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Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?

 
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Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
So far:

Call 1: 16-18
Call 3: 8-10
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
And in chronological order, they would be:

So far:

Call 4 (Roig?): 0
Call 1 (Halstead): 16-18
Call 2 (duplicate)
Call 3:(Thorne): 8-10
Call 5: (Pisani): 0
Call 6: (Thorne): 0
Call 7: (Thorne): 10-12
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
Some of those need to be checked to make sure they aren't pops from someone's microphone or other electronic pops; many however are very clear shots.
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
So if we count conservatively, that's:

Call 1 (Halstead): 16
Call 3:(Thorne): 8
Call 7: (Thorne): 10

Roughly 34 shots.
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
How many different threads do you need to start to discuss this rhetorical line of reasoning?

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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
How many different threads do you need to start to discuss this rhetorical line of reasoning?
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
How many different threads do you need to start to discuss this rhetorical line of reasoning?
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slaphim
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What...you don't think 3 is enough? Need more?
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
How many different threads do you need to start to discuss this rhetorical line of reasoning?
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What...you don't think 3 is enough? Need more?
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I'm sorry if I offended. I think the number of shots is important for its own sake, and different as a line of questioning from that of why people didn't (seem to) call during the first barrage.

Counting the shots involves a lot of repeated listening, technical and physical discussions on sound characteristics, etc. I think it's too narrow a science, personally, to include in a general discussion of why people wouldn't be calling 911 when shots were fired.
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
How many different threads do you need to start to discuss this rhetorical line of reasoning?
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I apologize for the "130+ shots" thread; I had forgotten there were so many shots in Halstead's call.
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
More like 10 tops across all the calls. Thats being generous

If you want to clarify, simply feed the audio in a shot analysis software. Most the SHOTS you think you hear is pulses of air from breathing.
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
More like 10 tops across all the calls. Thats being generous

If you want to clarify, simply feed the audio in a shot analysis software. Most the SHOTS you think you hear is pulses of air from breathing.
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Aw hell no. There are 10 shots in the last 5 seconds of Halstead's call alone.
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
More like 10 tops across all the calls. Thats being generous

If you want to clarify, simply feed the audio in a shot analysis software. Most the SHOTS you think you hear is pulses of air from breathing.
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Those are no breathing sounds.
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
More like 10 tops across all the calls. Thats being generous

If you want to clarify, simply feed the audio in a shot analysis software. Most the SHOTS you think you hear is pulses of air from breathing.
 Quoting: ACG 20306206


Those are no breathing sounds.
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Get new ears dude. There are tons of breathing sounds.
Is there a chance we could get some honesty up in here?
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
More like 10 tops across all the calls. Thats being generous

If you want to clarify, simply feed the audio in a shot analysis software. Most the SHOTS you think you hear is pulses of air from breathing.
 Quoting: ACG 20306206


Those are no breathing sounds.
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Get new ears dude. There are tons of breathing sounds.
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Bullshit.

Play the end of Call 1 after she says, "They're still shooting -- Sandy Hook School, please!"

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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
It'll be from 00:15 on.
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
It'll be from 00:15 on.
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I hear what seems to be shots. I also hear heavy breathing and wanna know what else is odd? The heavy breathing does not match Halsted's talking
Is there a chance we could get some honesty up in here?
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
It'll be from 00:15 on.
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I hear what seems to be shots. I also hear heavy breathing and wanna know what else is odd? The heavy breathing does not match Halsted's talking
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I didn't say there were no breathing sounds, I said THOSE are no breathing sounds (being emphatic about the gun shots not sounding like breathing).

Sorry if it was confusing.
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
And sorry I got testy. Bit of a rough day.
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
And sorry I got testy. Bit of a rough day.
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No prob. Did you notice the heavy breathing does not match the caller?
Is there a chance we could get some honesty up in here?
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
And sorry I got testy. Bit of a rough day.
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No prob. Did you notice the heavy breathing does not match the caller?
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Sounds normal to me. Not sure what you mean by it not matching. She's exhaling harder than she's inhaling, to my ears. Sounds like I sound when I'm freaked.

I don't think her call is fake. I just don't know what is actually frightening her. I've heard that tone of panic in a voice (and generated it myself). But again, that has nothing to do with whether or not the entire story is accurate. For all we know this phone exchange took place a decade ago.
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
And sorry I got testy. Bit of a rough day.
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No prob. Did you notice the heavy breathing does not match the caller?
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Sounds normal to me. Not sure what you mean by it not matching. She's exhaling harder than she's inhaling, to my ears. Sounds like I sound when I'm freaked.

I don't think her call is fake. I just don't know what is actually frightening her. I've heard that tone of panic in a voice (and generated it myself). But again, that has nothing to do with whether or not the entire story is accurate. For all we know this phone exchange took place a decade ago.
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Actually you hear heavy exhaling as she is saying uuuuhhhh at the end with her voice trailing off.
Is there a chance we could get some honesty up in here?
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
At any rate, many gunshots can be heard clearly in these calls.

Whether their blanks or not is hard to tell, but in at least one instance I'm pretty sure I heard the characteristic whine of one flying past the phone. For reasons I'm too embarrassed to detail at the moment, I have heard that noise, up close and personal (stupid ignorant young person thing).
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
I think "whirrr" is actually the better word.
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
Also - does it sound to others hear as if some of the shots are from a pistol rather than a rifle?
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
Having taken an ear break for a few months, it's very interesting to now come back to the shots, in particular to do so having lined them up in an audio editor so that the sound of each shot can be examined across multiple calls.

In some cases, you can't hear an actual shot (or there will be an artifact too faint to be sure), but you can hear that particular caller's verbal reaction to the shot (and that shot itself is clearly audible in another call).

In some cases it sounds very much like shooters exchanging fire, or two shooters shooting in different parts of the building simultaneously, or one shooter using different weapons in rapid succession.
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
Because the calls can be synced very, very accurately (using the police audio as time reference), it is also possible to tell which caller is closest the shot or at least the fact that in some cases, it is the echo of a shot that is reaching one caller, while another caller's waveform shows the actual beginning of the shot.
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
With the right software (or what will really be the case, a lot of pencil work) it would be possible to build a 3d model showing roughly where each shot took place; this is because in many cases, shots can be heard across at least 3 calls.
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
One last thing for any of you listening to the audio: cellphones are very, very good at making you think you're listening to both sides of a conversation at once. The handoff between Caller A and Caller B is so fast, that the ear literally thinks you can hear both people (and their environments) at once, but you can't, really.

In some cases, for example, you'll see a dispatchers audio go flat--the caller's side of the conversation is taking over, but the noise that made that happen is so faint you can't hear it as anything more than a whisper or the faintest "whoosh" sound.

Once you're used to the sound of a shot taking over the conversation, however, you'll recognize it in many cases. And then when that sound is confirmed by a loud shot on some other call, you know you have it.
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
Very interesting - in some series of shots, the Female B talking to Nadeau always has a faint version of the shot before the sound reaches Beth.

Sigh. A real audio expert would know what to do with this. This is EXACTLY why Sedensky destroyed that school. The exact pattern of shots and echoes and calibers and cellphone models could be reproduced over time, and a reconstruction of the actual shootings produced.

But, you know, what investigation into a mass murder wants that. Smh.
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
There's a very loud clicking that happens across multiple tracks - sounds an awful lot like a shotgun cycling.
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
Wow - never noticed this. A very notable shot in Beth's call at 9:44:50 can actually be heard in the radio transmission of the NPD officer saying "S6," just as he finishes the "six."

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