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There's Not One Single Credible Contemporary Historical Account of Jesus Christ

 
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Yes there is, Science, disbelievers and atheist's God, Italian
Scientists in 2011 studied the Shroud of Turin.

Their findings, the UV light that made the marks on the
Shroud, cannot yet be produced by man.

This was Our Lord's Resurrection. Alleluia
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Yes there is, Science, disbelievers and atheist's God, Italian
Scientists in 2011 studied the Shroud of Turin.

Their findings, the UV light that made the marks on the
Shroud, cannot yet be produced by man.

This was Our Lord's Resurrection. Alleluia
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The Shroud of Turin, rofl. You do realize it's been dated to like the year 1000 or so right?
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Are you asking if Paul gave exact quotes of what Jesus said? I don't understand what you want. The purpose of Paul's letters was to preach the good news of Jesus and to tell others how to be Jesus' followers based on the way Jesus called them to live. Nothing else.
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Stupid ass. Paul's complete 100% non-interest in anything Jesus said or did, his complete NON corroboration of the alleged miracles, teachings, etc. is compelling evidence that the bullshit is made up. THis is because Paul wrote what he wrote WAY before the gospels were written, so he probably didn't even know Jesus was a miracle worker, they didn't make that up yet. Get it??? dumbass
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He didn't know Jesus was a miracle worker? You realize Jesus supposedly appeared to him in a vision and blinded him right?
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Look, all you imbeciles who refuse to acknowledge even the slightest crack in your "armor" lmao

Not one single person wrote one single thing about Jesus while he was alive, that we know of. Now, that is a PROBLEM, don't you think???

OK, so then we have these idiotic notions being asserted, God impregnating a virgin, believe in his son, or burn in hell forever, even though there is no mention of heaven or hell in the entire old testament...

Now, we could go on forever demonstrating how insane it is to believe this shit, but for now...

Let's focus on finding a SLIGHT bit of substantiation for ANYTHING asserted in the Bible as fact.

IF Jesus was a wonderful teacher (which his alleged teachings were already being said before he lived, fyi) AND a miracle worker, AND born of a virgin, why did Paul not mention it whatsoever??? Why did Paul make not the slightest inquiry into anything Jesus said or did, not even from the apostles??? After all, it's all SO wonderful. lmao

So, back to your pathetic "question". Presuming an allegedly spiritual Jesus accosted Paul and told him to knock it off, it doesn't mean the earthly Jesus was a miracle worker. dumbass
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I notice how it's always the blindest and most doomed people, who are doing the most laughing.

Ironic.
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Historical Document: "The Physical Appearance of Jesus



To Tiberius Caesar



A young man appeared in Galilee preaching with humble unction, a new law in the Name of the God that had sent Him. At first I was apprehensive that His design was to stir up the people against the Romans, but my fears were soon dispelled. Jesus of Nazareth spoke rather as a friend of the Romans than of the Jews. One day I observed in the midst of a group of people a young man who was leaning against a tree, calmly addressing the multitude. I was told it was Jesus. This I could easily have suspected so great was the difference between Him and those who were listening to Him. His golden colored hair and beard gave to his appearance a celestial aspect. He appeared to be about 30 years of age. Never have I seen a sweeter or more serene countenance. What a contrast between Him and His bearers with their black beards and tawny complexions! Unwilling to interrupt Him by my presence, I continued my walk but signified to my secretary to join the group and listen. Later, my secretary reported that never had he seen in the works of all the philosophers anything that compared to the teachings of Jesus. He told me that Jesus was neither seditious nor rebellious, so we extended to Him our protection. He was at liberty to act, to speak, to assemble and to address the people. This unlimited freedom provoked the Jews-not the poor but the rich and powerful.
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Too bad it's not genuine. NEXT!
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This thread could go on to 100 pages and no convincing evidence for the existence of a historical Jesus Christ will be provided....because it simply does not exist. And yet the believers will continue on posting the same debunked, contested, vague, or ambiguous references over and over again.
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[link to www.mariavaltortawebring.com]





Historical Document: "The Physical Appearance of Jesus



To Tiberius Caesar



A young man appeared in Galilee preaching with humble unction, a new law in the Name of the God that had sent Him. At first I was apprehensive that His design was to stir up the people against the Romans, but my fears were soon dispelled. Jesus of Nazareth spoke rather as a friend of the Romans than of the Jews. One day I observed in the midst of a group of people a young man who was leaning against a tree, calmly addressing the multitude. I was told it was Jesus. This I could easily have suspected so great was the difference between Him and those who were listening to Him. His golden colored hair and beard gave to his appearance a celestial aspect. He appeared to be about 30 years of age. Never have I seen a sweeter or more serene countenance. What a contrast between Him and His bearers with their black beards and tawny complexions! Unwilling to interrupt Him by my presence, I continued my walk but signified to my secretary to join the group and listen. Later, my secretary reported that never had he seen in the works of all the philosophers anything that compared to the teachings of Jesus. He told me that Jesus was neither seditious nor rebellious, so we extended to Him our protection. He was at liberty to act, to speak, to assemble and to address the people. This unlimited freedom provoked the Jews-not the poor but the rich and powerful.
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You could not have FAILED more if you had tried!

‘The alleged Hebrew original is attributed to Nicodemus. ......... The "Acta" consist of three sections, which reveal inequalities of style. ......... forms the third section, This does not exist in the Greek text and is a later addition. ......... We are forced to admit that is of later origin, and scholars agree in assigning it to the middle of the fourth century.'
[link to www.newadvent.org]

More fakery from desperate Bible-Tards trying to prove the existence of their false idols.

Perhaps try again?..............Hurry! The rapture is fast approaching!


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This thread could go on to 100 pages and no convincing evidence for the existence of a historical Jesus Christ will be provided....because it simply does not exist. And yet the believers will continue on posting the same debunked, contested, vague, or ambiguous references over and over again.
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THIS ^...remember the king James version bible is just that....a version.

Most all of the Popes played, changed, and manipulated this collection of stories.

They are fables.

Josephus was the only historian ( a jewish/roman general)
who mentions Jesus of Nazareth...but Nazareth didn't really exist at that time.

Most scholars believe the Nazareth line was inserted many years later.
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Here is where logic escape OP.

if Atwill’s thesis is right, then not only did Jesus never exist, neither did Peter, James, or Paul. In fact, there would have been no Christians at all before the destruction of the Temple in A.D. 70. But we know this isn’t true because the Roman historian Tacitus records in his Annals (Book 15, 44) that Emperor Nero blames the Great Fire in Rome, which took place three years before the Jewish revolt, on a group called Christians.

Even if Tacitus were in on the act, how could the Romans have fabricated the existence of churches such as those in Ephesus or Thessalonica that were supposed to have existed, according to the book of Acts, for decades before the Jewish revolt? Wouldn’t the first Jews who joined the Christian church realize something was not quite right about this movement that sprang up overnight?
Moreover, nearly all scholars, including non-Christian scholars, agree that the New Testament documents represent a diverse writing style that cannot be attributed to a single author. Just a quick read of the four Gospels or a comparison of the Gospels to Paul’s letters makes this abundantly clear. Even if these documents were written by one person in order to pacify the Judean Jews (which has almost a zero percent chance of being true), then that person did an amazingly bad job at creating a fake messiah for the Jewish elite to embrace.

The author of First Corinthians admits that the cross, or a dying messiah, represented a “stumbling block for Jews” (1:23). Now Paul, the real author of First Corinthians, just had to accept that fact and preach it, since Jesus’ crucifixion really happened. However, if the entire story was made up, then why create a fake messiah who would be rejected by the Jewish elite and instead be primarily embraced by Gentiles, who weren’t even a part of the plan to begin with? Why also create lots of other contradictory apocryphal Gospels, like the Gospel of Thomas, that compete with your fake religion that you hope the future Church will not deem canonical?

Finally, how would the Romans get enough Jews who were willing to commit apostasy, blasphemy, and die as martyrs for the Empire in order to preach this new “gospel” to an illiterate world?
Finally, Richard Carrier, who is set to publish in 2014 an academic defense of the claim that, in all likelihood, Jesus never existed, writes,

I gave him a fair shot. But Atwill never has any defensible examples, rarely knows what he is talking about, gets a lot wrong, makes stuff up, never admits an error, and is generally in my experience a frustrating delusional fanatic. He also has no relevant academic degrees that I am aware of. And he appears to have made no effort to acquire fundamental skills (like a working knowledge of Greek or how to use a biblical textual apparatus). Yet he claims to be an expert. When will audiences get a clue?

When even the fringe rejects your view, where else can your argument go?
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OP rejects all facts about Jesus's existence without providing a shred of evidence to the contrary. Yet he claims that no evidence exists of Jesus until 60 years after his death and you take him at his word. Critical thinking at its finest, or should I say worst, by the people on this thread.

Historical scholars have examined documents from Jesus's time and have concluded that he existed and is a true historical figure.

So who do you want to believe, historical scholars or some anonymous coward on GLP who may be working for the government?
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OP rejects all facts about Jesus's existence without providing a shred of evidence to the contrary. Yet he claims that no evidence exists of Jesus until 60 years after his death and you take him at his word. Critical thinking at its finest, or should I say worst, by the people on this thread.

Historical scholars have examined documents from Jesus's time and have concluded that he existed and is a true historical figure.

So who do you want to believe, historical scholars or some anonymous coward on GLP who may be working for the government?
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Please provide peer-reviewed documents to support your argument.

Will said 'documents' be provided before Hell freezes over?

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OP rejects all facts about Jesus's existence without providing a shred of evidence to the contrary. Yet he claims that no evidence exists of Jesus until 60 years after his death and you take him at his word. Critical thinking at its finest, or should I say worst, by the people on this thread.

Historical scholars have examined documents from Jesus's time and have concluded that he existed and is a true historical figure.

So who do you want to believe, historical scholars or some anonymous coward on GLP who may be working for the government?
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Please provide peer-reviewed documents to support your argument.

Will said 'documents' be provided before Hell freezes over?

cruise
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Right after you provide documents to show that all of the facts presented on this thread supporting Jesus's existing are fake.
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OP rejects all facts about Jesus's existence without providing a shred of evidence to the contrary. Yet he claims that no evidence exists of Jesus until 60 years after his death and you take him at his word. Critical thinking at its finest, or should I say worst, by the people on this thread.

Historical scholars have examined documents from Jesus's time and have concluded that he existed and is a true historical figure.

So who do you want to believe, historical scholars or some anonymous coward on GLP who may be working for the government?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15708467


Please provide peer-reviewed documents to support your argument.

Will said 'documents' be provided before Hell freezes over?

cruise
 Quoting: IntoTheLight


Right after you provide documents to show that all of the facts presented on this thread supporting Jesus's existing are fake.
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Nice try but no cigar.

Your quote:

'Historical scholars have examined documents from Jesus's time and have concluded that he existed and is a true historical figure.'


Please supply documents to support your claim.

I await with eager anticipation..........

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OP rejects all facts about Jesus's existence without providing a shred of evidence to the contrary. Yet he claims that no evidence exists of Jesus until 60 years after his death and you take him at his word. Critical thinking at its finest, or should I say worst, by the people on this thread.

Historical scholars have examined documents from Jesus's time and have concluded that he existed and is a true historical figure.

So who do you want to believe, historical scholars or some anonymous coward on GLP who may be working for the government?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15708467


Please provide peer-reviewed documents to support your argument.

Will said 'documents' be provided before Hell freezes over?

cruise
 Quoting: IntoTheLight


Right after you provide documents to show that all of the facts presented on this thread supporting Jesus's existing are fake.
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Nice try but no cigar.

Your quote:

'Historical scholars have examined documents from Jesus's time and have concluded that he existed and is a true historical figure.'


Please supply documents to support your claim.

I await with eager anticipation..........

cruise
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Excerpts from those documents have already been presented in this thread. OP's supporters quickly discounted them without a shred of evidence to the contrary.

How about you and your supporters provide evidence that Jesus never existed? Redacted or altered historical documents will do.
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Please provide peer-reviewed documents to support your argument.

Will said 'documents' be provided before Hell freezes over?

cruise
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Right after you provide documents to show that all of the facts presented on this thread supporting Jesus's existing are fake.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15708467



Nice try but no cigar.

Your quote:

'Historical scholars have examined documents from Jesus's time and have concluded that he existed and is a true historical figure.'


Please supply documents to support your claim.

I await with eager anticipation..........

cruise
 Quoting: IntoTheLight


Excerpts from those documents have already been presented in this thread. OP's supporters quickly discounted them without a shred of evidence to the contrary.

How about you and your supporters provide evidence that Jesus never existed? Redacted or altered historical documents will do.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15708467




Please provide links, and commentary, to said documents to verify your claims.

Hurry! The rapture is nearly here!!


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Right after you provide documents to show that all of the facts presented on this thread supporting Jesus's existing are fake.
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Nice try but no cigar.

Your quote:

'Historical scholars have examined documents from Jesus's time and have concluded that he existed and is a true historical figure.'


Please supply documents to support your claim.

I await with eager anticipation..........

cruise
 Quoting: IntoTheLight


Excerpts from those documents have already been presented in this thread. OP's supporters quickly discounted them without a shred of evidence to the contrary.

How about you and your supporters provide evidence that Jesus never existed? Redacted or altered historical documents will do.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15708467




Please provide links, and commentary, to said documents to verify your claims.

Hurry! The rapture is nearly here!!


weirdo
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Doing what you're doing will certainly keep the thread going. Maybe that is your intention; however, it does little to prove your assertion that Jesus didn't exist.
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Nice try but no cigar.

Your quote:

'Historical scholars have examined documents from Jesus's time and have concluded that he existed and is a true historical figure.'


Please supply documents to support your claim.

I await with eager anticipation..........

cruise
 Quoting: IntoTheLight


Excerpts from those documents have already been presented in this thread. OP's supporters quickly discounted them without a shred of evidence to the contrary.

How about you and your supporters provide evidence that Jesus never existed? Redacted or altered historical documents will do.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15708467




Please provide links, and commentary, to said documents to verify your claims.

Hurry! The rapture is nearly here!!


weirdo
 Quoting: IntoTheLight


Doing what you're doing will certainly keep the thread going. Maybe that is your intention; however, it does little to prove your assertion that Jesus didn't exist.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15708467


Please provide links, and commentary, to said documents to verify your claims.

If you have no proof,this is OK. Embrace the real and frightening truth,there is no proof of Jebus.

Hurry! The rapture is nearly here!!

weirdo

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Excerpts from those documents have already been presented in this thread. OP's supporters quickly discounted them without a shred of evidence to the contrary.

How about you and your supporters provide evidence that Jesus never existed? Redacted or altered historical documents will do.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15708467




Please provide links, and commentary, to said documents to verify your claims.

Hurry! The rapture is nearly here!!


weirdo
 Quoting: IntoTheLight


Doing what you're doing will certainly keep the thread going. Maybe that is your intention; however, it does little to prove your assertion that Jesus didn't exist.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15708467


Please provide links, and commentary, to said documents to verify your claims.

If you have no proof,this is OK. Embrace the real and frightening truth,there is no proof of Jebus.

Hurry! The rapture is nearly here!!

weirdo
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The proof of Jesus's existence has been shown all throughout this thread. It is those who support the OP's claim who have shown no proof.

Like I said, what you are doing may keep the thread going but it does nothing to support your assertion.
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Please provide links, and commentary, to said documents to verify your claims.

Hurry! The rapture is nearly here!!


weirdo
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Doing what you're doing will certainly keep the thread going. Maybe that is your intention; however, it does little to prove your assertion that Jesus didn't exist.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15708467


Please provide links, and commentary, to said documents to verify your claims.

If you have no proof,this is OK. Embrace the real and frightening truth,there is no proof of Jebus.

Hurry! The rapture is nearly here!!

weirdo
 Quoting: IntoTheLight


The proof of Jesus's existence has been shown all throughout this thread. It is those who support the OP's claim who have shown no proof.

Like I said, what you are doing may keep the thread going but it does nothing to support your assertion.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15708467


Please provide links, and commentary, to said documents to verify your claims.

If you have no proof,this is OK. Embrace the real and frightening truth,there is no proof of Jebus.

Hurry! The rapture is imminent!!

cruise
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Doing what you're doing will certainly keep the thread going. Maybe that is your intention; however, it does little to prove your assertion that Jesus didn't exist.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15708467


Please provide links, and commentary, to said documents to verify your claims.

If you have no proof,this is OK. Embrace the real and frightening truth,there is no proof of Jebus.

Hurry! The rapture is nearly here!!

weirdo
 Quoting: IntoTheLight


The proof of Jesus's existence has been shown all throughout this thread. It is those who support the OP's claim who have shown no proof.

Like I said, what you are doing may keep the thread going but it does nothing to support your assertion.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15708467


Please provide links, and commentary, to said documents to verify your claims.

If you have no proof,this is OK. Embrace the real and frightening truth,there is no proof of Jebus.

Hurry! The rapture is imminent!!

cruise
 Quoting: IntoTheLight


Thank you. You have just proven my assertion that your only intention is to keep this thread going. No need to keep posting here people.

THIS IS A TROLL THREAD!!!
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Of course you have proof of this OP? Please prove below.
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My proof will be the fact that no one will be able to provide proof that I'm wrong in this thread. They'll post the same few accounts that have been discredited for hundreds of years.
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NOTHING can be proven. There are only probabilities. Use this thread to PROVE something...anything. I challenge you to PROVE anything...your choice, you pick.

Science has tried to PROVE things for years...they can't. We can only show probabilities. Why, you cannot even prove the sun rose and set the day you were born, can you? NOPE.

EVEN DNA evidence used in court can be used as 100% proof...EVEN DNA.

Theories are not proof. Either you are an agitator, God-hater or you are ignorant about science and proofs. Which is it?

bump
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Please provide links, and commentary, to said documents to verify your claims.

If you have no proof,this is OK. Embrace the real and frightening truth,there is no proof of Jebus.

Hurry! The rapture is nearly here!!

weirdo
 Quoting: IntoTheLight


The proof of Jesus's existence has been shown all throughout this thread. It is those who support the OP's claim who have shown no proof.

Like I said, what you are doing may keep the thread going but it does nothing to support your assertion.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15708467


Please provide links, and commentary, to said documents to verify your claims.

If you have no proof,this is OK. Embrace the real and frightening truth,there is no proof of Jebus.

Hurry! The rapture is imminent!!

cruise
 Quoting: IntoTheLight


Thank you. You have just proven my assertion that your only intention is to keep this thread going. No need to keep posting here people.

THIS IS A TROLL THREAD!!!
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Thank you for proving yourself a liar in the name of GAWD.

You claimed evidence of Jebus existence that had been verified by various scholars,yet you refuse to supply said documents.

I suppose,as the Church is based upon a lie,you are comfortable lying for your GAWD.


Job 13:5
'If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.'


You should have stayed silent, my lying fool.


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Not a word was written about a Jesus Christ until at least 60 years after he supposedly died.
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Here Try This. [link to jamesossuarytrial.blogspot.com]

Note the patina is intact in ALL the inscribed words. There is no faking that patina.


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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"On June 18, 2003 the Israeli Antiquities Authority (IAA) published a report concluding that the inscription is a modern forgery based on their analysis of the patina"
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I guess you did not read that link OP. There is no final verdict on it being a forgery. In fact the ossuary was fucked up by a forensic silicon test that wasn't authorized. How convenient. Of course this can't be proven now that its been damaged. For it to have been proven would open the old wound of the Jews having killed the messiah they were waiting for. So it gets screwed up on purpose and relegated to a curiosity. The silicon test was deliberate and the destruction assured, but the geologist who examined the object before it was confiscated attested to the ancient patina being there in the inscription. Mishandled evidence pure and simple. And what do you think the Israeli antiquities authority is going to do.....hmmmmm??? Give it their backing as genuine and thus affirm Christianity. Get real.

Same nonsense with the Turin shroud. The carbon dating was flawed as they tested a piece of the cloth that was a medieval patch. you would think these "experts" would have seen such a mistake in the making.

I find it interesting you didn't comment on what I wrote after the link I gave you. Most people don't.

It would be like someone trying to prove you existed in the year 4014. What's left behind of your existence 2000 years after you croak. Yeah maybe some corrupted computer files a moldy picture of you and your dog found in a plastic baggie at some ancient landfill. The difference between the 1st century and now is the amount of media available and its low cost. Not the same back in 33 Ad.

For another fun fact lets look at all the lives of saints, mystics and aspirants who through the ages set their hearts and minds on an "imaginary" being in the sky who through there perseverance and faith attained transcendental experiences that confirmed for them the existence of treasures in heaven or in other words, states of consciousness that are ineffable. Go read about them and then tell me they were all delusional and schizophrenic. And then tell me you would not want to experience the same. Many attained these states through their faith and trust in Jesus,not a bad deal for believing in a make believe buddy in the sky. Don't mistake Grace for drug induced hallucination.

The best the scoffers have is one of these lmao

It covers the fear of being held accountable.

Yeah I know, you need to have tangible evidence. that's your limitation. You are going to have to dive deep into yourself to find it. The truth of God is found in ones inner life not in outer worldly things. It is not going to be handed to you on a silver platter all nice and tidy or on a computer screen with Thus Spake Zarathustra playing on the Bose speakers.
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Not a word was written about a Jesus Christ until at least 60 years after he supposedly died.
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Here Try This. [link to jamesossuarytrial.blogspot.com]

Note the patina is intact in ALL the inscribed words. There is no faking that patina.


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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"On June 18, 2003 the Israeli Antiquities Authority (IAA) published a report concluding that the inscription is a modern forgery based on their analysis of the patina"
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I guess you did not read that link OP. There is no final verdict on it being a forgery. In fact the ossuary was fucked up by a forensic silicon test that wasn't authorized. How convenient. Of course this can't be proven now that its been damaged. For it to have been proven would open the old wound of the Jews having killed the messiah they were waiting for. So it gets screwed up on purpose and relegated to a curiosity. The silicon test was deliberate and the destruction assured, but the geologist who examined the object before it was confiscated attested to the ancient patina being there in the inscription. Mishandled evidence pure and simple. And what do you think the Israeli antiquities authority is going to do.....hmmmmm??? Give it their backing as genuine and thus affirm Christianity. Get real.

Same nonsense with the Turin shroud. The carbon dating was flawed as they tested a piece of the cloth that was a medieval patch. you would think these "experts" would have seen such a mistake in the making.

I find it interesting you didn't comment on what I wrote after the link I gave you. Most people don't.

It would be like someone trying to prove you existed in the year 4014. What's left behind of your existence 2000 years after you croak. Yeah maybe some corrupted computer files a moldy picture of you and your dog found in a plastic baggie at some ancient landfill. The difference between the 1st century and now is the amount of media available and its low cost. Not the same back in 33 Ad.

For another fun fact lets look at all the lives of saints, mystics and aspirants who through the ages set their hearts and minds on an "imaginary" being in the sky who through there perseverance and faith attained transcendental experiences that confirmed for them the existence of treasures in heaven or in other words, states of consciousness that are ineffable. Go read about them and then tell me they were all delusional and schizophrenic. And then tell me you would not want to experience the same. Many attained these states through their faith and trust in Jesus,not a bad deal for believing in a make believe buddy in the sky. Don't mistake Grace for drug induced hallucination.

The best the scoffers have is one of these lmao

It covers the fear of being held accountable.

Yeah I know, you need to have tangible evidence. that's your limitation. You are going to have to dive deep into yourself to find it. The truth of God is found in ones inner life not in outer worldly things. It is not going to be handed to you on a silver platter all nice and tidy or on a computer screen with Thus Spake Zarathustra playing on the Bose speakers.
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If you have read Nietzsche, you will be aware that fresh from announcing 'God is dead,' he then proposed that mankind set up a 'pretend' religion and act as if it were real.

The plot of 'Thus Spoke Zarathustra' is essentially the emergence of a necessary self-deception.

This is the story of Christianity. A deception that fooled mankind for a while but now is no longer needed.

R.I.P.Religion.

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If you have read Nietzsche, you will be aware that fresh from announcing 'God is dead,' he then proposed that mankind set up a 'pretend' religion and act as if it were real.

The plot of 'Thus Spoke Zarathustra' is essentially the emergence of a necessary self-deception.

This is the story of Christianity. A deception that fooled mankind for a while but now is no longer needed.

R.I.P.Religion.

pope


Ahhhhh the religion of Nietzsche. the guy who helped spawn Nazism.

I don't care who you worship, just as long as it is someone or something bigger and better than yourself.

What doesn't kill ya........wounds ya. sez I.
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If you have read Nietzsche, you will be aware that fresh from announcing 'God is dead,' he then proposed that mankind set up a 'pretend' religion and act as if it were real.

The plot of 'Thus Spoke Zarathustra' is essentially the emergence of a necessary self-deception.

This is the story of Christianity. A deception that fooled mankind for a while but now is no longer needed.

R.I.P.Religion.

pope
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Ahhhhh the religion of Nietzsche. the guy who helped spawn Nazism.

I don't care who you worship, just as long as it is someone or something bigger and better than yourself.

What doesn't kill ya........wounds ya. sez I.







'Ad-Hominem' again?

Oh dear! Bible-Tards really are dumb; especially the cowardly ones who don't have the courage to 'log on' and protect their cults bizarre beliefs,wouldn't you agree?

Don't worry,apparently the rapture will be here soon to save me.

Yay!

weirdo

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If you have read Nietzsche, you will be aware that fresh from announcing 'God is dead,' he then proposed that mankind set up a 'pretend' religion and act as if it were real.

The plot of 'Thus Spoke Zarathustra' is essentially the emergence of a necessary self-deception.

This is the story of Christianity. A deception that fooled mankind for a while but now is no longer needed.

R.I.P.Religion.

pope
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Ahhhhh the religion of Nietzsche. the guy who helped spawn Nazism.

I don't care who you worship, just as long as it is someone or something bigger and better than yourself.

What doesn't kill ya........wounds ya. sez I.

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'Ad-Hominem' again?

Oh dear! Bible-Tards really are dumb; especially the cowardly ones who don't have the courage to 'log on' and protect their cults bizarre beliefs,wouldn't you agree?

Don't worry,apparently the rapture will be here soon to save me.

Yay!

weirdo


Hey magic bunny. Check your past posts for ad-hominems. Got that hypocrite? Why couldn't you respond to points I made in my posts? You were incapable. Your presumption that I'm a bibletard is so far off base you have no idea. And as far as you insinuating that I'm a coward for not having some made up name and cheesy avatar.............my ego doesn't need one.

Now get back in your hutch and screw your sister. It's what Nietzsche would require.


“He whom the flame of jealousy encompasses, will at last, like the scorpion, turn the poisoned sting against himself.”
― Friedrich Nietzsche, Thus Spake Zarathustra

Good Night.
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If you have read Nietzsche, you will be aware that fresh from announcing 'God is dead,' he then proposed that mankind set up a 'pretend' religion and act as if it were real.

The plot of 'Thus Spoke Zarathustra' is essentially the emergence of a necessary self-deception.

This is the story of Christianity. A deception that fooled mankind for a while but now is no longer needed.

R.I.P.Religion.

pope
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Ahhhhh the religion of Nietzsche. the guy who helped spawn Nazism.

I don't care who you worship, just as long as it is someone or something bigger and better than yourself.

What doesn't kill ya........wounds ya. sez I.

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'Ad-Hominem' again?

Oh dear! Bible-Tards really are dumb; especially the cowardly ones who don't have the courage to 'log on' and protect their cults bizarre beliefs,wouldn't you agree?

Don't worry,apparently the rapture will be here soon to save me.

Yay!

weirdo
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Hey magic bunny. Check your past posts for ad-hominems. Got that hypocrite? Why couldn't you respond to points I made in my posts? You were incapable. Your presumption that I'm a bibletard is so far off base you have no idea. And as far as you insinuating that I'm a coward for not having some made up name and cheesy avatar.............my ego doesn't need one.
Now get back in your hutch and screw your sister. It's what Nietzsche would require.
“He whom the flame of jealousy encompasses, will at last, like the scorpion, turn the poisoned sting against himself.”
― Friedrich Nietzsche, Thus Spake Zarathustra

Good Night.








Your interpretation of my post reveals your true self.

Project much?

Maybe you see yourself as a coward?

Correction: An angry coward with low self-esteem and poor anger management?


Psalm 4:4
'In your anger do not sin; when you are on your beds, search your hearts and be silent.'


Be silent child,be silent....And may GAWD bless ya.'

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Another angle to the great question is; where is the written evidence of the first generation of followers recanting their belief under the torture that they endured?

Can anyone think of an example where a group of men, engaged in some type of secretive mischief, maintained their lies under torture to a gruesome death? I am a bit of a history buff, but cannot think of such an occurrence. yet this is precisely what non believers believe to have happened. It des not fit human characteristics.

There is another angle to this, perhaps all the witnesses actually believed what they were saying, because they were hallucinating. While it is entirely possible for an individual to have wild hallucinations, it is not possible for groups of people to have the same hallucination. Perhaps before the Sermon on the Mount the disciples put some LSD in the water so that the Master could more easily have the crowd experience the same hallucination that he facilitated by some sheet waving. I suppose that could be a consideration for some. However, what about the appearance of Jesus to the disciples after his crucifixion? Who drugged whom?

Personally, I find it difficult to believe that people would suddenly pick up some 100 year old stories and hold them as truth unto death without some credible testimonials--from witnesses. The lack of written evidence from the actual time of Jesus' life is meaningless. Judea was entering a period of rebellion, strife and total destruction in the decades following the crucifixion. Add to this that the followers of Christ were hunted by all authorities in the area. Not quite an optimal environment for amassing a library. Of course, all the supermen around today would have no problem in managing secrecy and documentation--after all, those Romans and Pharisees weren't that smart and or brutal.
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Another angle to the great question is; where is the written evidence of the first generation of followers recanting their belief under the torture that they endured?

Can anyone think of an example where a group of men, engaged in some type of secretive mischief, maintained their lies under torture to a gruesome death? I am a bit of a history buff, but cannot think of such an occurrence. yet this is precisely what non believers believe to have happened. It des not fit human characteristics.

There is another angle to this, perhaps all the witnesses actually believed what they were saying, because they were hallucinating. While it is entirely possible for an individual to have wild hallucinations, it is not possible for groups of people to have the same hallucination. Perhaps before the Sermon on the Mount the disciples put some LSD in the water so that the Master could more easily have the crowd experience the same hallucination that he facilitated by some sheet waving. I suppose that could be a consideration for some. However, what about the appearance of Jesus to the disciples after his crucifixion? Who drugged whom?

Personally, I find it difficult to believe that people would suddenly pick up some 100 year old stories and hold them as truth unto death without some credible testimonials--from witnesses. The lack of written evidence from the actual time of Jesus' life is meaningless. Judea was entering a period of rebellion, strife and total destruction in the decades following the crucifixion. Add to this that the followers of Christ were hunted by all authorities in the area. Not quite an optimal environment for amassing a library. Of course, all the supermen around today would have no problem in managing secrecy and documentation--after all, those Romans and Pharisees weren't that smart and or brutal.
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I would suspect many brave allied spies did maintain their 'cover' and remained silent and died for their cause/ belief.

As for your second point,it is is called a shared psychosis (Folie à deux).
It's fairly common amongst people who share the same delusional belief, and funnily enough, it tends to occur more frequently in the less intelligent and/or religious groups.
Please consult the DSM-IV for more details.

As for your final point,you are correct,there is no proof of Jesus existence.

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Thank you for corroborating my point; men will die for what they believe in. Spies did not die for their cover, they died for their cause.

I will check out the information you mentioned. Perhaps something has change recently I am not aware of. However, it is definitely an uphill battle to support the idea of mass similar and simultaneous hallucinations.

For most on this planet no amount of books, regardless of the copy write date, would make them believe in Jesus Christ--that is how things are. None the less, belief will continue. The real situation is that many people know that there is a spiritual existence--without any hallucinations. Such experiences are almost impossible to prove, but are quite real.





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