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Sandy Hook: Why didn't anyone call 911 while 120 shots were fired?

 
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Sandy Hook: Why didn't anyone call 911 while 120 shots were fired?
Trying this again.

A superficial count of shots audible in the 911 calls is: approximately 34 shots.

These shots are audible in Call 1, Call 3, and Call 7.

With a total of 153 (or 154 depending on the story) shots fired, that would mean that school staff waited while approximately 120 shots were fired.

Did no one call 911 during this time?

The first 911 call is allegedly at 9:35 a.m. Only 34 shots are heard after that time, ending finally with the last audible shot at approximately 9:47 a.m.

When were the first 120 shots fired, and wouldn't be expected that multiple 911 calls would be made at least, say, after the first 20 or 30?
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Re: Sandy Hook: Why didn't anyone call 911 while 120 shots were fired?
its a hoax a play and false flag...never happened

look at this link...sandy hook was not even open

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Re: Sandy Hook: Why didn't anyone call 911 while 120 shots were fired?
And where the helicopters for medical evac?

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Re: Sandy Hook: Why didn't anyone call 911 while 120 shots were fired?
Trying this again.

A superficial count of shots audible in the 911 calls is: approximately 34 shots.

These shots are audible in Call 1, Call 3, and Call 7.

With a total of 153 (or 154 depending on the story) shots fired, that would mean that school staff waited while approximately 120 shots were fired.

Did no one call 911 during this time?

The first 911 call is allegedly at 9:35 a.m. Only 34 shots are heard after that time, ending finally with the last audible shot at approximately 9:47 a.m.

When were the first 120 shots fired, and wouldn't be expected that multiple 911 calls would be made at least, say, after the first 20 or 30?
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Re: Sandy Hook: Why didn't anyone call 911 while 120 shots were fired?
sorry meant this one...not even an operational school when this picture was taken in the fall of 2012...look for the high school and st rose school on that same day...all had buses and cars in the parking lots

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Re: Sandy Hook: Why didn't anyone call 911 while 120 shots were fired?
Is the answer, for example, that the first shots were fired more rapidly than those being fired by the time the first 911 callers dialed?

Or that people WERE calling 911, all from cellphones, and these were not yet making it to Nute in Newtown?
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Re: Sandy Hook: Why didn't anyone call 911 while 120 shots were fired?
Is the answer, for example, that the first shots were fired more rapidly than those being fired by the time the first 911 callers dialed?

Or that people WERE calling 911, all from cellphones, and these were not yet making it to Nute in Newtown?
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Even though I find this line of questioning ridiculous there is an aha moment here. How is it that we actually here the shots at all? There is a right answer I just want to see if you know what it is OP.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Why didn't anyone call 911 while 120 shots were fired?
Is the answer, for example, that the first shots were fired more rapidly than those being fired by the time the first 911 callers dialed?

Or that people WERE calling 911, all from cellphones, and these were not yet making it to Nute in Newtown?
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Even though I find this line of questioning ridiculous there is an aha moment here. How is it that we actually here the shots at all? There is a right answer I just want to see if you know what it is OP.
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Why is it ridiculous?

911 calls start up - and only 34 shots out of 154 are then fired? Isn't it at least logical to ask whether earlier calls were made?

I've long thought earlier calls may have been made, and the relatively few gunshots audible on the 911 calls may be evidence in support of an earlier event.

For all I know, they're firing blanks, or playing a tape recording of gunshots, or perhaps some of them aren't gunshots at all.

The question "why didn't anyone call 911 while 120 shots were fired" isn't meant to prove 120 shots were fired; rather it's meant to generate possible answers such as:

1. 120 shots weren't fired
2. Two people were firing 120 shots in half the time it would have taken one shooter
3. Because there were only 50 total shots fired
4. Because none of this ever happened

Etc.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Why didn't anyone call 911 while 120 shots were fired?
Is the answer, for example, that the first shots were fired more rapidly than those being fired by the time the first 911 callers dialed?

Or that people WERE calling 911, all from cellphones, and these were not yet making it to Nute in Newtown?
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Even though I find this line of questioning ridiculous there is an aha moment here. How is it that we actually here the shots at all? There is a right answer I just want to see if you know what it is OP.
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We hear the shots because for some of the time, Rick's cellphone is simplexing his side of the conversation (which of course hints at the possibility that many more shots were fired during his call, that we don't hear).

That's one answer.

As far as "why not just edit them out?" I really think Sedensky is willing to stick his neck out only so far. He was so spooked (or whatever) of the 911 call issue that he tried to claim for ages that he had never listened to them.

THAT caught my attention. If he claims he didn't listen to them, he can't be subpoenaed to testify to what he heard in calls that are now...missing.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Why didn't anyone call 911 while 120 shots were fired?
Is the answer, for example, that the first shots were fired more rapidly than those being fired by the time the first 911 callers dialed?

Or that people WERE calling 911, all from cellphones, and these were not yet making it to Nute in Newtown?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47123839


Even though I find this line of questioning ridiculous there is an aha moment here. How is it that we actually here the shots at all? There is a right answer I just want to see if you know what it is OP.
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We hear the shots because for some of the time, Rick's cellphone is simplexing his side of the conversation (which of course hints at the possibility that many more shots were fired during his call, that we don't hear).

That's one answer.

As far as "why not just edit them out?" I really think Sedensky is willing to stick his neck out only so far. He was so spooked (or whatever) of the 911 call issue that he tried to claim for ages that he had never listened to them.

THAT caught my attention. If he claims he didn't listen to them, he can't be subpoenaed to testify to what he heard in calls that are now...missing.
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Okay I will ask again why do WE hear the shots?
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Re: Sandy Hook: Why didn't anyone call 911 while 120 shots were fired?
My understanding is that FEMA took over for local communications for a 5 hour period, during which it was not possible to call local or state copz. All calls were routed through a FEMA communication hub.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Why didn't anyone call 911 while 120 shots were fired?
He does not react to the shots
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Re: Sandy Hook: Why didn't anyone call 911 while 120 shots were fired?
What difference does it make? NOBODY was killed!
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Re: Sandy Hook: Why didn't anyone call 911 while 120 shots were fired?
He does not react to the shots
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He reacts to some, but not to the 9:46 shots that prompts the officers to yell, "Did you hear shooting?!" I found that curious, too. The officers clearly heard it, and someone in dispatch even said, "Is that the shooter?"

By the last shot at 9:47 though, he seems to disappear altogether. Makes me wonder if he dropped the phone or set it down.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Why didn't anyone call 911 while 120 shots were fired?
What difference does it make? NOBODY was killed!
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It's a felony (about 50 felonies) either way.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Why didn't anyone call 911 while 120 shots were fired?
He does not react to the shots
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He reacts to some, but not to the 9:46 shots that prompts the officers to yell, "Did you hear shooting?!" I found that curious, too. The officers clearly heard it, and someone in dispatch even said, "Is that the shooter?"

By the last shot at 9:47 though, he seems to disappear altogether. Makes me wonder if he dropped the phone or set it down.
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which shots does Nute react to?
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Re: Sandy Hook: Why didn't anyone call 911 while 120 shots were fired?
He does not react to the shots
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Do you mean Thorne or Nute?
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Re: Sandy Hook: Why didn't anyone call 911 while 120 shots were fired?
What difference does it make? NOBODY was killed!
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Well if nobody was killed, then the Ct. State Police, Newtown Police, State Medical Examiner, and the families of the supposed victims, among others, are all bald-faced liars.

That's why it matters, sonny.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Why didn't anyone call 911 while 120 shots were fired?
My understanding is that FEMA took over for local communications for a 5 hour period, during which it was not possible to call local or state copz. All calls were routed through a FEMA communication hub.
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Can you expand on that or provide some sort of evidence for that? That is intriguing.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Why didn't anyone call 911 while 120 shots were fired?
He does not react to the shots
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Do you mean Thorne or Nute?
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Nute
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Re: Sandy Hook: Why didn't anyone call 911 while 120 shots were fired?
If you mean Nute, I think Nute is just doing his job. Remember he's dispatching both police and EMS at the same time as answering the 911 call.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Why didn't anyone call 911 while 120 shots were fired?
What difference does it make? NOBODY was killed!
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51593903


Well if nobody was killed, then the Ct. State Police, Newtown Police, State Medical Examiner, and the families of the supposed victims, among others, are all bald-faced liars.

That's why it matters, sonny.
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Of course they are. but nobody will be able to cuff them, that's the only problem
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Re: Sandy Hook: Why didn't anyone call 911 while 120 shots were fired?
They've told him there's shooting - I don't think he needs to stop and say "oh my god more shooting," I think he is just trying to keep everyone calm. He's also turning his attention away from Rick repeatedly.

You could ck the police audio and see if Nute's doing other things on-air at the time of the shots, I suppose. When I get home to my regular computer I'll look at the timeline, or maybe someone else will beat me to it.

But right after Pisani's call I believe Nute starts getting ambulances to Sandy Hook Center.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Why didn't anyone call 911 while 120 shots were fired?
What difference does it make? NOBODY was killed!
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51593903


Well if nobody was killed, then the Ct. State Police, Newtown Police, State Medical Examiner, and the families of the supposed victims, among others, are all bald-faced liars.

That's why it matters, sonny.
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Of course they are. but nobody will be able to cuff them, that's the only problem
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They just cuffed someone the other day based in 30 year old DNA evidence. Anything's possible (and yes, I know they destroyed much of the DNA evidence in this case).
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Re: Sandy Hook: Why didn't anyone call 911 while 120 shots were fired?
They've told him there's shooting - I don't think he needs to stop and say "oh my god more shooting," I think he is just trying to keep everyone calm. He's also turning his attention away from Rick repeatedly.

You could ck the police audio and see if Nute's doing other things on-air at the time of the shots, I suppose. When I get home to my regular computer I'll look at the timeline, or maybe someone else will beat me to it.

But right after Pisani's call I believe Nute starts getting ambulances to Sandy Hook Center.
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Do you have an idea why we don't hear any shots from the teacher who calls Jen and she is basically at ground zero?
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Re: Sandy Hook: Why didn't anyone call 911 while 120 shots were fired?
They've told him there's shooting - I don't think he needs to stop and say "oh my god more shooting," I think he is just trying to keep everyone calm. He's also turning his attention away from Rick repeatedly.

You could ck the police audio and see if Nute's doing other things on-air at the time of the shots, I suppose. When I get home to my regular computer I'll look at the timeline, or maybe someone else will beat me to it.

But right after Pisani's call I believe Nute starts getting ambulances to Sandy Hook Center.
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Do you have an idea why we don't hear any shots from the teacher who calls Jen and she is basically at ground zero?
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I've always thought the shooting may have been in Vollmer's hallway, not at the front of the school. Or at least, a lot of the shooting. Possibly at the back of the school as well.

But the original reports all stressed "kindergarten," and that's Vollmer's hallway.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Why didn't anyone call 911 while 120 shots were fired?
And Roig's classroom is as far toward the front of the bldg as you can get.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Why didn't anyone call 911 while 120 shots were fired?
They've told him there's shooting - I don't think he needs to stop and say "oh my god more shooting," I think he is just trying to keep everyone calm. He's also turning his attention away from Rick repeatedly.

You could ck the police audio and see if Nute's doing other things on-air at the time of the shots, I suppose. When I get home to my regular computer I'll look at the timeline, or maybe someone else will beat me to it.

But right after Pisani's call I believe Nute starts getting ambulances to Sandy Hook Center.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47123839


Do you have an idea why we don't hear any shots from the teacher who calls Jen and she is basically at ground zero?
 Quoting: Dudeashaneo


I've always thought the shooting may have been in Vollmer's hallway, not at the front of the school. Or at least, a lot of the shooting. Possibly at the back of the school as well.

But the original reports all stressed "kindergarten," and that's Vollmer's hallway.
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Huh? You are saying there are no gunshots in her call because the shooting was not where officials said it was? That would be in Rick's corridor then right?

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Re: Sandy Hook: Why didn't anyone call 911 while 120 shots were fired?
Yikes - I think I know why in Roig(?)'s call, she said she was calling from "Newtown, Connecticut."

She had, possibly, already called 911 on a cellphone, and since that would (if she got through) get her to a regional dispatch center, they would naturally ask, "And what city are you calling from?" or something along those lines.

She may have gotten disconnected (otherwise why would the call end), or perhaps she herself hung up; perhaps that regional dispatcher, or someone in her room, told her to try the landline?

Then when she calls a second time, this time from a landline, she automatically gives out the city and state again. I think giving the state would have just been an overcorrection from being told to give the city.

Or, she could just be new to the area, but comes from a city where dispatch is regional and she would be used to the concept of having to give out the city.

But I'm betting it's because she's already called 911 on a cellphone, been asked for her city, and then for some reason called 911 again from a landline.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Why didn't anyone call 911 while 120 shots were fired?
Yikes - I think I know why in Roig(?)'s call, she said she was calling from "Newtown, Connecticut."

She had, possibly, already called 911 on a cellphone, and since that would (if she got through) get her to a regional dispatch center, they would naturally ask, "And what city are you calling from?" or something along those lines.

She may have gotten disconnected (otherwise why would the call end), or perhaps she herself hung up; perhaps that regional dispatcher, or someone in her room, told her to try the landline?

Then when she calls a second time, this time from a landline, she automatically gives out the city and state again. I think giving the state would have just been an overcorrection from being told to give the city.

Or, she could just be new to the area, but comes from a city where dispatch is regional and she would be used to the concept of having to give out the city.

But I'm betting it's because she's already called 911 on a cellphone, been asked for her city, and then for some reason called 911 again from a landline.
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What makes you think it was Roig?

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