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Counterfeit Christianity. Christian TV Evangelists who have joined Illuminati ranks Then & Now. Look close and pay attention.

 
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I brought up a question and asked for advice it just went nowhere no-one cared to respond?
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Funny, but very revealing and truthful.
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I don't go to any church any more I was caught up in Mormonism at an age in my early 20's I have denounced it for a very long time- but seriously don't know where to turn or go! I would like to know about being reborn and the Holy Spirit but where to go for this baptism whom to trust? I have had a lot of conflict regarding this!
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don't worry about anything but pray about everything
the church is two things - first, its the body of believers in Christ and second, its the temple house of worship. if you can't find a temple, pray and God will send you where you are probably needed and can also get fed spiritually. while you wait, trust God and have church with Him one on one every day.
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Then why is it that they cannot articulate what the Gospel is, let alone what the Gospel is for? And heaven forbid they actually live into the Gospel's purpose.

(And I have known several, too.)
 Quoting: Life and Love


That is a bold assumption. "Then why is it that they cannot articulate what the Gospel is?" Have you ever even listened to one of them for more than just a hit job by these youtube "prophets" who discredit anyone who teaches that Healing, Prosperity, Happiness comes from God? They do articulate what the Gospel is. Many of these ministries are extremely active internationally and fund many overseas missionaries. Rinehard Bonnke for example is funded by some of the largest and wealthiest ministries in America. The very ministries that this entire thread is discrediting.

Rinehard Bonnke is considered the Billy Graham of Africa and many other nations. Benny Hinn has led Millions to Christ as well in other countries.

But inform me please. What are they NOT articulating about the Gospel?
 Quoting: Red X Raider


A thread cannot discredit anyone. A post cannot discredit anyone. Only a person can discredit themselves.

In light of some of the things you have written, I stand by my original statement.
 Quoting: Life and Love


It's pointless with you people sometimes. You stand back and criticize these ministries but then you have no proof. you don't care one bit to come onto a thread to speak bad about them but when asked facts you say "a thread cannot discredit anyone"

Why did you even come to this thread in the first place if you wasn't convinced this thread spoke truth about them?
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This is what you should do. Take the Bible and see if what they say is from the Bible. Just remember satan and his demons are very sly. They twist the Bible just enough that if you do not know it, than you are fooled. I must say that if you cannot see through Benny Hinn than your right eye has been put out. The guy is a liar and he committed adultery with Paula White. His lying prophecies are just that a bunch of lies, and you think that is from God. You should quit following men and start following Jesus
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I don't go to any church any more I was caught up in Mormonism at an age in my early 20's I have denounced it for a very long time- but seriously don't know where to turn or go! I would like to know about being reborn and the Holy Spirit but where to go for this baptism whom to trust? I have had a lot of conflict regarding this!
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don't worry about anything but pray about everything
the church is two things - first, its the body of believers in Christ and second, its the temple house of worship. if you can't find a temple, pray and God will send you where you are probably needed and can also get fed spiritually. while you wait, trust God and have church with Him one on one every day.
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For those in the know, the wait for our time can be frustrating.
Salt, keep up the good work
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The wheat and the tares grow together, trying to uproot the tares will destroy the wheat too, let God sort them out
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 Quoting: Salt


Funny, but very revealing and truthful.
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LOL, yeah Benny Hinn and Mike Murdock are such tools. I'm glad Trey Smith broke into his house and raped his belongings.

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Hey there, Salt.... Good thread.

I find it very difficult to accept ANY of the television evangelist as the genuine article. I believe most of them, if not all of them are money-grubbing scum.

Be aware of false idols.... This covers celebrities, sports figures, and televangelists.
"Moral of the story is I chose a half measure when I should have gone all the way. I'll never make that mistake again.

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I thank you for the response it sounds right. I have a hard time comprehending a lot in the Bible as there are contradictions and such I would like advice on a good one to read and are the audio ones as good as some claim?
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I don't go to any church any more I was caught up in Mormonism at an age in my early 20's I have denounced it for a very long time- but seriously don't know where to turn or go! I would like to know about being reborn and the Holy Spirit but where to go for this baptism whom to trust? I have had a lot of conflict regarding this!
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To be reborn is found in Romans 10:9,10. Believe that Jesus died on the cross, shed his blood for the forgiveness of sins, and when you repent you also turn away from your sins. By faith you must believe that you are born again. To be baptized in water, any believer can baptize. If not go to church and be they will baptize you. Water baptism will not save you but Jesus said for us to do it.

Start reading your Bible daily, I like the KJV but it is hard to understand, so NKJV or NIV. I really hope you accept Jesus into your heart today. You will have the angels in heaven rejoicing that you came to Christ. God Bless and I will be praying for you.
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I don't go to any church any more I was caught up in Mormonism at an age in my early 20's I have denounced it for a very long time- but seriously don't know where to turn or go! I would like to know about being reborn and the Holy Spirit but where to go for this baptism whom to trust? I have had a lot of conflict regarding this!
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don't worry about anything but pray about everything
the church is two things - first, its the body of believers in Christ and second, its the temple house of worship. if you can't find a temple, pray and God will send you where you are probably needed and can also get fed spiritually. while you wait, trust God and have church with Him one on one every day.
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Come out of her My people! That is what God is saying to church going Christians. Watch and see. The deception is to bring them under the one world religion. Nice thread Salt!
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Good post. The thing I notice about all of them is their dark aura. They just have a real creepy energy about them. I can hardly watch them, but Olstein hides it the best, He still has the wonky left eye from the ritual abuse and his wife has very evil eyes.
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I thank you for the response it sounds right. I have a hard time comprehending a lot in the Bible as there are contradictions and such I would like advice on a good one to read and are the audio ones as good as some claim?
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get a study bible. the NIV has a good one.
pray about it. God knows what you need and He will provide

Jesus said "if you abide in me and I in you then you can ask the desires of your heart and I will give them to you"
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Good post. The thing I notice about all of them is their dark aura. They just have a real creepy energy about them. I can hardly watch them, but Olstein hides it the best, He still has the wonky left eye from the ritual abuse and his wife has very evil eyes.
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ritual abuse?

linky?
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What a sermon James gave at the end of his performance!
Government is a body largely ungoverned.
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Not much use running around pointing out devils when folks still can't recognize the one that's been sitting under their own noses for two thousand years
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Ever see the movie "Leap of Faith"?
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I thank you for the response it sounds right. I have a hard time comprehending a lot in the Bible as there are contradictions and such I would like advice on a good one to read and are the audio ones as good as some claim?
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get a study bible. the NIV has a good one.
pray about it. God knows what you need and He will provide

Jesus said "if you abide in me and I in you then you can ask the desires of your heart and I will give them to you"
 Quoting: Salt


NIV
I object to such things as Jesus went to Egypt with his mother and father. Leaven. It should say Jesus went to Egypt with his mother and Joseph. Subliminal, but that is how the mind works.
Government is a body largely ungoverned.
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I don't go to any church any more I was caught up in Mormonism at an age in my early 20's I have denounced it for a very long time- but seriously don't know where to turn or go! I would like to know about being reborn and the Holy Spirit but where to go for this baptism whom to trust? I have had a lot of conflict regarding this!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51157473


To be reborn is found in Romans 10:9,10. Believe that Jesus died on the cross, shed his blood for the forgiveness of sins, and when you repent you also turn away from your sins. By faith you must believe that you are born again. To be baptized in water, any believer can baptize. If not go to church and be they will baptize you. Water baptism will not save you but Jesus said for us to do it.

Start reading your Bible daily, I like the KJV but it is hard to understand, so NKJV or NIV. I really hope you accept Jesus into your heart today. You will have the angels in heaven rejoicing that you came to Christ. God Bless and I will be praying for you.
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Baptism is an outward sign of an inner change. Symbolic acts can be good.
Government is a body largely ungoverned.
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You will pass through this Stargate with your entire and whole body and this is some very complex and complicated process running wholly by itself and being steered by your own soul.

The last human being passing through his own portal will decide upon it himself.

Now it has been planned in such way that all portals will be closed at due course and this closing is being safeguarded by the “Master-Gatekeepers”.

The latter ones will close all Stargates and from this point ascension will not be possible anymore. When this will happen has not been laid down until now because we are still in the flow of change and have still do adjustments according to it.

Still, we now assume that it will be somewhere in the middle of next year when the last ones will change dimensions.

We shall observe these ongoings and will inform you subsequently about it.

Q: when will be the actual process of ascension be completed and when shall we start with the construction of Nova Earth?

Re: this is quite an interesting question which was posed in 2nd position of our list. Because of inexplicable reasons here we shall not respond to it today but in some of the next following messages.

With “inexplicable” I mean that still we do not comprehend what this very question is hinting at, my beloved humans.

All the so-called “Fast-Food-Readers” here according to the expression of our channel – they have read so many articles but still have not been able to comprehend what it is all about and how this will be functioning.

Even this channel is not able in-between to have some clue about it although he is nearest to its solution. He is been advised by me not to disclose anything about it and never to respond to this question in any way – and thus it will be henceforth ….

Q: when will all humans already ascended into the 5th dimension be brought together with their families ?

R: And this is one of the most difficult question to be replied to. You should know that everybody having arrived in the 5th dimension will be given an individual task so that each one will be brought to his/her individual location according to it – staying somewhere on the planet or in the air resp. space.

You will be – at your arrival – notified about the whereabouts of your beloved ones and you shall be capable to get into contact with them.

Now we have to deal with the last question today.

Q: when shall the Master-Gatekeeper change for the 5th Dimension?

R: This question too has to be responded in some individual way.

All the Master-Gatekeepers are being divided according to the individual Gates and dimensions and because of this fact all gates will have differing times of closures and consequently thus the Master-Gatekeepers will change over to higher dimension at varying time-lines.

My beloved humans, these were the very first questions which we felt compelled to respond to. Many more will follow but still in some weeks from now.

There are more important matters which we have to deal with in our messages than merely to reply to your questions here – which in fact you partly may be able to respond to by yourselves if you would try to come into direct contact with your guides, your Higher Selves, etc.

They could be of some wonderful assistance to you and you are relieved from caring from any other channeled messages in due course. You only have to be prepared for it in your inner hearts.

I now shall turn over to my son Raphael and can assure you that all that is to come will be of some heavy sort. ISON, the Comet, will find its according publication in your media all the more in due time.

You only have to exert some more patience and then everything will go its due course. The President of the United States of America will make the first GO and announcing all the news which so many people have been waiting for since long ago:

NESARA
FIRST CONTACT
EDUCATION/ INFORMATION will be introduced and
ELIMINATION OF HUMANS without any protection neither nutrition will have an end altogether
Look up into the sky ! Once you came down from it and they will arrive here again from thereabout !!!

Return of Jesus Christ is here now! The 2nd arrival of the “Divine” Unfortunately completely misunderstood by many human beings and that is why we shall lift this very secret within our next following message.

Many of you are already cognizant of the real truth and all the others may get aware of it eventually now. The Son of God, Jesus Christ, he will not come – however you will get to know what it is all about it.

All of you not being in the know – you will be surprised about all that I am going to submit to you. Be prepared to accept your very own divinity.

Be prepared for all that will come. Be prepared to receive all the Love of God and be prepared to do everything and to learn about it when the right comprehension and the right time is upon you.

Raphael, it is all yours now!

My beloved humans, I, ArchAngel Raphael shall now conclude our message with the words of our heavenly Father:

Be welcome here, Children of God, Greetings to all of you and accept your true very own Divinity now. Amen.

With such great Love to all of you, human beings

Raphael and The Father

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I thank you for the response it sounds right. I have a hard time comprehending a lot in the Bible as there are contradictions and such I would like advice on a good one to read and are the audio ones as good as some claim?
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get a study bible. the NIV has a good one.
pray about it. God knows what you need and He will provide

Jesus said "if you abide in me and I in you then you can ask the desires of your heart and I will give them to you"
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do i have to throw the ban hammer
get on topic or get out
its as simple as that
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Do you even understand "the topic"?

I see you are offended and realize the charlatans are what they are, but are you able to disregard God's Call Upon your own heart, just to correct this situation?

Here is THE TOPIC you have presented, whether you understand it or not...

From Matthew ch 13:
10. And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?


11. He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12. For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.


13. Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:


15. For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.





Salt,
You say on page 1:
"it's getting harder and harder to see who's legit and who's an evil agent."

Were you Born-Again, The Holy Spirit would Give you to Know those others who are HIS. You meet them, HE Gives you to Know they are also HIS.

Jesus Witnesses several very profound Truths in the Scripture cited above:
-Those not Given To Know The Mysteries Of Heaven will have the knowledge they may have taken away
-HE Uses Parables to assure that those who can't Hear & See The Gospel with their hearts, will not understand.
-HE does NOT want to heal those who can't Hear/See with their heart


Your topic is of no concern to God.
HE Knows those who are HIS.
Jesus Witnesses that even those who "do miracles, prophesy and cast-out demons" In HIS Name, are UnKnown BY HIM because these Christians are not yet Born-Again..

Here is ST. John's Born-Again Witness:
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.


This is Laodicea.
If YOU Would Be Delivered from it, time to make your surrender Unto The Father.


Lots of Pseudo-Christians on this board these days.
They also exercise "the ban hammer" (from their threads) when I bring Jesus' Witness to their attention.

Unable to consider God's Word, HIS Witness?
Then what really motivates the Pseudo-Christian's heart?
Are they jealous of the money the charlatans fleece?
ARe they offended because the charlatans aren't as pious or outwardly religious as they are?

Can be any number of reasons. Carnality knows no bounds as it is a heart not submitted/surrendered Unto God...


Not much longer.
Not gonna be anymore TV or widespread anti-Christ bullshitting.

The Pseudos think they are Known BY HIM and because they think/live by WWJD. Means nothing.

You have either given your life to God, stood In Father's Presence and Know that HE Accepted the offering you made of your life; or you are apart from HIM...


That is all that matters.
Your Relationship With HIM, or lack thereof.

Your topic is really "the world", not TV preachers being anti-Christ.

Jesus Witnesses in John 17:
14. I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
15. I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
16. They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17. Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.


Pseudos here show great hatred for The Word.
Were it any other way, I would be concerned.

The witness I bring to your thread and all that I post is HIS Truth, but you would have to be HIS to Know this for sure.

Those giving false-witness are anti-Christ.
Liars who are not Born-Again, misleading the innocents who are really seeking.
Jesus says "better they should never have been born than to cause one of my innocents to stumble"...


What matters is YOUR HEART and whether you can Come Unto The Father or choose not to...

For many are called, but few are chosen.

Up to you to make your choice, to elect to surrender.
Surrender is The Way Jesus Made through HIS Sacrifice which allows us to Come Unto The Father.

"No man Cometh Unto The Father But BY ME" John 14:6


If you would BE HIS, nothing else matters but your making your surrender so you might Be A Partaker In HIS Victory!
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I thank you for some of the responses as I will try to utilize all that has been given in advice --I tried a celebrate recovery church and it was filled with people hitting on all the girls who came mostly so they all could hookup!It was amazing to watch as well as the band wanted to play music -mostly rock and have everyone raise their hands and get into some kind of phase -I stopped going there also! It is really hard to know a good church and what -but SAlT you had good advice and I will seek as such-
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The BIG one..

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Colorful history. Would not buy a used car from him.
Government is a body largely ungoverned.
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Hey there, Salt.... Good thread.

I find it very difficult to accept ANY of the television evangelist as the genuine article. I believe most of them, if not all of them are money-grubbing scum.

Be aware of false idols.... This covers celebrities, sports figures, and televangelists.
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yep. when money and faith are mixed, the whole thing gets polluted and weird.
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He say's "so when the deception comes." Didn't cryptic mole, better known at the time as Watchmen On The Wall say something about a deception within a deception?
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The BIG one..

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Colorful history. Would not buy a used car from him.
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man o man, the pentacostals are unleashing the red karma upon me now!

mama hit a nerve today!





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