Did Mrs. Manfredonia call 911 from behind the Sandy Hook School dumpster?

Possible, but again, her son was also in the school. So I'd think it unlikely that she'd just say, repeatedly, "My daughter's in there!"

Seems like multiple people didn't get through; Barocsi dials state police multiple times before finally getting through. Also interesting is the number of wrong numbers being connected to the 911 call center--dispatchers are fielding calls for clerks, automobile licensing (or something--doing this from memory), non-emergency police calls, etc. A lot of non-911 calls are being sent to emergency.

Can someone summarize the argument for and against Mrs. Manfredonia being behind the dumpster and making that 911 call.

Thanks!

FYI...somebody should be able to CALL HER UP and record her voice. Can't be that hard to do.

Article from the Terifay grandfather's point of view:

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Kelly Terifay is the girl the Superbowl crowd thinks is Josephine Gay.

The woman in the 911 call is yelling, "My daughter's in ther!" Neither of the women behind the dumpster had a daughter in the school; Manfredonia did.

Manfredonia was one of the few moms (we know of) there very early--early enough to see the girl carried out of the school.

The women behind the dumpster arrived at the school within 38 seconds of Mr. Manfredonia; since we know Mrs. M was there very early, it's at least as likely one of these women was Mrs. M, as it is that she was "Holden" or "Sibley."

Sorry--neither of the women said to be behind the dumpster.

And a final note - there seems to be a young child's voice in the background of the 911 call. Mrs. M said she had her daughter's younger brother with her in the parking lot.

I wonder who's class Henry Terifay was in?

(BTW, that picture of the two kids looks totally staged to me)

The arguments against Mrs. M would be:

1. Both Sibley and Holden stated publicly they were the moms behind the dumpster

2. The redacted names in the report regarding the dumpster moms match Barbara Sibley and Karyn Holden in length

3. Sibley's public interviews match to some extent the timing and narrative in the report about when the dumpster moms arrived and what they did

4. Though many here claimed vigorously that "no 911 call could have been made from the dumpster!" there is a 911 call from the dumpster in the report, and in the audio files of the 911 calls. Note: The 911 call audio doesn't match either Sibley or Holden, since they don't have a daughter in the school

My take: I think Sibley was behind the dumpster with Mrs. Manfredonia.

I think Sibley and Holden's public statements, and sudden, multiple public activities together as a duo were done purposely to drive home the point that they were the "dumpster moms."

There could be a different mom altogether calling from the dumpster, two, but we already have too many people in that parking lot before 9:40 a.m. who don't mention seeing each other.

I'd go with "maybe Sibley wasn't even there" except for the fact that a concerted group of people seems committed to insisting she wasn't there. From a theorist point of view, this is weird--very similar to the overdone effort to claim "Chris Manfredonia wasn't on Crestwood!" It's a little over the top.

Could be Sibley and Holden are both just covers for Mrs. M, though, and they came up with two individuals in hopes of confusing the issue further.

Thanks!

We have Sibleys voice recorded and all over the place on the web. Do we have Holden's? Presumably, you all have ruled out S due to the 911 call voice, right?

All we need do is get a snippet of Holden's voice, and compare it to the 911 call.

Hoax over.

America saved.

Holden's would be useful as an attempt to finally rule it out, I suppose, but she had a son in the school, not a daughter. Mrs. M's would be useful.

The voice is low and husky and has a very strong east coast, blue collar-ish accent. She sneezed at one point, so may have had a cold and a lower voice than usual that day; also, panic can make your voice hoarse.

Considering that the real killer(s) are possibly running around free, you might not be too far off the mark.

Also useful would be to float this story to some other forums--watch the usual suspects materialize and note any patterns to their vigorous denial.

Well, a "Manfredonia" certainly fits that description better than a "Holden." But, that would be her married name, right? Anyone know Mrs. Manfredonia's maiden name?

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Hm. She taught K at St. Rose.

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Are we sure it was "son of a K teacher" and not "nephew?"

I want to say Sabino but have to ck.

Hey - wasn't Lanza allegedly at St. Rose 2005?

"K teacher
Diocese of Bridgeport

June 2003 – June 2005 (2 years 1 month) Newtown, CT "

Yikes. She quit St. Rose two months after Lanza transferred to St. Rose.

That's if, in fact, "Diocese of Bridgeport, Newtown, CT" refers to St. Rose school. As far as I know, St. Rose is the only Catholic school in NT.

"April 2005: Nancy Lanza moves Adam to a new school, St. Rose of Lima, but he only attends for 8 weeks."

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Kind of interesting. Both a Kindergarten teacher (Mrs. Manfredonia) and Adam Lanza allegedly leave St. Rose school in June of 2005.

And Mrs. M and husband are both on scene at the school earlier than almost any other non-staff member? And Mr. M is the first guy arrested? And his wife taught in Adam's school the year Adam started having trouble?

Not hard evidence of anything, but not uninteresting, either.

So just to sum it up:

1. Mrs. Manfredonia worked at St. Rose as a kindergarten teacher when Adam Lanza transferred to St. Rose in April 2005.

2. Both Manfredonia and Lanza left St. Rose in June of 2005.

3. Manfredonia volunteered at Sandy Hook school and had a daughter in the school during the 12/14 shootings.


4. Mrs. Manfredonia's husband was the first individual detained at Sandy Hook School on 12/14; his apprehension and processing took up time which some say Newtown officers could/should have been using to stop the shooting inside the school.

5. Mrs. Manfredonia said that on 12/14 she too, was in the school parking lot very early, and had her younger son with her. Her daughter was inside the school. A young child's voice is audible in the dumpster 911 call, and the caller yells that her daughter is in the school.

6. The two women, Sibley and Holden, said to have called 911 from behind the dumpsters allegedly arrived within 38 seconds of Mr. Manfredonia, but neither had a daughter in the school. It seems possible one of these women is actually Mrs. Manfredonia.


Aside from all that, isn't it kind of freaky that Mrs. M and Adam Lanza were both at St. Rose in 2005, both left St. Rose at the same time, and then both reappear at SHS seven years later?

I realize it could all just be due to the small size of the town. But I think the question should at least be posed as to what, if anything, transpired at St. Rose from April 2005 to June 2005.

And I still think Adam was a patsy, and that those who knew of him (which doesn't seem to be a large number of people) would be most likely to pick him as a patsy.

Now try someone who not only knew him, but taught in the same school he attended, volunteered at the school he allegedly attacked, and lives a few hundred feet from his house.

And whose involvement that day--both husband and wife--seems one of the most sensitive issues of the crime.

A priest was also defrocked for molesting young boys at that parish. May have been a couple years before "adam" (or Ryan..or whoever the hell he REALLY is) was a student there though. That priest was later given sanctuary by the President of Fairfield U, where (GET THIS) Peter Lanza taught finance!

Maybe revenge killings, ala the boys at Columbine who had been sexually abused by LEOs in the area before they went off...??? More likely the whole thing is phony and no one (or very few) was/were killed, IMHO though.

I wondered about the possibility of Adam going to someone on staff with a problem, maybe being ignored or sent away, and then holding that person (who didn't help him) responsible.

I still don't really think the Adam Lanza we've been given is a genuine individual or genuinely involved as the killer. But it could be a clue into the real story somehow.

Castaldo was at St. Rose in 1999 and 2000, though -- too early for Adam Lanza (if any of it's true).

However, the Lanzas allegedly attended St Rose church; if Adam was involved in any church activities or catechism stuff, etc., he could have come into contact w/Castaldo.

What about this scenario:

Lanza attends church and church activities at St. Rose for much of his youth; Castaldo was a priest at St. Rose from 1999-2000.

After a troubled schoolyear at Reed Intermediate, Adam is transferred to St. Rose in the last 8 weeks of 2005.

Being at the school (which is right next to the church; morning mass is held with all 300+ students every day) reminds him, joltingly, of what happened with Fr. Castaldo. He tries to tell some teachers, but no one will listen. Mrs. Manfredonia is teaching there at the time (fact).

What if he confided in her and she didn't believe him? Years later, would he call Mr. and Mrs. M up in a rage and say he's going to make them pay for what happened (not helping him or believing him)? Is that why they're there so early, freaking out?

I mean, he lives right by them--he'd see them every day. The teacher who didn't listen. And whose daughter attends Sandy Hook.

Just a possibility.

And I don't think the M child was in Roig's - I think that was a smokescreen to draw attention away from the classrooms where the shooting began (on the playground side of the building). But those being locked or whatever, the shooter(s) went for whatever rooms couldn't be locked, and ended up at 10 and 8.

The section on the playground side of the building, again, is the section destroyed first.

And it doesn't have to be any Adam Lanza; again, he's probably just a smokescreen for a real shooter(s). But it could have been one or two boys molested at St. Rose, regardless, who hold a teacher responsible.

Although he could have molested him as a young parishioner earlier and not when he was a student. AND, the time when Castaldo was being sheltered in the President's quarters at Fairfield U. corresponds better with the time "adam" was at the St. Rose School, if I remember correctly.