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What kind of Gospel is Pope Francis Teaching???? Pope Francis: Use intelligence to understand signs of the times.

 
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What kind of Gospel is Pope Francis Teaching???? Pope Francis: Use intelligence to understand signs of the times.
Not sure if the Pope teaches from the Holy Scriptures, however he seems to be off the mark when it comes to the teachings of Jesus Christ....

What path does the Lord want? Always with the spirit of intelligence with which to understand the signs of the times. It is beautiful to ask the Lord for this grace,” the Pope said in his Nov. 29 daily homily.

Pope Francis directed his reflections to those present in the Saint Martha guesthouse of the Vatican, where he has chosen to reside.

He began by recalling of how in the Gospels, the Lord taught his disciples to pay attention to the signs of the times, which the Pharisees failed to understand, emphasizing how one must think not only with the head, but also with the heart and the spirit in order to fully comprehend “way of God in history.”

“In the Gospel, Jesus does not become angry, but pretends (JESUS PRETENDS???) to when the disciples do not understand him,” the Pope explained, adding that at Emmaus Jesus says, “'How foolish and slow of heart.'”

“He who does not understand the things of God is such a person,” noted the pontiff, emphasizing how “The Lord wants us to understand what happens, what happens in my heart, what happens in my life, what happens in the world, in history.”

“What is the meaning of what is happening now? These are the signs of the times!”

Emphasizing how the Lord always wants us to walk along the path of intelligence, Pope Francis highlighted how “it is beautiful to ask the Lord for this grace, who sends us this spirit of intelligence, in order that we avoid weak thought, we do not have a restricted thought and we do not have a thought according to personal preference.

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HOWEVER:

Jesus said,

“I Speak in Parables So They WON’T Understand.”

Why Would Jesus Do that?

All these things spoke Jesus unto the multitude in PARABLES; and without a parable spoke He not unto them.” Matt 13:34

“But without a PARABLE spoke He not unto them…” Mark 4:34

“This PARABLE spoke Jesus unto them; but they understood not what things they were which He spoke unto them.” John 10:6


Jesus gives the answer Himself:

“And the disciples came, and said unto Him, Why do you speak unto them in parables? He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto YOU to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but unto them it is NOT given.” Matt 13:10-11

“. . . but unto them it is NOT given.” Jesus spoke in parables the majority of the people could NOT understand!

Even Jesus’ own disciples had to have these parables explained to them. But He often did that by telling them - - another Parable! Why would Jesus do that?

Because God’s plan involves calling MANY, but choosing only a FEW – at least in this eon.

“(The) MANY (meaning – ALL) are called, but FEW are chosen.” Matt 22:14

Jesus said, “You have not chosen Me, but I have chosen you.” John 15:16


NOT SURE WHAT THIS POPE IS DOING????


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Well since you are not Catholic what business is it of yours?
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Well since you are not Catholic what business is it of yours?
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Are we not all called to be a Witness for the truth of Jesus Christ????


Jesus as a Jew spoke to the 7 Churches....

including the Catholic one....
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Well since you are not Catholic what business is it of yours?
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Are we not all called to be a Witness for the truth of Jesus Christ????


Jesus as a Jew spoke to the 7 Churches....

including the Catholic one....
 Quoting: christian


In my opinion Jesus was not a jew. He was/is intemporal, He existed before being born and after Resurecting.He was/is not His body but is Spirit like the Father.

as to the 7 Churches. Christ spoke in singular..He said my Church..not Churches..

Where are all the other Churches now?
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Well since you are not Catholic what business is it of yours?
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Are we not all called to be a Witness for the truth of Jesus Christ????


Jesus as a Jew spoke to the 7 Churches....

including the Catholic one....
 Quoting: christian


In my opinion Jesus was not a jew. He was/is intemporal, He existed before being born and after Resurecting.He was/is not His body but is Spirit like the Father.

as to the 7 Churches. Christ spoke in singular..He said my Church..not Churches..

Where are all the other Churches now?
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Jesus was born as a Jew that is not even in dispute...

He was a Torah Observant Jew...

He is also Divine as the only begotten SON of the Living GOD.

Jesus spoke of the Church that included Jew and Gentile Alike...

One that honored and loved GOD with all their heart soul and mind which meant..Love GOD by honoring his divinity and his laws for mankind...

Love your neighbor as yourself.....

That is the CHURCH Jesus spoke of...


the other Churches will be destroyed....

including the Church of Laodicea which many are in...

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I dispute it

Inmy opinion He was neither a jew nor Torah observant in fact I think He went ouyt of His way to break the Laws of the Torah

1.he stopped them fromapplying the law against an adulteress

2.He was touched by a woman who washed His feet and dried themwith Her hair

3.He touched the unclean..as in lepes

4.He trouched the dead

5.He ate with gentiles

6.He spoke to a Samaritan and a woman

7. He cured on a Sabbath

8. He ate bread and wine at the passover mean..prohibited by Law

9.He had a woman annoint Him..again prohibited as only certain priests/rabbis had that prerrogative to use annointing pils and annoint no one else and most definitely not a woman

10.he critisized the satus quo and openly insulted the pharisees

11.He substitued the axiom..an eye for an eye..of the old law..by the "turn the other cheek"

just to name a few..
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" During his daily Mass, Pope Francis spoke of the importance of man's intellect in understanding the Lord, and cautioned those present against “restricted” thought which keeps us focused on ourselves."


The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.

Someone can have all the "intellect" in the world and yet will not understand the things which come from the Spirit of God if they themselves do not have His spirit.
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Well since you are not Catholic what business is it of yours?
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Plenty.

"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils". 1 Timothy 4:1
 Quoting: Koss of Norgahorg


I think too many non Catholics have too much to say regarding Catholic Doctrine..you have your own pastors and churches..follow them and leave us alone
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" During his daily Mass, Pope Francis spoke of the importance of man's intellect in understanding the Lord, and cautioned those present against “restricted” thought which keeps us focused on ourselves."


The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.

Someone can have all the "intellect" in the world and yet will not understand the things which come from the Spirit of God if they themselves do not have His spirit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50940519


Amen and Amen!
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Well since you are not Catholic what business is it of yours?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50921508


Plenty.

"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils". 1 Timothy 4:1
 Quoting: Koss of Norgahorg


I think too many non Catholics have too much to say regarding Catholic Doctrine..you have your own pastors and churches..follow them and leave us alone
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50921508


Agree, or shut up! Now there's the Vatican spirit we all love and cherish; torturing and killing dissidents since its very inception. What are you scared of, the truth?

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Well since you are not Catholic what business is it of yours?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50921508


Plenty.

"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils". 1 Timothy 4:1
 Quoting: Koss of Norgahorg


I think too many non Catholics have too much to say regarding Catholic Doctrine..you have your own pastors and churches..follow them and leave us alone
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50921508


Agree, or shut up! Now there's the Vatican spirit we all love and cherish; torturing and killing dissidents since its very inception. What are you scared of, the truth?
 Quoting: vedklyvare


Not me,Im too laid back for that.I couldnt care less if you agree or not, I just find it in bad taste that so many not of the Catholic Faith think they have a right to opine about a doctrine that quite frankly in my opinion is none of their business
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Plenty.

"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils". 1 Timothy 4:1
 Quoting: Koss of Norgahorg


I think too many non Catholics have too much to say regarding Catholic Doctrine..you have your own pastors and churches..follow them and leave us alone
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50921508


Agree, or shut up! Now there's the Vatican spirit we all love and cherish; torturing and killing dissidents since its very inception. What are you scared of, the truth?
 Quoting: vedklyvare


Not me,Im too laid back for that.I couldnt care less if you agree or not, I just find it in bad taste that so many not of the Catholic Faith think they have a right to opine about a doctrine that quite frankly in my opinion is none of their business
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50921508




Most of those non-Catholics, were Catholics at one time...
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I think too many non Catholics have too much to say regarding Catholic Doctrine..you have your own pastors and churches..follow them and leave us alone
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50921508


Agree, or shut up! Now there's the Vatican spirit we all love and cherish; torturing and killing dissidents since its very inception. What are you scared of, the truth?
 Quoting: vedklyvare


Not me,Im too laid back for that.I couldnt care less if you agree or not, I just find it in bad taste that so many not of the Catholic Faith think they have a right to opine about a doctrine that quite frankly in my opinion is none of their business
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50921508




Most of those non-Catholics, were Catholics at one time...
 Quoting: christian


thats doesnt alter the fact that they are no longer in the Faith

what right has someone of another faith to tell anyone else how they should worship and or believe?

is it my business how the hindus worship? have I any righht to telll them they should change? i can only give my opinion or point of view but I must respect the freedom of each individual to profess the religious belief of their choice and to freely practice it..shouldnt I?
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Agree, or shut up! Now there's the Vatican spirit we all love and cherish; torturing and killing dissidents since its very inception. What are you scared of, the truth?
 Quoting: vedklyvare


Not me,Im too laid back for that.I couldnt care less if you agree or not, I just find it in bad taste that so many not of the Catholic Faith think they have a right to opine about a doctrine that quite frankly in my opinion is none of their business
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50921508




Most of those non-Catholics, were Catholics at one time...
 Quoting: christian


thats doesnt alter the fact that they are no longer in the Faith

what right has someone of another faith to tell anyone else how they should worship and or believe?

is it my business how the hindus worship? have I any righht to telll them they should change? i can only give my opinion or point of view but I must respect the freedom of each individual to profess the religious belief of their choice and to freely practice it..shouldnt I?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50921508




2nd Timothy 3:16


All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

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" During his daily Mass, Pope Francis spoke of the importance of man's intellect in understanding the Lord, and cautioned those present against “restricted” thought which keeps us focused on ourselves."


The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.

Someone can have all the "intellect" in the world and yet will not understand the things which come from the Spirit of God if they themselves do not have His spirit.
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Yes thats what I found hilarious... the carnal mind can never understand. Walk by faith not sight
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Babylonian Talmud, Shabbat 31a

Once there was a gentile who came before Shammai, and said to him: "Convert me on the condition that you teach me the whole Torah while I stand on one foot. Shammai pushed him aside with the measuring stick he was holding. The same fellow came before Hillel, and Hillel converted him, saying: That which is despicable to you, do not do to your fellow, this is the whole Torah, and the rest is commentary, go and learn it."
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Our physical senses are deceptive and all will pass away. What will be left standing if your spirit is dead? Got to walk by faith
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Maybe Ive been on Glp too long but all this focus on the Pope ..any Pope..Im sure if we had a Pope that was the holiest of the holiest, not bsyaing the present one isnt of course ..you would still find fault..it all smacks to me of ulterior motives
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Maybe Ive been on Glp too long but all this focus on the Pope ..any Pope..Im sure if we had a Pope that was the holiest of the holiest, not bsyaing the present one isnt of course ..you probably would still find fault..it all smacks to me of ulterior motives
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Ill give you the..probably

frankly in my opinion..it stinks
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The more he talks the less he seems to me a "chosen" by Almight God...

Maybe im wrong but i feel he's really the false prophet of the unholy trinity
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Maybe Ive been on Glp too long but all this focus on the Pope ..any Pope..Im sure if we had a Pope that was the holiest of the holiest, not bsyaing the present one isnt of course ..you would still find fault..it all smacks to me of ulterior motives
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'Holy Pope' is an oxymoron. Pope Francis seems to be loved by many though, especially liberal media, atheists and even practising pagans. Makes you wonder...
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Maybe Ive been on Glp too long but all this focus on the Pope ..any Pope..Im sure if we had a Pope that was the holiest of the holiest, not bsyaing the present one isnt of course ..you would still find fault..it all smacks to me of ulterior motives
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'Holy Pope' is an oxymoron. Pope Francis seems to be loved by many though, especially liberal media, atheists and even practising pagans. Makes you wonder...
 Quoting: vedklyvare


He is taking a New Direction for the Church....

he sure is...
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