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NBC - Obama refuses to rule out jail time for those who refuse to buy insurance

 
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The penalties in the ACA are taken out of people's tax refunds.

No jail time, just smaller tax refunds.

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 Quoting: Instant Karma


That's what we used to think. Guess it's another instance of the news media sweet talking this thing.
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you gotta be an idiot letting them hold your money interest free. I never have a refund.
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Young kids that voted for him will now have to bear the brunt of their ignorance.

Ignorance has consequences, who knew?
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The penalties in the ACA are taken out of people's tax refunds.

No jail time, just smaller tax refunds.

[link to www.usatoday.com]
 Quoting: Instant Karma


That's what we used to think. Guess it's another instance of the news media sweet talking this thing.
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No, that's how the law is written. It's not a matter of opinion. The IRS is in charge of collection, but they aren't allowed to use liens, asset seizures or criminal charges to enforce it.

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The knives are coming out because revenues are so far short of costs, and we're not even in Year 1 yet.
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Exactly...you don't have to be a Muslim, but if you're not, you have to pay the tax...

It'll be a cold day in hell before I pay that tax.
 Quoting: Saddletramp


So what happens if you say you're a Muslim? That's not a way out I guess because they they have a whole bunch of expectations or else you get killed?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50558796


Well if you're a Muslim you're exempt from Obamacare, the rest of that shit they hung around their own neck...
 Quoting: Saddletramp

You're not following me, I am suggesting "we" become "they". If we declared ourselves to be Muslim ... so what? Could we then go on with our lives the way we want?

Muslim is just a word. "There is no God but God." is a pretty generic statement that anyone who believes in a "God" can make.
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Go ahead and live a lie then! If they exempted pedophiles would you call yourself a pedophile? I mean after all it's only a word.
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The penalties in the ACA are taken out of people's tax refunds.

No jail time, just smaller tax refunds.

[link to www.usatoday.com]
 Quoting: Instant Karma


That's what we used to think. Guess it's another instance of the news media sweet talking this thing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50558796


No, that's how the law is written. It's not a matter of opinion.
 Quoting: Instant Karma


Does the law say plainly that nobody can be sent to jail for not participating?
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If people who can afford insurance don't buy it and choose to be a burden on the rest of society...

Yeah right, what about people who could get a job that just get welfare instead that are a burden on the rest of society!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46648385


Since when does a free society lock people up for not purchasing a product?!?!

Completely unacceptable!

Wait, your a burden to society if you refuse to purchase a specific product?

Why not let others open their own health plans? That would remove the "burden" but do you see that happening?


Fuck this shit, I am a patriot and I will not stand for that!
 Quoting: --Voltaic--


We don't get thrown in jail for not purchasing car insurance- and its MANDATORY. We get fined and ticketed. THIS PROVES HIS BENT TOWARD EXTREME TOTALITARIAN GOVERNMENT!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51225462


It will probably end up like car insurance.

To walk on public ground we'll need personal health insurance. Walking on public ground w/o insurance is illegal. Will result in our walkers license being revoked.

And don't even get caught walking while intoxicated! After 3 offenses, you get your legs shackled for a month.


And if you walk on the wrong side of the sidewalk, you might get pulled over and ticketed.



All horseshit!
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If O wants to give us 3 hots and a cot for not buying Ocare then let the party begin.
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Had enough of this clown yet?
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So what happens if you say you're a Muslim? That's not a way out I guess because they they have a whole bunch of expectations or else you get killed?
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Well if you're a Muslim you're exempt from Obamacare, the rest of that shit they hung around their own neck...
 Quoting: Saddletramp

You're not following me, I am suggesting "we" become "they". If we declared ourselves to be Muslim ... so what? Could we then go on with our lives the way we want?

Muslim is just a word. "There is no God but God." is a pretty generic statement that anyone who believes in a "God" can make.
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Go ahead and live a lie then! If they exempted pedophiles would you call yourself a pedophile? I mean after all it's only a word.
 Quoting: Fema Prisoner

No, pedophile means something specific that does not apply to me, that I find awful.

Muslim is another ill-defined word like all the rest of the words defining religion. Muslim, Christian, Jew all purport to use the same Old Testament, and there is probably more range of belief and practice within each one than the differences between them.
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The penalties in the ACA are taken out of people's tax refunds.

No jail time, just smaller tax refunds.

[link to www.usatoday.com]
 Quoting: Instant Karma


Well I don't get a tax refund, so they will expect me to pay...we'll see how that works out for them.
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No asshole, you DO NOT have to get car insurance or face a penalty. There are a lot of fucking people who don't own a car, don't drive, and don't have auto insurance.

Well, I don't go to the doctor. On the rare occasion I do, I pay cash. That would be similar to renting a car and taking the rental insurance option.

This dumb motherfucker cannot go soon enough.
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^^^
 Quoting: Flameworker


You really should keep up with ruling of the Supreme court and UCC codes in regards to needing registration or insurance. Get educated. But no you are to busy giving away your rights. Just as they always do convince you that its for your own good and for the good of society and you fight to stand in line to give up your rights.

The only vehicles that need to be registered and insured are those used for hire, passengers or goods for money.
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The penalties in the ACA are taken out of people's tax refunds.

No jail time, just smaller tax refunds.

[link to www.usatoday.com]
 Quoting: Instant Karma


That's what we used to think. Guess it's another instance of the news media sweet talking this thing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50558796


No, that's how the law is written. It's not a matter of opinion.
 Quoting: Instant Karma


Does the law say plainly that nobody can be sent to jail for not participating?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50558796


The IRS is in charge of collection, but they aren't allowed to use liens, asset seizures or criminal charges to enforce it.
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This fucking guy is ASKING for a revolution..

Unbelievable..
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This fucking guy is ASKING for a revolution..

Unbelievable..
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More than a revolution, he's begging for a genocide.
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Well if you're a Muslim you're exempt from Obamacare, the rest of that shit they hung around their own neck...
 Quoting: Saddletramp

You're not following me, I am suggesting "we" become "they". If we declared ourselves to be Muslim ... so what? Could we then go on with our lives the way we want?

Muslim is just a word. "There is no God but God." is a pretty generic statement that anyone who believes in a "God" can make.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50558796


Go ahead and live a lie then! If they exempted pedophiles would you call yourself a pedophile? I mean after all it's only a word.
 Quoting: Fema Prisoner

No, pedophile means something specific that does not apply to me, that I find awful.

Muslim is another ill-defined word like all the rest of the words defining religion. Muslim, Christian, Jew all purport to use the same Old Testament, and there is probably more range of belief and practice within each one than the differences between them.
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You my friend have mastered the art of missing a point.
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Exactly...you don't have to be a Muslim, but if you're not, you have to pay the tax...

It'll be a cold day in hell before I pay that tax.
 Quoting: Saddletramp


So what happens if you say you're a Muslim? That's not a way out I guess because they they have a whole bunch of expectations or else you get killed?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50558796


Well if you're a Muslim you're exempt from Obamacare, the rest of that shit they hung around their own neck...
 Quoting: Saddletramp

You're not following me, I am suggesting "we" become "they". If we declared ourselves to be Muslim ... so what? Could we then go on with our lives the way we want?

Muslim is just a word. "There is no God but God." is a pretty generic statement that anyone who believes in a "God" can make.
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I'm not changing God's for anyone...

There just comes a time you have to take a fuckin' stand...
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For the able bodied that are unemployed or have been forced within the past few years to take a cut in pay or into a lower paying job the choice's are clear:

A. You morally wish to contribute to society and don't wish to become a burden to anyone. So you are forced to become a low paid worker bee where you are taxed, fined threatened with prison, penalized or otherwise threatened if you step out of line.


B. You fall out of society altogether and become fully dependent on the government for all of your needs. Eventually the government will "place you" properly. LOL! There will be no reason to live.



This whole health care reform is bullshit. It will destroy what is left of our once awesome country.

If we are going to be forced to have medical insurance then I say it should be the type supported by sales taxes across the board. Get rid of the USELESS insurance companies and place cost limits on medical workers and medicines.

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Great Britain and the United States were given the promise of the Birthright to be the greatest nations of all nations. - 4 As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, and you shall be a father of many nations. 5 No longer shall your name be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham; for I have made you a father of many nations. 6 I will make you exceedingly fruitful; and I will make nations of you, and kings shall come from you - Genesis 17:4-6
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1 Now the sons of Reuben the firstborn of Israel--he was indeed the firstborn, but because he defiled his father's bed, his birthright was given to the sons of Joseph, the son of Israel, so that the genealogy is not listed according to the birthright; 2 yet Judah prevailed over his brothers, and from him came a ruler, although the birthright was Joseph's - 1 Chronicles 5:1-2
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So what happens if you say you're a Muslim? That's not a way out I guess because they they have a whole bunch of expectations or else you get killed?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50558796


Well if you're a Muslim you're exempt from Obamacare, the rest of that shit they hung around their own neck...
 Quoting: Saddletramp

You're not following me, I am suggesting "we" become "they". If we declared ourselves to be Muslim ... so what? Could we then go on with our lives the way we want?

Muslim is just a word. "There is no God but God." is a pretty generic statement that anyone who believes in a "God" can make.
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I'm not changing God's for anyone...

There just comes a time you have to take a fuckin' stand...
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^^^^^THIS^^^^^
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This fucking guy is ASKING for a revolution..

Unbelievable..
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Not asking, begging.

I see the ignorant sheep around me and know that he will NEVER get it either.
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If people who can afford insurance don't buy it and choose to be a burden on the rest of society...

Yeah right, what about people who could get a job that just get welfare instead that are a burden on the rest of society!
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He is absolutely freakin' nuts, is what he is...and so are most of them who have been elected to SERVE the people of this country. They see themselves as "royalty."

If you have never watched John Stossel's show, I would suggest you do. Watching yesterday as he interviewed a man whose property has been seized by the Federal Government because an endangered frog "may live there."

The frog is not native to the area and has never been seen there, but just in case, the feds are ready.

The "commissioner" who seized the land thought the seizure necessary and I thought watching him, "of course he does because without illegal seizures such as this the commish would have no job."

We live in a police state...except in most police states we would be more free.


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Einstein actually did a calculation early in his career that any law openly rejected by I think like 7% of the populous cant be enforced bc the economy cant jail them all, true story
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Ooooooooooo! We got ourselves a hard ass!

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I refuse to participate in a violation of my beliefs. If I go to jail, lose what little I have, so be it. This is not worth the loss of my soul.
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Going to jail is still complying with their bullshit scam.

I refuse to comply in all regards, and that means I will not go to jail for something like this. If one chooses to go to jail forcibly by not paying fines, then you have lost everything anyway. If you choose not to fight back at that point then we are in serious trouble.

Come on man, this is the final push! We have to fight for our national identity! If they dictate to us that we have to buy something and we comply, we will never recover as a nation.

This is it! This is our generation's fight! Never give in, and never give up!
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Finally the Communists war have arrived on our shore and they have occupied the Capitol.
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Does he always speak like this, like he doesn't actually know what he is saying, to me he is saying do what we say or suffer the consequences. Shame, how did this douchebag become president anyway, the americans I have met on GLP are pretty intelligent, most of them anyway. I don't understand how he got there, and this is his second term right?
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So, you would rather imprison them at a cost to taxpayers of thousands of dollars a year, and put their families on welfare, all because they refuse to be forced to buy something they either don't want or can't afford? Yeah, that'll lesson the burden on society.

Bite me, you Kenyan commie bastard.
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Who voted this asstard into office? Jail time for not buying insurance.. give me a fucking break.s226
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There ya go, I said he'd start trying to vilify the 'non-conformists' and there he is doing it!

Turning people on each other for not buying into this illegal system.

Watch who you tell that you don't have health insurance or wont get it... THERE WILL BE A 1-800 NUMBER to call and report 'freeloaders'.

The last great step, probably only a few weeks away, will be a monetary 'reward' for turning in family or friends.

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That's what we used to think. Guess it's another instance of the news media sweet talking this thing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50558796


No, that's how the law is written. It's not a matter of opinion.
 Quoting: Instant Karma


Does the law say plainly that nobody can be sent to jail for not participating?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50558796


The IRS is in charge of collection, but they aren't allowed to use liens, asset seizures or criminal charges to enforce it.
 Quoting: Instant Karma


So the IRS can't use criminal charges. Can the US Justice Department or anyone else use criminal charges?
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I refuse to participate in a violation of my beliefs. If I go to jail, lose what little I have, so be it. This is not worth the loss of my soul.
 Quoting: tiger1


I make 50 grand a year, my employer package just came out, the lowest premium package costs me 70 dollars a week for me and my wife.
that's 3000 dollars per year in premiums.
On top of that is a 5000 dollar deductible. that makes it 8000 dollars a year.
on top of that is 125000 max out of pocket. That puts the annual total at 20500 dollars if one of us gets sick. But wait then there is 45 dollar office visits that are added on and 350 dollar er visits per visit for both, which would add at least another 400 dollars so thats now 21000 per year if we get sick ...HALF MY INCOME.
Fuck Obama and fuck ANYONE that tries to force me to pay. If they want to put me in jail, then by God I will give them a reason to or die in the process.
This Kenyan piece of shit is WAY out of line and push is about to come to shove. FUCK THIS SHIT
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There ya go, I said he'd start trying to vilify the 'non-conformists' and there he is doing it!

Turning people on each other for not buying into this illegal system.

Watch who you tell that you don't have health insurance or wont get it... THERE WILL BE A 1-800 NUMBER to call and report 'freeloaders'.

The last great step, probably only a few weeks away, will be a monetary 'reward' for turning in family or friends.

obama9
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Oh I see, because only the IRS will know who doesn't have it otherwise.

Yeah, it might go like this. Or the evidence comes out in family court or whatever if you're involved in an unrelated proceeding.

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