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An Ohio family says a man took their home from them by going inside while they were out of town, changing the locks and laying claim to the property in court.

The family told WLWT-TV that they found out after returning from a visit to a dying relative that Robert Carr had filed “quiet title” documents after the family abandoned their home of 21 years.

“What he’s looking for is full title and ownership of the home,” said the family’s attorney, Alison Warner.

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wow....racecard played

The antigovernment movement has grown in recent years and is rooted in the anti-Semitic, anti-black and anti-tax Posse Comitatus movement of the 1970s and 1980s.

Most recent recruits to the sovereign citizens movement found themselves in desperate situations, often due to the economy or foreclosure, and are drawn to the idea of easy money or living free of legal consequences.

Many self-identified sovereign citizens are black and are unaware of the racist history of the movement.


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Only a black man would figure out how to use the sovereign movement, not to be free, but to steal more effectively.
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There are 'Sovereigns' of all color. The media is scared because everyone is attracted to learning their rights and being free.

I just started learning about this stuff a few months ago and I can see why these idiots are scared of people learning the truth.

Sheer propaganda from leftist socialist media. It's actually getting pathetic, is there any group these people haven't called 'extremists' yet?

BTW, I love how they always find 'one' moron and blow it up in their media as 'representative' of a group of people.

I guess if we go by those standards, everyone that is attracted to 'Law Enforcement' is a dog murdering, steroid using psychopath alcholic who beats his wife.

Am I wrong?
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Escort the fucker out the front door with a shotgun pointed at his dick.
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maybe they should go to Detroit and move into houses there
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When the govt calls us their enemy, is it hard to believe that some people believe the govt? NSA spying? How about that?

Who is the government?

Does a person who is locked up in prison think that he is part of the prison system that is detaining him?

The US government is something completely different from the people who live in the US.
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The are so those of the SC movement and also FTOL movement who have attacked those they either don't like or those who merely disagree with them or for whatever reason suits their whimsey .

The attacks are carried out in the form of filing fraudulent liens against them. They are fraudulent but it's up to you through many hours and $$$ to prove so. They know this of course and that's the purpose.

If you let them know your address, job, ot other personal info they try to discover your identity and proceed to harass you or worse. Identity theft etc.


Much of the personal info they do use is from info one provides in ordering information from them.


Be AWAKE and AWARE.


Ftr....Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols were both associated with the Sovereign Citizens movement.
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The are so those of the SC movement and also FTOL movement who have attacked those they either don't like or those who merely disagree with them or for whatever reason suits their whimsey .

The attacks are carried out in the form of filing fraudulent liens against them. They are fraudulent but it's up to you through many hours and $$$ to prove so. They know this of course and that's the purpose.

If you let them know your address, job, ot other personal info they try to discover your identity and proceed to harass you or worse. Identity theft etc.


Much of the personal info they do use is from info one provides in ordering information from them.


Be AWAKE and AWARE.


Ftr....Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols were both associated with the Sovereign Citizens movement.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50608907


norespect

Lol yea ok buddy.

See that's all they use, scare tactics.

So all 'Sovereigns' are con-artists and terrorists eh?

I guess that makes all cops Child Molesters then:

www.ajc.com/news/news/local/dekalb-cop-arrested-on-child-mole​station-charge/nbW3m/

A DeKalb County police officer was accused Thursday of showing a 13-year-old pornography and trying to undress her.

Eighteen-year police veteran Manuel Williams was arrested Wednesday and charged with child molestation, police said.


BEWARE GENERAL PUBLIC! ALL 'Police Officers' are child molesters, do not trust your children around them!
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There are 'Sovereigns' of all color. The media is scared because everyone is attracted to learning their rights and being free.

I just started learning about this stuff a few months ago and I can see why these idiots are scared of people learning the truth.

Sheer propaganda from leftist socialist media. It's actually getting pathetic, is there any group these people haven't called 'extremists' yet?

BTW, I love how they always find 'one' moron and blow it up in their media as 'representative' of a group of people.

I guess if we go by those standards, everyone that is attracted to 'Law Enforcement' is a dog murdering, steroid using psychopath alcholic who beats his wife.

Am I wrong?
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The are so those of the SC movement and also FTOL movement who have attacked those they either don't like or those who merely disagree with them or for whatever reason suits their whimsey .

The attacks are carried out in the form of filing fraudulent liens against them. They are fraudulent but it's up to you through many hours and $$$ to prove so. They know this of course and that's the purpose.

If you let them know your address, job, ot other personal info they try to discover your identity and proceed to harass you or worse. Identity theft etc.


Much of the personal info they do use is from info one provides in ordering information from them.


Be AWAKE and AWARE.


Ftr....Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols were both associated with the Sovereign Citizens movement.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50608907


norespect

Lol yea ok buddy.

See that's all they use, scare tactics.

So all 'Sovereigns' are con-artists and terrorists eh?

I guess that makes all cops Child Molesters then:

www.ajc.com/news/news/local/dekalb-cop-arrested-on-child-mole​station-charge/nbW3m/

A DeKalb County police officer was accused Thursday of showing a 13-year-old pornography and trying to undress her.

Eighteen-year police veteran Manuel Williams was arrested Wednesday and charged with child molestation, police said.


BEWARE GENERAL PUBLIC! ALL 'Police Officers' are child molesters, do not trust your children around them!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13601778

No it doesn't make all SC's violent . However SC's have targeted policemen and their families.
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The are so those of the SC movement and also FTOL movement who have attacked those they either don't like or those who merely disagree with them or for whatever reason suits their whimsey .

The attacks are carried out in the form of filing fraudulent liens against them. They are fraudulent but it's up to you through many hours and $$$ to prove so. They know this of course and that's the purpose.

If you let them know your address, job, ot other personal info they try to discover your identity and proceed to harass you or worse. Identity theft etc.


Much of the personal info they do use is from info one provides in ordering information from them.


Be AWAKE and AWARE.


Ftr....Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols were both associated with the Sovereign Citizens movement.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50608907


norespect

Lol yea ok buddy.

See that's all they use, scare tactics.

So all 'Sovereigns' are con-artists and terrorists eh?

I guess that makes all cops Child Molesters then:

www.ajc.com/news/news/local/dekalb-cop-arrested-on-child-mole​station-charge/nbW3m/

A DeKalb County police officer was accused Thursday of showing a 13-year-old pornography and trying to undress her.

Eighteen-year police veteran Manuel Williams was arrested Wednesday and charged with child molestation, police said.


BEWARE GENERAL PUBLIC! ALL 'Police Officers' are child molesters, do not trust your children around them!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13601778

No it doesn't make all SC's violent . However SC's have targeted policemen and their families.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50608907


Police Officers target Dogs, Pedestrians, Wives, Children, etc. Seems like no-one is safe around them.

They seem to especially have an itch for dogs though.

Why is that?
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There are 'Sovereigns' of all color. The media is scared because everyone is attracted to learning their rights and being free.

I just started learning about this stuff a few months ago and I can see why these idiots are scared of people learning the truth.

Sheer propaganda from leftist socialist media. It's actually getting pathetic, is there any group these people haven't called 'extremists' yet?

BTW, I love how they always find 'one' moron and blow it up in their media as 'representative' of a group of people.

I guess if we go by those standards, everyone that is attracted to 'Law Enforcement' is a dog murdering, steroid using psychopath alcholic who beats his wife.

Am I wrong?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13601778


No one should have to come home, after visiting a dying relative, to find that some dirtbag using the Sovereign movement to their own ends has stolen their home. If that man were truly what he claims, he would not be stealing that families home. Let him go claim a truly abandoned house, the banks have so many on their books, maybe they won't mind sharing?
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Only a black man would figure out how to use the sovereign movement, not to be free, but to steal more effectively.
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Sorry genius, you're wrong. Most "sovereigns" are white. Also, the black and white sovereigns don't get along... there are actually somewhere between 5 and 8 different "sovereign citizen movements" around the country, depending on who you talk to. Their beliefs and philosophy are all similar, but differ in either A) the particulars of the root or method of their claims to "sovereignty" and thus "free action", and/or B) their methods of scamming the public and/or recruiting new members.

It's all very odd, IMHO. Suffice to say that, at least in my area (Carolinas) most of the S/C organizations are actually criminal enterprises which systematically perpetrate fraud against property owners.

Their favorite game around here are the "We Buy Houses" signs. They fish for people under threat of foreclosure, and offer to "buy" the house from them to stop the foreclosure action. What actually happens is that they "get paper" on the house from the owner, and then wait until after the foreclosure goes through, then make claims against the property... some will be fraudulent "repair liens", some will be outright claims of lawful transfer of title, some will be "accident" claims agains the bank's insurance, etc.

It's big business, and it's growing, too. The S/C group in our area has their own cadre of lawyers, and they are becoming well known for "winning" cases in very unorthodox ways...

I'm not saying there's no legitimate foundation to the philosophy or lawful precedent of any given S/C group... there may actually be a case or two where the foundations are legit (though certainly not all).

I AM saying that all the larger groups have attracted and are presently run by some pretty hardcore criminals, and that I wouldn't get involved with any of them, for your own safety. Period.
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There are 'Sovereigns' of all color. The media is scared because everyone is attracted to learning their rights and being free.

I just started learning about this stuff a few months ago and I can see why these idiots are scared of people learning the truth.

Sheer propaganda from leftist socialist media. It's actually getting pathetic, is there any group these people haven't called 'extremists' yet?

BTW, I love how they always find 'one' moron and blow it up in their media as 'representative' of a group of people.

I guess if we go by those standards, everyone that is attracted to 'Law Enforcement' is a dog murdering, steroid using psychopath alcholic who beats his wife.

Am I wrong?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13601778


No one should have to come home, after visiting a dying relative, to find that some dirtbag using the Sovereign movement to their own ends has stolen their home. If that man were truly what he claims, he would not be stealing that families home. Let him go claim a truly abandoned house, the banks have so many on their books, maybe they won't mind sharing?
 Quoting: Vic-chick13


Let's be honest here. I'm sure this media propaganda is exaggerated to include 'Sovereigns'. This moron probably watched a few youtube videos and called himself 'Sovereign'.

There is no 'group' of Sovereigns. It's simply people who study law.

If this man is a piece of crap, then I support Common-Law remedy. That means the family has every right to use the Common-Law to evict this piece of crap from their home & seek damages.

Face it, by using their corporations fake courts(the ones you go to) the family will never get justice, because they are corrupt.

That's the entire point of the Sovereigns, to RESTORE Law & Order, not abandon it!

This guy was just a con-artist, and it's a sad attempt by the media to link him to a 'group'. Period.
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Only a black man would figure out how to use the sovereign movement, not to be free, but to steal more effectively.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50568337


Sorry genius, you're wrong. Most "sovereigns" are white. Also, the black and white sovereigns don't get along... there are actually somewhere between 5 and 8 different "sovereign citizen movements" around the country, depending on who you talk to. Their beliefs and philosophy are all similar, but differ in either A) the particulars of the root or method of their claims to "sovereignty" and thus "free action", and/or B) their methods of scamming the public and/or recruiting new members.

It's all very odd, IMHO. Suffice to say that, at least in my area (Carolinas) most of the S/C organizations are actually criminal enterprises which systematically perpetrate fraud against property owners.

Their favorite game around here are the "We Buy Houses" signs. They fish for people under threat of foreclosure, and offer to "buy" the house from them to stop the foreclosure action. What actually happens is that they "get paper" on the house from the owner, and then wait until after the foreclosure goes through, then make claims against the property... some will be fraudulent "repair liens", some will be outright claims of lawful transfer of title, some will be "accident" claims agains the bank's insurance, etc.

It's big business, and it's growing, too. The S/C group in our area has their own cadre of lawyers, and they are becoming well known for "winning" cases in very unorthodox ways...

I'm not saying there's no legitimate foundation to the philosophy or lawful precedent of any given S/C group... there may actually be a case or two where the foundations are legit (though certainly not all).

I AM saying that all the larger groups have attracted and are presently run by some pretty hardcore criminals, and that I wouldn't get involved with any of them, for your own safety. Period.
 Quoting: BattlesightZero


I don't plan on getting involved in 'any' group, but why are you try trying to scare people off from learning the law and studying their rights?

That's all the Sovereign movement promotes. If a few con-men are studying Law to use it to con you...well they sound more like ATTORNEYS then Sovereigns to me.
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The concept of a sovereign citizen originated in the Posse Comitatus movement.

The Posse Comitatus movement was born of the Silver Shirts . The Silver Shirts were Nazi sympathizers who actually built a "castle" for Hitler to reside in California.
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Change title to "'Sovereign citizen' looks to get himself killed by breaking into people's houses with intent to 'legally' steal them".

Stupid.

Someone is going to break into their own home and blast him or people like him and claim self defense.
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The concept of a sovereign citizen originated in the Posse Comitatus movement.

The Posse Comitatus movement was born of the Silver Shirts . The Silver Shirts were Nazi sympathizers who actually built a "castle" for Hitler to reside in California.
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Lol, look at officer 50608907 throwing his propaganda out again.

The 'Police' officers of today originated in the cult of the Roman Inquisition.

Do you know that?

They used to torture people, throw them in cages, stuff them in dungeons, starve them, etc.

Oh wait...it sounds like nothing has changed.
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Only a black man would figure out how to use the sovereign movement, not to be free, but to steal more effectively.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50568337


Sorry genius, you're wrong. Most "sovereigns" are white. Also, the black and white sovereigns don't get along... there are actually somewhere between 5 and 8 different "sovereign citizen movements" around the country, depending on who you talk to. Their beliefs and philosophy are all similar, but differ in either A) the particulars of the root or method of their claims to "sovereignty" and thus "free action", and/or B) their methods of scamming the public and/or recruiting new members.

It's all very odd, IMHO. Suffice to say that, at least in my area (Carolinas) most of the S/C organizations are actually criminal enterprises which systematically perpetrate fraud against property owners.

Their favorite game around here are the "We Buy Houses" signs. They fish for people under threat of foreclosure, and offer to "buy" the house from them to stop the foreclosure action. What actually happens is that they "get paper" on the house from the owner, and then wait until after the foreclosure goes through, then make claims against the property... some will be fraudulent "repair liens", some will be outright claims of lawful transfer of title, some will be "accident" claims agains the bank's insurance, etc.

It's big business, and it's growing, too. The S/C group in our area has their own cadre of lawyers, and they are becoming well known for "winning" cases in very unorthodox ways...

I'm not saying there's no legitimate foundation to the philosophy or lawful precedent of any given S/C group... there may actually be a case or two where the foundations are legit (though certainly not all).

I AM saying that all the larger groups have attracted and are presently run by some pretty hardcore criminals, and that I wouldn't get involved with any of them, for your own safety. Period.
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I remember when the Republic of Texas (Texas sovereign citizen movement) started filing false deeds and liens around the state in the late 80's early 90's took months to clean up the county deed records in many areas...

That was one of the things that finally got that idiot killed...no mourned for him much.

I don't begrudge the Sovereign Citizens thing, but it doesn't give you a license to steal. Where I come from all that type of shit will get you is some air holes put in you and a dose of hot lead to fill them...
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11/26/2013 10:26 AM
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Why isn't he being arrested for breaking and entering? I would grab him by his scrawny neck and toss him out into the street, WTF?
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11/26/2013 10:27 AM
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The concept of a sovereign citizen originated in the Posse Comitatus movement.

The Posse Comitatus movement was born of the Silver Shirts . The Silver Shirts were Nazi sympathizers who actually built a "castle" for Hitler to reside in California.
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Lol, look at officer 50608907 throwing his propaganda out again.

The 'Police' officers of today originated in the cult of the Roman Inquisition.

Do you know that?

They used to torture people, throw them in cages, stuff them in dungeons, starve them, etc.

Oh wait...it sounds like nothing has changed.
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I'm not an officer and its the truth.

Hitler intended to use the complex as his hub of operations for Nazi-controlled North America – assuming his brand of fascism would take over the world, including the United States.
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11/26/2013 10:29 AM
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The concept of a sovereign citizen originated in the Posse Comitatus movement.

The Posse Comitatus movement was born of the Silver Shirts . The Silver Shirts were Nazi sympathizers who actually built a "castle" for Hitler to reside in California.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50608907


Lol, look at officer 50608907 throwing his propaganda out again.

The 'Police' officers of today originated in the cult of the Roman Inquisition.

Do you know that?

They used to torture people, throw them in cages, stuff them in dungeons, starve them, etc.

Oh wait...it sounds like nothing has changed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13601778


I'm not an officer and its the truth.

Hitler intended to use the complex as his hub of operations for Nazi-controlled North America – assuming his brand of fascism would take over the world, including the United States.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50608907


What the hell are you talking about idiot? Your country is facist, and it has been since the Civil War.

EVERY court, county, police dept and State are CORPORATIONS that are listed on Dun & Bradstreet with their own DUNS number.

Lmao, are you seriously this stupid/
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11/26/2013 10:29 AM
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The concept of a sovereign citizen originated in the Posse Comitatus movement.

The Posse Comitatus movement was born of the Silver Shirts . The Silver Shirts were Nazi sympathizers who actually built a "castle" for Hitler to reside in California.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50608907


Lol, look at officer 50608907 throwing his propaganda out again.

The 'Police' officers of today originated in the cult of the Roman Inquisition.

Do you know that?

They used to torture people, throw them in cages, stuff them in dungeons, starve them, etc.

Oh wait...it sounds like nothing has changed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13601778


I'm not an officer and its the truth.

Hitler intended to use the complex as his hub of operations for Nazi-controlled North America – assuming his brand of fascism would take over the world, including the United States.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50608907


The self-sufficient complex had its own “diesel power plant, 375,000 gallon concrete water tank, giant meat locker, 22 bedrooms and [. . .] a bomb shelter,” and a planned “five libraries, a swimming pool, several dining rooms, and a gymnasium.” At the cost of $4 million (about $65 million in today’s dollars), the Fuhrer would be able to live like the king he aspired to be.
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11/26/2013 10:30 AM

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I know someone in Maryland who, due to an illness moved out of a house for several months. He returned to find someone else living there. He could not evict them as trespassers. Instead he has to go to court and evict them as if they rented the property and have not paid rent. These people get to live there free and destroy the house in the process. He cannot sue these people after they are forced out because they don't have anything, just live off the misfortune of others. This is an abuse of renters rights.

The country falls apart while those in power don't care.
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11/26/2013 10:31 AM
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Every American Court is listed as a FOR-PROFIT corporation on [link to www.dnb.com]

Yet this idiot COP sits and lies to the general public.

Go on people, look up your local COUNTY COURTHOUSE on D&B and see how much money they are making this year by defrauding you of your money.
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11/26/2013 10:33 AM
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The concept of a sovereign citizen originated in the Posse Comitatus movement.

The Posse Comitatus movement was born of the Silver Shirts . The Silver Shirts were Nazi sympathizers who actually built a "castle" for Hitler to reside in California.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50608907


Lol, look at officer 50608907 throwing his propaganda out again.

The 'Police' officers of today originated in the cult of the Roman Inquisition.

Do you know that?

They used to torture people, throw them in cages, stuff them in dungeons, starve them, etc.

Oh wait...it sounds like nothing has changed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13601778


I'm not an officer and its the truth.

Hitler intended to use the complex as his hub of operations for Nazi-controlled North America – assuming his brand of fascism would take over the world, including the United States.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50608907


The self-sufficient complex had its own “diesel power plant, 375,000 gallon concrete water tank, giant meat locker, 22 bedrooms and [. . .] a bomb shelter,” and a planned “five libraries, a swimming pool, several dining rooms, and a gymnasium.” At the cost of $4 million (about $65 million in today’s dollars), the Fuhrer would be able to live like the king he aspired to be.
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It was called the Murphy Ranch BTW.
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11/26/2013 10:34 AM
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Every American Court is listed as a FOR-PROFIT corporation on [link to www.dnb.com]

Yet this idiot COP sits and lies to the general public.

Go on people, look up your local COUNTY COURTHOUSE on D&B and see how much money they are making this year by defrauding you of your money.
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My county courthouse isn't listed .
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11/26/2013 10:35 AM
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Lol, look at officer 50608907 throwing his propaganda out again.

The 'Police' officers of today originated in the cult of the Roman Inquisition.

Do you know that?

They used to torture people, throw them in cages, stuff them in dungeons, starve them, etc.

Oh wait...it sounds like nothing has changed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13601778


I'm not an officer and its the truth.

Hitler intended to use the complex as his hub of operations for Nazi-controlled North America – assuming his brand of fascism would take over the world, including the United States.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50608907


The self-sufficient complex had its own “diesel power plant, 375,000 gallon concrete water tank, giant meat locker, 22 bedrooms and [. . .] a bomb shelter,” and a planned “five libraries, a swimming pool, several dining rooms, and a gymnasium.” At the cost of $4 million (about $65 million in today’s dollars), the Fuhrer would be able to live like the king he aspired to be.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50608907


It was called the Murphy Ranch BTW.
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I am not a policeman or a policewoman. FTR
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11/26/2013 10:36 AM
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Every American Court is listed as a FOR-PROFIT corporation on [link to www.dnb.com]

Yet this idiot COP sits and lies to the general public.

Go on people, look up your local COUNTY COURTHOUSE on D&B and see how much money they are making this year by defrauding you of your money.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13601778


My county courthouse isn't listed .
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50608907

tard

EVERY county courthouse is listed you lying COP.

Lmao, anyone can see for themselves.

You go on though, keep slingling the B.S.!

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