There's Not One Single Credible Contemporary Historical Account of Jesus Christ

What more can you ask for, I have given you evidence of geology and archaeological evidence, several videos from bible scholars that have made this their life work. I have explained to you the importance of faith and why there can be no irrefutable evidence. I have given you 70 Ancient books independent of bible that have been found in a cave from 2000 years ago. I have explained to you about the manuscripts like dead sea scrolls and how the bible has a solid backing in credibility when it comes to it's testimony. I have told you the foundation of my faith.

The God I serve, that invites you to seek him, is truly a powerful and magnificent God. The only true God. Without him you have nothing. I wouldn't doubt for a second his power and glory and capability. I feel very secure and my faith is well established.

I am merely responding to you in order that you may have a chance to seek him yourself based on my testimony.

This guy is right on. Nobody can provide you proof or convince you. You have to convince yourself. That is the point.

I can only advise you to shake off the centuries of dogma, ignore the preachers and know-it-alls, ignore the atheists and smug detractors. Start with a clean slate. Just read it and then ponder it without making a decision until you have absorbed the complete work and then try to incorporate it into your frame of reference and then decide FOR YOURSELF what it means.

AC 472...there's been posts on here that (have given any truthseeker) more than enough evidence to pursue, that, if they do, will be blown away.

For your tactics - you take a piece to a post or brief post, and then jump on it and say (your nonsense) - rather than, taking the many posts here in sum - and neither answering them.

You're unable (and all of humanity is unable) to explain how (any one man) could have fulfilled so many dozens of specific prophecies. These prophecies have been confirmed to have been written centuries before Jesus Christ - your Creator AC and mine.

You don't have an answer for the fact that there's little written and surviving (writings from the fist century or two) FROM ANY IMPORTANT FIGURE, INCLUDING THE KING OF GLORY. YET YOU'RE TOO LAZY TO GO AND SEE IF I'M CORRECT...NAMELY THAT THERE'S ONLY A HANDFUL OF THESE EARLY WRITINGS - WHETHER ABOUT T. CAESAR OR JESUS CHRIST OF NAZARETH. (I'VE CHOSEN NOT TO LIST THESE SMALL NUMBERS, AGAIN OF ABOUT A DOZEN OF EACH, SINCE I'M WEARY OF LAZY PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT TRUTHSEEKERS.)

Further, apparently you're not aware that there are approximately (estimates from 19,000 to 22,000) copies or (fragments) of copies of the early NT, written/copied in Greek - many of which are first and second century. Also, these copies are in (STUNNING) agreement with each other! Yes, thousands of ancient copies/fragments...in agreement with each other!

Do you know what that means? Of course you don't!

Given that thousands of people, then hundreds of thousands, in the mid to later first century, from many different parts of the Roman Empire, continued to give their lives through horrific persecution and not say, "hey these copies of these books written by the Jesus followers are not true; they're fake" is overwhelming evidence! Why? because these copies came from many different parts of the empire...and the world has thousands of fragments/copies of different copied manuscripts. They held their faith tightly; many witnessed the miracles directly and were therefore unwilling to deny the Truth.

Praise God

I don't need to prove anything to you, the fact that you ask such a question proves that you have enough information to seek the proof out on your own.

if you don't, that will be you lose.

Jesus existed, and was crucified for inciting insurrection. They made all the happy horseshit up.

"The Birth of Christianity" by Charmichael is excellent for understanding how messiah fever and the kingdom of god crap were rampant and how the environment fostered a made up messiah...

It is still sad to me when I see so many who have not been given eyes to see or ears to hear. If not for the grace of God I would not have them either. This is the year 2013 AD. Two thousand and thirteen years from what and what does AD stand for?

News did not travel at the speed it does today

Christ's resurrection would not have been on reddit the next morning

Tell you what, OP. Since nobody can quench your thirst for what you seek, then consider yourself correct. Congratulations...you're better and/or smarter than everyone else.

However, since none of us can be 100% sure of what was recorded or not and whether it survived or not, let's wait until we cross to the other side of this life. Each and every one of us will find out the absolute and certain answer at that point. If you are convinced that you are smart enough to know what survived antiquity to be enough to convince you, then ride that bet all the way to eternity.

No. There is one "credible" account of Jesus written contemporaniously with his existence; and, that account is duly recorded in the TULMUD. Jewish Rabbis considered Jesus to be the greatest threat of his time (still do).

The oldest versions of those 4 books date to about 300 AD

Oddly enough, there is quite a bit of writing by jews of messiah claimants
Menahem ben Judah (?), the son or grandson of Judas of Galilee, was a leader of the Sicarii. When the war broke, he armed his followers with the weapons captured at Masada and besieged Antonia Fortress in Jerusalem, overpowering the troops of Agrippa II in Judea and forcing the Roman garrison to retreat. Emboldened by his success, he behaved as an "insufferable tyrant",[10] thereby arousing the enmity of Eleazar, the Temple Captain and de facto a rival Zealot rebel leader, who had him tortured and killed.[11] He may be identical with the Menahem ben Hezekiah mentioned in the Talmud (tractate Sanhedrin 98b) and called "the comforter that should relieve".
AND
Simon of Peraea (c. 4 BCE), a former slave of Herod the Great, who rebelled and was killed by the Romans.
AND
Simon bar Kokhba (also: Bar Kosiba) (?- died c. 135), with the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem the appearance of messiahs ceased for a time. Sixty years later a politico-Messianic movement of large proportions took place. The leader of the revolt Simon bar Kokhba against Rome was hailed as Messiah-king by Rabbi Akiva, who referred to him, Numbers xxiv. 17: "There shall come forth a star out of Jacob, and a sceptre shall rise out of Israel, and shall smite through the corners of Moab,", and Hag. ii. 21, 22; "I will shake the heavens and the earth and I will overthrow the thrones of kingdoms. . . ." (Talmud tractate Sanhedrin97b). Although some doubted his messiahship, he seems to have carried the nation with him for his undertaking. After stirring up a war (133-135) that taxed the power of Rome, he at last met his death on the walls of Bethar. He founded a short-lived Jewish state before his Messianic movement ended in defeat in the Second Jewish-Roman War causing misery for the survivors.

How about a link to that account? Along with the translation would be nice. What I'm going to do is research the origin of the Talmund then verify the authenticity of that account.

I researched the thread topic a bit, and there are several contemporaneous mentions of Jesus, but they have nothing to do with him being a teacher or miracle worker or anything special like that, a trouble maker (instigator) is the most radical thing said about him.

cant fix stupid

The only fact is that Christianity is a religion of FAITH. There is no denying that. You fail to grasp the most fundamental aspect of the religion by insisting that there is some sort of "proof". FAITH and PROOF DO NOT GO TOGETHER. Jeez, how dense can you be to be an adherent of a faith-based religion and not understand faith. lol

You know what? There are thousands of people who have blown their own asses off for Islam and Quran. That is not "proof" that the Quran is true. It is not "proof" of ANYTHING other than that they are willing to blow their own asses off. Yet somehow people dying for Jesus is "proof" of Jesus. Uh...no, it is not.

The good thing is that most people understand what FAITH-BASED means and will not pay much attention to your "proof" claptrap.

Hard to believe that the guys who crucified him and tried to suppress him didn't write a glowing obituary and put it on the front-page of the Jerusalem newspaper for you to find 2,000 years later. Keep looking. I just hope it didn't burn up in the library fire at Alexandria.

That's a really fucking stupid thing to say, considering if someone was walking around doing miracles, feeding FIVE THOUSAND FUCKING PEOPLE and SHIT, someone would fucking write about it, eh???

You fucking religitards are simply fucking evil "for Jesus".

Yes indeed, where was CNN? Why do we not have video-tape? Why didn't all the bronze-age independent journalists write that shit down man. You would think some goat-shit covered reporter would have done an investigative piece to determine why the government executed the Messiah.

If you can't count on bronze-age journalism grads to buck their religious authorities and the Romans and cover a story in depth and have it survive 2000 years of invasions, exiles, and religious wars then what can you count on in this world.

We didn't even realize that Troy really actually existed until recently. A major freaking city...and we didn't know it was real.

Yet somehow not having a newspaper article about a miracle worker from Galilee that the authorities wanted to suppress knowledge of survive 2000 years in the most volatile region on earth is somehow proof that we know for absolute damn sure that he didn't exist.

Humans are freaking brilliant.

They did write about it,, Matthew Mark Luke and John.

not true. there is a creed that dates to within a couple of years and some original manuscripts that date to 50AD…

Lee Strobel - The Case for the Resurrection
[link to www.youtube.com]
The Bible Is True! ~ The New Evidence That Demands A Verdict
[link to www.youtube.com]
Walter Veith (13) Battle of the Bibles /Total Onslaught
[link to www.youtube.com]
youtube: The Resurrection Argument That Changed a Generation of Scholars - Gary Habermas at UCSB [link to youtu.be]

Jesus Christ Is Real! ~ Non-biblical Evidence Of His Existence

[link to www.youtube.com]


many atheists who have sincerely looked have been finding faith in Christ…


OP, you maybe hating on peeps who are not truly Christ-centered.

Head of Human Genome Project, Dr. Francis Collins, converts to Christianity

"I set out to prove my that my atheist position was correct." 

[link to youtu.be]

To trash bible as not historical is foolish and you know it, even if some parts are allegorical

He is a fairy tale. And, if he does exist, he has some explaining to do. You know, all the standards questions: why did your "father" who art in heaven find it necessary to murder thousands of non-believers in OT time? Why are you so fucking mysterious and elusive yet you claimed to be with us always but suffering is at an all-time high? Why leave for 2000 years and let this shit-hole of a planet continue it's decline with ever increasing disease, poverty, pain, suffering while you dance around in heaven doing absolutely fucking nothing but watch this horror unfold?

And, biggest of all questions to the non-existent Jesus: why the fuck do you demand worship or even simply belief under threat of eternal torment? Why do you inflict torment on those who, for valid reasons, don't buy into your self-aggrandizing personality? You sound like the subject of one of those psychological thriller movies -- you know, the one where there's a nutjob in the neighborhood who looks normal, seems loving, but when you explore a bit more find he's just plain batty?

If your god Jesus exists, he is one psychopathic fuck and to think anyone would VOLUNTARILY worship him is equally insane. Narcissistic personality disorder seems like an appropriate diagnosis for that insane dipshit.

May Jesus be royally fucked if he does indeed exist.

You would prefer a universal intelligence that solved all of your problems and wiped your butt for you and tucked you in at night, removing all dangers and troubles. And if you don't get that, then you curse that universal intelligence as unworthy of you. Poor baby.

All of these problems could be solved just by eliminating you from existence or making you into an automaton with no free will of its own....and keeping the automaton properly diapered of course.

I'm certain that YOU have never caused anyone distress or problems or added to their burdens or made this "shit-hole" worse through your actions. I'm sure you recycle and give all your money to sick people and are perfect. And if you ever did anything like that it would be the fault of that rotten God who allowed it to happen and not you or your elected representatives at fault.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Even if someone showed you there was, you would not believe it. It is in a Format you can not receive or make sense of.

You see there are 2 systems at work in this world.
Faith and Logic. God chose Faith as the system He uses to reveal himself.
You chose to try to find him using Logic and her ugly sister, Science.
Just like trying to play a DVD in a CD player and expecting to see a movie, so are your chances of finding God.

As long as you use the wrong Format, you will never get the results that you say you seek.

Faith does not require the type of so called "proof" Logic does. The two of them exist in different worlds.
So until you start using Faith to find your "proof", you will never find it.

No because the Jews and Babylonians made sure of that until Jesus apostles wrote the Bible from his teachings, the ultimate historical account, a mish mash of one, but certainly not none.

There is also no historical account of Satan either, but enough people in this world work in his name on no more than heresy.
I will rather work in light that dark, that needs no historical words of conviction.

I believe you because you are 2000 years old.

It's because you're lazy and (like much of humanity) don't want to (do the research on this)...because you want not what you'd find; you want to "live YOUR life".

News here for you: It's not YOUR life. YOU were created, and it's only your pride that keeps you away. YOU WILL "DIE IN YOUR SINS", (as stated by the Redeemer) UNLESS YOU TURN BACK.

Make the right choice. There's only so many times in one's life, where (if the Spirit of God prompts you), to react rightly.

Praise God