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Counterfeit Christianity. Christian TV Evangelists who have joined Illuminati ranks Then & Now. Look close and pay attention.

 
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there is NO unknown prayer language between men and God. there is NO scriptural support for such unknown prayer language. there is NO scriptural support for a reason or need for an unknown prayer language.

tongues were human foreign KNOWN languages and dialects that were spoken commonly among very human peoples in real countries/cities/regions and were given to the disciples for the purpose of teaching the gospel of Christ and establishing churches all over the world.

period, end of sentence.
 Quoting: Salt


well I have to disagree, praying in the Spirit is an unknown language, one on One, the poster is right.
 Quoting: furPete'sSake


it is NOT an unknown language
it might be an unknown piece of information
about an unknown situation
but it is NEVER an unknown language
 Quoting: Salt


but you have no way of knowing that. Your relationship with God may not be similar to some other one's.
Paul himself referred to tongues of angels, and there is no reason to think that Heaven is limited to the language of the earth.
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then of course, there is music, it's a language that many understand and others never will, having not the gift for it
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first and foremost, God speaks to us thru scripture. sometimes we get a word or a phrase or an unction
sometimes we get a person who brings something to us that we know, we just know, was from God for our hearing.

sometimes God speaks to us by using no words whatsoever


but, it will never be hysteria producing jibberish, or unknown syllables.
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first and foremost, God speaks to us thru scripture. sometimes we get a word or a phrase or an unction
sometimes we get a person who brings something to us that we know, we just know, was from God for our hearing.

sometimes God speaks to us by using no words whatsoever


but, it will never be hysteria producing jibberish, or unknown syllables.
 Quoting: Salt


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first and foremost, God speaks to us thru scripture. sometimes we get a word or a phrase or an unction
sometimes we get a person who brings something to us that we know, we just know, was from God for our hearing.

sometimes God speaks to us by using no words whatsoever


but, it will never be hysteria producing jibberish, or unknown syllables.
 Quoting: Salt


bump
 Quoting: GT500


lol, what is that groaning sound?

Romans 8:26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express.”
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Yeah the bible says they will cease. At the end. Not in 70 ad.
Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord God does nothing,
Unless He reveals His secret to
His servants the prophets.

Zec 13
In that day a fountain shall be opened for the house of David and for the inhabitants of Jerusalem,
for sin and uncleanness
Zec 13:2 I will also cause the prophets and unclean spirits to depart from the land
Zec 13:4 And it shall be in that day that every prophet will be ashamed of his vision when he prophesies; they will not wear a robe of coarse hair to deceive.

Ok, it says right here that prophecy will end when The fountain flows in Jerusalem at the end of the trib. Nothing about 70 ad..

Corinthians 13
Though I speak with the tongues of men and angels,
but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging symbol
Cor 13:2
And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
Cor 14:22 Therefore tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers, but prophesying is not for unbelievers but for those who believe.

Corinthians 13 and 14 talk about the gifts, how could they have been done away with in 70 ad.
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Bump, bumpity, bump-bump.

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The universe responds NOT to what you want... it responds to what you are being... are you being what you want?

Politicians are like diapers; they need to be changed often and for the same reason. ~ Mark Twain

What you give attention to, you give power to.

Truth is everywhere; in shadow and in light. If you seek it with your heart, you shall find it.

Does anyone actually read these??
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there is NO unknown prayer language between men and God. there is NO scriptural support for such unknown prayer language. there is NO scriptural support for a reason or need for an unknown prayer language.

tongues were human foreign KNOWN languages and dialects that were spoken commonly among very human peoples in real countries/cities/regions and were given to the disciples for the purpose of teaching the gospel of Christ and establishing churches all over the world.

period, end of sentence.
 Quoting: Salt


well I have to disagree, praying in the Spirit is an unknown language, one on One, the poster is right.
 Quoting: furPete'sSake


it is NOT an unknown language
it might be an unknown piece of information
about an unknown situation
but it is NEVER an unknown language
 Quoting: Salt


but you have no way of knowing that. Your relationship with God may not be similar to some other one's.
Paul himself referred to tongues of angels, and there is no reason to think that Heaven is limited to the language of the earth.
 Quoting: furPete'sSake


Totally true, my Friend, the Spirit and the Words of God/language are ALIVE and eternal and irrevocable...the language of God is working in the world and universe...we would be presumptuous to think that His language would be earthly and limited...

Therefore the need for interpretation....

Peacehf

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first and foremost, God speaks to us thru scripture. sometimes we get a word or a phrase or an unction
sometimes we get a person who brings something to us that we know, we just know, was from God for our hearing.

sometimes God speaks to us by using no words whatsoever


but, it will never be hysteria producing jibberish, or unknown syllables.
 Quoting: Salt


bump
 Quoting: GT500


lol, what is that groaning sound?

Romans 8:26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express.”
 Quoting: furPete'sSake


well, i knew Rom 8:26 was coming, because this is the pivotal scriptures that the pentacostals and charismatics lean on to grant permission to their false doctrine

what Paul is saying here is that no matter what we pray to God, no matter what words we use, whatever we say or ask for, we don't know how to approach the throne of God. in other words, we don't know what to pray, we don't know what to say, but God does. in this way, the Holy Spirit intercedes for us, filling the gap. that is between the HS and God. we do not hear it.
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In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words; 27 and Hewho searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the [a]saints according to the will of God
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well I have to disagree, praying in the Spirit is an unknown language, one on One, the poster is right.
 Quoting: furPete'sSake


it is NOT an unknown language
it might be an unknown piece of information
about an unknown situation
but it is NEVER an unknown language
 Quoting: Salt


but you have no way of knowing that. Your relationship with God may not be similar to some other one's.
Paul himself referred to tongues of angels, and there is no reason to think that Heaven is limited to the language of the earth.
 Quoting: furPete'sSake


Totally true, my Friend, the Spirit and the Words of God/language are ALIVE and eternal and irrevocable...the language of God is working in the world and universe...we would be presumptuous to think that His language would be earthly and limited...

Therefore the need for interpretation....

Peacehf
 Quoting: daughter in NYC


yes, but as we see from the verse in Romans, we don't always know what or how, to pray effectively and so the HS, in us, takes over. Again, purely private, no need for any interpreters
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OP I've seen many posts from you and you seem to be sincerely searching for truth.... and I appreciate that you quote Scripture to back up and defend your beliefs.

So, in that vein, I have a question: how do these two Scriptures get accomplished if - as you and a few others in this thread have mentioned - we all just stay home and "have a personal relationship with him"?

"I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word; in order that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, in order that the world may believe that you sent me forth." (John 17:20, 21)

"Now I exhort YOU, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ that YOU should all speak in agreement, and that there should not be divisions among YOU, but that YOU may be fitly united in the same mind and in the same line of thought." (1 Corinthians 1:10)

These Scriptures (and many others) show that true Christians would be a united worldwide brotherhood, as in, they would be in agreement and not divided. Christendom with its many thousands of variations can hardly claim to be united. Is there such a worldwide, united brotherhood? Is there anybody out there that's sincerely following Jesus' command to "make disciples of people of all the earth" (Matt 28:19,20)? Is there any group that's known for displaying the identifying mark of true Christians as shown at John 13:34,35... "by this all will know that YOU are my disciples, if YOU have love among yourselves"? Love of brotherhood to the point of helping out when those of our same faith are undergoing trials and tribulations. Love of neighbors to the point of sharing the gems of truths found in God's Word the Bible? These also would be imprisoned for not wanting to participate in the wars of this world regardless of what nation they live in (what love is there in that?). Love that is shown when being slandered, being mocked, withstanding beatings, and even being killed for their faith (and not retaliating in any way).

There is such a group... you don't have to look too far... they'll actually come to your door... are you truly listening/searching? They'd have to be Christians to do all that! Isn't that the model Jesus and his apostles showed us in the Bible?

If you're looking for perfection you're not going to find it for only Jesus was perfect. But his true followers should at least unequivocally meet those two criteria: be united and have love amongst themselves. It is impossible for all who claim to be Christians to be true Christians if they don't meet these two rather simple tests... spoken by none other than by the one who initiated Christianity.
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first and foremost, God speaks to us thru scripture. sometimes we get a word or a phrase or an unction
sometimes we get a person who brings something to us that we know, we just know, was from God for our hearing.

sometimes God speaks to us by using no words whatsoever


but, it will never be hysteria producing jibberish, or unknown syllables.
 Quoting: Salt


bump
 Quoting: GT500


lol, what is that groaning sound?

Romans 8:26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express.”
 Quoting: furPete'sSake


well, i knew Rom 8:26 was coming, because this is the pivotal scriptures that the pentacostals and charismatics lean on to grant permission to their false doctrine

what Paul is saying here is that no matter what we pray to God, no matter what words we use, whatever we say or ask for, we don't know how to approach the throne of God. in other words, we don't know what to pray, we don't know what to say, but God does. in this way, the Holy Spirit intercedes for us, filling the gap. that is between the HS and God. we do not hear it.
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Well you cant dismiss what the bible says whether a group focuses on it or not. Besides I don't think Pentecostals do a lot of groaning, we fundies are the groaners
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lol, what is that groaning sound?

Romans 8:26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express.”
 Quoting: furPete'sSake


well, i knew Rom 8:26 was coming, because this is the pivotal scriptures that the pentacostals and charismatics lean on to grant permission to their false doctrine

what Paul is saying here is that no matter what we pray to God, no matter what words we use, whatever we say or ask for, we don't know how to approach the throne of God. in other words, we don't know what to pray, we don't know what to say, but God does. in this way, the Holy Spirit intercedes for us, filling the gap. that is between the HS and God. we do not hear it.
 Quoting: Salt


Well you cant dismiss what the bible says whether a group focuses on it or not. Besides I don't think Pentecostals do a lot of groaning, we fundies are the groaners
 Quoting: furPete'sSake


well that's my point entirely
we do not do the groanings
the HS does the groanings
and it is not in our hearing
but in intercession for us to God.
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I know that, it was a joke poking fun at me
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lol, what is that groaning sound?

Romans 8:26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express.”
 Quoting: furPete'sSake


well, i knew Rom 8:26 was coming, because this is the pivotal scriptures that the pentacostals and charismatics lean on to grant permission to their false doctrine

what Paul is saying here is that no matter what we pray to God, no matter what words we use, whatever we say or ask for, we don't know how to approach the throne of God. in other words, we don't know what to pray, we don't know what to say, but God does. in this way, the Holy Spirit intercedes for us, filling the gap. that is between the HS and God. we do not hear it.
 Quoting: Salt


Well you cant dismiss what the bible says whether a group focuses on it or not. Besides I don't think Pentecostals do a lot of groaning, we fundies are the groaners
 Quoting: furPete'sSake


well that's my point entirely
we do not do the groanings
the HS does the groanings
and it is not in our hearing
but in intercession for us to God.
 Quoting: Salt


and that was my point anyway, it can be a private matter between God and a person, and it can be in a language unknown to any of us, which is what you were denying
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strong's

"groanings" in the hebrew/aramaic

'anachah an·ä·khä' sighing, groanings, sighs, mourning

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first and foremost, God speaks to us thru scripture. sometimes we get a word or a phrase or an unction
sometimes we get a person who brings something to us that we know, we just know, was from God for our hearing.

sometimes God speaks to us by using no words whatsoever


but, it will never be hysteria producing jibberish, or unknown syllables.
 Quoting: Salt


bump
 Quoting: GT500


lol, what is that groaning sound?

Romans 8:26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express.”
 Quoting: furPete'sSake


well, i knew Rom 8:26 was coming, because this is the pivotal scriptures that the pentacostals and charismatics lean on to grant permission to their false doctrine

what Paul is saying here is that no matter what we pray to God, no matter what words we use, whatever we say or ask for, we don't know how to approach the throne of God. in other words, we don't know what to pray, we don't know what to say, but God does. in this way, the Holy Spirit intercedes for us, filling the gap. that is between the HS and God. we do not hear it.
 Quoting: Salt

The Spirit is inside each of us and the spirit gives us utterance. This is Holy Spirit coming through us, as he dwells in us. I feel I am doing what God is requiring of me because I am His servant.
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lol, what is that groaning sound?

Romans 8:26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express.”
 Quoting: furPete'sSake


well, i knew Rom 8:26 was coming, because this is the pivotal scriptures that the pentacostals and charismatics lean on to grant permission to their false doctrine

what Paul is saying here is that no matter what we pray to God, no matter what words we use, whatever we say or ask for, we don't know how to approach the throne of God. in other words, we don't know what to pray, we don't know what to say, but God does. in this way, the Holy Spirit intercedes for us, filling the gap. that is between the HS and God. we do not hear it.
 Quoting: Salt

The Spirit is inside each of us and the spirit gives us utterance. This is Holy Spirit coming through us, as he dwells in us. I feel I am doing what God is requiring of me because I am His servant.
 Quoting: bigD111


provide for me at least one scripture that states that you are to take on the same audible language as the Holy Spirit and speak it in your prayers and prayers over others as a requirement as a servant of God.

i'll wait.
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now they're all just in it for the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. They don't believe any of that horseshit anymore than the rest of the people. I cannot believe people allow themselves to be controlled by cults/lunatics. The Zionists really came up with something when they invented that religion shit. I try and respect anyone who is religious unless they try and lay that shit on me. Anyone who knows me, knows better because I explain to them why it is bullshit. Lets just talk about something cool instead.
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lol, what is that groaning sound?

Romans 8:26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express.”
 Quoting: furPete'sSake


well, i knew Rom 8:26 was coming, because this is the pivotal scriptures that the pentacostals and charismatics lean on to grant permission to their false doctrine

what Paul is saying here is that no matter what we pray to God, no matter what words we use, whatever we say or ask for, we don't know how to approach the throne of God. in other words, we don't know what to pray, we don't know what to say, but God does. in this way, the Holy Spirit intercedes for us, filling the gap. that is between the HS and God. we do not hear it.
 Quoting: Salt

The Spirit is inside each of us and the spirit gives us utterance. This is Holy Spirit coming through us, as he dwells in us. I feel I am doing what God is requiring of me because I am His servant.
 Quoting: bigD111


provide for me at least one scripture that states that you are to take on the same audible language as the Holy Spirit and speak it in your prayers and prayers over others as a requirement as a servant of God.

i'll wait.
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I think you are now into apples and oranges as well as pomegranates, but there are verses that tell us to pray always in the Spirit. I don't know how others do it, I just ask for the HS's help.
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lol, what is that groaning sound?

Romans 8:26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express.”
 Quoting: furPete'sSake


well, i knew Rom 8:26 was coming, because this is the pivotal scriptures that the pentacostals and charismatics lean on to grant permission to their false doctrine

what Paul is saying here is that no matter what we pray to God, no matter what words we use, whatever we say or ask for, we don't know how to approach the throne of God. in other words, we don't know what to pray, we don't know what to say, but God does. in this way, the Holy Spirit intercedes for us, filling the gap. that is between the HS and God. we do not hear it.
 Quoting: Salt

The Spirit is inside each of us and the spirit gives us utterance. This is Holy Spirit coming through us, as he dwells in us. I feel I am doing what God is requiring of me because I am His servant.
 Quoting: bigD111


provide for me at least one scripture that states that you are to take on the same audible language as the Holy Spirit and speak it in your prayers and prayers over others as a requirement as a servant of God.

i'll wait.
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You show me where it is listed in scripture that the gifts ended in 70 ad. From what I saw you post it is somebodys interpretation.
It is what the gift of tongues is. Holy Spirit praying through us to God.
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well, i knew Rom 8:26 was coming, because this is the pivotal scriptures that the pentacostals and charismatics lean on to grant permission to their false doctrine

what Paul is saying here is that no matter what we pray to God, no matter what words we use, whatever we say or ask for, we don't know how to approach the throne of God. in other words, we don't know what to pray, we don't know what to say, but God does. in this way, the Holy Spirit intercedes for us, filling the gap. that is between the HS and God. we do not hear it.
 Quoting: Salt

The Spirit is inside each of us and the spirit gives us utterance. This is Holy Spirit coming through us, as he dwells in us. I feel I am doing what God is requiring of me because I am His servant.
 Quoting: bigD111


provide for me at least one scripture that states that you are to take on the same audible language as the Holy Spirit and speak it in your prayers and prayers over others as a requirement as a servant of God.

i'll wait.
 Quoting: Salt


I think you are now into apples and oranges as well as pomegranates, but there are verses that tell us to pray always in the Spirit. I don't know how others do it, I just ask for the HS's help.
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no i'm not.
i want to see scriptural support that believers are to take on and speak an audible language that is the same language of the Holy Spirit.
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The Spirit is inside each of us and the spirit gives us utterance. This is Holy Spirit coming through us, as he dwells in us. I feel I am doing what God is requiring of me because I am His servant.
 Quoting: bigD111


provide for me at least one scripture that states that you are to take on the same audible language as the Holy Spirit and speak it in your prayers and prayers over others as a requirement as a servant of God.

i'll wait.
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I think you are now into apples and oranges as well as pomegranates, but there are verses that tell us to pray always in the Spirit. I don't know how others do it, I just ask for the HS's help.
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no i'm not.
i want to see scriptural support that believers are to take on and spean an audible language that is the same language of the Holy Spirit.
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Ok, you are twisting what we said. We do not say we speak the same language as the Holy Spirit, we are saying the Holy Spirit through the language the Spirit gives us, aids us in our prayers with God. Simple.
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The Spirit is inside each of us and the spirit gives us utterance. This is Holy Spirit coming through us, as he dwells in us. I feel I am doing what God is requiring of me because I am His servant.
 Quoting: bigD111


provide for me at least one scripture that states that you are to take on the same audible language as the Holy Spirit and speak it in your prayers and prayers over others as a requirement as a servant of God.

i'll wait.
 Quoting: Salt


I think you are now into apples and oranges as well as pomegranates, but there are verses that tell us to pray always in the Spirit. I don't know how others do it, I just ask for the HS's help.
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no i'm not.
i want to see scriptural support that believers are to take on and spean an audible language that is the same language of the Holy Spirit.
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well I have no such belief so cant help you there
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Rom 8:28, like any other scripture sound bite, needs to be put into context. In this case, we need to go back to Rom 8:18 and read forward from there.

Paul is writing about how the entirety of creation is "groaning" - awaiting restoration, renewal, and redemption. And as part of God's good creation, we "groan" for that time, too.

Unlike so many who teach that God's plan is to abandon His creation and rescue us out of that evil physical stuff to "go to heaven when we die," here is Paul teaching that God will rescue the entirety of creation when Christ returns to this earth.
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provide for me at least one scripture that states that you are to take on the same audible language as the Holy Spirit and speak it in your prayers and prayers over others as a requirement as a servant of God.

i'll wait.
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I think you are now into apples and oranges as well as pomegranates, but there are verses that tell us to pray always in the Spirit. I don't know how others do it, I just ask for the HS's help.
 Quoting: furPete'sSake


no i'm not.
i want to see scriptural support that believers are to take on and spean an audible language that is the same language of the Holy Spirit.
 Quoting: Salt


Ok, you are twisting what we said. We do not say we speak the same language as the Holy Spirit, we are saying the Holy Spirit through the language the Spirit gives us, aids us in our prayers with God. Simple.
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ok, then i want to see scriptural support that says that you have to speak in unknown non-human languages in your own prayers and/or your prayers over others.
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provide for me at least one scripture that states that you are to take on the same audible language as the Holy Spirit and speak it in your prayers and prayers over others as a requirement as a servant of God.

i'll wait.
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I think you are now into apples and oranges as well as pomegranates, but there are verses that tell us to pray always in the Spirit. I don't know how others do it, I just ask for the HS's help.
 Quoting: furPete'sSake


no i'm not.
i want to see scriptural support that believers are to take on and spean an audible language that is the same language of the Holy Spirit.
 Quoting: Salt


Ok, you are twisting what we said. We do not say we speak the same language as the Holy Spirit, we are saying the Holy Spirit through the language the Spirit gives us, aids us in our prayers with God. Simple.
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that's what the verse in Romans says
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I think you are now into apples and oranges as well as pomegranates, but there are verses that tell us to pray always in the Spirit. I don't know how others do it, I just ask for the HS's help.
 Quoting: furPete'sSake


no i'm not.
i want to see scriptural support that believers are to take on and spean an audible language that is the same language of the Holy Spirit.
 Quoting: Salt


Ok, you are twisting what we said. We do not say we speak the same language as the Holy Spirit, we are saying the Holy Spirit through the language the Spirit gives us, aids us in our prayers with God. Simple.
 Quoting: bigD111


ok, then i want to see scriptural support that says that you have to speak in unknown non-human languages in your own prayers and/or your prayers over others.
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I don't think anything I came up with would matter, so I am going to leave it at that.
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Rom 8:28, like any other scripture sound bite, needs to be put into context. In this case, we need to go back to Rom 8:18 and read forward from there.

Paul is writing about how the entirety of creation is "groaning" - awaiting restoration, renewal, and redemption. And as part of God's good creation, we "groan" for that time, too.

Unlike so many who teach that God's plan is to abandon His creation and rescue us out of that evil physical stuff to "go to heaven when we die," here is Paul teaching that God will rescue the entirety of creation when Christ returns to this earth.
 Quoting: Life and Love


Christ is making all things new, we are the new Creation, and all creation waits for it, yes, I agree with you

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