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Anonymous Coward User ID: 46805758 United States 11/23/2013 07:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | YOU are not dishonest I am sure. I am saying what is revealed in the video is not an accurate depiction of the nuscleus. is that the same as saying it's a lying baseless fraud? Of course. We are basking in the glow of genius that knows it all. Luckily enough, Astro has his own thread so hopefully she meanders over there for the shilercle jerk of the century! Uncle Fuck Stick has a new thread too. |
green_girl User ID: 49871189 Canada 11/23/2013 07:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: green_girl fine. the image does not display what everyone here isclaiming it does, then. Is that a better way to phrase it? what does the image show green girl?! you even have to admit, this explains why ISONs coma was so huge, when it was so far from the sun. and explains the 'comet of the century' tag line nasa gave it well, what i am trying to say is that the image shows nothing. It is not peering through the coma to see the nucleus. So basically it can tell us nothing. If the nucleus is one km or 1000 km, we cannot tell from this picture. that is all i am saying. ok i get it, your comenting on scale it gives a definition between the coma and nucleus and gives us an insight to there not being a dramatic size diffrence between the two no, I dont think that is an accurate statement. The outer coma is not white, so it is easy to strip that away with a filter or two, but as it begins to get even a bit denser, it just becomes white. as we begin to get in closer to the nucleus - well, we can't get any whiter, can we? So when we try to peel away more layers, we get to a point where there is nothing left to peel back - as far as the computer is concerned, it is just a blob of white. It will treat it as a solid object, even if the nucleus is just a tiny speck in the middle. :malefav: I love this place!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 50292182 United States 11/23/2013 07:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If the nucleus is actually as large as everyone is speculating, as large as jupiter or larger, what kind of gravitational influence would one suppose it has? Quoting: Tantalus I have done a lot of research on planet x, or nibiru, or what have you, and one of the main points that I find repeatedly used by debunkers is that an object as large as a brown dwarf, or another Jupiter sized planet coming through the inner solar system would seriously disrupt the orbital patterns of the planets. If ISONs nucleus is really as large as Jupiter, and a solid mass, it would have to have insane gravitational influence. What do you guys think? From what little I have been able to ascertain, I think the main effect of comet Ison is the electrical properties of it. While credible scientists(which basically bars anyone who works for NASA) have concurred that there is some body that is causing perturbations of the bodies of our solar system. This has been noted for many years now. As far as the size of the comet itself, I don't think is as important as its influence on the sun. Not sure if you're aware of it, but this thing is undergoing changes as it slingshots near the sun. It was hit by an X flare that cause major changes.....yet it seems to be returning to its original appearance gradually... One thing is sure, the typical explanations of these "dirty snowballs" appears to be utter Bravo Sierra. |
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Flameworker (OP) User ID: 10990462 United States 11/23/2013 07:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Damn, 5 pages and a pin.. glad you liked it guys.. Thanks!! here was a vid from yesterday.. Thread: ISON FROM EARTH : Teide observatory, Canary Islands MORE FIRE!!!... and sling it while it's hot.!! Ass, gas, or grass, nobody rides for free.! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 48071715 Canada 11/23/2013 08:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Damn, 5 pages and a pin.. glad you liked it guys.. Thanks!! here was a vid from yesterday.. Quoting: Flameworker Thread: ISON FROM EARTH : Teide observatory, Canary Islands Its a great thread! Thanks so much for posting! |
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Shadow Beam User ID: 50479717 New Zealand 11/23/2013 08:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Shadow Beam what does the image show green girl?! you even have to admit, this explains why ISONs coma was so huge, when it was so far from the sun. and explains the 'comet of the century' tag line nasa gave it well, what i am trying to say is that the image shows nothing. It is not peering through the coma to see the nucleus. So basically it can tell us nothing. If the nucleus is one km or 1000 km, we cannot tell from this picture. that is all i am saying. ok i get it, your comenting on scale it gives a definition between the coma and nucleus and gives us an insight to there not being a dramatic size diffrence between the two no, I dont think that is an accurate statement. The outer coma is not white, so it is easy to strip that away with a filter or two, but as it begins to get even a bit denser, it just becomes white. as we begin to get in closer to the nucleus - well, we can't get any whiter, can we? So when we try to peel away more layers, we get to a point where there is nothing left to peel back - as far as the computer is concerned, it is just a blob of white. It will treat it as a solid object, even if the nucleus is just a tiny speck in the middle. huh? hehe a computor can designate any colour to a coma or nucleus. it can strip an infinate amount of layers till the objects gone. neither the colour of ISON or density....is white what do you mean? |
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Flameworker (OP) User ID: 10990462 United States 11/23/2013 08:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Damn, 5 pages and a pin.. glad you liked it guys.. Thanks!! here was a vid from yesterday.. Quoting: Flameworker Thread: ISON FROM EARTH : Teide observatory, Canary Islands Its a great thread! Thanks so much for posting! You're welcome :) MORE FIRE!!!... and sling it while it's hot.!! Ass, gas, or grass, nobody rides for free.! |
green_girl User ID: 49871189 Canada 11/23/2013 08:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: green_girl well, what i am trying to say is that the image shows nothing. It is not peering through the coma to see the nucleus. So basically it can tell us nothing. If the nucleus is one km or 1000 km, we cannot tell from this picture. that is all i am saying. ok i get it, your comenting on scale it gives a definition between the coma and nucleus and gives us an insight to there not being a dramatic size diffrence between the two no, I dont think that is an accurate statement. The outer coma is not white, so it is easy to strip that away with a filter or two, but as it begins to get even a bit denser, it just becomes white. as we begin to get in closer to the nucleus - well, we can't get any whiter, can we? So when we try to peel away more layers, we get to a point where there is nothing left to peel back - as far as the computer is concerned, it is just a blob of white. It will treat it as a solid object, even if the nucleus is just a tiny speck in the middle. huh? hehe a computor can designate any colour to a coma or nucleus. it can strip an infinate amount of layers till the objects gone. neither the colour of ISON or density....is white what do you mean? this is just a jpeg. there are no layers. and yes the majority of the coma in this jpeg i question is practically white, with almost no variation. I took it into photoshop and colour sampled. I also am not going to keep arguing a point. I gave my feedback based on what i know of years working with photoshop. If you dont believe me, then try to take a pic of a very bright light bulb. then go into photoshop, make sure it is jpeg, and not raw. Now peel back "the layers" of the light until you only have left a small, glowing filament wire from inside the bulb. Odds are you cant, because photoshop can only see the halo of light that the filament created. but anyway at this point i cant explain it any clearer so no point wasting more of my time on it. If you prefer to believe the nucleus is as big as the blob in the vid, go nuts. :malefav: I love this place!! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 48115042 United States 11/23/2013 08:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | interesting vid, flameworker! Thanks for the great thread. Quoting: green_girl My only thought on this is what image was used and by who to run the filters, and in what program. OK - that is a lot of questions. If it a screen shot in photoshop, then the filters mean absolutely nothing. A full res pic, meh, though if it was raw we would be getting closer to seeing what could really be there. But not in phtoshop. The filters in photoshop really are only designed to mimic certain effects. They can reveal some things, if a shot is slightly overexposed for instance, but to take the original shot, all photoshop can do is mess with pixels in a desperate attempt to guess what you are looking for. It would be interesting to know more about the source of the image file itself, and what program was used to make the manipulations. Oh really.... I guess Adobe has added artificial Intelligence to Photoshop... now it can get "desperate" when it "messes" with pixels. ...can you say that in adult? |
Shadow Beam User ID: 50479717 New Zealand 11/23/2013 08:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Shadow Beam ok i get it, your comenting on scale it gives a definition between the coma and nucleus and gives us an insight to there not being a dramatic size diffrence between the two no, I dont think that is an accurate statement. The outer coma is not white, so it is easy to strip that away with a filter or two, but as it begins to get even a bit denser, it just becomes white. as we begin to get in closer to the nucleus - well, we can't get any whiter, can we? So when we try to peel away more layers, we get to a point where there is nothing left to peel back - as far as the computer is concerned, it is just a blob of white. It will treat it as a solid object, even if the nucleus is just a tiny speck in the middle. huh? hehe a computor can designate any colour to a coma or nucleus. it can strip an infinate amount of layers till the objects gone. neither the colour of ISON or density....is white what do you mean? this is just a jpeg. there are no layers. and yes the majority of the coma in this jpeg i question is practically white, with almost no variation. I took it into photoshop and colour sampled. I also am not going to keep arguing a point. I gave my feedback based on what i know of years working with photoshop. If you dont believe me, then try to take a pic of a very bright light bulb. then go into photoshop, make sure it is jpeg, and not raw. Now peel back "the layers" of the light until you only have left a small, glowing filament wire from inside the bulb. Odds are you cant, because photoshop can only see the halo of light that the filament created. but anyway at this point i cant explain it any clearer so no point wasting more of my time on it. If you prefer to believe the nucleus is as big as the blob in the vid, go nuts. ok so why isnt the center of ison in the image filled with white? the same effect with a lightbulb SHOLD be seen however ISON is not a source its akin to a mirror i get what your saying, but you just giveing credit to the image by saying yhe coma will appear white its clearly dark in the picture |
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Flameworker (OP) User ID: 10990462 United States 11/23/2013 08:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Shadow Beam ok i get it, your comenting on scale it gives a definition between the coma and nucleus and gives us an insight to there not being a dramatic size diffrence between the two no, I dont think that is an accurate statement. The outer coma is not white, so it is easy to strip that away with a filter or two, but as it begins to get even a bit denser, it just becomes white. as we begin to get in closer to the nucleus - well, we can't get any whiter, can we? So when we try to peel away more layers, we get to a point where there is nothing left to peel back - as far as the computer is concerned, it is just a blob of white. It will treat it as a solid object, even if the nucleus is just a tiny speck in the middle. huh? hehe a computor can designate any colour to a coma or nucleus. it can strip an infinate amount of layers till the objects gone. neither the colour of ISON or density....is white what do you mean? this is just a jpeg. there are no layers. and yes the majority of the coma in this jpeg i question is practically white, with almost no variation. I took it into photoshop and colour sampled. I also am not going to keep arguing a point. I gave my feedback based on what i know of years working with photoshop. If you dont believe me, then try to take a pic of a very bright light bulb. then go into photoshop, make sure it is jpeg, and not raw. Now peel back "the layers" of the light until you only have left a small, glowing filament wire from inside the bulb. Odds are you cant, because photoshop can only see the halo of light that the filament created. but anyway at this point i cant explain it any clearer so no point wasting more of my time on it. If you prefer to believe the nucleus is as big as the blob in the vid, go nuts. Awesome GG, thanks for breakin it down. MORE FIRE!!!... and sling it while it's hot.!! Ass, gas, or grass, nobody rides for free.! |
green_girl User ID: 49871189 Canada 11/23/2013 08:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: green_girl no, I dont think that is an accurate statement. The outer coma is not white, so it is easy to strip that away with a filter or two, but as it begins to get even a bit denser, it just becomes white. as we begin to get in closer to the nucleus - well, we can't get any whiter, can we? So when we try to peel away more layers, we get to a point where there is nothing left to peel back - as far as the computer is concerned, it is just a blob of white. It will treat it as a solid object, even if the nucleus is just a tiny speck in the middle. huh? hehe a computor can designate any colour to a coma or nucleus. it can strip an infinate amount of layers till the objects gone. neither the colour of ISON or density....is white what do you mean? this is just a jpeg. there are no layers. and yes the majority of the coma in this jpeg i question is practically white, with almost no variation. I took it into photoshop and colour sampled. I also am not going to keep arguing a point. I gave my feedback based on what i know of years working with photoshop. If you dont believe me, then try to take a pic of a very bright light bulb. then go into photoshop, make sure it is jpeg, and not raw. Now peel back "the layers" of the light until you only have left a small, glowing filament wire from inside the bulb. Odds are you cant, because photoshop can only see the halo of light that the filament created. but anyway at this point i cant explain it any clearer so no point wasting more of my time on it. If you prefer to believe the nucleus is as big as the blob in the vid, go nuts. ok so why isnt the center of ison in the image filled with white? the same effect with a lightbulb SHOLD be seen however ISON is not a source its akin to a mirror i get what your saying, but you just giveing credit to the image by saying yhe coma will appear white its clearly dark in the picture that is just more filters. edge dettecton or posterization or something similar. it picks up the very minute differences in the shades of white and gives them edges. also in a jpeg, it doesnt make a difference if you photograph the light or the light in a mirror reflecting the light, the basic premise is the same. the pixels are about as white as you can get and there is no distinction between coma and nucleus for photoshop to be able to strip one away and leave the other. :malefav: I love this place!! |
green_girl User ID: 49871189 Canada 11/23/2013 08:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | actually i layered many versions of the same close-up with varying levels of contrast/brightness. so layers of a sort, yes. yes, but not the kind of layers that would allow you to strip away the coma and leave the nucleus. layering the same jpeg in top of itself does not give new information to photoshop. If it isnt in one layer, it isnt in a hundred layers. :malefav: I love this place!! |
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Reality420 User ID: 19757918 United States 11/23/2013 08:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Comet ISON Taken by Fritz Helmut Hemmerich on November 22, 2013 @ Tenerife, Canary Island. close-up, fliters. Quoting: Flameworker Read more at [link to www.liveleak.com] Ah, the Wiolawa method of astro-imaging. The great astro-imaging expert kiuhy8 "borrowed" some poor sap's ISON image. kiuhy8, being a 12 year old with an IQ of 70 and access to Photoshop then proceeds to horribly mutilate the image in Photoshop with "close-up, fliters(sic), layering by me." kiuhy8, being an arrogant ignoramus, doesn't realise that they are not generating any new information, just degrading and destroying what information is there. Tards on GLP start foaming at the mouth and drooling since the heavily Photoshopped image by a tard shows a large blob which they are convinced is the nucleus of the comet. "Truth seekers" embrace and defend the outrageously Photoshopped images because if any mainstream source Photoshopped an image this heavily they'd accept and defend it also (/sarcasm). Hilarity ensues. Search user "Wio" and "Wiolawa" and "Chia" to get an idea of how this game is played. Tards, giving sane people a laugh since the beginning of time. R. kOOks lie. Constantly. It's part of the job description. Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. — Thomas Jefferson Nothing is more terrible than to see ignorance in action. — Johann Wolfgang von Goethe |
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