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The top 1% should pay about 80% in taxes while the top .1% should be paying upwards of 90% if you look at reality. Sales tax should be eliminated as it hurts the poor and middle class.
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No, they should eliminate income tax, and tax people on their purchases. Here in Washington State there is no tax on food. People who consume a lot, pay more.

Sales tax doesn't hurt us a lot because we are not spendthrifts.
 Quoting: waterlily


Yes I agree there should be a luxury tax for the rich. Ideally, you'd be taxed on your purchases based upon your income.
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A luxury tax? Oh good God straight out of commie 101. You do NOT punish the rich and expect to increase revenue.

A flat tax where every one pays 5 per cent is the only way to go. If you make 10,000 dollar you pay 5 per cent of the 10. If you make 1 million you pay 5 per cent by doing it for every one including the rich will automatically pay more...
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Go back to basic economics. The graph is logarithmic. You make $1 it should be taxed $.01, make $100 you don't get taxed $1, it should be more like $20 as a rough example.
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No, they should eliminate income tax, and tax people on their purchases. Here in Washington State there is no tax on food. People who consume a lot, pay more.

Sales tax doesn't hurt us a lot because we are not spendthrifts.
 Quoting: waterlily


Yes I agree there should be a luxury tax for the rich. Ideally, you'd be taxed on your purchases based upon your income.
 Quoting: krosty


A luxury tax? Oh good God straight out of commie 101. You do NOT punish the rich and expect to increase revenue.

A flat tax where every one pays 5 per cent is the only way to go. If you make 10,000 dollar you pay 5 per cent of the 10. If you make 1 million you pay 5 per cent by doing it for every one including the rich will automatically pay more...
 Quoting: davvi


Go back to basic economics. The graph is logarithmic. You make $1 it should be taxed $.01, make $100 you don't get taxed $1, it should be more like $20 as a rough example.
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Are you not afraid of missing your flight to the Mandela memorial?

You'd love it - it will be saturated with Marxist/ communist worshipers. You could probably even get a seat next to Hussein.
Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee:
8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee.
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Why not force healthcare into a 100% free system through taxing the fuck out of the rich? No one goes to jail then.
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Says the guy who wants $15 an hour for flipping burgers... or did you already get fired from that job? chuckle
 Quoting: R.P. McMurphy


$15 should be around minimum wage. You go flip burgers and enjoy getting all the grease in your face for less than $15 an hour. I am underpaid at $19.34 with full benefits to sort boxes and wouldn't have the benefits or even minimum wage without the union. I have been at my job 8 years. I've filed over 200 grievances and they hate me, that's how corrupt these companies are and need to been kept in check by the unions.
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working in fast food is a starting job not a career. If you are underpaid find another job.
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The rich already pay 60-65 percent in some case. Even more when you figure in sales taxes...

How much is enough?

Who cares, right?

Just as long as you get taken care of....

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 Quoting: R.P. McMurphy


The top 1% should pay about 80% in taxes while the top .1% should be paying upwards of 90% if you look at reality. Sales tax should be eliminated as it hurts the poor and middle class.
 Quoting: krosty


No, they should eliminate income tax, and tax people on their purchases. Here in Washington State there is no tax on food. People who consume a lot, pay more.

Sales tax doesn't hurt us a lot because we are not spendthrifts.
 Quoting: waterlily


Yes I agree there should be a luxury tax for the rich. Ideally, you'd be taxed on your purchases based upon your income.
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luxury taxes only hurt the people who sell or make or build the luxuries.
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I have no problem with imprisoning those who do not buy health insurance. They are being selfish and being a burden on the rest of us who are trying to be responsible and do what's right.

You can do the right thing and buy health insurance in the ACA marketplace, or you can go to prison and have healthcare provided for you there. I think most smart people would just buy the insurance ...
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Fuck you, you ignorant dolt!
 Quoting: Carol B.


There are subsidies for those with low income, children, etc. So being part of the "working poor" is no excuse for not buying insurance. The poor can also apply for Medicaid. No excuse for anyone to not have health insurance.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45904723


You don't know what you're talking about.

Hint: Stop drinking the koolaid and start researching the facts v. the propaganda.
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Some months ago, I posted on here how we are never going to see obamacare fully enacted.

I still stand by that prediction.
 Quoting: R.P. McMurphy


It was never meant to be fully implemented. Obamacare has two purposes, to destroy America's health care system, and to control the people. They figured out long ago that the only way to bring in socialized medicine, was to destroy what we have now.

Look at the stats now. 90% of everyone who's being enrolled in Obamacare, are being put onto Medicaid. Which is a system that is already overburdened and ready to collapse.

They have plans for us, plans which they dare not speak in public because we are cattle and not people to them.
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Yup... you're right.
Liberal Logic - Demanding that the government stay out of their bedrooms while insisting on taxpayer funded birth control.
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Some months ago, I posted on here how we are never going to see obamacare fully enacted.

I still stand by that prediction.
 Quoting: R.P. McMurphy


It was never meant to be fully implemented. Obamacare has two purposes, to destroy America's health care system, and to control the people. They figured out long ago that the only way to bring in socialized medicine, was to destroy what we have now.

Look at the stats now. 90% of everyone who's being enrolled in Obamacare, are being put onto Medicaid. Which is a system that is already overburdened and ready to collapse.

They have plans for us, plans which they dare not speak in public because we are cattle and not people to them.
 Quoting: samanthasunflower


***This***
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If people who can afford insurance don't buy it and choose to be a burden on the rest of society...

Yeah right, what about people who could get a job that just get welfare instead that are a burden on the rest of society!
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There are A LOT of working people on welfare right now. It is impossible to make ends meet. Add obamacare on top of this, and it is going to send most people down the shitter. There is no way for this to work, I don't care what subsidies they get, it won't be enough.
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Why not force healthcare into a 100% free system through taxing the fuck out of the rich? No one goes to jail then.
 Quoting: krosty


Says the guy who wants $15 an hour for flipping burgers... or did you already get fired from that job? chuckle
 Quoting: R.P. McMurphy


$15 should be around minimum wage. You go flip burgers and enjoy getting all the grease in your face for less than $15 an hour. I am underpaid at $19.34 with full benefits to sort boxes and wouldn't have the benefits or even minimum wage without the union. I have been at my job 8 years. I've filed over 200 grievances and they hate me, that's how corrupt these companies are and need to been kept in check by the unions.
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Something tells me that's not the only place...

chuckle



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Awww... I hurt poor little krosty's feelings..

chuckle
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All your bitching and whining on the internet is for nothing. When the time comes, you'll line up like the rest of the sheeple, grumble under your breath and pay the money.
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No, actually I won't. I don't have the money. I haven't even so much as opened up the marketplace site. I'm going on about my life, working my under the table pay job, not paying taxes. They will have a difficult time tracking me. When I lost my job last year thanks to obamcare, I decided to fight back by going under the radar. I get to keep my money now, and I don't have to deal with the bullshit.
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All your bitching and whining on the internet is for nothing. When the time comes, you'll line up like the rest of the sheeple, grumble under your breath and pay the money.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51111968


No, actually I won't. I don't have the money. I haven't even so much as opened up the marketplace site. I'm going on about my life, working my under the table pay job, not paying taxes. They will have a difficult time tracking me. When I lost my job last year thanks to obamcare, I decided to fight back by going under the radar. I get to keep my money now, and I don't have to deal with the bullshit.
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You can not force someone to buy a product if they don't want to. This goes against every thing a free society stands for.

Obamacare is not constitutional on many grounds and I will not take part.
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Obamacare has been ruled a TAX by the SCOTUS. The force of the government can be used to come down on people who refuse to pay taxes. We see it time and time again. People are in jail now for tax evasion. Eventually, you will pay...one way or another. So much for living in a free nation, right?
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How can you tax something that you do not purchase. If you tax income i can still not work and then I pay no tax. But this is like taxing people who don't work to force them to work which is just slavery if you think about it.
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All your bitching and whining on the internet is for nothing. When the time comes, you'll line up like the rest of the sheeple, grumble under your breath and pay the money.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51111968


No, actually I won't. I don't have the money. I haven't even so much as opened up the marketplace site. I'm going on about my life, working my under the table pay job, not paying taxes. They will have a difficult time tracking me. When I lost my job last year thanks to obamcare, I decided to fight back by going under the radar. I get to keep my money now, and I don't have to deal with the bullshit.
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clapclapclap
 Quoting: R.P. McMurphy


I called this many moons ago.
Huge black market in "under the table" pay will open up.

You cannot FORCE people to pay for something they don't want, or penalize them for not buying it.

People will BY NECESSITY find ways around this government fascism.

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I have no problem with imprisoning those who do not buy health insurance. They are being selfish and being a burden on the rest of us who are trying to be responsible and do what's right.

You can do the right thing and buy health insurance in the ACA marketplace, or you can go to prison and have healthcare provided for you there. I think most smart people would just buy the insurance ...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45904723


Fuck you, you ignorant dolt!
 Quoting: Carol B.


There are subsidies for those with low income, children, etc. So being part of the "working poor" is no excuse for not buying insurance. The poor can also apply for Medicaid. No excuse for anyone to not have health insurance.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45904723


I may be working poor but that is not why I refuse to sign up. I will not sign up because I will not be part of this socialist designed government program. I will not give them my bank account number. My father fought to keep this country for the free. I will be damned if I sign up for something that is the downfall to the freedoms that I hold dear. I applaud our service men and women. I cry at our National Anthem. I bleed red, white, and blue. FUCK OBAMA!!!!sideways
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Who gives a shit what this illegal alien thinks? He has no lawful right to usurp anyone's power of attorney.
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And me:

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Well there's free health care in prison, along with the free room and board.
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"A growing prison population has increased Justice Department spending on the federal prison system from just over $5 billion in fiscal year 2008 to nearly $7 billion today."

"The current budget of $6.9 billion allots $2.5 billion for inmate programs, including $65.7 million for “psychology services,” $115.5 million for drug treatment, and $435 million for food services."
[link to freebeacon.com]
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Each state will have to build more prisons to house all of the health care law breakers. As it is, most all prisons are over crowded, at least the ones in California are.
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:hesright3:
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Yet not one Republican voted for Obamacare. How do you square that?
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I've called several insurance companies to get health insurance and every time I get denied because I'm on a doctor-prescribed narcotic pain medicine. I have no health insurance and I can't get any. In order to get coverage they say I have to be off my medicine for 12 months. I have and bone disease that REQUIRES pain medication in order to function day to day. I can't go off of it for a year.
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Get them on the internet. Bypass all that bullshit.
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I love Obama's new sales pitch to young adults. Trying to tell them the cost of health insurance is the same as their data plan for the cell phone or their monthly internet expenses and they should buy it to be responsible and its cheap.

This reminds me of those and/or commercials. These young adults don't have enough to have their phones/internet AND the health insurance. They have enough for phones/internet OR health insurance.

Guess which one they will choose.
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He's not going to be able to get all of the young and healthy to sign up for a plan, so he will do the next best thing, implement jail time in order to bully them into it.
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Wait...so he says people who pay for their insurance shouldn't have to pay for those who hose to take advantage and free ride on those who do?

What about all the millns of parasites taking a free ride (food stamps. welfare, etc) on those who work?

He mentions taking responsibility for ourselves. But never does he mention taking responsibility for ourselves when discussing welfare, or all his own personal scandals
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They are already talking about cutting SNAP benefits back again after the new year. They are going to keep cutting until it's gone. Obama hates the poor.
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I love Obama's new sales pitch to young adults. Trying to tell them the cost of health insurance is the same as their data plan for the cell phone or their monthly internet expenses and they should buy it to be responsible and its cheap.

This reminds me of those and/or commercials. These young adults don't have enough to have their phones/internet AND the health insurance. They have enough for phones/internet OR health insurance.

Guess which one they will choose.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1456476


He's not going to be able to get all of the young and healthy to sign up for a plan, so he will do the next best thing, implement jail time in order to bully them into it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50344056


Good luck putting 80-90% of USA in jail.

cruise
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Wait...so he says people who pay for their insurance shouldn't have to pay for those who hose to take advantage and free ride on those who do?

What about all the millns of parasites taking a free ride (food stamps. welfare, etc) on those who work?

He mentions taking responsibility for ourselves. But never does he mention taking responsibility for ourselves when discussing welfare, or all his own personal scandals
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51146193


They are already talking about cutting SNAP benefits back again after the new year. They are going to keep cutting until it's gone. Obama hates the poor.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50344056


They declined my SNAP benefits in Florida because they said I made too much money. I make $9000 a year working part time. I have been sick and could not get disability so I found a part time job and they asked for my last 2 pay stubs. Declined within 2 days. I work 25 hours a week for $11 an hour. In obamaworld, he makes it easier for people NOT to work. Everything is upside down in his world.. I was shocked when this happened. Imagine what happens when the Wal-Mart crowd gets cut off. Riots?
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So what happens if you say you're a Muslim? That's not a way out I guess because they they have a whole bunch of expectations or else you get killed?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50558796


Well if you're a Muslim you're exempt from Obamacare, the rest of that shit they hung around their own neck...
 Quoting: Saddletramp

You're not following me, I am suggesting "we" become "they". If we declared ourselves to be Muslim ... so what? Could we then go on with our lives the way we want?

Muslim is just a word. "There is no God but God." is a pretty generic statement that anyone who believes in a "God" can make.
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^^^ Prime example of no balls.

I hope you are the first one into the camp. How dare you tell us to conform to this dictatorship by becoming a Muslim?
 Quoting: ~~**lisa**~~


As I said, as far as I know, I wouldn't have to conform to anything.

If I have to pray 5 times a day toward Mecca and follow Sharia law or else something happens to me, then it's no deal.

I do have balls. But I also have brains.
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Well if you're a Muslim you're exempt from Obamacare, the rest of that shit they hung around their own neck...
 Quoting: Saddletramp

You're not following me, I am suggesting "we" become "they". If we declared ourselves to be Muslim ... so what? Could we then go on with our lives the way we want?

Muslim is just a word. "There is no God but God." is a pretty generic statement that anyone who believes in a "God" can make.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50558796


^^^ Prime example of no balls.

I hope you are the first one into the camp. How dare you tell us to conform to this dictatorship by becoming a Muslim?
 Quoting: ~~**lisa**~~


As I said, as far as I know, I wouldn't have to conform to anything.

If I have to pray 5 times a day toward Mecca and follow Sharia law or else something happens to me, then it's no deal.

I do have balls. But I also have brains.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50558796


By the way, if your name is Lisa, you have no balls! If you're going to be vulgar, at least be appropriate, dear.
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This would be a real problem, incarcerating healthy intelligent men and women who aren't even addicted to drugs.

These people have no weaknesses and they are smart. Generally jails are for the people stupid enough to get caught. Even those guys with big muscles you see in the penitentiary (it's sort of scary driving past the prison at Florence AZ, they look like all body builders) don't escape because they aren't clever enough.

If you start throwing lots of 25 year old engineers in jail, they will work out how to get out.
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Wait...so he says people who pay for their insurance shouldn't have to pay for those who hose to take advantage and free ride on those who do?

What about all the millns of parasites taking a free ride (food stamps. welfare, etc) on those who work?

He mentions taking responsibility for ourselves. But never does he mention taking responsibility for ourselves when discussing welfare, or all his own personal scandals
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51146193


They are already talking about cutting SNAP benefits back again after the new year. They are going to keep cutting until it's gone. Obama hates the poor.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50344056


...hates the poor... hates everyone... probably hates himself, and in moments of possible lucidity, wonders how he got himself into this illuminati slavery (and no, that was not meant as pity for him).

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