than a very serious incident. Within a minute of that time, I got a news report text from the Hartford Courant, that said police were responding to incident on Dickenson Drive, and I thought, “There’s only one thing on that street. And that’s the school.”

Faxon pulls over to the side of the road. “At that point, literally 50 state police and Newtown police cars went by us, and they all went to Sandy Hook Elementary School. I knew there had been some kind of a catastrophe there,” Faxon recalls. Faxon texts Bridgeport police captain James Viadero, who he works on a the police commission with. “He was filling me in on what was happening, in real time.” As the story took shape in the news only a single death was reported.

Yet Faxon said the numbers the Viadero relayed “were just shocking.” Faxon’s other son goes to another elementary school and was at the the doctor’s office for a checkup. His daughter, a student at the high school, also in lockdown, was texting her father, “‘Daddy, what’s going on?’ I knew she was safe.” Faxon observes ambulances heading to the scene. “There were ambulances going down there [to the school], but there were no ambulances coming back to go to the hospital” with survivors, Faxon said. “Just like in 9/11, when the hospitals were all racing to be prepared for the wounded, who never arrived.” Thomas B. Scheffy, “Joel Faxon Has Been Part of the Gun Debate in His Hometown,” Connecticut Law Tribune, December 21, 2013.

Last Edited by LadyK on 11/22/2013 01:01 AM

Oh and then those:

9:34AM [estimate]

Sandy Hook Elementary School reading consultant Becky Virgalla said she was in a meeting with Principal Dawn Hochsprung, school psychologist Mary Sherlach and other colleagues when the shooter broke into the building. When they heard the commotion Hochsprung, Sherlach and lead teacher Natalie Hammond proceeded into the hall “to check out the noise that we didn’t know [were] gunshots at first,” Virgalla told Reuters Television at a December 23 Newtown memorial. “The three of them were shot and they yelled back ‘shooter, stay put.’ And they saved my life and the life of four others who were at that meeting,” Virgalla said. “Becky Virgalla, Newtown Shooting Survivor, Says Principal, Others Saved Her in Sandy Hook Rampage,” Reuters/Huffington Post, December 23, 2012.



9:34AM [estimate]

Fourth grate teacher Ted Varga arrives for work at Sandy Hook. Moments later, according an the account Varga related to the New York Daily News, he and four colleagues narrowly escaped a hail of bullets. “You hear screams and gunshots, but it is still surreal,” Varga said. “This is an elementary school. … I heard someone say, ‘Oh my God.’ And then you hear shot after shot after shot.” Undaunted, Varga ran down a hallway “filled with smoke and the smell of gunpowder,” according to the press account, “to escape through an emergency exit and then returned to help three colleagues flee through a window.

An unidentified teacher hid underneath a mound of donated Christmas gifts for the needy, hoping the killer jiggling the door to the conference room would move on. “She heard heavy breathing,” Varga says. “She knew it was him. … It’s a miracle we’re alive, but it’s still such a tragedy. You’re exposed to a myriad of emotions that even now I can’t really understand.” Henrick Karoliszyn, “Five Teachers Escape Death as Massacre Rages in Newtown,” New York Daily News, December 19, 2012.




Do you see that nothing of this makes sense? Reporter Shannon Hicks as well as the police was already there at 9:36 AM. To see how the streets looked at that time see picture here:

Photo of Shannon Hicks Newtownbee

[link to media.knoxnews.com]



and the Hochsprung and crime scene article where Swansong goes into detail about this:

[link to www.insanemedia.net]

[link to www.insanemedia.net]

Last Edited by LadyK on 11/22/2013 01:16 AM

LadyK74, you found a couple that I found extremely interesting, as well, and that is what prompted me to post that link!

I agree, this is why they do not want to release a report OR phone calls!

Quoting:

“She heard heavy breathing,” Varga says. “She knew it was him. …"

LMAO that has to be one of the most ridiculous statements in this whole affair and that's saying something!

You know we parse all these stories and show they dont add up but and still they stay with the 5 minute story. Why?

Who knows. It was a drill.

Varga's account is yet another which has the shooting starting just after he arrives at school.

School starts at 9:05 a.m. If he's not getting there until 9:30, he's pretty damn late.

Most teachers--and secretaries, and teaching assistants--arrive BEFORE class, not after it's started.

Notice how many of these individuals had just arrived "at 9:30" when the shooting "began?"

500 students; its an elementary school; some are gonna be late

This Courant article says cops parked 1/4 mile away and approached the school on foot.

[link to www.courant.com]

Just by reading the comments section people want the truth. No cover up.

Shills, did they follow protocol? LOL

Article also says state and local police entered the school together. State police offices are 7min away...NPD offices are less than 2min away. Why wait for state police?

Dispatch records indicate the first 911 call came in just before 9:36 and the first officer arrived at the school at about 9:37:30. The dispatch tapes indicate there were officers in the school at 9:44, but don't make clear exactly when the first officer entered.

Parts of the timeline are expected to be included in Danbury State's Attorney Stephen Sedensky's report that is scheduled to be issued on Nov. 25. Sedensky met with families last week to allow them to review a draft of his final report.

One family member who requested anonymity said the report did include a timeline and that Sedensky told them during the meeting state police and Newtown officers entered the building simultaneously.



Of course he did...., Hey guys, I was up all night. I was all over the scanner feeds.

There were parts, that I completely overlooked back then. Thanks to the SH Investigation team or whoever contributed to that spreadsheet. Some parts of it had times missing, but I used several timelines to check on certain audio from the feed and was able to match it up.

I will post what I have in a little while, we already knew this, but you always have that doubt in your mind. Well, there is no doubt. The scanner feeds don't lie. I can show you exactly why Sedensky is so worried.

They had no idea that the scanner feeds are public access, little did they know, not only was it broadcasted, no it is all archived....I'll be back in an hour or so, gotta make some final edits.



Last Edited by LadyK on 11/22/2013 05:50 PM

Can't wait, LadyK74!

There's a complete transcript of the first two hours or so here:

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CSP transmissions are also entered, up through the purple van report.

Newtown transcript covers 9:17 a.m. through 11:28 a.m. (the bit about Manfredonia at 12:30 is there, too).

I should say that the Newtown transcript is complete; CSP is relevant bits only. The CSP feed includes multiple stations that were broadcasting unrelated traffic; that is not included.

I don't think NPD waited significantly. Two minutes is a damn good response time.

This is the first few minutes after dispatch (NPD):

9:36:01 Dispatch: "67, Sandy Hook School; caller's indicating she thinks there's someone shooting in the building."

9:36:27 Male: "95, [?] we're going."

9:36:30 Male: "Roger."

9:36:34 Male (S6): "S6 enroute."

9:36:37 Female: "[…]."

9:36:45 Male (Nute): “Units responding...units responding to Sandy Hook School, the front glass has been broken out of the school; they're unsure why.”

9:37:01 Male (95), sirens: “95, I'm […].” ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​

9:37:23 Dispatch: "Alright, all units: the…[man in background: "…out the door!"]...individual that I have on the phone is continuing to hear what he believes to be gunfire."

9:37:38 Male (S6): "S6: 95, 6[7], [I want you to] come up to the school [on] Crestwood Road; other units take up a station point in the driveway."

9:37:50 Male (95): "95, roger."

9:37:54 Male: "Copy. [?]."

9:38:22 Dispatch (Nute): "All units responding to Sandy Hook School at this time, the shooting appears to have stopped; it is silent at this time. The school is in lockdown."

9:38:49 Male: "67, [S6] en route [?]."

9:38:56 Male (S6): "Roger that, we'll stage up here in the front, we'll go from there."

9:39:07 Dispatch: “67, you're on Crestwood...Crestwood?"

9:39:11 Male (67), breathless: "Roger"

9:39:13 Dispatch (Nute): "Okay I have reports that the teacher saw two shadows running past the building, past the gym, which would be [...] rear..."

9:39:22 Dispatch (Nute): "Alright, they s[till hear] shooting."

9:39:31 Male, breathless: "Yeah, we got 'em."

9:39:32 Male, excited: "They're comin' at me, down Crestwood!"

9:39:41 Male, excited: "Come up the driveway to the left side!"

LadyK, please be warned that the spreadsheet on the Sandy Hook Investigation Team website is old - many corrections have been made since then. The spreadsheet that old one is derived from is available here, in updated form:

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Very important additional info has been added, too, such as the name/number of the unit (when known).

So when Kullgren says, "We'll stage up here at the front," that doesn't sound at all to me like someone who is up on the road to the firehouse. He says, "...up here in the front."

That means that literally 2 minutes and 55 seconds from initial dispatch, the commander at that time is standing in front of the school.

How is that waiting?

The Courant is deleting all or most comments on SH articles.

I wonder if they know that all of the information I'm posting is public and has been from day one.

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Remember in the FOI meeting the one woman asked who responded first and Sedensky and the Newtown lawyer said that Troop A ( that is STATE POLICE ) was right next to the school so they responded right away.

This told me that state was there as the same time if not before so this whole ruse about Newtown police waiting is a non-issue.