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they better get busy building new prisons. how much will that cost? lets see, 3 meals a day, room service, full medical benefits. sounds good to me.
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Actually, when everyone is down and out in this country and the malls start closing by the hundreds, they will use those. And the Big Box stores too.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34104390


Yes, this is the plan. I think Zerohedge had a report on this recently, I can't find it with google, apparently a large shopping mall company had a contract to provide this for DHS.

The walmart where I live recently did a large renovation, it looks like a prison now. The checkout aisles look like they are set up to process prisoners. Windows are little slits.
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How long will the program last till its completely bankrupt? 6 months? then what?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50473212


They will raise taxes on the producers...as they always do.
 Quoting: davvi


It's not a tax. Remember?

The IRS will enforce Obamacare, but it's not a tax, it was challenged in the supreme court and despite being unconstitutional it was upheld as law.

By design millions of Americans will be forced our of affordable coverage plans and group/employer plans because these plans cannot meet the minimum requirements of the ACA LAW, they will be forced into higher cost plans by design, forced by the LAW.

The administration and architects of Obamacare are counting on those hundreds of millions to fund the subsidies for the poor and for the free care for the very poor. They need the participation of MILLIONS of young healthy Americans.

The only way it will fail is if everyone refuses to sign up.

Problem is, that will leave millions without any health coverage at all, people need to realize that if they have not yet been cancelled from existing coverage plans they will eventually, the plans they have now will be illegal under the full implementation of the ACA.

It all comes down to having NO other choice ultimately.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44520687


gopoII

The employers will eventually have to drop coverage for families or the employee will have to pay for the higher premiums. Either way they will lose.

As it is right now, employers began paying a 64 dollar charge (tax) for their employees and their employees dependents 3 years ago and there is something called the HIT tax which will come in 2014.

Both of these things will make it impossible for employers to maintain what most people have through their employer.
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Keep pushin' you Black Cocksucker...
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Yes here it is:

“HIT” Tax Endangers Small Business

[link to www.nfib.com]
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...


You're thinking in defensive terms.
Don't.
There is no defense against something like the Knockout Game, only using handguns instead of fists.
 Quoting: Rogue Messenger


There was a time when I thought the next election will straighten this all out...after the last election I gave up on that.

I don't trust most of our government agencies to do the right thing anymore...hell if my local librarian was laying in the street needing help I would spit on her as I stepped over her...
 Quoting: davvi


I will assume you wrote that for the shock value and will not be spitting on any librarians anytime soon. LOL!

The rest I'm in total agreement with.
 Quoting: Sobriquet


The problem that I have with "librarians" is the same problem that I have with teachers, the police, the FBI etc., etc. is that they are government employees beholden to their unions and this government before they are Americans...

How do they vote? They vote to open our pockets and give them more and more perks and benefits many times out pacing the very people paying their salaries. They know that what they vote for is destroying this country as it destroyed Detroit, but they double down and vote self-interest anyway...

So no there was NO attempt to be shocking, just pointing out the obvious...
 Quoting: davvi


Sad but true. And they control the reading matter of our little, inquiring, malleable kids.
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they better get busy building new prisons. how much will that cost? lets see, 3 meals a day, room service, full medical benefits. sounds good to me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49649437


Actually, when everyone is down and out in this country and the malls start closing by the hundreds, they will use those. And the Big Box stores too.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34104390


Yes, this is the plan. I think Zerohedge had a report on this recently, I can't find it with google, apparently a large shopping mall company had a contract to provide this for DHS.

The walmart where I live recently did a large renovation, it looks like a prison now. The checkout aisles look like they are set up to process prisoners. Windows are little slits.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51008934


Thanks for that info.

I looked at our Walmart a few years ago, and saw a distinct resemblance to a security installation. No windows on sides or rear, few in front in the doors, no side doors, loading dock and little door in back. Only a couple of ways in and a couple of ways out and concrete all in between.

Presto chango!
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time to go Icelandic on this administration!
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There was a time when I thought the next election will straighten this all out...after the last election I gave up on that.

I don't trust most of our government agencies to do the right thing anymore...hell if my local librarian was laying in the street needing help I would spit on her as I stepped over her...
 Quoting: davvi


I will assume you wrote that for the shock value and will not be spitting on any librarians anytime soon. LOL!

The rest I'm in total agreement with.
 Quoting: Sobriquet


The problem that I have with "librarians" is the same problem that I have with teachers, the police, the FBI etc., etc. is that they are government employees beholden to their unions and this government before they are Americans...

How do they vote? They vote to open our pockets and give them more and more perks and benefits many times out pacing the very people paying their salaries. They know that what they vote for is destroying this country as it destroyed Detroit, but they double down and vote self-interest anyway...

So no there was NO attempt to be shocking, just pointing out the obvious...
 Quoting: davvi


Sad but true. And they control the reading matter of our little, inquiring, malleable kids.
 Quoting: waterlily


I was in my local library several years ago when 0bama was campaigning the first time and the "librarian" had a group of really young kids and she was reading them stories and then discussing the stories with the kids.

Out of no where and totally off topic she launched into a campaign speech for 0bama. She was white upper middle class and was telling these kids to go home and tell their parents to vote for BO...

I though to myself, "public" library and I am helping to pay her salary!!

Between them and the education system is it any wonder that kids have no idea what it is to be an American???
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" I'm Jewish. I don't work out. If God had wanted us to bend over, He would have put diamonds on the floor." -- Joan Rivers

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Lord, could you choose someone else for a change?
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I refuse to participate in a violation of my beliefs. If I go to jail, lose what little I have, so be it. This is not worth the loss of my soul.
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Agreed. Apparently the bastard in chief didn't read the bill itself, which says that there is NO WAY TO PUNISH for this beyond taking someone's tax refund!
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time to go Icelandic on this administration!
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time to go Icelandic on this administration!
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I say we should all vote Republican...not because I am one, but because we need to get rid of Dems first and then if the repubs don't listen vote them all out next.
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Lord, could you choose someone else for a change?
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time to go Icelandic on this administration!
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I say we should all vote Republican...not because I am one, but because we need to get rid of Dems first and then if the repubs don't listen vote them all out next.
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Yes..yes..and..yes!!
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Man this thread went viral!

Could the peasants be waking up at last?
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time to go Icelandic on this administration!
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I say we should all vote Republican...not because I am one, but because we need to get rid of Dems first and then if the repubs don't listen vote them all out next.
 Quoting: davvi


Yes..yes..and..yes!!
 Quoting: Carol B.


ohyeah
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Man this thread went viral!

Could the peasants be waking up at last?
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The general peasantry will not fully awaken to the fact that they have gone from living in the land of the free, and the home of the brave, where freedom and liberty once existed like no other place on this world... To living under the rule of a tyrant, controlling an expanding and overwhelming tyrannical government until it is too late.

Trading freedom and independence for slavery and dependence made possible by ignorance and apathy.

No my friend, the peasants are not waking up, they are being put to sleep.
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If people who can afford insurance don't buy it and choose to be a burden on the rest of society...

Yeah right, what about people who could get a job that just get welfare instead that are a burden on the rest of society!
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Good point! Yeah we certainly wouldn't want drains on society.. right Obama?

On the other hand, I don't think anyone will go to jail for not having insurance. Obama is evil, greedy, manipulative, and a shitbag.. but he is not stupid. They will make far more money hitting people with huge fines as opposed to putting them in jail, so they will take that option.
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This doesn't surprise me. the klinton beast had jail terms in her "healthcare" bill for "non compliance". That was one of the many reasons it failed.

The communists want control of every facet of life and they will kill and imprison to get it.
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I will NOT sign up for ANYTHING from this government. I WILL go to jail if it comes to that.s226 SO kiss my ass Obama
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In the wording of the ACA and discretionary enforcement directives for the IRS, they can at some point make it felony tax evasion.

Have any idea what that could do to an average american if convicted?
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This doesn't surprise me. the klinton beast had jail terms in her "healthcare" bill for "non compliance". That was one of the many reasons it failed.

The communists want control of every facet of life and they will kill and imprison to get it.
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Really? That is news to me!
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Here is what is so messed up... After lying about people being able to keep their healthcare, designing a shitty hackable website that doesn't work, collapsing the economy, making deals with George Soros & the NWO, election fraud, rigging the unemployment numbers, IRS/NSA targeting, labeling people that believe in freedom and liberty as "terrorist", stock piling 2 billion rounds of ammunition, fast & furious, Benghazi, releasing a photo-shopped birth certificate, arming the muslim brotherhood and al-qaeda... this asshole has the nerve to threaten us with being arrested.

The only reason they are making these threats now is because they have something up their sleeve. Some kind of plans for complete takeover are in the works.

If people don't find a way to quickly arrest and remove this fascist bastard and his cult they are going to unleash hell onto this country.
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How long will the program last till its completely bankrupt? 6 months? then what?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50473212


They will raise taxes on the producers...as they always do.
 Quoting: davvi


It's not a tax. Remember?

The IRS will enforce Obamacare, but it's not a tax, it was challenged in the supreme court and despite being unconstitutional it was upheld as law.

By design millions of Americans will be forced our of affordable coverage plans and group/employer plans because these plans cannot meet the minimum requirements of the ACA LAW, they will be forced into higher cost plans by design, forced by the LAW.

The administration and architects of Obamacare are counting on those hundreds of millions to fund the subsidies for the poor and for the free care for the very poor. They need the participation of MILLIONS of young healthy Americans.

The only way it will fail is if everyone refuses to sign up.

Problem is, that will leave millions without any health coverage at all, people need to realize that if they have not yet been cancelled from existing coverage plans they will eventually, the plans they have now will be illegal under the full implementation of the ACA.

It all comes down to having NO other choice ultimately.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44520687


Exactly my ex who has great insurance now and stage four renal cancer has been told his work insurance is being cancelled and he can't afford obamacare.. Wtf? How does this help?
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You can not force someone to buy a product if they don't want to. This goes against every thing a free society stands for.

Obamacare is not constitutional on many grounds and I will not take part.
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How long will the program last till its completely bankrupt? 6 months? then what?
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They will raise taxes on the producers...as they always do.
 Quoting: davvi


It's not a tax. Remember?

The IRS will enforce Obamacare, but it's not a tax, it was challenged in the supreme court and despite being unconstitutional it was upheld as law.

By design millions of Americans will be forced our of affordable coverage plans and group/employer plans because these plans cannot meet the minimum requirements of the ACA LAW, they will be forced into higher cost plans by design, forced by the LAW.

The administration and architects of Obamacare are counting on those hundreds of millions to fund the subsidies for the poor and for the free care for the very poor. They need the participation of MILLIONS of young healthy Americans.

The only way it will fail is if everyone refuses to sign up.

Problem is, that will leave millions without any health coverage at all, people need to realize that if they have not yet been cancelled from existing coverage plans they will eventually, the plans they have now will be illegal under the full implementation of the ACA.

It all comes down to having NO other choice ultimately.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44520687


Exactly my ex who has great insurance now and stage four renal cancer has been told his work insurance is being cancelled and he can't afford obamacare.. Wtf? How does this help?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51222805


There are massive numbers of people going through this now.

There will be as many as 100 million more cancellations when the ACA is is fully implemented with the employer mandate.

It is a "tragic by necessary" consequence of the ACA, but as far as the Obama administration is concerned it is for the better for people, they will get much better (more expensive) coverage. Your ex cannot be denied coverage because of his preexisting condition now, but sadly he can't afford the new coverage either. Maybe when fully implemented they will be able to give people like your ex free pain pills and send them home to die?
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You can not force someone to buy a product if they don't want to. This goes against every thing a free society stands for.

Obamacare is not constitutional on many grounds and I will not take part.
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Now you can force them. The rules have changed, you're in denial. Not saying it's right but it our new country, change.
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46648385


This doesn't surprise me. the klinton beast had jail terms in her "healthcare" bill for "non compliance". That was one of the many reasons it failed.

The communists want control of every facet of life and they will kill and imprison to get it.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


Really? That is news to me!
 Quoting: AlcoholicRunner


it is true. I think it was up to five years in prison.
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You can not force someone to buy a product if they don't want to. This goes against every thing a free society stands for.

Obamacare is not constitutional on many grounds and I will not take part.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51109291


Now you can force them. The rules have changed, you're in denial. Not saying it's right but it our new country, change.
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I'm not changing shit. Not buying no overpriced insurance and not paying no fucking fine.
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I refuse to rule out jail time for obama!
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They will raise taxes on the producers...as they always do.
 Quoting: davvi


It's not a tax. Remember?

The IRS will enforce Obamacare, but it's not a tax, it was challenged in the supreme court and despite being unconstitutional it was upheld as law.

By design millions of Americans will be forced our of affordable coverage plans and group/employer plans because these plans cannot meet the minimum requirements of the ACA LAW, they will be forced into higher cost plans by design, forced by the LAW.

The administration and architects of Obamacare are counting on those hundreds of millions to fund the subsidies for the poor and for the free care for the very poor. They need the participation of MILLIONS of young healthy Americans.

The only way it will fail is if everyone refuses to sign up.

Problem is, that will leave millions without any health coverage at all, people need to realize that if they have not yet been cancelled from existing coverage plans they will eventually, the plans they have now will be illegal under the full implementation of the ACA.

It all comes down to having NO other choice ultimately.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44520687


Exactly my ex who has great insurance now and stage four renal cancer has been told his work insurance is being cancelled and he can't afford obamacare.. Wtf? How does this help?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51222805


There are massive numbers of people going through this now.

There will be as many as 100 million more cancellations when the ACA is is fully implemented with the employer mandate.

It is a "tragic by necessary" consequence of the ACA, but as far as the Obama administration is concerned it is for the better for people, they will get much better (more expensive) coverage. Your ex cannot be denied coverage because of his preexisting condition now, but sadly he can't afford the new coverage either. Maybe when fully implemented they will be able to give people like your ex free pain pills and send them home to die?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44520687


Wow. I feel so much better now that it's been explained it to me.

But really, health insurance could cost next to nothing if they got rid of everybody with any kind of health issue, and only had to insure accidental injury.
*********** WaterLily ***********
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Disturb the universe?"
-- T. S. Elliot, Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock

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-- Jorge Luis Borges
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and finished it in the middle of the summer."
-- Cicero, De Imperio Cn. Pompei

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