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Anonymous Coward User ID: 46672269 Canada 11/29/2013 02:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Comets are not ice that have freaking "jets". I suggest you familarize yourself with the electric comet theory, and the undeniable proofs that back it up, before you go posting any crap by any organization that posts any information regarding comets and jets and their assumed composition. |
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x0mega (OP) User ID: 38361861 United States 11/29/2013 02:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Comets are not ice that have freaking "jets". I suggest you familarize yourself with the electric comet theory, and the undeniable proofs that back it up, before you go posting any crap by any organization that posts any information regarding comets and jets and their assumed composition. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46672269 I never said anything about jets, or the composition of what i'm guessing you are referring to as a "tail" You could listen to your own advice, maybe post an example by an organization that backs up what you are talking about, before posting any "crap". |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 46672269 Canada 11/29/2013 02:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I only had to read the first part of your quote "jets spewing from the icy core". Right there, is wrong. The "jets" are from electrical arcing, proven by the deep impact probe. Time lapsed photos proved the crators on the comet they were studying were slowely being eroded from these "plasma arcs". The debris is a direct result of the offshoot of this arcing. They even sampled the "cosmic dust", found literally no water in it, but did find particles that could only be formed from high temperatures. They even did electron microscope scans of said particles and found I think it was iron particles stuck inside silicon matrixs with a pattern of entry only recreatable through, you guessed it, high voltage plasma arcing. Even the shape of the surface errosion is identicle to the surface erosion of materials after being exposed to...plasma arcing. God, Google electric comet. Srs |
x0mega (OP) User ID: 38361861 United States 11/29/2013 02:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I only had to read the first part of your quote "jets spewing from the icy core". Right there, is wrong. The "jets" are from electrical arcing, proven by the deep impact probe. Time lapsed photos proved the crators on the comet they were studying were slowely being eroded from these "plasma arcs". The debris is a direct result of the offshoot of this arcing. They even sampled the "cosmic dust", found literally no water in it, but did find particles that could only be formed from high temperatures. They even did electron microscope scans of said particles and found I think it was iron particles stuck inside silicon matrixs with a pattern of entry only recreatable through, you guessed it, high voltage plasma arcing. Even the shape of the surface errosion is identicle to the surface erosion of materials after being exposed to...plasma arcing. God, Google electric comet. Srs Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46672269 I see, I was simply quoting parts from spaceweather.com - the point being made was actually about the color. I honestly don't care much about the plethora of theories that exist in various fields of research. My question is a little more direct, and related to the potential impact to our planet. Do you have any ideas about that? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 46672269 Canada 11/29/2013 02:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So in laymans terms, you can think of a comet as being similar to an asteroid, except it has extreme charge imbalance(what nieve folk would call static electricity), which is affected by the whatever the hell energy is coming from the sun. Notice how comets only gain their tail once already in the solar system somewhere around Jupiter? The closer it gets, the stronger the arcing on the surface of said comets. What confuses me is why comets when close to the sun seem to balance out, then when leaving again charge back up. Maybe its because it acts similar to what we call friction, and charge potential. According to the triboelectric theory, when two dissimilar materials are put together, they share a charge and balance out at the minimum contact distance, when they are pulled apart is when the arcing occurs, and the dissimilar materials begin to create on their surfaces a strong charge imbalance. Ie static electricity, but that term should be thrown out because it is wrong. By the way I am not saying electrons are the only force at play here. If any of you are familiar with modern electrical theory, you qill understand that, the energy we see say in a light bulb is not a direct result of a one way flow of electrons. Electrons in a circuit only flow something like 1meter per hour. Its the energy potential or current, which flows in the opposite direction that makes filaments put off light. Which I think, in a DC circuit, is literally the amplified wiggle/frequency of the electrons themselves. Comets on the other hand are not limited into a solid state form of matter like say copper, or aluminum. So when talking about comets, all particles must be considered including nuclei, electrons, protons, phoyons, and all those other particles that have been found to exist, those of which I have no clue of their scientific term. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 46672269 Canada 11/29/2013 02:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think the color may have something to do with the direction of travel and the side of the waveform of light reflecting or coming off it either becoming compressed or elongated. Like how a horizon is red, and how peoples eye change color. There are numerous articles even available on google that explain light refraction and such to stunning accuracy. If I wasnt on mobile Id post one of my bookmarks, but away from home sorry. I do get flustered everytime I hear people talk about comets like the world is flat. Its troubling. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 45081800 United States 11/29/2013 03:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So in laymans terms, you can think of a comet as being similar to an asteroid, except it has extreme charge imbalance(what nieve folk would call static electricity), which is affected by the whatever the hell energy is coming from the sun. Notice how comets only gain their tail once already in the solar system somewhere around Jupiter? The closer it gets, the stronger the arcing on the surface of said comets. What confuses me is why comets when close to the sun seem to balance out, then when leaving again charge back up. Maybe its because it acts similar to what we call friction, and charge potential. According to the triboelectric theory, when two dissimilar materials are put together, they share a charge and balance out at the minimum contact distance, when they are pulled apart is when the arcing occurs, and the dissimilar materials begin to create on their surfaces a strong charge imbalance. Ie static electricity, but that term should be thrown out because it is wrong. By the way I am not saying electrons are the only force at play here. If any of you are familiar with modern electrical theory, you qill understand that, the energy we see say in a light bulb is not a direct result of a one way flow of electrons. Electrons in a circuit only flow something like 1meter per hour. Its the energy potential or current, which flows in the opposite direction that makes filaments put off light. Which I think, in a DC circuit, is literally the amplified wiggle/frequency of the electrons themselves. Comets on the other hand are not limited into a solid state form of matter like say copper, or aluminum. So when talking about comets, all particles must be considered including nuclei, electrons, protons, phoyons, and all those other particles that have been found to exist, those of which I have no clue of their scientific term. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46672269 Hmmm thanks I had this discussion almost word for word today with my uncle Ebb ...wow |
x0mega (OP) User ID: 38361861 United States 11/29/2013 03:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think the color may have something to do with the direction of travel and the side of the waveform of light reflecting or coming off it either becoming compressed or elongated. Like how a horizon is red, and how peoples eye change color. There are numerous articles even available on google that explain light refraction and such to stunning accuracy. If I wasnt on mobile Id post one of my bookmarks, but away from home sorry. I do get flustered everytime I hear people talk about comets like the world is flat. Its troubling. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46672269 "and how peoples eye change color." i'm sorry but this is not why the comet is green, its because of cyanogen like spaceweather.com pointed out above. there is no question that the color is green. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 46672269 Canada 11/29/2013 03:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yeah sorry I honestly didnt even read your entire post, so sure lets focus on the "cyanogen" or better call it carbon nitride. Quick wiki search shows it is colorless, but because of the reflection of light from the sun it shows as green to whatever is looking at it. Seems logical that if said comet does have this "toxic gas" in its "tail" then sure. But, you are also still assuming that this gas is somehow coming from the comet "insides". If using the modern electric comet theory, my question would be then can this "gas" be formed from the superheating of the surface, thus these particles are ahot out of the plasma arc, into the tail, because the arcing on the surface created this compound? The comet surely isnt shooting it out of vents, amd the sun surely didnt suck it out of the comet, and the comet is a solid object, it is in no shape or form gaseous. So your theory of it possibly dusting the earth with these particles, could very well be backed up if it can be proved that this "cyanogen" can be created from arcing on the avaiable surface elements. Very well possible. |
x0mega (OP) User ID: 38361861 United States 11/29/2013 03:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yeah sorry I honestly didnt even read your entire post, so sure lets focus on the "cyanogen" or better call it carbon nitride. Quick wiki search shows it is colorless, but because of the reflection of light from the sun it shows as green to whatever is looking at it. Seems logical that if said comet does have this "toxic gas" in its "tail" then sure. But, you are also still assuming that this gas is somehow coming from the comet "insides". If using the modern electric comet theory, my question would be then can this "gas" be formed from the superheating of the surface, thus these particles are ahot out of the plasma arc, into the tail, because the arcing on the surface created this compound? The comet surely isnt shooting it out of vents, amd the sun surely didnt suck it out of the comet, and the comet is a solid object, it is in no shape or form gaseous. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46672269 So your theory of it possibly dusting the earth with these particles, could very well be backed up if it can be proved that this "cyanogen" can be created from arcing on the avaiable surface elements. Very well possible. Thanks, I suppose I need to read more about this electric comet theory. I do not understand many of the principles you brought up, but I would like to disagree with the idea that "the comet is a solid object" part because I think the disconnect stems from there. in my understanding a "dirty snowball" as NASA in lay-mans terms called it, would be like any other collection of ice rocks floating in space, as the ice rocks got close to the sun they would melt and the evaporation would mostly orbit the nucleus (collection of ice rocks). when the solid nucleus got too close to the sun the entire thing turned into 100% gas form. as it exited the sun, it re-combined under gravity of itself hopefully forming a clean nucleus again (of a collection of ice rocks, as the gas condensates into liquid, into ice) the sun, is what slowly drags the gas away forming the tail. you can confirm these observations from the lasco video here. If my observations are accurate, then the Cyanogen would indeed be a gas and or ice rock form - similar to a nebula as it passes. I imagine our magnetosphere will not protect us from this convergence... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 46672269 Canada 11/29/2013 03:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I guess the only way to solidify either theory is to hope for some better images in the upcoming days/weeks. When it comes to the whole ice rock theory, it just doesnt compute. I do suggest you do some reasearch, cause it explains their findings about the lack of water, and the proof of particle ejections only possible from high temperature reactions. If comets were ice mixed with other crap, no such arcing qould take place, water would be found in the cosmic dust, and there would not be compounds that required extremely high temps to create being found in said dust. Trust me, there were many comet theorists that were stunned by the findings of deep impact and whatever else. Dirty snowball theory is dead. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 46672269 Canada 11/29/2013 04:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I guarantee the triboelectric deal will explain to you the real reason why it goes dim, then bright again upin gaining some distance. Kinda like how, you rub your hair on a balloon, you move away the hair stands up, move it closer again the hair goes back down. This does actually happen because the charge potential in the hair is more readily lost the closer the hair gets. I know the first think you thought it the hair stands stronger upon the baloon getting closer. But its not as simple as that. Once at a certain point(lets call it perhelion), imbalance is maximum(tail brightness/arcing), once within charge transfers and potential is lost(arcing ceases/hair goes limp), pull away, imbalance returns. Or this could be a simple case of the sun blowing away the tail debris faster during perhelion, therefore it is too far dispersed to make any noticable visual effect. Once it leaves it slows down, tail reorientates itself after a stable distance has been reached, and tail/coma becomes visable and bright again. |
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Reinvigorated Being User ID: 2782120 United States 11/29/2013 08:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So in laymans terms, you can think of a comet as being similar to an asteroid, except it has extreme charge imbalance(what nieve folk would call static electricity), which is affected by the whatever the hell energy is coming from the sun. Notice how comets only gain their tail once already in the solar system somewhere around Jupiter? The closer it gets, the stronger the arcing on the surface of said comets. What confuses me is why comets when close to the sun seem to balance out, then when leaving again charge back up. Maybe its because it acts similar to what we call friction, and charge potential. According to the triboelectric theory, when two dissimilar materials are put together, they share a charge and balance out at the minimum contact distance, when they are pulled apart is when the arcing occurs, and the dissimilar materials begin to create on their surfaces a strong charge imbalance. Ie static electricity, but that term should be thrown out because it is wrong. By the way I am not saying electrons are the only force at play here. If any of you are familiar with modern electrical theory, you qill understand that, the energy we see say in a light bulb is not a direct result of a one way flow of electrons. Electrons in a circuit only flow something like 1meter per hour. Its the energy potential or current, which flows in the opposite direction that makes filaments put off light. Which I think, in a DC circuit, is literally the amplified wiggle/frequency of the electrons themselves. Comets on the other hand are not limited into a solid state form of matter like say copper, or aluminum. So when talking about comets, all particles must be considered including nuclei, electrons, protons, phoyons, and all those other particles that have been found to exist, those of which I have no clue of their scientific term. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46672269 Kind of like the "charge balance"(read-electrical interaction) between Comet ISON & Mars, Venus & Mercury? Not that we're likely to ever see the footage that we were promised by NASA. I'm a proud Texan & American, posting from Central Texas & have no clue why my flag shows friggin Canada(no offense to my Canadian friends). "Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." Diderot "Immigration without assimilation is invasion!" - Anonymous Coward Gird your lions, shave your Family & panic sex the 'maters! "When your so-called religion is purely a political theory of conquest, and deception is one of it's core principles then it strikes me as perfectly sane and reasonable to assume literally everyone who is of such a "religion" to be exactly the same POS who deserves to be treated as the enemy non-stop." Darkwolf007 |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 50767746 United Kingdom 11/29/2013 12:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i believe this cloud we are going to plunge through will SEED massive rainstorms, all over the planet i also believe they have KNOWN about this for at least the past couple of years, and I'll tell you why. Here in south wales, ALL OVER south wales, they have been digging drainage ditches where fields meet rural roads they know a LOT of water is about to saturate those fields, and unless they put measures in place, these upcoming rainstorms would totally paralyse this area now, you might say, 'what? drainage ditches? give me a break!', but we haven't needed them before. why do we suddenly need them NOW? these are BRAND NEW, and millions must have been spent on them. It's a really big job. one thing it does though, is give me confidence they THINK we can make it through, otherwise, why would they bother? one further problem for us here in the UK of course, is IF this cloud does seed huge storms, we're in the middle of winter, and they MAY fall as extremely heavy falls of snow. perhaps this is how ice ages get going, because MASSIVE falls of snow wouldn't thaw in the following summer, and then of course, the following January, earth would go right through that cloud again, and again and again, year after year, until it's exhausted the supply. BANG, you're in an ice age. well YOU are not IN IT as such, you're a PART of it, at the bottom of a mile high glacier. perhaps large comets like this, crossing our orbit and laying a trail of whatever, is what causes ice ages? if true, we're fucked, but as I said, why would they spend so much money on these ditches if that was the case? |
x0mega (OP) User ID: 38361861 United States 11/29/2013 12:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i believe this cloud we are going to plunge through will SEED massive rainstorms, all over the planet Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50767746 i also believe they have KNOWN about this for at least the past couple of years, and I'll tell you why. Here in south wales, ALL OVER south wales, they have been digging drainage ditches where fields meet rural roads they know a LOT of water is about to saturate those fields, and unless they put measures in place, these upcoming rainstorms would totally paralyse this area now, you might say, 'what? drainage ditches? give me a break!', but we haven't needed them before. why do we suddenly need them NOW? these are BRAND NEW, and millions must have been spent on them. It's a really big job. one thing it does though, is give me confidence they THINK we can make it through, otherwise, why would they bother? one further problem for us here in the UK of course, is IF this cloud does seed huge storms, we're in the middle of winter, and they MAY fall as extremely heavy falls of snow. perhaps this is how ice ages get going, because MASSIVE falls of snow wouldn't thaw in the following summer, and then of course, the following January, earth would go right through that cloud again, and again and again, year after year, until it's exhausted the supply. BANG, you're in an ice age. well YOU are not IN IT as such, you're a PART of it, at the bottom of a mile high glacier. perhaps large comets like this, crossing our orbit and laying a trail of whatever, is what causes ice ages? if true, we're fucked, but as I said, why would they spend so much money on these ditches if that was the case? Well they do say winter is coming :) Interesting note about the drainage, they have been doing a lot of construction in the US and now I wonder how much of that is to alter drainage. any idea why the rain would come? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 50767746 United Kingdom 11/29/2013 01:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i believe this cloud we are going to plunge through will SEED massive rainstorms, all over the planet Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50767746 i also believe they have KNOWN about this for at least the past couple of years, and I'll tell you why. Here in south wales, ALL OVER south wales, they have been digging drainage ditches where fields meet rural roads they know a LOT of water is about to saturate those fields, and unless they put measures in place, these upcoming rainstorms would totally paralyse this area now, you might say, 'what? drainage ditches? give me a break!', but we haven't needed them before. why do we suddenly need them NOW? these are BRAND NEW, and millions must have been spent on them. It's a really big job. one thing it does though, is give me confidence they THINK we can make it through, otherwise, why would they bother? one further problem for us here in the UK of course, is IF this cloud does seed huge storms, we're in the middle of winter, and they MAY fall as extremely heavy falls of snow. perhaps this is how ice ages get going, because MASSIVE falls of snow wouldn't thaw in the following summer, and then of course, the following January, earth would go right through that cloud again, and again and again, year after year, until it's exhausted the supply. BANG, you're in an ice age. well YOU are not IN IT as such, you're a PART of it, at the bottom of a mile high glacier. perhaps large comets like this, crossing our orbit and laying a trail of whatever, is what causes ice ages? if true, we're fucked, but as I said, why would they spend so much money on these ditches if that was the case? Well they do say winter is coming :) Interesting note about the drainage, they have been doing a lot of construction in the US and now I wonder how much of that is to alter drainage. any idea why the rain would come? [link to en.wikipedia.org] |
x0mega (OP) User ID: 38361861 United States 11/29/2013 01:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i believe this cloud we are going to plunge through will SEED massive rainstorms, all over the planet Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50767746 i also believe they have KNOWN about this for at least the past couple of years, and I'll tell you why. Here in south wales, ALL OVER south wales, they have been digging drainage ditches where fields meet rural roads they know a LOT of water is about to saturate those fields, and unless they put measures in place, these upcoming rainstorms would totally paralyse this area now, you might say, 'what? drainage ditches? give me a break!', but we haven't needed them before. why do we suddenly need them NOW? these are BRAND NEW, and millions must have been spent on them. It's a really big job. one thing it does though, is give me confidence they THINK we can make it through, otherwise, why would they bother? one further problem for us here in the UK of course, is IF this cloud does seed huge storms, we're in the middle of winter, and they MAY fall as extremely heavy falls of snow. perhaps this is how ice ages get going, because MASSIVE falls of snow wouldn't thaw in the following summer, and then of course, the following January, earth would go right through that cloud again, and again and again, year after year, until it's exhausted the supply. BANG, you're in an ice age. well YOU are not IN IT as such, you're a PART of it, at the bottom of a mile high glacier. perhaps large comets like this, crossing our orbit and laying a trail of whatever, is what causes ice ages? if true, we're fucked, but as I said, why would they spend so much money on these ditches if that was the case? Well they do say winter is coming :) Interesting note about the drainage, they have been doing a lot of construction in the US and now I wonder how much of that is to alter drainage. any idea why the rain would come? [link to en.wikipedia.org] Ouch, like flying through one big massive chemtrail.. wonderful :) |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 50768802 United States 11/29/2013 01:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | (comets) enki and lovejoy are also in the solar system right now. [link to en.wikipedia.org] [link to en.wikipedia.org] [link to en.wikipedia.org] |
x0mega (OP) User ID: 38361861 United States 11/29/2013 02:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | (comets) enki and lovejoy are also in the solar system right now. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50768802 [link to en.wikipedia.org] [link to en.wikipedia.org] [link to en.wikipedia.org] Things that come in 3's :) |
way2wyrd User ID: 50353238 United Kingdom 11/29/2013 03:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | (comets) enki and lovejoy are also in the solar system right now. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50768802 [link to en.wikipedia.org] [link to en.wikipedia.org] [link to en.wikipedia.org] Things that come in 3's :) Great thread |
Neptune Fabricator User ID: 15365559 United States 11/29/2013 03:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | kind of spooky, but if ISON's twin tails does represent the phoenix. Quoting: x0mega notice what happens when the phoenix passes over the people? they all fall to the ground? sounds a lot like our ISON gas... I think the tail us smaller than the 2 massive wings 4x the size of earth... My 2c … ...Your Own Personal Jesus... |