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(from the maker of "The Secret History of Dinosaurs")

Footprints In Stone - Forbidden History II



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Overwhelming evidence that humans and dinosaurs lived together at one time.

You will also hear testimony about how a state park used to feature man and dinosaur tracks together prior to the 1970's. They even had signs calling attention to the human tracks. After the 1970's they were told to remove the signs, destroy the tracks, and pretend they never existed.

There is some serious reality denial going on here. A lot of people's naturalistic religion is seriously threatened by the idea of Humans and dinosaurs living together.
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I have often thought that man and dinosaur did in fact live at the same time. I had no evidence to support my claim except to say that deep in my memories is the fact that we are now living in the third era of man. If we, are in fact in the third era, then when was the first? I have seen mans footprints in the same stone as prints made by dinosaurs, so, maybe what I had thought so many years ago may some day turn out to be true.
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Nice find OP!!
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Nice find OP!!
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So.....you all believe that man and dinosaur lived together?
It's about time. What....didn't you know that The Flintstones Cartoon was based on fact???

In all seriousness, the fact is that man did live during these times. I have seen the foot tracks of someone who, perhaps millions of years ago, stepped into mud and then that mud went on to become stone, leaving these foot prints as a "record" of their journey.

This is really cool!!!!!
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Guys... this is embarassing. It's been known for many years that the Paluxy River tracks were embellished and outright faked by... guess who? Creationists. They're so embarrassed by this now that I've even seen these 'trackways' listed on creationist websites as arguments not to use.

It's just possible that some of the larger dinosaurs (as well as birds) did survive (and perhaps even do) in places like the Congo Basin. There's also a lot of folklore that is now known to derive from fossils (Adrienne Mayer wrote the definitive book on this - The First Fossil Hunters). All interesting stuff, with lots of unknowns, and I'd love Mokele Mbembe to turn out to be real.

The glib glossing over of the hundreds of thousands of detailed papers piecing together the geological past is just painful. There are some interesting problems out there, but this ain't one of them. Most of the dinosaurs really did die out around 65 million years, at the same time as a large asteroid impact.

These videos are trying to persuade you there's a conspiracy against the truth, and they're absolutely right. The conspiracy, though, is theirs. There's a branch of fundamentalist Christianity that wants you to throw away everything we as a species have learned about the past. You might want to ponder why that would be.
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Guys... this is embarassing. It's been known for many years that the Paluxy River tracks were embellished and outright faked by... guess who? Creationists. They're so embarrassed by this now that I've even seen these 'trackways' listed on creationist websites as arguments not to use.

It's just possible that some of the larger dinosaurs (as well as birds) did survive (and perhaps even do) in places like the Congo Basin. There's also a lot of folklore that is now known to derive from fossils (Adrienne Mayer wrote the definitive book on this - The First Fossil Hunters). All interesting stuff, with lots of unknowns, and I'd love Mokele Mbembe to turn out to be real.

The glib glossing over of the hundreds of thousands of detailed papers piecing together the geological past is just painful. There are some interesting problems out there, but this ain't one of them. Most of the dinosaurs really did die out around 65 million years, at the same time as a large asteroid impact.

These videos are trying to persuade you there's a conspiracy against the truth, and they're absolutely right. The conspiracy, though, is theirs. There's a branch of fundamentalist Christianity that wants you to throw away everything we as a species have learned about the past. You might want to ponder why that would be.
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Known for years by who? Provide some links for verification.
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Guys... this is embarassing. It's been known for many years that the Paluxy River tracks were embellished and outright faked by... guess who? Creationists. They're so embarrassed by this now that I've even seen these 'trackways' listed on creationist websites as arguments not to use.

It's just possible that some of the larger dinosaurs (as well as birds) did survive (and perhaps even do) in places like the Congo Basin. There's also a lot of folklore that is now known to derive from fossils (Adrienne Mayer wrote the definitive book on this - The First Fossil Hunters). All interesting stuff, with lots of unknowns, and I'd love Mokele Mbembe to turn out to be real.

The glib glossing over of the hundreds of thousands of detailed papers piecing together the geological past is just painful. There are some interesting problems out there, but this ain't one of them. Most of the dinosaurs really did die out around 65 million years, at the same time as a large asteroid impact.

These videos are trying to persuade you there's a conspiracy against the truth, and they're absolutely right. The conspiracy, though, is theirs. There's a branch of fundamentalist Christianity that wants you to throw away everything we as a species have learned about the past. You might want to ponder why that would be.
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Known for years by who? Provide some links for verification.
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By practically everyone...
[link to ncse.com]
[link to www.talkorigins.org]
[link to www.badarchaeology.com]

A quick google will find you lots more.
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Guys... this is embarassing. It's been known for many years that the Paluxy River tracks were embellished and outright faked by... guess who? Creationists. They're so embarrassed by this now that I've even seen these 'trackways' listed on creationist websites as arguments not to use.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52012483


Um, no. They have never proven anything from Paluxy to be fake. At most, some of the samples were inconclusive. One of the fossil tracks (containing a dinosaur footprint overlapped onto a human footprint) was even subject to CATSCAN and showed unequivocally that the depressions were made at the same time and that it is authentic.

This direct evidence is simply ignored by evolutionists.
The consistent carbon-dating of dinosaur fossils to 22,000-39,000 years old is ignored by evolutionists.
The problem of preserved dinosaur protein found in fossils supposed to be 65+ million years old is ignored by evolutionists.

Connect the dots.

Here is the bottom line AC483. If those tracks are authentic then Evolution is dead wrong. A multi-billion dollar industry comes to a screeching halt. So what's more likely... evolutionists admitting these are real and effectively committing ideological suicide, or is it more likely that evolutionists will attack or ignore that the evidence exists?
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Guys... this is embarassing. It's been known for many years that the Paluxy River tracks were embellished and outright faked by... guess who? Creationists. They're so embarrassed by this now that I've even seen these 'trackways' listed on creationist websites as arguments not to use.

It's just possible that some of the larger dinosaurs (as well as birds) did survive (and perhaps even do) in places like the Congo Basin. There's also a lot of folklore that is now known to derive from fossils (Adrienne Mayer wrote the definitive book on this - The First Fossil Hunters). All interesting stuff, with lots of unknowns, and I'd love Mokele Mbembe to turn out to be real.

The glib glossing over of the hundreds of thousands of detailed papers piecing together the geological past is just painful. There are some interesting problems out there, but this ain't one of them. Most of the dinosaurs really did die out around 65 million years, at the same time as a large asteroid impact.

These videos are trying to persuade you there's a conspiracy against the truth, and they're absolutely right. The conspiracy, though, is theirs. There's a branch of fundamentalist Christianity that wants you to throw away everything we as a species have learned about the past. You might want to ponder why that would be.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52012483


Known for years by who? Provide some links for verification.
 Quoting: O^O


By practically everyone...
[link to ncse.com]
[link to www.talkorigins.org]
[link to www.badarchaeology.com]

A quick google will find you lots more.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52012483


In other words.. it is "known" by evolutionists whose careers and ideological commitments depend on the public's perception that the human-dino fossils are in error.

lol, the NCSE? give me a break.
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[link to www.youtube.com]

How Carbon-14 has been used to CONSISTENTLY date dinosaur bones to between 22,000 and 39,000 years before present.

Soft tissue proteins also found in dinosaur fossils.

DINOSAUR FOSSILS ARE NOT MILLIONS OF YEARS OLD.
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Guys... this is embarassing. It's been known for many years that the Paluxy River tracks were embellished and outright faked by... guess who? Creationists. They're so embarrassed by this now that I've even seen these 'trackways' listed on creationist websites as arguments not to use.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52012483


Um, no. They have never proven anything from Paluxy to be fake. At most, some of the samples were inconclusive. One of the fossil tracks (containing a dinosaur footprint overlapped onto a human footprint) was even subject to CATSCAN and showed unequivocally that the depressions were made at the same time and that it is authentic.

This direct evidence is simply ignored by evolutionists.
The consistent carbon-dating of dinosaur fossils to 22,000-39,000 years old is ignored by evolutionists.
The problem of preserved dinosaur protein found in fossils supposed to be 65+ million years old is ignored by evolutionists.

Connect the dots.

Here is the bottom line AC483. If those tracks are authentic then Evolution is dead wrong. A multi-billion dollar industry comes to a screeching halt. So what's more likely... evolutionists admitting these are real and effectively committing ideological suicide, or is it more likely that evolutionists will attack or ignore that the evidence exists?
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Sorry, but you're cherry picking - read the links above for the true story. Some of the footprints are obvious fakes, and a few are ambiguous, in that they do show a certain amount of curvature of the laminae. These are the ones I referred to as embellished rather than outright faked - you take a slightly worn dinosaur footprint that looks vaguely like a human foot, and neaten up the edges to make it look more convincing. Given that some are clearly fakes (I've even seen some that are paler than the surrounding rock, showing that the weathered surface has been scraped off to make the 'fossil' - that's just being lazy. E.g. [link to www.stanleyrice.com] would you really trust others that are so ambiguous? Think for yourself, and don't believe what someone tells you without going into the evidence objectively.

As for the carbon dating thing, you do realise that carbon dating doesn't work on things older than 50,000 years or so, right? It's because of the short half-life - as you approach the decay tail, the errors become enormous, just as they do at the other end of the decay curve. I once saw someone trying to pass off evidence against an old Earth on the basis of getting a dodgy answer from K-Ar dating of a modern lava flow. stoned

Use appropriate dating methods, and you get appropraite answers. Using the wrong ones to 'prove' they don't work will only work on people who don't know better - and that counts as wilful deception.

Again, the conspiracy is the other way round - it's the organised creationists you need to worry about, not the scattered global community of palaeontologists who are all competing with each other for jobs and funding.
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Guys... this is embarassing. It's been known for many years that the Paluxy River tracks were embellished and outright faked by... guess who? Creationists. They're so embarrassed by this now that I've even seen these 'trackways' listed on creationist websites as arguments not to use.

It's just possible that some of the larger dinosaurs (as well as birds) did survive (and perhaps even do) in places like the Congo Basin. There's also a lot of folklore that is now known to derive from fossils (Adrienne Mayer wrote the definitive book on this - The First Fossil Hunters). All interesting stuff, with lots of unknowns, and I'd love Mokele Mbembe to turn out to be real.

The glib glossing over of the hundreds of thousands of detailed papers piecing together the geological past is just painful. There are some interesting problems out there, but this ain't one of them. Most of the dinosaurs really did die out around 65 million years, at the same time as a large asteroid impact.

These videos are trying to persuade you there's a conspiracy against the truth, and they're absolutely right. The conspiracy, though, is theirs. There's a branch of fundamentalist Christianity that wants you to throw away everything we as a species have learned about the past. You might want to ponder why that would be.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52012483


Known for years by who? Provide some links for verification.
 Quoting: O^O


By practically everyone...
[link to ncse.com]
[link to www.talkorigins.org]
[link to www.badarchaeology.com]

A quick google will find you lots more.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52012483


In other words.. it is "known" by evolutionists whose careers and ideological commitments depend on the public's perception that the human-dino fossils are in error.

lol, the NCSE? give me a break.
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How about the Institute for Creation Research, then?
"it would now be improper for creationists to continue to use the Paluxy data as evidence against evolution"
www.icr.org/article/paluxy-river-mystery/
Like I say, it's practically everyone.
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Guys... this is embarassing. It's been known for many years that the Paluxy River tracks were embellished and outright faked by... guess who? Creationists. They're so embarrassed by this now that I've even seen these 'trackways' listed on creationist websites as arguments not to use.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52012483


Um, no. They have never proven anything from Paluxy to be fake. At most, some of the samples were inconclusive. One of the fossil tracks (containing a dinosaur footprint overlapped onto a human footprint) was even subject to CATSCAN and showed unequivocally that the depressions were made at the same time and that it is authentic.

This direct evidence is simply ignored by evolutionists.
The consistent carbon-dating of dinosaur fossils to 22,000-39,000 years old is ignored by evolutionists.
The problem of preserved dinosaur protein found in fossils supposed to be 65+ million years old is ignored by evolutionists.

Connect the dots.

Here is the bottom line AC483. If those tracks are authentic then Evolution is dead wrong. A multi-billion dollar industry comes to a screeching halt. So what's more likely... evolutionists admitting these are real and effectively committing ideological suicide, or is it more likely that evolutionists will attack or ignore that the evidence exists?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41202864


Sorry, but you're cherry picking - read the links above for the true story. Some of the footprints are obvious fakes, and a few are ambiguous, in that they do show a certain amount of curvature of the laminae. These are the ones I referred to as embellished rather than outright faked - you take a slightly worn dinosaur footprint that looks vaguely like a human foot, and neaten up the edges to make it look more convincing. Given that some are clearly fakes (I've even seen some that are paler than the surrounding rock, showing that the weathered surface has been scraped off to make the 'fossil' - that's just being lazy. E.g. [link to www.stanleyrice.com] would you really trust others that are so ambiguous? Think for yourself, and don't believe what someone tells you without going into the evidence objectively.
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Nope, all hearsay that they are fakes. You have not commented on the Delk track (dino impressed on human) that has been CATSCAN'd at two certified laboratories. You can see this yourself at 20 minutes into the video. Proven without a doubt to be authentic.

As for the carbon dating thing, you do realise that carbon dating doesn't work on things older than 50,000 years or so, right? It's because of the short half-life - as you approach the decay tail, the errors become enormous, just as they do at the other end of the decay curve. I once saw someone trying to pass off evidence against an old Earth on the basis of getting a dodgy answer from K-Ar dating of a modern lava flow. stoned
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Uh huh. Now if only the carbon dating of dinosaurs samples were not CONSISTENTLY returned as 22,000-39,000 years old over a wide range of samples, then you would have a point. Nice try though!

And you have no rebuttal to all of the protein found in dinosaur fossils. You and I both know protein bonds are not going to last for 65 million years.

Your points are easily refuted. Let's see how long you can keep this charade up.
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For the many, mind calculates abruptly. The years that Earth has existed has hosted many breeds, many intelligent also.

Because you see that one story is misted or falsed by removal of a timeline - thought impossible to be anyway - you have not removed the creation story.
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How about the Institute for Creation Research, then?
"it would now be improper for creationists to continue to use the Paluxy data as evidence against evolution"
www.icr.org/article/paluxy-river-mystery/
Like I say, it's practically everyone.
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quote-mine.

here is the full statement:

Even though it would now be improper for creationists to continue to use the Paluxy data as evidence against evolution, in the light of these questions, there is still much that is not known about the tracks and continued research is in order.

And this article was written in 1986


There have been numerous new samples recovered and subject to more refined testing methods since then.

Nice try, though AC! I admire these efforts.
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Guys... this is embarassing. It's been known for many years that the Paluxy River tracks were embellished and outright faked by... guess who? Creationists. They're so embarrassed by this now that I've even seen these 'trackways' listed on creationist websites as arguments not to use.

It's just possible that some of the larger dinosaurs (as well as birds) did survive (and perhaps even do) in places like the Congo Basin. There's also a lot of folklore that is now known to derive from fossils (Adrienne Mayer wrote the definitive book on this - The First Fossil Hunters). All interesting stuff, with lots of unknowns, and I'd love Mokele Mbembe to turn out to be real.

The glib glossing over of the hundreds of thousands of detailed papers piecing together the geological past is just painful. There are some interesting problems out there, but this ain't one of them. Most of the dinosaurs really did die out around 65 million years, at the same time as a large asteroid impact.

These videos are trying to persuade you there's a conspiracy against the truth, and they're absolutely right. The conspiracy, though, is theirs. There's a branch of fundamentalist Christianity that wants you to throw away everything we as a species have learned about the past. You might want to ponder why that would be.
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No, the Paluxy tracks have not been faked by Creationist, but there has been actual damage done to some of them by Evolutionist trying to suppress the facts about the trackways.
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How about the Institute for Creation Research, then?
"it would now be improper for creationists to continue to use the Paluxy data as evidence against evolution"
www.icr.org/article/paluxy-river-mystery/
Like I say, it's practically everyone.
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quote-mine.

here is the full statement:

Even though it would now be improper for creationists to continue to use the Paluxy data as evidence against evolution, in the light of these questions, there is still much that is not known about the tracks and continued research is in order.

And this article was written in 1986


There have been numerous new samples recovered and subject to more refined testing methods since then.

Nice try, though AC! I admire these efforts.
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Wow, AC that is pretty shameful to try and twist someone's words by using only a small part of their quote to make it say the near opposite of what they are actually saying.

That is exactly the type of tactics used by believers in the religion of evilution to trick people into believing their voodoo science. "Nothing exploded and created everything". Great theory to hinge your eternal destination upon...
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[link to www.youtube.com]

How Carbon-14 has been used to CONSISTENTLY date dinosaur bones to between 22,000 and 39,000 years before present.

Soft tissue proteins also found in dinosaur fossils.

DINOSAUR FOSSILS ARE NOT MILLIONS OF YEARS OLD.
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even if you found a living dinosaur today, it would not disprove evolution or an old earth. we have found animals that were thought to be extinct before. (actually, there are living dinosaurs today, birds. proven by the very own t-rex fossil that you claimed was proof of a young earth LOL)

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How Carbon-14 has been used to CONSISTENTLY date dinosaur bones to between 22,000 and 39,000 years before present.

Soft tissue proteins also found in dinosaur fossils.

DINOSAUR FOSSILS ARE NOT MILLIONS OF YEARS OLD.
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even if you found a living dinosaur today, it would not disprove evolution or an old earth. we have found animals that were thought to be extinct before. (actually, there are living dinosaurs today, birds. proven by the very own t-rex fossil that you claimed was proof of a young earth LOL)
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Did you watch the video nachos?
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[link to www.youtube.com]

How Carbon-14 has been used to CONSISTENTLY date dinosaur bones to between 22,000 and 39,000 years before present.

Soft tissue proteins also found in dinosaur fossils.

DINOSAUR FOSSILS ARE NOT MILLIONS OF YEARS OLD.
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even if you found a living dinosaur today, it would not disprove evolution or an old earth. we have found animals that were thought to be extinct before. (actually, there are living dinosaurs today, birds. proven by the very own t-rex fossil that you claimed was proof of a young earth LOL)
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Guys... this is embarassing. It's been known for many years that the Paluxy River tracks were embellished and outright faked by... guess who? Creationists. They're so embarrassed by this now that I've even seen these 'trackways' listed on creationist websites as arguments not to use.

It's just possible that some of the larger dinosaurs (as well as birds) did survive (and perhaps even do) in places like the Congo Basin. There's also a lot of folklore that is now known to derive from fossils (Adrienne Mayer wrote the definitive book on this - The First Fossil Hunters). All interesting stuff, with lots of unknowns, and I'd love Mokele Mbembe to turn out to be real.

The glib glossing over of the hundreds of thousands of detailed papers piecing together the geological past is just painful. There are some interesting problems out there, but this ain't one of them. Most of the dinosaurs really did die out around 65 million years, at the same time as a large asteroid impact.

These videos are trying to persuade you there's a conspiracy against the truth, and they're absolutely right. The conspiracy, though, is theirs. There's a branch of fundamentalist Christianity that wants you to throw away everything we as a species have learned about the past. You might want to ponder why that would be.
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No, the Paluxy tracks have not been faked by Creationist, but there has been actual damage done to some of them by Evolutionist trying to suppress the facts about the trackways.
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Yes an evolutionary paleontologist was witnessed destroying one of the better prints with an iron pole.
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[link to www.youtube.com]

How Carbon-14 has been used to CONSISTENTLY date dinosaur bones to between 22,000 and 39,000 years before present.

Soft tissue proteins also found in dinosaur fossils.

DINOSAUR FOSSILS ARE NOT MILLIONS OF YEARS OLD.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41202864


even if you found a living dinosaur today, it would not disprove evolution or an old earth. we have found animals that were thought to be extinct before. (actually, there are living dinosaurs today, birds. proven by the very own t-rex fossil that you claimed was proof of a young earth LOL)
 Quoting: Nachos


Did you watch the video nachos?
 Quoting: UnmannedAerialPilot


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it is mainly covering the 2002 fossil Mary Schweitzer found but it still answers the 2005 one.
Debunking "Evolution Vs God"
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