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Did God chose Israel because they were better? Did they even exist when he made the covenant with Abraham?

 
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who cares about this 2000 yr old BS anyway.
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who cares about this 2000 yr old BS anyway.
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is older than that

either way, history is always important
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narmer
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What is that an Egyptian bowling enthusiast?
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Re: Did God chose Israel because they were better? Did they even exist when he made the covenant with Abraham?
who cares about this 2000 yr old BS anyway.
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Because some Jews still feel they are God's chosen people

The promise made to Abraham was due to his faith and it would be All nations that would be blessed if they put their faith in God's Son:

"The purpose was that the blessing of Abraham might come to be by means of Jesus Christ for the nations, ....."- Galatians 3:14
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Re: Did God chose Israel because they were better? Did they even exist when he made the covenant with Abraham?
Who said God didn't change his mind?

FACT:
...In about 1,040AD, an angel appeared to a monk in England
- "The Jews have been sacked" he tells the monk and that the British are now God's Chosen People.
- The angel says that King Edward must go to "Thorny Island", a marshy, uninhabited isle and build a new city there and it will one day be the capital of the greatest empire that man will ever create.

King Edward did as commanded and bult a new palace and a churhc which became known as the "West Minster". Upon where that island was now stands the Houses Of Parliament from which Britain ruled one third of the world's surface by 1918.

...ALthough little known by most, this is still technically Church Of England doctrine.
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Who said God didn't change his mind?

FACT:
...In about 1,040AD, an angel appeared to a monk in England
- "The Jews have been sacked" he tells the monk and that the British are now God's Chosen People.
- The angel says that King Edward must go to "Thorny Island", a marshy, uninhabited isle and build a new city there and it will one day be the capital of the greatest empire that man will ever create.

King Edward did as commanded and bult a new palace and a churhc which became known as the "West Minster". Upon where that island was now stands the Houses Of Parliament from which Britain ruled one third of the world's surface by 1918.

...ALthough little known by most, this is still technically Church Of England doctrine.
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Interesting that Britain, coupled with the United States is the last world power on the scene before Jehovah destroys all government and sets up His Kingdom......
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What is that an Egyptian bowling enthusiast?
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it is a king sacrificing his son

similar themes with Abram
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narmer
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What is that an Egyptian bowling enthusiast?
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it is a king sacrificing his son

similar themes with Abram
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Except God stopped Abraham from going through with it.....
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The entirety of the OT is made up bullshit. Remember this and then reread the NT. You will see that Jesus was trolling the retarded rabbis all along.
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The entirety of the OT is made up bullshit. Remember this and then reread the NT. You will see that Jesus was trolling the retarded rabbis all along.
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Why did Jesus quote the OT?
"Again the Devil took him along to an unusually high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory, 9 and he said to him: “All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me.” 10 Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’” 11 Then the Devil left him, and, look! angels came and began to minister to him." Mt4
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No proof any god chose anyone.

None at all.

Its a claim with not proof at all intended to displace anyone not them from whatever they want because 'god told us its ours'.

Fact is that they think everything is theirs, permanently.

No soup, or anything for anyone else.
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The entirety of the OT is made up bullshit. Remember this and then reread the NT. You will see that Jesus was trolling the retarded rabbis all along.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51011746


Why did Jesus quote the OT?
"Again the Devil took him along to an unusually high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory, 9 and he said to him: “All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me.” 10 Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’” 11 Then the Devil left him, and, look! angels came and began to minister to him." Mt4
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Quite simply to get people off the wrong tract, they have be be convinced that their self centered bullshit tells them to move off of it.
You dont get progress by telling them they were fools following a fraudulent path, you tell them that natural progression from what they used to believe was to what should be.
Its not a fraud, it is constructive progression from dark to light, from automatic conflict to potential peace
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The entirety of the OT is made up bullshit. Remember this and then reread the NT. You will see that Jesus was trolling the retarded rabbis all along.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51011746

Yep. One example is when Jesus said "They have Moses and the prophets - let them hear them."
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Re: Did God chose Israel because they were better? Did they even exist when he made the covenant with Abraham?
Please apply MIND.. God IS MIND , Creator is the total of the universal creative consciousness and does not grant real estate. the "god" that chose Israel is your Antichrist Khazars. GROW UP. No God made any contract with Abraham either. Celestial Hierarchy did but not even close to the hype on that either. Did you KNOW the there was about to be nuclear/atomic war back then and that is why Melchizedek and not "god" came at the time? Your bible is terribly inaccurate.

ISRAEL means MOTHER FATHER GOD… They were a people from another planet who crash landed here and they did have more knowledge and they were given some celestial assistance and other planets helped them.

The "god" who gave the commandments were the PEOPLE FROM THE PLANET JEHOVAH which orbits Alcyone.. YOu can look up Alcyone… enough of all this stuff people.. Grow your hearts and your thinking and get on with it. God as Jesus taught is WITHIN YOUR MIND.
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Man, you are so... not correct.

Its really simple, ok? Bullshit you say? oh.. dear..

Jeez, planet called jehova? this reminds me of what Paul said in the latter days :P Read it, and believe it
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Re: Did God chose Israel because they were better? Did they even exist when he made the covenant with Abraham?
Are you saying the United Nations is "God"?
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Once upon a time there was a mountain range that divided the land. On either side, a village of happy people, each with their own customs and ideas about how things were. Now both these villages were rich in resources and so because of the plenty, there was no war. Certainly there was heated debate between the wise men and scholars about what was what and why this was that, but certainly nothing to lose one's head over.
Then one morning in the village on the west side of the mountain range, a change came, and the village elders realized their way of life was eventually doomed. What to do? Heck your brothers on the other side of the mountain aren't affected, and they aren't really brothers, their beliefs aren't even the same, my god, yes My GOD those pagans must be destroyed, and if we do it, then lo and behold GOD will provide! A nice self fulfilling prophecy, and nicely illustrates that mankind compartmentalizes itself just like other animals in order that in times of scarcity to prey on the weak in order for the species to survive. At the heart of all political and religious warfare is the matter of a lack of resources. The faithful need what they lack and other pagan tribes have in abundance. This is why even when a religion or political systems wins and becomes dominate in an area, it splinters into factions and repeats the cycle. Tower of Babel is a metaphor for the genesis of tribal warfare. We will always sort ourselves into groups and divisions in order to be able to prey on our fellow man during times of scarcity. And what is great, is by god, GOD sanctions even demands it, or so those in authority tell us as the whip us up into a blood lust frenzy. And since it is an all or none proposition, no guilt even, because at that point that other tribe isn't even human in your eyes anymore. Something subhuman, something that must be destroyed, marginalized at all cost.
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No proof any god chose anyone.

None at all.

Its a claim with not proof at all intended to displace anyone not them from whatever they want because 'god told us its ours'.

Fact is that they think everything is theirs, permanently.

No soup, or anything for anyone else.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50650716

Well, here is what God thinks:


": “For a certainty I perceive that God is not partial, 35 but in every nation the man that fears him and works righteousness is acceptable to him"- Acts 10:35
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narmer
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What is that an Egyptian bowling enthusiast?
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it is a king sacrificing his son

similar themes with Abram
 Quoting: rekameohsnad


Except God stopped Abraham from going through with it.....
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


yes, and that is also what happened above
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For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7:7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

7:8 But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

deuteronomy 7:6-8


Here you go, God will answer this question for you. Wonder how He knew you would be asking
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For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7:7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

7:8 But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

deuteronomy 7:6-8


Here you go, God will answer this question for you. Wonder how He knew you would be asking
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In May 2009, the United States Army returned the Ur site to the Iraqi authorities, who hope to develop it as a tourist destination.

Cause the Bible told you so?
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For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7:7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

7:8 But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

deuteronomy 7:6-8


Here you go, God will answer this question for you. Wonder how He knew you would be asking
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In May 2009, the United States Army returned the Ur site to the Iraqi authorities, who hope to develop it as a tourist destination.

Cause the Bible told you so?
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I don;t give a sht what they do. This is not the Israel of God. It is called killing Jesus family. What you are seeing now is a construct of the Rothchilds to bring in their false Messiah, of course, their Israel plays a role. And many more die daily
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Of course they did exist before Abraham... they are the children of Shem, King of Kings, the father of the Semite people... the blessed son of NOAH.
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BTW Abraham isn't a Semite at all... Abram-Ham is an ham-ite...

Pss Abra-Ham isn't even a man... but a women!!! a High priestess... Amra-Ham = Hamite Women.

But of course you people know not this simple things which were obscured the last 1000 years...
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BTW Abraham isn't a Semite at all... Abram-Ham is an ham-ite...

Pss Abra-Ham isn't even a man... but a women!!! a High priestess... Amra-Ham = Hamite Women.

But of course you people know not this simple things which were obscured the last 1000 years...
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Where do you get this sht from? Some cave dwelling gnostics fur sure. He was from Ur of the Chaldes - he was a devout pagan. God chose him to reveal His Name .
Read the Talmud - even they say Abram challenged the gods of the secret sects. Oh by the way, they never called him female, since he had two sons by a wife and a concubine. One was chosen, one was forsaken, which one do you follow?
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For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7:7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

7:8 But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

deuteronomy 7:6-8


Here you go, God will answer this question for you. Wonder how He knew you would be asking
 Quoting: Ohwow!


In May 2009, the United States Army returned the Ur site to the Iraqi authorities, who hope to develop it as a tourist destination.

Cause the Bible told you so?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19528613


I don;t give a sht what they do. This is not the Israel of God. It is called killing Jesus family. What you are seeing now is a construct of the Rothchilds to bring in their false Messiah, of course, their Israel plays a role. And many more die daily
 Quoting: Ohwow!


Can you explain more in depth your views on don;t give a sht? Thanks.

Chaldeans and other religious minorities in Iraq have endured extensive persecution since 2003, including the abductions and murders of their religious leaders, threats of violence or death if they do not abandon their homes and businesses, and the bombing or destruction of their churches and other places of worship. All this has occurred as anti-Christian emotions rise within Iraq. It reached its peak after the fall of Saddam and the rise of Shiite Muslims in the Iraqi government.
Father Ragheed Aziz Ganni, the pastor of the Chaldean Church of the Holy Spirit in Mosul who graduated from the Pontifical University of Saint Thomas Aquinas, Angelicum in Rome in 2003 with a licentiate in ecumenical theology, was killed on 3 June 2007 in Mosul, Iraq alongside the subdeacons Basman Yousef Daud, Wahid Hanna Isho, and Gassan Isam Bidawed, after he celebrated mass.
Chaldean Archbishop Paulos Faraj Rahho and three companions were abducted on 29 February 2008, Mosul, Iraq, and murdered a few days later.
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BTW Abraham isn't a Semite at all... Abram-Ham is an ham-ite...

Pss Abra-Ham isn't even a man... but a women!!! a High priestess... Amra-Ham = Hamite Women.

But of course you people know not this simple things which were obscured the last 1000 years...
 Quoting: The Golden Man in The Moon 49962119


Where do you get this sht from? Some cave dwelling gnostics fur sure. He was from Ur of the Chaldes - he was a devout pagan. God chose him to reveal His Name .
Read the Talmud - even they say Abram challenged the gods of the secret sects. Oh by the way, they never called him female, since he had two sons by a wife and a concubine. One was chosen, one was forsaken, which one do you follow?
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Abraham never had any covenant with GOD... its with Melchizedek that Amra-Ham had a covenant... He(Melchizedek) the leader(King aka High Priest)) of the Semite people and She, the Queen(High priestess) of the Ham-ite people had made a secret covenant with GOD as witness...

Two Nations became one... by marriage of the King of Semite people and Queen of Hamite paopla and this angered the Canaanites...

Where I do get this things you ask... well let me say that its GOD who told me, I by my own wouldn't know this obscure things!
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Tell me about the Malabar rites.

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