Sandy Hook - The Scene of "Adam Lanza's Suicide" | |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 39492687 United States 01/03/2014 02:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Really? I had not been apprised of that before. Where was that stated? Why was Adam handcuffed after they found him deceased in the classroom? is that standard procedure? In some of the police reports in book 6 of redacted documents, it mentions that his deceased body has handcuffed........... Book 6: 00001113..pdf, page 2 “Almost immediately upon arrival, this Detective observed a white male in handcuffs being escorted through the parking area by a uniformed Trooper. It was relayed that the male was from the New York area and had no connection to the school and no reason to be on scene.” January 1 at 8:26pm · Edited · Like · 2 Book 6: 00001113..pdf, page 2 “...it appeared that there might be two shooters, as there were two sweatshirts located somewhere outside the scene, possibly by some garbage cans, and that one shooter was down inside the building.” (on the passenger side of the black Honda?) January 1 at 8:31pm · Like · 2 Book 6: 00001362.pdf, page 2 “This Trooper and Officer Williams assumed a security post...at the area of the rear gate to the playground at SHES. The gate had a lock and chain that was cut, with the chain re-attached to the gate. The cut link was found [on] the ground near the gate. Also on the ground was a black pouch that resembled a glove pouch issued to law enforcement personnel…. the cut chain looked suspicious and no one could account for the black pouch on the ground.” |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 17586504 United States 01/03/2014 11:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Really? I had not been apprised of that before. Where was that stated? Why was Adam handcuffed after they found him deceased in the classroom? is that standard procedure? In some of the police reports in book 6 of redacted documents, it mentions that his deceased body has handcuffed........... Book 6: 00001113..pdf, page 2 Wow, that is simply amazing! It is almost as if they are begging us to notice the tendentiousness and falsehood of their contention. Obviously, there is no legitimate purpose to handcuffing a corpse that has already had the substantial portion of its head blown off. It is almost as if they are taunting us, baiting us toward the conclusion that they executed "Lanza." I can only wonder why they are deliberately suggesting that conclusion. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 52353308 United States 01/03/2014 12:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Eric Vollmer is visible in pictures from Sandy Hook that day - a new (to me) roll from an Italian journalist: [link to media.crimeblog.it] and [link to media.crimeblog.it] |
ACG User ID: 20306206 United States 01/03/2014 10:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Notice how there is no appreciable blood or tissue spatter visible to the "east" of what is apparently depicted as Lanza's body. Also note how Lanza's body seems to be curled and facing the "WEST" wall of the room, while the purported instrument of death is lying to the "east" of his body... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17586504 [link to www.youtube.com] What body curled? Anything in the report saying that dark object seen in room 10 next to the hand gun was his body? With so much CONTENT REDACTED seems strange for them to show a body or even a piece of a body. I just don't see that as being a body be it hoax or not. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 17586504 United States 01/03/2014 10:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Notice how there is no appreciable blood or tissue spatter visible to the "east" of what is apparently depicted as Lanza's body. Also note how Lanza's body seems to be curled and facing the "WEST" wall of the room, while the purported instrument of death is lying to the "east" of his body... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17586504 [link to www.youtube.com] What body curled? Anything in the report saying that dark object seen in room 10 next to the hand gun was his body? With so much CONTENT REDACTED seems strange for them to show a body or even a piece of a body. I just don't see that as being a body be it hoax or not. According to the sworn deposition and report of CSP/DPS Det. Karoline Keith, attached to Sedensky's summary as an appendix, the object lying approximately 2' 8" to the left of the gun is the shooter's body. If it is your point that no purport from either the summary or report may be taken seriously, then we are in agreement. Admittedly, the object shown in this photo/video seems to lie less than 32 inches to the left of the handgun, but I cannot imagine what else it is supposed to be, nor can I fathom how an official police report would not identify and characterize another object so large lying between the body and the handgun. The fact remains that the scene as depicted/staged requires a body to be lying somewhere in the vicinity of the dark object we are discussing. Please note my deliberate use of the terms "apparently" and "seems" in the above entry, which clearly signal the fact that I am not making a definitive statement. If you have other thoughts or observations regarding the identity of this object or the location of Lanza's body, I would be glad to read them. However, the main observation that I offered, that there would have to be an enormous amount of blood/bone/tissue spatter visible in this frame (which there is not). Further, both the report and this frame require that a handgun held precariously behind a shooter's back had recoiled forward to land somewhere to the right of that shooter's body. Once again, if you have any further thoughts or illuminations on this I would be glad to read them. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 17586504 United States 01/03/2014 11:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Notice how there is no appreciable blood or tissue spatter visible to the "east" of what is apparently depicted as Lanza's body. Also note how Lanza's body seems to be curled and facing the "WEST" wall of the room, while the purported instrument of death is lying to the "east" of his body... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17586504 [link to www.youtube.com] What body curled? Anything in the report saying that dark object seen in room 10 next to the hand gun was his body? With so much CONTENT REDACTED seems strange for them to show a body or even a piece of a body. I just don't see that as being a body be it hoax or not. According to the sworn deposition and report of CSP/DPS Det. Karoline Keith, attached to Sedensky's summary as an appendix, the object lying approximately 2' 8" to the left of the gun is the shooter's body. If it is your point that no purport from either the summary or report may be taken seriously, then we are in agreement. Admittedly, the object shown in this photo/video seems to lie less than 32 inches to the left of the handgun, but I cannot imagine what else it is supposed to be, nor can I fathom how an official police report would not identify and characterize another object so large lying between the body and the handgun. The fact remains that the scene as depicted/staged requires a body to be lying somewhere in the vicinity of the dark object we are discussing. Please note my deliberate use of the terms "apparently" and "seems" in the above entry, which clearly signal the fact that I am not making a definitive statement. If you have other thoughts or observations regarding the identity of this object or the location of Lanza's body, I would be glad to read them. However, the main observation that I offered, that there would have to be an enormous amount of blood/bone/tissue spatter visible in this frame (which there is not). Further, both the report and this frame require that a handgun held precariously behind a shooter's back had recoiled forward to land somewhere to the right of that shooter's body. Once again, if you have any further thoughts or illuminations on this I would be glad to read them. Oops, sorry... "However, the main observation that I offered, that there would have to be an enormous amount of blood/bone/tissue spatter visible in this frame (which there is not) [in order for the official narrative to be true, remains]." |
Frayed Knot User ID: 35406953 United States 01/03/2014 11:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | According to an appendix to Sedensky's summary, Adam lanza committed suicide in Room 10 of SHES by reaching over his shoulder and behind his back while holding a full-size handgun in a forward firing position. The gun's muzzle was supposedly pointed sharply upward and positioned 13-14 inches below the apex of his skull, facing almost directly forward. Aside from the seeming impossibility of this feat (if anyone has any information about Lanza having been a quadruple-jointed contortionist with extraordinarily long limbs, please provide it) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17586504 So Adam was shot in the back of the head? This is the first I've heard of that. Wow. I have long feared that my sins would return to visit me, and the cost is more than I can bear. - The Patriot |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 17586504 United States 01/04/2014 01:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | According to an appendix to Sedensky's summary, Adam lanza committed suicide in Room 10 of SHES by reaching over his shoulder and behind his back while holding a full-size handgun in a forward firing position. The gun's muzzle was supposedly pointed sharply upward and positioned 13-14 inches below the apex of his skull, facing almost directly forward. Aside from the seeming impossibility of this feat (if anyone has any information about Lanza having been a quadruple-jointed contortionist with extraordinarily long limbs, please provide it) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17586504 So Adam was shot in the back of the head? This is the first I've heard of that. Wow. Yes. According to the appendices to Sedensky's summary, Lanza shot himself in the lower right rear portion of his head. He was purportedly wearing boots that placed the apex of his cranium 73-74 inches off the ground, and the muzzle height was stated to be approximately 60 inches off the ground. The point data disclosed in the report indicates that the path of the bullet ascended nearly directly forward through his head, with a left lateral deviation of <8 degrees and a sharp upward angle of approximately 48 degrees. This purportedly caused the bullet to exit the upper front portion of his skull. I personally do not believe that it is possible for a human being to self-inflict such a wound, especially with a full-size Glock. I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiment: "Wow!" I can only wonder why they are tempting us toward the conclusion that the Sandy Hook gunman was executed. Is it a way to direct the attention of those who are suspicious of the event to the possibility that Lanza was real, thinking that if we feel we are on to the execution of a actual gunman we will begin to believe that the event actually occurred? Is it an implicit signal that the Patsy Theory is valid? |
Frayed Knot User ID: 35406953 United States 01/04/2014 01:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | According to an appendix to Sedensky's summary, Adam lanza committed suicide in Room 10 of SHES by reaching over his shoulder and behind his back while holding a full-size handgun in a forward firing position. The gun's muzzle was supposedly pointed sharply upward and positioned 13-14 inches below the apex of his skull, facing almost directly forward. Aside from the seeming impossibility of this feat (if anyone has any information about Lanza having been a quadruple-jointed contortionist with extraordinarily long limbs, please provide it) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17586504 So Adam was shot in the back of the head? This is the first I've heard of that. Wow. Yes. According to the appendices to Sedensky's summary, Lanza shot himself in the lower right rear portion of his head. He was purportedly wearing boots that placed the apex of his cranium 73-74 inches off the ground, and the muzzle height was stated to be approximately 60 inches off the ground. The point data disclosed in the report indicates that the path of the bullet ascended nearly directly forward through his head, with a left lateral deviation of <8 degrees and a sharp upward angle of approximately 48 degrees. This purportedly caused the bullet to exit the upper front portion of his skull. I personally do not believe that it is possible for a human being to self-inflict such a wound, especially with a full-size Glock. I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiment: "Wow!" I can only wonder why they are tempting us toward the conclusion that the Sandy Hook gunman was executed. Is it a way to direct the attention of those who are suspicious of the event to the possibility that Lanza was real, thinking that if we feel we are on to the execution of a actual gunman we will begin to believe that the event actually occurred? Is it an implicit signal that the Patsy Theory is valid? Ow. Head hurts. I have long feared that my sins would return to visit me, and the cost is more than I can bear. - The Patriot |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 14611916 United States 01/04/2014 03:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Notice how there is no appreciable blood or tissue spatter visible to the "east" of what is apparently depicted as Lanza's body. Also note how Lanza's body seems to be curled and facing the "WEST" wall of the room, while the purported instrument of death is lying to the "east" of his body... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17586504 [link to www.youtube.com] What body curled? Anything in the report saying that dark object seen in room 10 next to the hand gun was his body? With so much CONTENT REDACTED seems strange for them to show a body or even a piece of a body. I just don't see that as being a body be it hoax or not. According to the sworn deposition and report of CSP/DPS Det. Karoline Keith, attached to Sedensky's summary as an appendix, the object lying approximately 2' 8" to the left of the gun is the shooter's body. If it is your point that no purport from either the summary or report may be taken seriously, then we are in agreement. Admittedly, the object shown in this photo/video seems to lie less than 32 inches to the left of the handgun, but I cannot imagine what else it is supposed to be, nor can I fathom how an official police report would not identify and characterize another object so large lying between the body and the handgun. The fact remains that the scene as depicted/staged requires a body to be lying somewhere in the vicinity of the dark object we are discussing. Please note my deliberate use of the terms "apparently" and "seems" in the above entry, which clearly signal the fact that I am not making a definitive statement. If you have other thoughts or observations regarding the identity of this object or the location of Lanza's body, I would be glad to read them. However, the main observation that I offered, that there would have to be an enormous amount of blood/bone/tissue spatter visible in this frame (which there is not). Further, both the report and this frame require that a handgun held precariously behind a shooter's back had recoiled forward to land somewhere to the right of that shooter's body. Once again, if you have any further thoughts or illuminations on this I would be glad to read them. The only other picture I have found showing a/the body is from CFS 1200704597 > 00025240.pdf > Page 9 I think the blob near the gun is the ass of the body and it's positioning is such that the body is resting on its right side. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 34763230 United States 01/04/2014 09:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Notice how there is no appreciable blood or tissue spatter visible to the "east" of what is apparently depicted as Lanza's body. Also note how Lanza's body seems to be curled and facing the "WEST" wall of the room, while the purported instrument of death is lying to the "east" of his body... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17586504 [link to www.youtube.com] What body curled? Anything in the report saying that dark object seen in room 10 next to the hand gun was his body? With so much CONTENT REDACTED seems strange for them to show a body or even a piece of a body. I just don't see that as being a body be it hoax or not. According to the sworn deposition and report of CSP/DPS Det. Karoline Keith, attached to Sedensky's summary as an appendix, the object lying approximately 2' 8" to the left of the gun is the shooter's body. If it is your point that no purport from either the summary or report may be taken seriously, then we are in agreement. Admittedly, the object shown in this photo/video seems to lie less than 32 inches to the left of the handgun, but I cannot imagine what else it is supposed to be, nor can I fathom how an official police report would not identify and characterize another object so large lying between the body and the handgun. The fact remains that the scene as depicted/staged requires a body to be lying somewhere in the vicinity of the dark object we are discussing. Please note my deliberate use of the terms "apparently" and "seems" in the above entry, which clearly signal the fact that I am not making a definitive statement. If you have other thoughts or observations regarding the identity of this object or the location of Lanza's body, I would be glad to read them. However, the main observation that I offered, that there would have to be an enormous amount of blood/bone/tissue spatter visible in this frame (which there is not). Further, both the report and this frame require that a handgun held precariously behind a shooter's back had recoiled forward to land somewhere to the right of that shooter's body. Once again, if you have any further thoughts or illuminations on this I would be glad to read them. The only other picture I have found showing a/the body is from CFS 1200704597 > 00025240.pdf > Page 9 I think the blob near the gun is the ass of the body and it's positioning is such that the body is resting on its right side. It also looks like the sole of his his is at the end of the butt if the gun grip. Could he have been on his knees? Hands behind head? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 50560294 United States 01/04/2014 10:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The police audio reflects officers yelling "CLEAR!" and "We have one suspect down!" followed a few seconds later by "CLEAR!" and "We have a suspect down." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50560294 The first of these happens at 9:51:31, exactly when officers charge Room 10 (and officer Lenny Penna, in the hallway, says he hears a gunshot and assumes his guys shot someone). |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 17586504 United States 01/04/2014 01:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Notice how there is no appreciable blood or tissue spatter visible to the "east" of what is apparently depicted as Lanza's body. Also note how Lanza's body seems to be curled and facing the "WEST" wall of the room, while the purported instrument of death is lying to the "east" of his body... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17586504 [link to www.youtube.com] What body curled? Anything in the report saying that dark object seen in room 10 next to the hand gun was his body? With so much CONTENT REDACTED seems strange for them to show a body or even a piece of a body. I just don't see that as being a body be it hoax or not. According to the sworn deposition and report of CSP/DPS Det. Karoline Keith, attached to Sedensky's summary as an appendix, the object lying approximately 2' 8" to the left of the gun is the shooter's body. If it is your point that no purport from either the summary or report may be taken seriously, then we are in agreement. Admittedly, the object shown in this photo/video seems to lie less than 32 inches to the left of the handgun, but I cannot imagine what else it is supposed to be, nor can I fathom how an official police report would not identify and characterize another object so large lying between the body and the handgun. The fact remains that the scene as depicted/staged requires a body to be lying somewhere in the vicinity of the dark object we are discussing. Please note my deliberate use of the terms "apparently" and "seems" in the above entry, which clearly signal the fact that I am not making a definitive statement. If you have other thoughts or observations regarding the identity of this object or the location of Lanza's body, I would be glad to read them. However, the main observation that I offered, that there would have to be an enormous amount of blood/bone/tissue spatter visible in this frame (which there is not). Further, both the report and this frame require that a handgun held precariously behind a shooter's back had recoiled forward to land somewhere to the right of that shooter's body. Once again, if you have any further thoughts or illuminations on this I would be glad to read them. The only other picture I have found showing a/the body is from CFS 1200704597 > 00025240.pdf > Page 9 I think the blob near the gun is the ass of the body and it's positioning is such that the body is resting on its right side. I share your interpretation. This, coupled with other posters' assertions that Lanza was found curled into a fetal position, is what brings me to conclude that "Lanza's body seems to be [depicted as] curled and facing the "WEST" wall of the room, while the purported instrument of death is lying to the "EAST" of his body." |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 17586504 United States 01/04/2014 02:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As ridiculous as it sounds it's standard procedure for cops to handcuff people they shoot,just in case they're not dead or fully incapacitated I guess. Quoting: Prizefighter Inferno I am familiar with the general procedure you describe involving torso or other wounds, but I have never heard of cops handcuffing an obvious corpse that is missing a substantial portion of its head with significant cavitation in the front of its cranium. Do you have a source suggesting this action? Also, I find this aspect of your post extremely telling: "...it's standard procedure for cops to handcuff people they shoot..." |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 17586504 United States 01/04/2014 10:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: ACG 20306206 What body curled? Anything in the report saying that dark object seen in room 10 next to the hand gun was his body? With so much CONTENT REDACTED seems strange for them to show a body or even a piece of a body. I just don't see that as being a body be it hoax or not. According to the sworn deposition and report of CSP/DPS Det. Karoline Keith, attached to Sedensky's summary as an appendix, the object lying approximately 2' 8" to the left of the gun is the shooter's body. If it is your point that no purport from either the summary or report may be taken seriously, then we are in agreement. Admittedly, the object shown in this photo/video seems to lie less than 32 inches to the left of the handgun, but I cannot imagine what else it is supposed to be, nor can I fathom how an official police report would not identify and characterize another object so large lying between the body and the handgun. The fact remains that the scene as depicted/staged requires a body to be lying somewhere in the vicinity of the dark object we are discussing. Please note my deliberate use of the terms "apparently" and "seems" in the above entry, which clearly signal the fact that I am not making a definitive statement. If you have other thoughts or observations regarding the identity of this object or the location of Lanza's body, I would be glad to read them. However, the main observation that I offered, that there would have to be an enormous amount of blood/bone/tissue spatter visible in this frame (which there is not). Further, both the report and this frame require that a handgun held precariously behind a shooter's back had recoiled forward to land somewhere to the right of that shooter's body. Once again, if you have any further thoughts or illuminations on this I would be glad to read them. The only other picture I have found showing a/the body is from CFS 1200704597 > 00025240.pdf > Page 9 I think the blob near the gun is the ass of the body and it's positioning is such that the body is resting on its right side. It also looks like the sole of his his is at the end of the butt if the gun grip. Could he have been on his knees? Hands behind head? "Could he have been on his knees? Hands behind head?" If so, then they would also have had to notate a gunshot wound plus powder burns to to one or both of his hands. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 34763230 United States 01/04/2014 10:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17586504 According to the sworn deposition and report of CSP/DPS Det. Karoline Keith, attached to Sedensky's summary as an appendix, the object lying approximately 2' 8" to the left of the gun is the shooter's body. If it is your point that no purport from either the summary or report may be taken seriously, then we are in agreement. Admittedly, the object shown in this photo/video seems to lie less than 32 inches to the left of the handgun, but I cannot imagine what else it is supposed to be, nor can I fathom how an official police report would not identify and characterize another object so large lying between the body and the handgun. The fact remains that the scene as depicted/staged requires a body to be lying somewhere in the vicinity of the dark object we are discussing. Please note my deliberate use of the terms "apparently" and "seems" in the above entry, which clearly signal the fact that I am not making a definitive statement. If you have other thoughts or observations regarding the identity of this object or the location of Lanza's body, I would be glad to read them. However, the main observation that I offered, that there would have to be an enormous amount of blood/bone/tissue spatter visible in this frame (which there is not). Further, both the report and this frame require that a handgun held precariously behind a shooter's back had recoiled forward to land somewhere to the right of that shooter's body. Once again, if you have any further thoughts or illuminations on this I would be glad to read them. The only other picture I have found showing a/the body is from CFS 1200704597 > 00025240.pdf > Page 9 I think the blob near the gun is the ass of the body and it's positioning is such that the body is resting on its right side. It also looks like the sole of his his is at the end of the butt if the gun grip. Could he have been on his knees? Hands behind head? "Could he have been on his knees? Hands behind head?" If so, then they would also have had to notate a gunshot wound plus powder burns to to one or both of his hands. Does it look like the sole of his shoe near the butt of the gun to you? I also thought the nuns had on very similar shoes if not the same as his and there were several found in his garage.... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 49440066 United States 01/04/2014 10:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As ridiculous as it sounds it's standard procedure for cops to handcuff people they shoot,just in case they're not dead or fully incapacitated I guess. Quoting: Prizefighter Inferno I am familiar with the general procedure you describe involving torso or other wounds, but I have never heard of cops handcuffing an obvious corpse that is missing a substantial portion of its head with significant cavitation in the front of its cranium. Do you have a source suggesting this action? Also, I find this aspect of your post extremely telling: "...it's standard procedure for cops to handcuff people they shoot..." not sure but isn't their a picture of the LAX shooter handcuffed with blood pouring out his head and brain matter a few feet from him? but a lot of people consider that a hoax as well so who knows, maybe it's a procedure in the hoaxes or drills? just my 2 cents |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 17586504 United States 01/04/2014 11:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The only other picture I have found showing a/the body is from CFS 1200704597 > 00025240.pdf > Page 9 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34763230 I think the blob near the gun is the ass of the body and it's positioning is such that the body is resting on its right side. It also looks like the sole of his his is at the end of the butt if the gun grip. Could he have been on his knees? Hands behind head? "Could he have been on his knees? Hands behind head?" If so, then they would also have had to notate a gunshot wound plus powder burns to to one or both of his hands. Does it look like the sole of his shoe near the butt of the gun to you? I also thought the nuns had on very similar shoes if not the same as his and there were several found in his garage.... I don't see anything particularly near the butt of the handgun. Do you mean the object above and to the left of the evidence card nearest the camera? I have interpreted that to be the buttocks of the "corpse" at the point where it curls to form its sharpest protruding angle. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 17586504 United States 01/04/2014 11:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am familiar with the general procedure you describe involving torso or other wounds, but I have never heard of cops handcuffing an obvious corpse that is missing a substantial portion of its head with significant cavitation in the front of its cranium. Do you have a source suggesting this action? Also, I find this aspect of your post extremely telling: "...it's standard procedure for cops to handcuff people they shoot..." not sure but isn't their a picture of the LAX shooter handcuffed with blood pouring out his head and brain matter a few feet from him? but a lot of people consider that a hoax as well so who knows, maybe it's a procedure in the hoaxes or drills? just my 2 cents I have never heard of that. As I understood it, Ciancia was conscious and responsive to officers when he was transported to the emergency unit at UCLA Medical Center. An image of Ciancia raising his head while handcuffed to his gurney may be found in this video: [link to www.youtube.com] |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 17586504 United States 01/05/2014 09:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Book 6: 00001113..pdf, page 2 “Almost immediately upon arrival, this Detective observed a white male in handcuffs being escorted through the parking area by a uniformed Trooper. It was relayed that the male was from the New York area and had no connection to the school and no reason to be on scene.” January 1 at 8:26pm · Edited · Like · 2 Book 6: 00001362.pdf, page 2 “This Trooper and Officer Williams assumed a security post...at the area of the rear gate to the playground at SHES. The gate had a lock and chain that was cut, with the chain re-attached to the gate. The cut link was found [on] the ground near the gate. Also on the ground was a black pouch that resembled a glove pouch issued to law enforcement personnel…. the cut chain looked suspicious and no one could account for the black pouch on the ground.” This is intriguing, especially as it relates to Vance's contention that police did not chase anyone into the woods. Acording to Vance, the only person detained in the woods that day was a volunteer fireman who had heard gunfire and was approaching the school through the woods to give assistance. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] (at 4:25) |
ACG User ID: 20306206 United States 01/06/2014 01:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Notice how there is no appreciable blood or tissue spatter visible to the "east" of what is apparently depicted as Lanza's body. Also note how Lanza's body seems to be curled and facing the "WEST" wall of the room, while the purported instrument of death is lying to the "east" of his body... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17586504 [link to www.youtube.com] What body curled? Anything in the report saying that dark object seen in room 10 next to the hand gun was his body? With so much CONTENT REDACTED seems strange for them to show a body or even a piece of a body. I just don't see that as being a body be it hoax or not. According to the sworn deposition and report of CSP/DPS Det. Karoline Keith, attached to Sedensky's summary as an appendix, the object lying approximately 2' 8" to the left of the gun is the shooter's body. If it is your point that no purport from either the summary or report may be taken seriously, then we are in agreement. Admittedly, the object shown in this photo/video seems to lie less than 32 inches to the left of the handgun, but I cannot imagine what else it is supposed to be, nor can I fathom how an official police report would not identify and characterize another object so large lying between the body and the handgun. The fact remains that the scene as depicted/staged requires a body to be lying somewhere in the vicinity of the dark object we are discussing. Please note my deliberate use of the terms "apparently" and "seems" in the above entry, which clearly signal the fact that I am not making a definitive statement. If you have other thoughts or observations regarding the identity of this object or the location of Lanza's body, I would be glad to read them. However, the main observation that I offered, that there would have to be an enormous amount of blood/bone/tissue spatter visible in this frame (which there is not). Further, both the report and this frame require that a handgun held precariously behind a shooter's back had recoiled forward to land somewhere to the right of that shooter's body. Once again, if you have any further thoughts or illuminations on this I would be glad to read them. The only other picture I have found showing a/the body is from CFS 1200704597 > 00025240.pdf > Page 9 I think the blob near the gun is the ass of the body and it's positioning is such that the body is resting on its right side. Thanks. Now I see it. This the one over at youtube being show a lot. I can understand a color report scanned in black and white but as we see there are plenty of other pdf files show full color high resolution images. No excuse. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 44650645 United States 01/06/2014 09:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You may have noticed that the inside of Lanza's hat is as clean as a new hat off of the shelf. This is despite that the top half of his head and brains should be in there. The medical examiner's autopsy summary stated there was MASSIVE skull and brain damage. Looks to me like Lanza could have rented a tuxedo for the event and returned it for his deposit. |