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Sobriquet  User ID: 42032529 United States12/08/2013 02:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Our local police departments are buying tanks and armored cars, they already have swat teams...even if everyone of us had a hand gun and rifle, we are no match for the heavy armor the police have. Quoting: davvi You're thinking in defensive terms. Don't. There is no defense against something like the Knockout Game, only using handguns instead of fists. There was a time when I thought the next election will straighten this all out...after the last election I gave up on that. I don't trust most of our government agencies to do the right thing anymore...hell if my local librarian was laying in the street needing help I would spit on her as I stepped over her... I will assume you wrote that for the shock value and will not be spitting on any librarians anytime soon. LOL! The rest I'm in total agreement with. Government... Govern: CONTROL Ment: MIND CONTROL MIND;MIND CONTROL The terrorists attacks which will be launched in the United States will be blamed upon middle eastern religious fanatics, Christian fundamentalists, white supremacists, Patriots, or Militias. A more immediate result of these operations will be the increased use of military forces, weaponry, and equipment such as tanks and armored personnel carriers in civilian law enforcement, the suspension or elimination of Habeas Corpus, the elimination of jury trials, the attempted disarming of the American People, and the institution of martial law with show-trials conducted by a tribunal of judges. - William Cooper 1997 (RIP) "If it's TRUE, it cannot be a THEORY!" -- Kentroversy (02/23/07) The light is always stronger than the darkness. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. - John 3:19 Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that it is near, right at the door. - Mark 13:29 |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 51248181  Netherlands12/08/2013 02:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If people who can afford insurance don't buy it and choose to be a burden on the rest of society... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46648385 Yeah right, what about people who could get a job that just get welfare instead that are a burden on the rest of society! or the illegals. I figure if we deport 14 million illegals we could afford to give the American poor health coverage. |
| BunBun User ID: 47029633 United States12/08/2013 02:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have no problem with imprisoning those who do not buy health insurance. They are being selfish and being a burden on the rest of us who are trying to be responsible and do what's right. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45904723 You can do the right thing and buy health insurance in the ACA marketplace, or you can go to prison and have healthcare provided for you there. I think most smart people would just buy the insurance ... What a warm piece of dung you are Yeah, I should just pony up a second mortgage for insurance that I won't be able to afford to use cause it has a 5000 dollar deductible to please fucking Obama and his brainwashed liberal assholes.How about no you commie fuckin' assholes. Christard and Lover of God |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 44520687 United States12/08/2013 02:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Who is going to mandate the jail time? Congress? No, so it would have to be Ovomit by executive order. Quoting: Hardwired The IRS has "discretionary" enforcement directives. It is likely they will wait until 2015 to really begin to aggressively enforce Obamacare. They don't need any new legislation, or executive orders, all the power they will ever need is cleverly worded in the thousands of pages of the ACA which is LAW now. We will do what we want. Say it with me America "YES! we can." :P |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 51248181 Netherlands12/08/2013 02:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Our local police departments are buying tanks and armored cars, they already have swat teams...even if everyone of us had a hand gun and rifle, we are no match for the heavy armor the police have. Quoting: davvi You're thinking in defensive terms. Don't. There is no defense against something like the Knockout Game, only using handguns instead of fists. There was a time when I thought the next election will straighten this all out...after the last election I gave up on that. I don't trust most of our government agencies to do the right thing anymore...hell if my local librarian was laying in the street needing help I would spit on her as I stepped over her... I will assume you wrote that for the shock value and will not be spitting on any librarians anytime soon. LOL! The rest I'm in total agreement with. Fuck librarians! They are indoctrinated liberals of the lowest form. They are the ones that went to college and couldn't cut in the real world, so they take shit out on people in their little dictatorships. Have you ever tried to donate a non liberal point of view book to a library? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 44520687 United States12/08/2013 02:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What idiots.the interview was before anything passed.if your poor your subsidized.if you don't buy your fined it you don't pay that you will owe right out of your tax rebate if not that you owe .no jail you paranoid pussies. Quoting: roadkyll 41674082 If it is that simple then why couldn't he say so? What happens if you don't pay your taxes? You go to jail and if you think that jail isn't somewhere down the line as part of democrapcare then you don't know anything about our Federal out control government... The fact that HE was saying things like this so long ago should be even more revealing. Despite all of the advanced warning, even from their own mouths, it still passed with little or no opposition. That should be a real wake up call. Better late than never I suppose... Even if it is tragically far to late now to matter. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 51248181 Netherlands12/08/2013 02:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What idiots.the interview was before anything passed.if your poor your subsidized.if you don't buy your fined it you don't pay that you will owe right out of your tax rebate if not that you owe .no jail you paranoid pussies. Quoting: roadkyll 41674082 If it is that simple then why couldn't he say so? What happens if you don't pay your taxes? You go to jail and if you think that jail isn't somewhere down the line as part of democrapcare then you don't know anything about our Federal out control government... The fact that HE was saying things like this so long ago should be even more revealing. Despite all of the advanced warning, even from their own mouths, it still passed with little or no opposition. That should be a real wake up call. Better late than never I suppose... Even if it is tragically far to late now to matter. They were all mesmerized by in Al Sharptons words "Barrak the Magic Negro". |
| davvi User ID: 3677166 United States12/08/2013 02:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Our local police departments are buying tanks and armored cars, they already have swat teams...even if everyone of us had a hand gun and rifle, we are no match for the heavy armor the police have. Quoting: davvi You're thinking in defensive terms. Don't. There is no defense against something like the Knockout Game, only using handguns instead of fists. There was a time when I thought the next election will straighten this all out...after the last election I gave up on that. I don't trust most of our government agencies to do the right thing anymore...hell if my local librarian was laying in the street needing help I would spit on her as I stepped over her... I will assume you wrote that for the shock value and will not be spitting on any librarians anytime soon. LOL! The rest I'm in total agreement with. The problem that I have with "librarians" is the same problem that I have with teachers, the police, the FBI etc., etc. is that they are government employees beholden to their unions and this government before they are Americans... How do they vote? They vote to open our pockets and give them more and more perks and benefits many times out pacing the very people paying their salaries. They know that what they vote for is destroying this country as it destroyed Detroit, but they double down and vote self-interest anyway... So no there was NO attempt to be shocking, just pointing out the obvious... |
| davvi User ID: 3677166 United States12/08/2013 02:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What idiots.the interview was before anything passed.if your poor your subsidized.if you don't buy your fined it you don't pay that you will owe right out of your tax rebate if not that you owe .no jail you paranoid pussies. Quoting: roadkyll 41674082 If it is that simple then why couldn't he say so? What happens if you don't pay your taxes? You go to jail and if you think that jail isn't somewhere down the line as part of democrapcare then you don't know anything about our Federal out control government... The fact that HE was saying things like this so long ago should be even more revealing. Despite all of the advanced warning, even from their own mouths, it still passed with little or no opposition. That should be a real wake up call. Better late than never I suppose... Even if it is tragically far to late now to matter. I begged family members and former friends to look into him as I really felt none of them knew who they were voting for, so caught up in making "history." Most laughed at me an those who were friends are no longer. I can't do a damn thing with my family, as much as I would like to... |
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| davvi User ID: 3677166 United States12/08/2013 03:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Fuck librarians! They are indoctrinated liberals of the lowest form. They are the ones that went to college and couldn't cut in the real world, so they take shit out on people in their little dictatorships. Have you ever tried to donate a non liberal point of view book to a library? Quoting: Fema Prisoner You know, that's a hell of a good point. :beckpn: Yes!! |
| davvi User ID: 3677166 United States12/08/2013 03:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Rogue Messenger You're thinking in defensive terms. Don't. There is no defense against something like the Knockout Game, only using handguns instead of fists. There was a time when I thought the next election will straighten this all out...after the last election I gave up on that. I don't trust most of our government agencies to do the right thing anymore...hell if my local librarian was laying in the street needing help I would spit on her as I stepped over her... I will assume you wrote that for the shock value and will not be spitting on any librarians anytime soon. LOL! The rest I'm in total agreement with. Fuck librarians! They are indoctrinated liberals of the lowest form. They are the ones that went to college and couldn't cut in the real world, so they take shit out on people in their little dictatorships. Have you ever tried to donate a non liberal point of view book to a library?  Ask them if they are going to enroll in Obamacare? They will not they will still enjoy their free (tax payer funded) healthcare. |
| Rekrov User ID: 16479241 United States12/08/2013 03:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | His intonation reminds me of a cop who feels that he knows best, and it's obvious that you're just not willing to accept the LAW  As the law expands, so does their collective power -- it's all in the legislature Sick shit & the worst is yet to come, I'm afraid... To kill a frog in water, boil slowly DISCLAIMER: For Entertainment Purposes Only |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 44520687 United States12/08/2013 03:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How long will the program last till its completely bankrupt? 6 months? then what? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50473212 They will raise taxes on the producers...as they always do. It's not a tax. Remember? The IRS will enforce Obamacare, but it's not a tax, it was challenged in the supreme court and despite being unconstitutional it was upheld as law. By design millions of Americans will be forced our of affordable coverage plans and group/employer plans because these plans cannot meet the minimum requirements of the ACA LAW, they will be forced into higher cost plans by design, forced by the LAW. The administration and architects of Obamacare are counting on those hundreds of millions to fund the subsidies for the poor and for the free care for the very poor. They need the participation of MILLIONS of young healthy Americans. The only way it will fail is if everyone refuses to sign up. Problem is, that will leave millions without any health coverage at all, people need to realize that if they have not yet been cancelled from existing coverage plans they will eventually, the plans they have now will be illegal under the full implementation of the ACA. It all comes down to having NO other choice ultimately. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 51254892 United States12/08/2013 03:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | His intonation reminds me of a cop who feels that he knows best, and it's obvious that you're just not willing to accept the LAW Quoting: Rekrov As the law expands, so does their collective power -- it's all in the legislature Sick shit & the worst is yet to come, I'm afraid... To kill a frog in water, boil slowly You are correct, the worst is yet to come, the fascist shift in the US has occurred, and is cementing through our system. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 51008934 United States12/08/2013 03:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | they better get busy building new prisons. how much will that cost? lets see, 3 meals a day, room service, full medical benefits. sounds good to me. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49649437 Actually, when everyone is down and out in this country and the malls start closing by the hundreds, they will use those. And the Big Box stores too. Yes, this is the plan. I think Zerohedge had a report on this recently, I can't find it with google, apparently a large shopping mall company had a contract to provide this for DHS. The walmart where I live recently did a large renovation, it looks like a prison now. The checkout aisles look like they are set up to process prisoners. Windows are little slits. |
| davvi User ID: 3677166 United States12/08/2013 03:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How long will the program last till its completely bankrupt? 6 months? then what? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50473212 They will raise taxes on the producers...as they always do. It's not a tax. Remember? The IRS will enforce Obamacare, but it's not a tax, it was challenged in the supreme court and despite being unconstitutional it was upheld as law. By design millions of Americans will be forced our of affordable coverage plans and group/employer plans because these plans cannot meet the minimum requirements of the ACA LAW, they will be forced into higher cost plans by design, forced by the LAW. The administration and architects of Obamacare are counting on those hundreds of millions to fund the subsidies for the poor and for the free care for the very poor. They need the participation of MILLIONS of young healthy Americans. The only way it will fail is if everyone refuses to sign up. Problem is, that will leave millions without any health coverage at all, people need to realize that if they have not yet been cancelled from existing coverage plans they will eventually, the plans they have now will be illegal under the full implementation of the ACA. It all comes down to having NO other choice ultimately.  The employers will eventually have to drop coverage for families or the employee will have to pay for the higher premiums. Either way they will lose. As it is right now, employers began paying a 64 dollar charge (tax) for their employees and their employees dependents 3 years ago and there is something called the HIT tax which will come in 2014. Both of these things will make it impossible for employers to maintain what most people have through their employer. |
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| waterlily User ID: 48755735 United States12/08/2013 03:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Rogue Messenger You're thinking in defensive terms. Don't. There is no defense against something like the Knockout Game, only using handguns instead of fists. There was a time when I thought the next election will straighten this all out...after the last election I gave up on that. I don't trust most of our government agencies to do the right thing anymore...hell if my local librarian was laying in the street needing help I would spit on her as I stepped over her... I will assume you wrote that for the shock value and will not be spitting on any librarians anytime soon. LOL! The rest I'm in total agreement with. The problem that I have with "librarians" is the same problem that I have with teachers, the police, the FBI etc., etc. is that they are government employees beholden to their unions and this government before they are Americans... How do they vote? They vote to open our pockets and give them more and more perks and benefits many times out pacing the very people paying their salaries. They know that what they vote for is destroying this country as it destroyed Detroit, but they double down and vote self-interest anyway... So no there was NO attempt to be shocking, just pointing out the obvious... Sad but true. And they control the reading matter of our little, inquiring, malleable kids. *********** WaterLily *********** " Do I dare Disturb the universe?" -- T. S. Elliot, Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock ************************************* “We are as ignorant of the meaning of the dragon as we are of the meaning of the universe.” -- Jorge Luis Borges ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Pompey made his preparations for the war at the end of the winter, entered upon it at the commencement of spring, and finished it in the middle of the summer." -- Cicero, De Imperio Cn. Pompei |
| waterlily User ID: 48755735 United States12/08/2013 03:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | they better get busy building new prisons. how much will that cost? lets see, 3 meals a day, room service, full medical benefits. sounds good to me. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49649437 Actually, when everyone is down and out in this country and the malls start closing by the hundreds, they will use those. And the Big Box stores too. Yes, this is the plan. I think Zerohedge had a report on this recently, I can't find it with google, apparently a large shopping mall company had a contract to provide this for DHS. The walmart where I live recently did a large renovation, it looks like a prison now. The checkout aisles look like they are set up to process prisoners. Windows are little slits. Thanks for that info. I looked at our Walmart a few years ago, and saw a distinct resemblance to a security installation. No windows on sides or rear, few in front in the doors, no side doors, loading dock and little door in back. Only a couple of ways in and a couple of ways out and concrete all in between. Presto chango! *********** WaterLily *********** " Do I dare Disturb the universe?" -- T. S. Elliot, Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock ************************************* “We are as ignorant of the meaning of the dragon as we are of the meaning of the universe.” -- Jorge Luis Borges ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Pompey made his preparations for the war at the end of the winter, entered upon it at the commencement of spring, and finished it in the middle of the summer." -- Cicero, De Imperio Cn. Pompei |
