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GOD, the Evil Creator

 
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people don't want to know this and i can't blame them. there's nothing anyone can do.
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Perhaps they do want to know the truth. How can You speak for others?
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it didn't do me any good to know, so i just figure keep it to myself.
btw, what makes you so sure there is a god? it seems like there probably is but i don't know for sure. i wish i did, maybe i wouldn't feel so tormented.
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I can relate to the tormented thing. It took me well over half a century of work to untrap myself from societal and philosophical ideals and just plain Get It. We live in a world of cowards and fools that capitulate at the drop of the hat and will go along to get along. I never did and spent most of my adult life on the run. Now, I do not give a shit what happens to the human race. They do not want to be free and never will. All they do is whine and moan and groan and put on neckties and play the stupid game in which they are the ultimate losers. I am exposing all of this stupidity in this post for those that have ears.
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i know what you mean.
but i am sad this is our fate anyway, what a waste, what an atrocity. i hate being powerless to do anything about it.
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If I have to choose between Love and Good in one side, and God, in the other side, I choose Love and Good


Love and Good are moral principles that are more important than any Creator.
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That means: Evil will ALWAYS be defeated, no matter who is evil, God or Satan


Regardless of who is evil, I will never tolerate evil.
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Well, aren't you all important and omnipotent telling us what you will not tolerate. Are you GoD?
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What if I tell you that I am something like that?

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Me and you, babe....I been on that trip for half a fucking century. I am now dying and willing to tell all.
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I guess the problem here is if you are comparing God the Creator with the God of the Bibles and the Religions.....let's remove the names for a second....the Creator set the Universe in motion.....what we all do in this Universe is called CHOICE. Period.
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it's an evil system. no the names don't matter but the fact remains if a creator set this universe in motion it has turned out to be rife with evil and injustice, this comes from the source, the creator. you cannot logically separate it.
it'd be like me doing a painting and then claiming i had nothing to do with painting it.
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So freedom is an evil thing for you. We experience here freedom, under the limitations of the human body.
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freedom?? lol!
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did your own mess rape babies and do serial killings and what have ya?
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you fail

we have been given free will, our own messes, are our own faults, not god´s.

two lines to explain why this thread is a fail
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how can you construe it to be a childs fault when they are raped, tortured, killed? i'm sure the child would have liked to exercise this freewill to overcome the murderer.
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it´s the fault of the evildoer, obviously, why are you so bad at reasoning
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lol, i find your reasoning circular and illogical. would you just stand there and watch a child raped? would you?
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Another one blaming god of our own mess, FAIL.
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did your own mess rape babies and do serial killings and what have ya?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33812696


you fail

we have been given free will, our own messes, are our own faults, not god´s.

two lines to explain why this thread is a fail
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51766645

how can you construe it to be a childs fault when they are raped, tortured, killed? i'm sure the child would have liked to exercise this freewill to overcome the murderer.
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You are right of course. But God did not do this....What you are in essence asking about God is what throughout time people have always asked about God: Why does he allow evil to exist?
And that excellent simple question has an excellent, simple answer: God allows people to do whatever horrible, vile, evil things they want to, because to do otherwise would be to violate people’s free will, which is something that God’s love for all people absolutely prevents him from doing.
God gave us free will. And he will not take it from us. And we do not want him to take it from us. Free will is what defines us. It’s our most precious attribute. Without free will we are at best animals, and at worst mindless automatons.
God gave us our free will because he wants us fully independent. He so loves us, in other words, that he gave us the power to reject him. That is love, and full respect. We would not want, or stand for, anything less.
The great downside of free will is that it grants each and every one of us the capability of violating the free will of anyone weaker than ourselves. That’s a despicable thing to do, of course: it is what crime is. Ultimately all crime boils down to one person exercising their free will to in some way override the free will of another—which we all understand as such an egregious thing to do that we punish the perpetrator of such a violation by in turn removing, via imprisonment, their free will.Life is about the exchange and negotiation of relative free wills.(all perpetrated, I might add, by each other TOO each other)**
The irreducible truth is that right now, if I want to, I can beat my wife. She is weaker than I; she could not stop me from doing that. I am free to commit that atrocity.
What you would wish is for God to stop me from doing that, to stay my hand. You wish for God to look down, see that I am about to strike my wife, and somehow arrest that action: freeze me in mid-motion, paralyze my arm, instantly replace my crazed fury with peaceful thoughts and feelings.
You want God to in some way directly and purposefully violate my free will. You essentially and explicitly want me, at God’s will, to at that moment transform into God’s puppet.
But the truth is that you do not, in fact, want that. Because you would not want God to also be able to at will transform you into his mindless, will-free puppet. Ultimately you would insist for me what you certainly insist upon for yourself: absolute freedom.
Every blessing carries its own curse. The blessing of free will is the curse of human evil. The two are inseparable. That cannot change.
If you want will that is truly free—if you want everyone to have the kind of autonomy you certainly desire for yourself—then you want stronger people to be able to victimize weaker people. I know that feels pretty distinctly counter intuitive—but, if you think about it, that is where you arrive. It is where we all arrive. No human being wants a God who is constantly busy monitoring their every action and thought, and preventing or suddenly changing those which he feels cross the line between good and evil, between right and wrong, between acceptable and unacceptable.
None of us wants to exist on a slope so weird, slippery, random, and out of control. Not you. Not me. Not anyone. We don’t want God interfering with our lives and identity that way. And we can’t wish for others what we don’t want for ourselves.
I’d be the last person in the world to blame anyone for rejecting God. But the hard truth remains that it was not God who betrays.It is always people.
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Die.
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If I have to choose between Love and Good in one side, and God, in the other side, I choose Love and Good


Love and Good are moral principles that are more important than any Creator.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52203881




That means: Evil will ALWAYS be defeated, no matter who is evil, God or Satan


Regardless of who is evil, I will never tolerate evil.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52203881


Well, aren't you all important and omnipotent telling us what you will not tolerate. Are you GoD?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38420116




What if I tell you that I am something like that?

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52203881
well, your intolerance to evil is not doing the world a bit of good is it? you only have words, and if you ever came face to face with pure evil you would probably flip out.
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Perfectionists living in their mental utopias, pushing hard their personal agendas for a bright and pure land, living outside this reality.

Nice....

Can you stand imperfection?. We are here to learn to do so, to be compassionate towards other´s "impurities".... so you, yourselves, who consider on the know of things, seem to be far from pure on spreading such hate, hate is poison for the body, soul, and everything.

That poison is your alternative?, a better world is constructed HERE, NOW, not in an unexistant tomorrow, and NOT in your minds. NOT on your ideals.
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We are all programmed to cry out and pray to GoD.

Many go to church houses to collectively pray to this GoD.
Why?

 Quoting: AlefBet 38420116


some believe a collective 'moment of silence' is necessary for the dead to pass on
 Quoting: rekameohsnad


Where is George I asked a friend recently.
He is gone. They said.
Where did George go, I asked.
He has left us, they replied.
Where did he go, I insisted.
He is with his father, they said.
His father is in San Quinton, I replies. Is he there, too?
George has gone on to his reward, they said.
George is dead, one finally told me.

Life is a bunch of semantics and bullshit. Got It?
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Die.
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Die.
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Live.
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We are all programmed to cry out and pray to GoD.
Many go to church houses to collectively pray to this GoD.
Why?
What has this GoD ever done to help humanity?
Cancer, poison ivy, mosquitos, atom bombs and TV. That is what GoD has given us folks. It is Not Good.
Yet, we are supposed to Love GoD with our whole heart, mind and soul.
WHY?
What has GoD ever done for us?
The preachers say that we need to throw ourselves upon the Blood of his sacrificed son. We will surely be saved. Really?
Is GoD good? Or the exact opposite.
Maybe, it is all backwards and the villain or Evil One in this whole diorama of Life and Death is the CREATOR.
After all, he made it all and it was Good. Or so the literature says. What is good about it? What is it all about?
Perhaps, it is just a drama. Like a stage play or a movie or a show. Just entertainment. Is not entertainment Fun when someone else gets shot? When you or yours get shot it is a fucking catastrophe.
When someone else dies it is sad. When someone close to you dies it is a calamity.
Life and Death.
A dichotomy. The duality. Love and hate. Black and white.
Life and death. Fucking guinea pigs on a planet playing stupid drama to please GoD.
 Quoting: AlefBet 38420116


Lets see....you seem to accept a belief in God but you fail to acknowledge without God your miserable life would not even exist so that you can talk bad about him...interesting....

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ok that freewill thing is freakin psycho. canada says god would be violating a persons freewill if it stopped a child being tortured. well how nice for the torturer, too bad about the child. guess the childs free will just wasn't as important.
what a system of savage injustice!
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We are all programmed to cry out and pray to GoD.

Many go to church houses to collectively pray to this GoD.
Why?

 Quoting: AlefBet 38420116


some believe a collective 'moment of silence' is necessary for the dead to pass on
 Quoting: rekameohsnad


Where is George I asked a friend recently.
He is gone. They said.
Where did George go, I asked.
He has left us, they replied.
Where did he go, I insisted.
He is with his father, they said.
His father is in San Quinton, I replies. Is he there, too?
George has gone on to his reward, they said.
George is dead, one finally told me.

Life is a bunch of semantics and bullshit. Got It?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38420116


where a soul might pass on is not the issue so much

helping a soul pass on to somewhere is what most believe in religions....where isn't the issue

closing time, they don't have to go home but they can't stay here
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ok that freewill thing is freakin psycho. canada says god would be violating a persons freewill if it stopped a child being tortured. well how nice for the torturer, too bad about the child. guess the childs free will just wasn't as important.
what a system of savage injustice!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33812696


I don't disagree with you, however it is what it is.....you cant have it both ways. Choice/freewill or none at all. Rapists, Murderers, Molesters.....most, not all don't get away with it. WE PUNISH via our own justice systems. Doesn't always work, and we dont always get it right...but those of us that CHOOSE to not allow evil to have its way make a difference....
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Maybe it's better to look at the Universe as a big university or refining/recycling plant.
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Indeed many become confused on this part, not understanding the "jews" in exodus were not the Israelite of genesis.

Odd more so how easily they become confused reading seven letters to seven churches.


Yet this same offered all a chance to become as one, he has indeed sent the arch, and the philosophers stone, yet none apparently aware, again the keys hidden inside.


Time I call out, why, why can they not see, why do they not hear, yet the reply the same, each a part, no more no less.
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did your own mess rape babies and do serial killings and what have ya?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33812696


you fail

we have been given free will, our own messes, are our own faults, not god´s.

two lines to explain why this thread is a fail
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51766645

how can you construe it to be a childs fault when they are raped, tortured, killed? i'm sure the child would have liked to exercise this freewill to overcome the murderer.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33812696


You are right of course. But God did not do this....What you are in essence asking about God is what throughout time people have always asked about God: Why does he allow evil to exist?
And that excellent simple question has an excellent, simple answer: God allows people to do whatever horrible, vile, evil things they want to, because to do otherwise would be to violate people’s free will, which is something that God’s love for all people absolutely prevents him from doing.
God gave us free will. And he will not take it from us. And we do not want him to take it from us. Free will is what defines us. It’s our most precious attribute. Without free will we are at best animals, and at worst mindless automatons.
God gave us our free will because he wants us fully independent. He so loves us, in other words, that he gave us the power to reject him. That is love, and full respect. We would not want, or stand for, anything less.
The great downside of free will is that it grants each and every one of us the capability of violating the free will of anyone weaker than ourselves. That’s a despicable thing to do, of course: it is what crime is. Ultimately all crime boils down to one person exercising their free will to in some way override the free will of another—which we all understand as such an egregious thing to do that we punish the perpetrator of such a violation by in turn removing, via imprisonment, their free will.Life is about the exchange and negotiation of relative free wills.(all perpetrated, I might add, by each other TOO each other)**
The irreducible truth is that right now, if I want to, I can beat my wife. She is weaker than I; she could not stop me from doing that. I am free to commit that atrocity.
What you would wish is for God to stop me from doing that, to stay my hand. You wish for God to look down, see that I am about to strike my wife, and somehow arrest that action: freeze me in mid-motion, paralyze my arm, instantly replace my crazed fury with peaceful thoughts and feelings.
You want God to in some way directly and purposefully violate my free will. You essentially and explicitly want me, at God’s will, to at that moment transform into God’s puppet.
But the truth is that you do not, in fact, want that. Because you would not want God to also be able to at will transform you into his mindless, will-free puppet. Ultimately you would insist for me what you certainly insist upon for yourself: absolute freedom.
Every blessing carries its own curse. The blessing of free will is the curse of human evil. The two are inseparable. That cannot change.
If you want will that is truly free—if you want everyone to have the kind of autonomy you certainly desire for yourself—then you want stronger people to be able to victimize weaker people. I know that feels pretty distinctly counter intuitive—but, if you think about it, that is where you arrive. It is where we all arrive. No human being wants a God who is constantly busy monitoring their every action and thought, and preventing or suddenly changing those which he feels cross the line between good and evil, between right and wrong, between acceptable and unacceptable.
None of us wants to exist on a slope so weird, slippery, random, and out of control. Not you. Not me. Not anyone. We don’t want God interfering with our lives and identity that way. And we can’t wish for others what we don’t want for ourselves.
I’d be the last person in the world to blame anyone for rejecting God. But the hard truth remains that it was not God who betrays.It is always people.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52042105

You do realize that God setup the system, therefore he could have created us to not feel pain or be able to be victimized (ie. rape, murder, etc.)?
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Die.
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Live.
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Why?

You said there is nothing good.

God allows you to breathe in again

and even allows your heart to continue beating...
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When God created the planet it was a paradise with no death, pain etc. But because Adam and Eve failed to keep God's promise the Earth has been cursed. Now we live in a planet with imperfect human beings and Satan as the "God of this world" it will be rough ride for many. But keep your faith because God will return this planet to his original content.
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yes, if there is a god it does seem quite evil. sadistic and deceitful.
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No ifs ands or buts...there is a GoD. It is far removed from the publicity image it has projected.
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yah, something really wrong with that picture.
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We are all programmed to cry out and pray to GoD.
Many go to church houses to collectively pray to this GoD.
Why?
What has this GoD ever done to help humanity?
Cancer, poison ivy, mosquitos, atom bombs and TV. That is what GoD has given us folks. It is Not Good.
Yet, we are supposed to Love GoD with our whole heart, mind and soul.
WHY?
What has GoD ever done for us?
The preachers say that we need to throw ourselves upon the Blood of his sacrificed son. We will surely be saved. Really?
Is GoD good? Or the exact opposite.
Maybe, it is all backwards and the villain or Evil One in this whole diorama of Life and Death is the CREATOR.
After all, he made it all and it was Good. Or so the literature says. What is good about it? What is it all about?
Perhaps, it is just a drama. Like a stage play or a movie or a show. Just entertainment. Is not entertainment Fun when someone else gets shot? When you or yours get shot it is a fucking catastrophe.
When someone else dies it is sad. When someone close to you dies it is a calamity.
Life and Death.
A dichotomy. The duality. Love and hate. Black and white.
Life and death. Fucking guinea pigs on a planet playing stupid drama to please GoD.
 Quoting: AlefBet 38420116


specialstupid
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it's a deceitful and violent universe.
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There is no demiurge or omnipotent god, nor is there a devil who embodies all evil.

There's only interdependent/dependent-origination, and transmigration due to ignorance, and liberation from ignorance and transmigration.

The demiurge could symbolize the ignorant mind perhaps, but there's no demiurge outside of ourselves who creates the universe.

'God' could symbolize our real nature though.

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meh. there is something at the top of the food chain that runs this universe just like this world is run. i mean just like this worlddamned
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There is no demiurge or omnipotent god, nor is there a devil who embodies all evil.

There's only interdependent/dependent-origination, and transmigration due to ignorance, and liberation from ignorance and transmigration.

The demiurge could symbolize the ignorant mind perhaps, but there's no demiurge outside of ourselves who creates the universe.

God could symbolize our real nature though.
 Quoting: Buddha Nature
still if that is the case the human race needs to suicide due to the violent nature. the majority keeps ruling and it just ain't right.
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meh. there is something at the top of the food chain that runs this universe just like this world is run. i mean just like this worlddamned
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There may exist powerful Devas and Asuras, but even if they have very long lives, they are impermanent; not eternal creator gods or literal demiurges or something like that.
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Let me ask you all a question.
Do you fear death? An operation at the hospital? War?
Losing your home? Catching cancer? and on an on..
This so-called loving GoD created this illusion. He set up a system of puppets (priests) to tell you it is all the devis fault...misspelling deliberate.
This awful, creepy prick and his minions are winning control of the mass minds...yeah, mass...got it?
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Faith overrides all this
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meh. there is something at the top of the food chain that runs this universe just like this world is run. i mean just like this worlddamned
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There may exist powerful Devas and Asuras, but even if they have very long lives, they are impermanent; not eternal creator gods or literal demiurges or something like that.
 Quoting: Buddha Nature

i know about those. they fight amongst themselves. they have grown weak and vapid.
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human race was created basically to be cattle. toys, whatever.





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