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ISON proves comets are not ICE!

 
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ISON proves comets are not ICE!
As the tail decreased during perihelion. If ice, the tail would grow larger, faster, stronger at perihelion.


I suggest comets are over powered by the Sun's electric potential and the voltage discharge reverses. Thus, preventing tail formation.

Watch, the tail will now explode due to capturing A LOT of energy from the Sun. As ISON begins departure. As the comet, being a massive capacitor in space, just got a full charge from the Sun. Now it has LOTS of electric potential.
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Re: ISON proves comets are not ICE!
As the tail decreased during perihelion. If ice, the tail would grow larger, faster, stronger at perihelion.


I suggest comets are over powered by the Sun's electric potential and the voltage discharge reverses. Thus, preventing tail formation.

Watch, the tail will now explode due to capturing A LOT of energy from the Sun. As ISON begins departure. As the comet, being a massive capacitor in space, just got a full charge from the Sun. Now it has LOTS of electric potential.
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That just blew my mind...
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Re: ISON proves comets are not ICE!
Especially if the tail grows larger after perihelion. If ice, the shit just got melted.

No no no, comets are not ice. This proved it for me.

A lot of science will change because of ISON.
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That just blew my mind...
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can a comet switch poles? if it has a bowshock, it must have some kind of megnetosphere
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Re: ISON proves comets are not ICE!
Especially if the tail grows larger after perihelion. If ice, the shit just got melted.

No no no, comets are not ice. This proved it for me.

A lot of science will change because of ISON.
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That just blew my mind...
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can a comet switch poles? if it has a bowshock, it must have some kind of megnetosphere
 Quoting: imjustsayin


I'm thinking more like high voltages.

Here is a high voltage corona discharge. Look similar?

[link to www.weatherscapes.com]

Not so much an active magnet. No real current to create a magnetic field. Just a massively charged object leaking voltage as it heats up.

The heat from the sun excites the energy and is the cause of corona development.


As I theorize, anyways.

The heat may reduce the maximum storage capacity of the material acting as the capacitor. Forcing corona discharge.

Getting so close to the Sun, where the Suns voltage potential over powers the comet, the electrical energy flows inwards instead of outwards.

I'm 99% on this. If the tail rapidly developed to a massive size then I am convinced.
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That just blew my mind...
 Quoting: imjustsayin


can a comet switch poles? if it has a bowshock, it must have some kind of megnetosphere
 Quoting: imjustsayin


I'm thinking more like high voltages.

Here is a high voltage corona discharge. Look similar?

[link to www.weatherscapes.com]

Not so much an active magnet. No real current to create a magnetic field. Just a massively charged object leaking voltage as it heats up.

The heat from the sun excites the energy and is the cause of corona development.


As I theorize, anyways.

The heat may reduce the maximum storage capacity of the material acting as the capacitor. Forcing corona discharge.

Getting so close to the Sun, where the Suns voltage potential over powers the comet, the electrical energy flows inwards instead of outwards.

I'm 99% on this. If the tail rapidly developed to a massive size then I am convinced.
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I'm with you on this one, sir! You're on to something.
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Re: ISON proves comets are not ICE!
Could you please explain like I'm five how the tail would grow longer if it were ice, instead of decreasing since heat typically melts ice? I would like to mention I'm not too aware of the electrical properties of comets so maybe that's what I'm missing.
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Re: ISON proves comets are not ICE!
What about comet Holmes? Maybe something similar happened.
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nice one!

electric universe FTW :)

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Re: ISON proves comets are not ICE!
Could you please explain like I'm five how the tail would grow longer if it were ice, instead of decreasing since heat typically melts ice? I would like to mention I'm not too aware of the electrical properties of comets so maybe that's what I'm missing.
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Well when the ice melts it releases the gases and dust trapped within the comet thus making the tail larger
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Could you please explain like I'm five how the tail would grow longer if it were ice, instead of decreasing since heat typically melts ice? I would like to mention I'm not too aware of the electrical properties of comets so maybe that's what I'm missing.
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Well when the ice melts it releases the gases and dust trapped within the comet thus making the tail larger
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Thanks a ton, kind person!
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Could you please explain like I'm five how the tail would grow longer if it were ice, instead of decreasing since heat typically melts ice? I would like to mention I'm not too aware of the electrical properties of comets so maybe that's what I'm missing.
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Classic Ice Model: Heat from Sun melts Ice and blown away by solar winds. Which creates the tail.

Electric Theory: Heating the comet lowers total capacitance. Causing high voltages (millions of volts) to bleed out in a white/blue glow.

Passing the Sun at perihelion

Classic Ice Model: The comet should produce the largest tail at perihelion. As more ice is melted and faster, stronger solar winds.

note* this did not happen.


Electric Theory: The Sun has extreme voltages. At some point, there is a line crossed where the Suns voltage over powers the comets voltage. Causing the leeching of electrons to reverse direction back inside. Now the Sun is pushing electricity into the comet. Like a battery charger over powering the battery to charge it. While the Sun is over powering ISONs voltage, the tail ceases to exist completely. Shuts off, no more until the comet leaves that critical threshold.


IF the comets tail grows very large after perihelion, considering the Ice model should have it melted away right now, proves it is electric.
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Re: ISON proves comets are not ICE!
Could you please explain like I'm five how the tail would grow longer if it were ice, instead of decreasing since heat typically melts ice? I would like to mention I'm not too aware of the electrical properties of comets so maybe that's what I'm missing.
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Similar to a contrail...

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Re: ISON proves comets are not ICE!
Now, we have a comet that came VERY close to the Sun. ISON is now charged to a VERY high voltage.

The ramifications, IDK.
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Re: ISON proves comets are not ICE!
Could you please explain like I'm five how the tail would grow longer if it were ice, instead of decreasing since heat typically melts ice? I would like to mention I'm not too aware of the electrical properties of comets so maybe that's what I'm missing.
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Well when the ice melts it releases the gases and dust trapped within the comet thus making the tail larger
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Thanks a ton, kind person!
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No problem man
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Re: ISON proves comets are not ICE!
not so fast.

It's not because maybe 1 comet acted strange, that suddenly we should throw away the ice theory. It worked for other comets. Maybe this is just a weird comet or indeed: the core is gone and only some junk is left and so there is a trail, but no tail. Gives me more confidence than this electric theory.

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Re: ISON proves comets are not ICE!
Could you please explain like I'm five how the tail would grow longer if it were ice, instead of decreasing since heat typically melts ice? I would like to mention I'm not too aware of the electrical properties of comets so maybe that's what I'm missing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48330021


Similar to a contrail...

Nothing to see here
, move along please...
 Quoting: Neptune Fabricator


And don't forget those chemtrails!!! Just because some extra shit is thrown into the mix doesn't mean the same science isn't being used!
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Re: ISON proves comets are not ICE!
Gotta love them sneaky "dirty snowballs". No doubt the "scientists" are and will continue to be baffled.

Sadly I fear the only thing it will prove is the continuing contempt that established science has for the EU model. It may prove that we can't fix stupid, that's something at least.
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Electric Universe 1 ... 0 Dr. Shillstro and "friends"

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Re: ISON proves comets are not ICE!
As the tail decreased during perihelion. If ice, the tail would grow larger, faster, stronger at perihelion.


I suggest comets are over powered by the Sun's electric potential and the voltage discharge reverses. Thus, preventing tail formation.

Watch, the tail will now explode due to capturing A LOT of energy from the Sun. As ISON begins departure. As the comet, being a massive capacitor in space, just got a full charge from the Sun. Now it has LOTS of electric potential.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--


I recall reading something suggesting the reverse during the Elenin approach ... long period comets traversing and picking up electrons such that they would be massively negatively charged on approach into inner solar system, and discharging that negative potential upon reaching critical distance to Sol.
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[link to www.nytimes.com]


New Answer Proposed for Tektites: a Comet

By WALTER SULLIVAN
Published: November 28, 1989


A SOVIET scientist has concluded that the small glassy tektites strewn across much of the Eastern Hemisphere fell far more recently than had been thought, throwing doubt on timing of the great catastrophe responsible for their deposition.

The Soviet scientist, Emil P. Izokh a geologist at the Soviet Academy of Sciences in Novosibirsk, studied specimens collected at 120 sites throughout Vietnam. He has put the date of their arrival at about 10,000 years ago, whereas the popular view has been that the event occurred 700,000 years ago, at about the same time that the earth's magnetic field made a dramatic shift.

...

For many years a group of Australian geologists has argued that the tektites there lay far too near the surface to have originated 700,000 years ago. They put the age at about 10,000 years. Dr. Brian Mason, emeritus curator of meteorites at the Smithsonian National Museum in Washington, said last week that studies that he and his colleagues had conducted indicated that they are about 5,000 years years old.



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Re: ISON proves comets are not ICE!
not so fast.

It's not because maybe 1 comet acted strange, that suddenly we should throw away the ice theory. It worked for other comets. Maybe this is just a weird comet or indeed: the core is gone and only some junk is left and so there is a trail, but no tail. Gives me more confidence than this electric theory.
 Quoting: erchoz


It worked because both models work on the basis of heat being the catalyst for the tail formation.

BUT, the heat from the Sun is actually reducing the capacitance, causing the electrons that can't stick around to bleed out in a corona discharge.

In this case, ISON crossed a line. It entered a zone of higher voltages so, as electricity has it, charges flow from higher voltages to lower voltages.



Both models work on heat, which is why it worked for so many comets. BUT, this electric model works for those comets AND ison!
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Five stars ***** for you OP
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Re: ISON proves comets are not ICE!
if not "ice", then where did all the water in our oceans come from, then?.......wtf
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The Sun.





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