US now allowed to seize travelers laptops without reason

I just read this. Utterly disgraceful!

Yet another reason to never visit the US again. It makes me laugh every time I see one of the commercials to visit California or Florida on TV here in the UK; most people I talk to say they would never consider visiting the US any longer.

Just more Security Theater at the expense of our Liberties...people are still surprised by this?!?!?

My visa to the US expired last year and I'm not going to renew it. First time in my whole life this has happened. I used to have a permanent visa, but it was revoked for a 10 year.

My parents always had passports and visas ready to get us into the US quickly, just in case.

Nowadays my American sister is applying for Peruvian passports for her children, just in case.

^^^this.

They have been doing this for 25 years... they still have one of mine thy seized in 1992.

Be happy your on the outside of this giant FEMA camp.

Everyone looks around for these small FEMA camps when all the while they have made the whole US a concentration/FEMA camp!

The world is going to shit...

Just a few beautiful things left...

If you travel somewhere on a regular basis, setup a po box or whatever. Then ship the hardrive same as you would ship gold. Scanned every step of the way. Back it up first though. 2 screws and they slide right out. well most of them.

I need one of them for emergency Ayahuasca therapy.

Seizing a persons labtop violates two constitutional admonitions: ONE, it represents a "taking" without Due Process of Law; SECOND, it violates the 4th Amendment that there can be no search nor seizure without probable cause. I presume this ruling will be appealled.

Let me make a point here: When martial law is declared and tyrannical laws are enacted; what is your remedy? And, from a practical standpoint, where do you stand? The criminals in Washington know this: it takes TIME to have a matter heard before the highest court in the land. Sometimes years; remember that Lincoln repeal the Right of Habeas Corpus? It took years before the U.S. Supreme Court held his action Unconstitutional. As such, when tyranny comes we will suffer for years before that matter can be reviewed and reversed. This is one reason why "separation of power" is ineffectual.

interesting. thanks for sharing that.

It's also theft of your property, I won't be taking my $2500 laptop across the border now, if work sends me they will have to provide one in the event it gets seized.

I couldn't imagine as my entire career is on it.

So putting this in perspective 220 million people moved in and out of the US in a year and 1000 laptops were searched. If only 10% of those travelers had laptops that is less than .0001% and the real figure is probably far lower than that.

Then coupled with the fact that they would have a target group they were searching for so not really a problem at all.

Your rights do not matter?

Once law is passed they will tread deeper

Last Edited by CYBERDELIK on 01/03/2014 11:25 AM

Whatever you Americans do, NEVER EVER EVER give up your guns. Not even if they give you legal pot in return.
As soon as you guys have been disarmed the whole western world will be led to the slaughter with you.

That makes it ok then, just let the government do whater the hell it likes. fucking moron.

Full disk encryption + /home/ encryption

The sun will burn out before my passphrase is cracked

NO. I don't care what a "judge" said. Unreasonable search and seizure by any other name is still a turd. If you keep accepting these little pieces of paper as having power over you, why would they stop writing them? Just say NO.

I just remove the harddisk from my laptop and replace it with a cleaned hard disk with nothing on it when I travel or cross the border. Everything else I just either fedex to my hotel or download via ssh. I no longer trust Customs or Border patrol. The fact that they can seize my computer without warning already tells me not to travel with any electronics.

Anything I download or get from across the border, I will just Fedex my stuff on a mini-sd card hidden away in paper documents. Last time I traveled, I just sewed on the mini-sd to my pants. 64GB can hold a lot. I then completely wipe the harddisk.

hopefully not with truecrypt.
dont need passphrase anymore
backdoored. instant decryption with right software.
soz buddy.

That makes it ok then, just let the government do whater the hell it likes. fucking moron.

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Hey ass clown did you read anything in my comment where I said it was OK. No its not OK but I was talking about perspective, too thick to understand that are you.

Given there are real threats out there how do you propose to deal with those threats? Lets see you come up with he answers. Do you have locks on your car , doors to you're house why is that is it because there are perceived and real threats. Or do you think it's OK to remove all that security?

I don't like the searches at the airports, treated like a criminal when you're not and even if you ignore the fake war on terror we still need levels of security in our lives like it or not.

So what is the answer big mouth?

This is just modern day espionage. They just take your laptop outright to learn all the industrial secrets you may have. Russia has been doing this at the border for a long time and so has China. The US doing it is just playing catchup with the rest of them doing this shit. We used to be a bastion to freedom and showing people how to do things, now we're no worse than China.

Europe used to do it too, but I've rarely heard of cases there like that lately, but it has happened and they can take and seize your electronics just the same as well over there.

1 judge decides to end property rights?

Jewish judge. Nuff said.

get out while you can!

So because I lock my door, it's okay to take my laptop at an airport security point at will?