This is the op. 11 degree is the final truth. It is called the destination truth. It is the truth of where you go when you die. Jesus died, and the truth is he needs saving from where he is. He went to heaven but the problem is you can't leave heaven you can only fall. Sadly Jesus cannot do wrong, so he cannot fall. He needs to be saved from heaven and return to earth to help us. To save Jesus from heaven YOU MUST SIN. You must sin the final most deadly sin, you must take him from heaven by falling from earth.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34738644 1. I will try and abstain from giving you the "wüt chicken".
2. It is nearly impossible to ascertain you are OP, but I'll bite once.
3. I do hope you see the contradictive nature of your own statements are. (sin to save someone?..and save someone from what?? He can't do wrong but he is in trouble? Ohh man
4. "destination truth" = Read about the "bardo states", death is a transition state between this life and the next one, one after the another on different time/spaces. No Heaven, No Hell.
If you don't like the Tibetan bardo recounts, read the Kelts or the Cathars, they know their stuff. Hindus too, but are so shrouded in metaphors is hard to bite at first.
5. When you realize this event, and if your body is on working order, you can learn to return on your own, to your own body. Your actions make you a "good" fallen angel or a "bad" fallen angel; your doing, your choices, your consequences. Its all part of the game.
Yeshua Ben Yosef (stop calling him Jesus) was a high priest that knows how to do this. Learn to save your self, thats all anyone can do. That individual's avatar needs no saving for sure.
5. What is called a "fall" is what WE ALL had to do at incarnation, WE are all fallen angels while bodily incarnated with a low level consciousness...it a natural process we all slow our own energy for it to precipitate into matter states & incarnate.
6. "To save Jesus from heaven YOU MUST SIN. You must sin the final most deadly sin, you must take him from heaven by falling from earth."
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Be spiritual & don't believe other peoples' dogma; read & practice all the time, do unto others as you would like done unto yourself (because it is YOU!, again, reincarnated looking at your own old/future life...we all are facets, fragments of the one mind, the only-one soul)
Also....maybe, even reincarnate a few times more & get to you own conclusions.
Love & good riddance, bro.
~OM
