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Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?

 
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Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
So far:

Call 1: 16-18
Call 3: 8-10
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
And in chronological order, they would be:

So far:

Call 4 (Roig?): 0
Call 1 (Halstead): 16-18
Call 2 (duplicate)
Call 3:(Thorne): 8-10
Call 5: (Pisani): 0
Call 6: (Thorne): 0
Call 7: (Thorne): 10-12
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
Some of those need to be checked to make sure they aren't pops from someone's microphone or other electronic pops; many however are very clear shots.
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
So if we count conservatively, that's:

Call 1 (Halstead): 16
Call 3:(Thorne): 8
Call 7: (Thorne): 10

Roughly 34 shots.
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
How many different threads do you need to start to discuss this rhetorical line of reasoning?

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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
How many different threads do you need to start to discuss this rhetorical line of reasoning?
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
How many different threads do you need to start to discuss this rhetorical line of reasoning?
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What...you don't think 3 is enough? Need more?
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
How many different threads do you need to start to discuss this rhetorical line of reasoning?
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slaphim
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What...you don't think 3 is enough? Need more?
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I'm sorry if I offended. I think the number of shots is important for its own sake, and different as a line of questioning from that of why people didn't (seem to) call during the first barrage.

Counting the shots involves a lot of repeated listening, technical and physical discussions on sound characteristics, etc. I think it's too narrow a science, personally, to include in a general discussion of why people wouldn't be calling 911 when shots were fired.
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
How many different threads do you need to start to discuss this rhetorical line of reasoning?
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I apologize for the "130+ shots" thread; I had forgotten there were so many shots in Halstead's call.
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
More like 10 tops across all the calls. Thats being generous

If you want to clarify, simply feed the audio in a shot analysis software. Most the SHOTS you think you hear is pulses of air from breathing.
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
More like 10 tops across all the calls. Thats being generous

If you want to clarify, simply feed the audio in a shot analysis software. Most the SHOTS you think you hear is pulses of air from breathing.
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Aw hell no. There are 10 shots in the last 5 seconds of Halstead's call alone.
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
More like 10 tops across all the calls. Thats being generous

If you want to clarify, simply feed the audio in a shot analysis software. Most the SHOTS you think you hear is pulses of air from breathing.
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Those are no breathing sounds.
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
More like 10 tops across all the calls. Thats being generous

If you want to clarify, simply feed the audio in a shot analysis software. Most the SHOTS you think you hear is pulses of air from breathing.
 Quoting: ACG 20306206


Those are no breathing sounds.
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Get new ears dude. There are tons of breathing sounds.
Is there a chance we could get some honesty up in here?
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
More like 10 tops across all the calls. Thats being generous

If you want to clarify, simply feed the audio in a shot analysis software. Most the SHOTS you think you hear is pulses of air from breathing.
 Quoting: ACG 20306206


Those are no breathing sounds.
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Get new ears dude. There are tons of breathing sounds.
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Bullshit.

Play the end of Call 1 after she says, "They're still shooting -- Sandy Hook School, please!"

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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
It'll be from 00:15 on.
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
It'll be from 00:15 on.
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I hear what seems to be shots. I also hear heavy breathing and wanna know what else is odd? The heavy breathing does not match Halsted's talking
Is there a chance we could get some honesty up in here?
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
It'll be from 00:15 on.
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I hear what seems to be shots. I also hear heavy breathing and wanna know what else is odd? The heavy breathing does not match Halsted's talking
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I didn't say there were no breathing sounds, I said THOSE are no breathing sounds (being emphatic about the gun shots not sounding like breathing).

Sorry if it was confusing.
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
And sorry I got testy. Bit of a rough day.
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
And sorry I got testy. Bit of a rough day.
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No prob. Did you notice the heavy breathing does not match the caller?
Is there a chance we could get some honesty up in here?
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
And sorry I got testy. Bit of a rough day.
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No prob. Did you notice the heavy breathing does not match the caller?
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Sounds normal to me. Not sure what you mean by it not matching. She's exhaling harder than she's inhaling, to my ears. Sounds like I sound when I'm freaked.

I don't think her call is fake. I just don't know what is actually frightening her. I've heard that tone of panic in a voice (and generated it myself). But again, that has nothing to do with whether or not the entire story is accurate. For all we know this phone exchange took place a decade ago.
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
And sorry I got testy. Bit of a rough day.
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No prob. Did you notice the heavy breathing does not match the caller?
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Sounds normal to me. Not sure what you mean by it not matching. She's exhaling harder than she's inhaling, to my ears. Sounds like I sound when I'm freaked.

I don't think her call is fake. I just don't know what is actually frightening her. I've heard that tone of panic in a voice (and generated it myself). But again, that has nothing to do with whether or not the entire story is accurate. For all we know this phone exchange took place a decade ago.
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Actually you hear heavy exhaling as she is saying uuuuhhhh at the end with her voice trailing off.
Is there a chance we could get some honesty up in here?
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
At any rate, many gunshots can be heard clearly in these calls.

Whether their blanks or not is hard to tell, but in at least one instance I'm pretty sure I heard the characteristic whine of one flying past the phone. For reasons I'm too embarrassed to detail at the moment, I have heard that noise, up close and personal (stupid ignorant young person thing).
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
I think "whirrr" is actually the better word.
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Re: Sandy Hook: How many shots are audible in the 911 calls?
Also - does it sound to others hear as if some of the shots are from a pistol rather than a rifle?

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