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Shadow Wolves: The Al Qaeda and Native American Connection

 
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First I'd like to start with a report out of Kentucky about Islamic State of Iraq members making it to the state where they procured heavy weapons (PKM's and Anti-Aircraft Launchers) on North American soil.



Now that you've seen the news report, most will take it for face value. Simply Al Qaeda made it to the states. But there's a much darker picture with more dangerous consequences.

Over the past decade Al Qaeda has valued western members joining the ranks of terror networks abroad. However there is one specific group that they want to forge connections with that would change the very meaning and the front lines in the War on Terror. The scary thing is it's already happening and I fear there's no way to stop it and on part, we as a nation are to blame.

Before I tell you what that is, first let me show you. The following is a report about 3 members of Al Qaeda in Somalia who were from the U.S.

"An al Qaeda-affiliated group in Somalia released a video series this week that celebrates several Americans who died while waging jihad in Africa, according to a watchdog group that monitors terrorist activity.

The 39-minute video released by al-Shabaab al-Mujahideen, an al Qaeda-affiliated group in Somalia, celebrates and honors “three Americans from Minnesota who joined the group and died fighting in Somalia,” according to the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI), which first flagged the video in a report provided to the Free Beacon.

Titled “The Path to Paradise: From the Twin Cities to the Land of the Two Migrations,” the video is believed to be the first in a series of al Qaeda-produced propaganda videos praising Americans who have joined al-Shabaab.

“Two of the Minnesotans who died are of Somali origin and the third is a Native American who converted to Islam,” according to MEMRI’s report. “They came to train in Somalia in 2007-2008 and were killed in 2009.”

(con't in link)

[link to freebeacon.com]

Now there's a thread on GLP titled "The Beginning of the Great Native Insurrection"

Thread: The Beginning of the Great Native Insurrection in Canada

In the thread, it touched briefly on something that I really had to check out. Al Qaeda trying to forge connections with Native American communities. Now I'm still looking and from what I'm finding it's painting a very dark picture. However when Native Americans are compared to Al Qaeda by our governments, IT WILL NOT WORK IN OUR FAVOR!

[link to gordspoetryfactory.blogspot.ca]

I'm looking into more and will have more compiled information on the Al Qaeda Native American connections.

Bottom line and what I fear is, if this is in operation right now we're already too late because like I said, this would change the front lines of an endless war right to our front doors.
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Just finish the land bridgers off.

You act like the solution is so complicated and stress over what news organs will bleat on and on about.

Fuck narratives. Just kill your enemies until they don't exist.

Nothing is true. Everything is permitted.

Hassan i-Sabbah
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Just finish the land bridgers off.

You act like the solution is so complicated and stress over what news organs will bleat on and on about.

Fuck narratives. Just kill your enemies until they don't exist.

Nothing is true. Everything is permitted.

Hassan i-Sabbah
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Anybody with an intellectual opinion on the matter?
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Islam with its austerity and non-anthropomorphised sense of Divinity offer several qualities that appeal to Native Americans.

* Christianity -- not Islam -- was forced upon Indians by violence

* Allah is considered formless, and not as human, thus more in line with a concept of Creator or Great Spirit

* Islam simply and completely forbids the use of alcohol and other intoxicants. This is quite appealing to someone wanting a clean break from a culture of drunkenness and substance abuse.

Read the story of one woman here:

[link to www.illumemagazine.com]

This is NOT really about terrorists infiltrating Native American families. (although, in theory, it "could" be in some cases)

Islam does have a great appeal to many Native people -- and *one* way to freedom from the malaise of self-destruction in many Native communities.

Am I defending Islam?

scratching

Well, yeah, I reckon so.


As a former social worker in Central Oklahoma, I know first hand the degeneration that is pervasive in a great percentage of Native families... and can well understand the appeal of a strict system of sobriety and orderliness.

ANYTHING that can bring sobriety and orderliness into some places I have been... is a good thing.
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Islam with its austerity and non-anthropomorphised sense of Divinity offer several qualities that appeal to Native Americans.

* Christianity -- not Islam -- was forced upon Indians by violence

* Allah is considered formless, and not as human, thus more in line with a concept of Creator or Great Spirit

* Islam simply and completely forbids the use of alcohol and other intoxicants. This is quite appealing to someone wanting a clean break from a culture of drunkenness and substance abuse.

Read the story of one woman here:

[link to www.illumemagazine.com]

This is NOT really about terrorists infiltrating Native American families. (although, in theory, it "could" be in some cases)

Islam does have a great appeal to many Native people -- and *one* way to freedom from the malaise of self-destruction in many Native communities.

Am I defending Islam?

scratching

Well, yeah, I reckon so.


As a former social worker in Central Oklahoma, I know first hand the degeneration that is pervasive in a great percentage of Native families... and can well understand the appeal of a strict system of sobriety and orderliness.

ANYTHING that can bring sobriety and orderliness into some places I have been... is a good thing.
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Thanks for your insight and I couldn't agree with you more. The only question I have I suppose is about the roots of extremism. Because most of the Native communities are alienated from the rest of North America, would this not provide fertile ground for spreading extremist views of Islam?

Like that saying goes "The enemy of my enemy is our friend" and I know for a fact that most Native Americans do hold some sort of resentment of past and even present issues.
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Here's one website of and for Native American Muslims:

[link to turtleisland.muslims.tripod.com]

Seems like its mostly about reclaiming simplicity and sobriety.

Yes, I do see a real "possiblity" of radical extremists recruiting Native youth -- especially through prisons.

A disproportionately large percent of Indians are in the prison system. I could write for days about the reasons for this, but suffice it to say that a sense of alienation and a herediatry malfunction of a liver enzyme -- a glitch that turns people into alcoholics -- are to blame.

Here in Oklahoma most Native people are completely integrated into society as a whole. We do not have Reservations, or any of the problems that go with being treated as "other".

But a lot of families are rampant with alcoholism, sexual abuse and exploitation, and general criminal activity.

In prison, Natives usually stick to themselves, and are unlikely to mix in with so-called Black Muslims.

But people who "want a way out" of the whole milieu are likely to latch on to something that give orderliness and sobriety. Islam does do that.

Prison outreach could indeed bring Native young people into Islam. And I do not condemn that. ANYTHING that brings them to sobriety and order is a good thing.

That said, when they get OUT of prison, the could be "ripe pickings" for radicalisation, since they are already turning their back upon their family. (and in most cases getting away from the family situation is a good thing).

Yes, they could be very vulnerable to extremists, since they often do not have a stable family or community to return to.

My hope is that they find a stable, calm, sane mosque community.

Also, it is easier for them to feel physically comfortable among other olive or brown skinned people with straight black hair. That physical comfort factor is not to be dismissed.

editted to add -- before anyone asks, I am of mixed native ancestry myself, as are many, many Oklahomans

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Just finish the land bridgers off.

You act like the solution is so complicated and stress over what news organs will bleat on and on about.

Fuck narratives. Just kill your enemies until they don't exist.

Nothing is true. Everything is permitted.

Hassan i-Sabbah
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50629772


Anybody with an intellectual opinion on the matter?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38271697


I consider your thread unlikely...

During the Spanish American war, WWI, WWII, Korean war, and Vietnam war, etc...at the outbreak of war for the United States...pinko Turkish hippies go around talking trash about the United States using jargon that they have picked up from various Christians, Jews, and indians. During the war for the United States, the Turkish hippies entice Christians, Jews, and indians to take physical action against the United States. If they come across someone that responds with their mouth or paper against the United States...they persecute the Christians, Jews, and indians. If they come across someone that takes physical action against the United States...they do worse to the Christians, Jews, and indians.

Then after the United States finishes the war, the United States persecutes the Christians, Jews, and indians.

You just think the United States has freedom of speech...you just think the United States has liberty...you just think that the United States is capable of intelligent thought.

Essentially the United States is in continual perpetual war to have excuses to prevent the Christians, Jews, and indians from ever having an intelligent voice, movement, and victory in court...

As for you...what has changed...the United States is in a conflict...and once again like every conflict before...aha...someone is trying to establish relations with the indians...uhuh...uhuh...uhuh...

You just think the United States is under God...you just think the United States is a safe free capitalist democracy...

You let me know how your targeting of the indians works out...
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Just finish the land bridgers off.

You act like the solution is so complicated and stress over what news organs will bleat on and on about.

Fuck narratives. Just kill your enemies until they don't exist.

Nothing is true. Everything is permitted.

Hassan i-Sabbah
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50629772


Anybody with an intellectual opinion on the matter?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38271697


I consider your thread unlikely...

During the Spanish American war, WWI, WWII, Korean war, and Vietnam war, etc...at the outbreak of war for the United States...pinko Turkish hippies go around talking trash about the United States using jargon that they have picked up from various Christians, Jews, and indians. During the war for the United States, the Turkish hippies entice Christians, Jews, and indians to take physical action against the United States. If they come across someone that responds with their mouth or paper against the United States...they persecute the Christians, Jews, and indians. If they come across someone that takes physical action against the United States...they do worse to the Christians, Jews, and indians.

Then after the United States finishes the war, the United States persecutes the Christians, Jews, and indians.

You just think the United States has freedom of speech...you just think the United States has liberty...you just think that the United States is capable of intelligent thought.

Essentially the United States is in continual perpetual war to have excuses to prevent the Christians, Jews, and indians from ever having an intelligent voice, movement, and victory in court...

As for you...what has changed...the United States is in a conflict...and once again like every conflict before...aha...someone is trying to establish relations with the indians...uhuh...uhuh...uhuh...

You just think the United States is under God...you just think the United States is a safe free capitalist democracy...

You let me know how your targeting of the indians works out...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50492936


I beg to differ that it's unlikely for the fact that I am Native and live in one of these communities where talk of armed insurrection is now common place. I wouldn't be concerned if I was just hearing it hear but those whispered words are being spoken more and more every day in other communities also. Especially here in Canada, things are very sketchy and fragile at the moment. If anything unlike communists, National Socialism ect. the native people do relate a lot more the "enemies" of this current war more so than any other time in history.
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I am Native and live in one of these communities where talk of armed insurrection is now common place. I wouldn't be concerned if I was just hearing it hear but those whispered words are being spoken more and more every day in other communities also.

Especially here in Canada, things are very sketchy and fragile at the moment. If anything unlike communists, National Socialism ect. the native people do relate a lot more the "enemies" of this current war more so than any other time in history.
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I am listening, friend, and I do hear you.

Your situation in Canada is largely different from *most* of the US. You DO have a LOT of potentially violent anti-white sentiment among Native communities there now. Here in the US I would venture to say that sentiment may be shared by those indigenous peoples whose land adjoins Canada much more so than in other parts of the country.

We have several different concepts going in this thread:

* Native anti-white/ anti-government sentiment

* Reasonable, healthy involvement by Native people in Islam as a pathway to sobriety and orderliness; ie conversion to mainstream Islam and integration into the stable, multiethnic Islamic community.

* Spontaneous self-radicalisation of a *few* vulnerable, unstable Native young people into radical Islam simply as "a" way to fight against white culture.

* Vulnerability of kids from messed up homes getting recruited into violence.

Any and all of these are possible. I have personally known of at least one young man of mixed Native heritage, involved in the mental health care/ social services system system, who turned to Islam years ago, it from what I knew of him, it seemed to totally positve transition. Instant community, new acceptance, new sobriety and support system -- all which he very much needed. The last I knew he was doing well, better than most in his situation.

Overall, I would tend to think that Islam *is* a good path for many, many alienated Native people, one that is stable and based upon sobriety and faithful observance.

That said, I do see great potential for angry young men to get turned into monsters in the wrong hands.

My hope is for their integration into a mosque, a church, a temple, a coven, a whatever it may be that gives them stability, understanding, order, and compassion.
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The war on terror is a fucking farce. The united states government is the terrorist. If there is ever a war on the us soil we will be on the side of america. Now will america be on our side?
One fucking dumb ass "native" with no identity and no leaders to give him vision goes and fights in a war which he had no place fighting in and now all natives are potential Al K DUH recruits. Fuck that. If that's the case then every country the united states has ever went to war with would also have to call natives their enemies, considering we have the highest rate of enlistment. No way our loyalty to America can be denied, but do we serve or rulers? Hell no.

By fighting for al k duh you are fighting for america, considering al k duh's conception was funded by the biggest terrorist group of them all U.S.A.

They want for us to be thankful that we are being feed shit.

Try going after the people that started al K duh.



We have plenty of reasons to dislike the government but how many native american terror attacks has there been?

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Might wanna take a look at this guy--> obama9
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