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Did Chief Justice Roberts Actually Set A Trap For Obama?

 
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Did Chief Justice Roberts Actually Set A Trap For Obama?
Justice Roberts may not have sold us out, like it appears he did, but he may actually be rubbing our noses in it, like the owner of a puppy that just took a dump on the carpet.

January 2, 2014

The Roberts Trap Is Sprung

By Bill Dunne

One of the most overlooked aspects of the year just ended is the vindication of Chief Justice John Roberts -- a vindication that showed up as the national catastrophe known as ObamaCare got rolling. Roberts may have also doomed Hillary Clinton's chance to live in the White House again.


The chief justice, an appointee of President George W. Bush and reputedly a constitutionalist in his jurisprudence, set his diabolical trap (diabolical to Democrats) on June 28, 2012, when he joined with the four liberal justices on the Supreme Court to uphold the constitutionality of ObamaCare. Conservatives and Republicans across the land were apoplectic. But in hindsight, it appears that Roberts actually saved the Republican Party from going into a death spiral and imperiled the Democrats instead. This suggests amazing foresight, but it wouldn't be the only instance.


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Re: Did Chief Justice Roberts Actually Set A Trap For Obama?
You never said what the trap was and how it was set.

Elaborate
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Not buying it. Roberts changed his mind mid-stream.

ObamaCare is reaping what was sowed, now that we find out what is in after they signed it. Now Obama is unilaterally changing the law, that is totally unconstitutional.
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You never said what the trap was and how it was set.

Elaborate
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Read the damn article!
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Not buying it. Roberts changed his mind mid-stream.

ObamaCare is reaping what was sowed, now that we find out what is in after they signed it. Now Obama is unilaterally changing the law, that is totally unconstitutional.
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We'll just have to wait and see.
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I hate to disagree so strongly with an American Thinker article, but it is infuriatingly wrong. Judas Roberts betrayed his country and his oath and contributed to the normalization of rule by fiat in the process. That traitor took it upon himself to legislate from the bench to change the wording of the law all by his unelected unrepresentative self to "justify" an unjust and unconstitutional law. You expect your enemies to oppose you. Nothing is worse than when an ally stabs you in the back.

What he did was nothing short of lawless. He ignored his own conviction that the law as written was unconstitutional and repeated his self reversal by doing what no judge should ever do in acting as a law maker instead of an adjudicator of the law that is written.

The only way this can be seen as a trap is if you accept his unrepresentative rule by fiat as some kind of slick legal slight of hand check on the legislative process. You have to accept that he had the authority to modify a law from the bench to even get to the "gotcha" moment. It is the death of a Republic.

I have never been so pissed at a government official.

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Interesting. I'll bet he plays chess.
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I hate to disagree so strongly with an American Thinker article, but it is infuriatingly wrong. Judas Roberts betrayed his country and his oath and contributed to the normalization of rule by fiat in the process. That traitor took it upon himself to legislate from the bench to change the wording of the law all by his unelected unrepresentative self to "justify" an unjust and unconstitutional law. You expect your enemies to oppose you. Nothing is worse than when an ally stabs you in the back.

What he did was nothing short of lawless. He ignored his own conviction that the law as written was unconstitutional and repeated his self reversal by doing what no judge should ever do in acting as a law maker instead of an adjudicator of the law that is written.

The only way this can be seen as a trap is if you accept his unrepresentative rule by fiat as some kind of slick legal slight of hand check on the legislative process. You have to accept that he had the authority to modify a law from the bench to even get to the "gotcha" moment. It is the death of a Republic.

I have never been so pissed at a government official.
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This. He sold us out plain and simple. This idea of him being some Machiavellian genius is just outlandish.
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I hate to disagree so strongly with an American Thinker article, but it is infuriatingly wrong. Judas Roberts betrayed his country and his oath and contributed to the normalization of rule by fiat in the process. That traitor took it upon himself to legislate from the bench to change the wording of the law all by his unelected unrepresentative self to "justify" an unjust and unconstitutional law. You expect your enemies to oppose you. Nothing is worse than when an ally stabs you in the back.

What he did was nothing short of lawless. He ignored his own conviction that the law as written was unconstitutional and repeated his self reversal by doing what no judge should ever do in acting as a law maker instead of an adjudicator of the law that is written.

The only way this can be seen as a trap is if you accept his unrepresentative rule by fiat as some kind of slick legal slight of hand check on the legislative process. You have to accept that he had the authority to modify a law from the bench to even get to the "gotcha" moment. It is the death of a Republic.

I have never been so pissed at a government official.
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Agree. Since Roberts ruled it Constitutional as a tax when others ruled it valid under the Commerce Clause, there was no real consensus of opinion at all to uphold it. He should have vacated the decision and remanded for legality on Robert's contention it was a tax, as it was not argued that way before the court. Screw that bastard. Rumor had it he looked pale as death in Court that day, and was blackmailed by NSA spying into the adoption of his kids from Ireland via Central America.

Obama's legacy is already the failure of ObamaCare.
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What trap? What was the enticement into the trap? What did he catch?
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What trap? What was the enticement into the trap? What did he catch?
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Said it was a tax. Taxes can't originate in the Senate. Checkmate.
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Bills of the taxation type must originate in the House to be legal.
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What trap? What was the enticement into the trap? What did he catch?
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Said it was a tax. Taxes can't originate in the Senate. Checkmate.
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The Senate took up a parliamentary trick often used to circumvent the Constitution. They grabbed a House bill, gutted out every word and put in the PPACA.
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I hate to disagree so strongly with an American Thinker article, but it is infuriatingly wrong. Judas Roberts betrayed his country and his oath and contributed to the normalization of rule by fiat in the process. That traitor took it upon himself to legislate from the bench to change the wording of the law all by his unelected unrepresentative self to "justify" an unjust and unconstitutional law. You expect your enemies to oppose you. Nothing is worse than when an ally stabs you in the back.

What he did was nothing short of lawless. He ignored his own conviction that the law as written was unconstitutional and repeated his self reversal by doing what no judge should ever do in acting as a law maker instead of an adjudicator of the law that is written.

The only way this can be seen as a trap is if you accept his unrepresentative rule by fiat as some kind of slick legal slight of hand check on the legislative process. You have to accept that he had the authority to modify a law from the bench to even get to the "gotcha" moment. It is the death of a Republic.

I have never been so pissed at a government official.
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I tend to agree with your analysis for the most part.

I don't think roberts was as prescient or clever as the article maintains.

But here is the thing if roberts had ruled correctly there would be a dem house now, obongo would be the put upon great leader who only wanted to help people and the hildebeast would be a lock for 2016.

Instead it is all unraveling for them.


From the article-
The thing is, however, that the decision has spawned another Great Awakening, because ObamaCare is a civics lesson from hell, with vast implications for America's future. This would not be happening if the law had been squelched in the cradle. People who ordinarily couldn't care less about wonky debates over federal power now see that the law has less to do with insuring the uninsured than with one political party's lunge for unprecedented power and control over people's lives.

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What trap? What was the enticement into the trap? What did he catch?
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Said it was a tax. Taxes can't originate in the Senate. Checkmate.
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Bills of the taxation type must originate in the House to be legal.
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True. But since when did that little thing called the Constitution matter.

Its not a good thing when the a Constitutional Republic ignores.....its Constitution.
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Roberts knew ObamaCare was a Train Wreck.

Now Obama has a disaster on his hands and a 37% approval rating.

We can all see that the U.S. Government is INCOMPETENT.

They can't run a health care business.

Kathleen Sebelius is an idiot.
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When Roberts first did this, I thought that he was giving enough rope to Obama to hang. Remember he had to swear Obama in twice, like his heart just wasn't in it.
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I hate to disagree so strongly with an American Thinker article, but it is infuriatingly wrong. Judas Roberts betrayed his country and his oath and contributed to the normalization of rule by fiat in the process. That traitor took it upon himself to legislate from the bench to change the wording of the law all by his unelected unrepresentative self to "justify" an unjust and unconstitutional law. You expect your enemies to oppose you. Nothing is worse than when an ally stabs you in the back.

What he did was nothing short of lawless. He ignored his own conviction that the law as written was unconstitutional and repeated his self reversal by doing what no judge should ever do in acting as a law maker instead of an adjudicator of the law that is written.

The only way this can be seen as a trap is if you accept his unrepresentative rule by fiat as some kind of slick legal slight of hand check on the legislative process. You have to accept that he had the authority to modify a law from the bench to even get to the "gotcha" moment. It is the death of a Republic.

I have never been so pissed at a government official.
 Quoting: Resister


I tend to agree with your analysis for the most part.

I don't think roberts was as prescient or clever as the article maintains.

But here is the thing if roberts had ruled correctly there would be a dem house now, obongo would be the put upon great leader who only wanted to help people and the hildebeast would be a lock for 2016.

Instead it is all unraveling for them.


From the article-
The thing is, however, that the decision has spawned another Great Awakening, because ObamaCare is a civics lesson from hell, with vast implications for America's future. This would not be happening if the law had been squelched in the cradle. People who ordinarily couldn't care less about wonky debates over federal power now see that the law has less to do with insuring the uninsured than with one political party's lunge for unprecedented power and control over people's lives.

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In 2010, before the law passed, the American people were so pissed a the attempt that millions protested from sea to shining sea about it and showed up at the polls with enough numbers that the House saw a once in a generation 65 seat change. That seemed absolutely awesome until the newly empowered Republican House immediately betrayed the people who put them there in less than a year with a 2 trillion dollar increase in the deficit limit and the creation of an unelected unrepresentative "super committee" to spend it all.

To say that I was completely disillusioned is an understatement. Following that 2011 betrayal and the realization that nothing was going to get by the Senate, the next opportunity for "change" back to a republic rule of law was the 2012 election cycle when the "R" people stabbed us in the back again with the Romney Nomination.

Judas Roberts could have done his job and he didn't. Nothing honorable or strategically admirable about that. IF he thought he was being sly trying to lay some kind of a trap, he was playing Russian Roulette with our Republic form of government and the rule of law and that trigger has already been pulled. Even if it were repealed or ruled unconstitutional in the next few months, the damage is done. The Republic, not to mention the economy, is mortally wounded. He held the gun and he chose to fire instead of hold.
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I think Roberts was blackmailed by some NSA discoveries, and the traitor decided to save his reputation at the cost of our country.

pisses me off that they try to make him an intellectual saint now.

not buying that shit for a moment.
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What trap? What was the enticement into the trap? What did he catch?
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Said it was a tax. Taxes can't originate in the Senate. Checkmate.
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Is it an issue of origination, or is it an issue of approval? If the Senate initiated it and the House approved it, wouldn't that assent/consent be exactly the same as the Congress's delegation of power to administrative agencies, which delegation has been resoundingly approved by the Supreme Court since the first agency was created in 1887 as the Interstate Commerce Commission, of which Thomas M. Cooley was appointed by President Cleveland as its first administrator?
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Well. As an uninformed peasant, this does look like an interesting angle.

But we see little of the real workings of the demi gods that control us.
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It would be nice that if this was the case, but the facts are that barry doesn't give a shit about the constitution. And nobody is going to stop him.

Justice Roberts reacted to the horsehead on his bed!!


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I hate to disagree so strongly with an American Thinker article, but it is infuriatingly wrong. Judas Roberts betrayed his country and his oath and contributed to the normalization of rule by fiat in the process. That traitor took it upon himself to legislate from the bench to change the wording of the law all by his unelected unrepresentative self to "justify" an unjust and unconstitutional law. You expect your enemies to oppose you. Nothing is worse than when an ally stabs you in the back.

What he did was nothing short of lawless. He ignored his own conviction that the law as written was unconstitutional and repeated his self reversal by doing what no judge should ever do in acting as a law maker instead of an adjudicator of the law that is written.

The only way this can be seen as a trap is if you accept his unrepresentative rule by fiat as some kind of slick legal slight of hand check on the legislative process. You have to accept that he had the authority to modify a law from the bench to even get to the "gotcha" moment. It is the death of a Republic.

I have never been so pissed at a government official.
 Quoting: Resister


I tend to agree with your analysis for the most part.

I don't think roberts was as prescient or clever as the article maintains.

But here is the thing if roberts had ruled correctly there would be a dem house now, obongo would be the put upon great leader who only wanted to help people and the hildebeast would be a lock for 2016.

Instead it is all unraveling for them.


From the article-
The thing is, however, that the decision has spawned another Great Awakening, because ObamaCare is a civics lesson from hell, with vast implications for America's future. This would not be happening if the law had been squelched in the cradle. People who ordinarily couldn't care less about wonky debates over federal power now see that the law has less to do with insuring the uninsured than with one political party's lunge for unprecedented power and control over people's lives.

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In 2010, before the law passed, the American people were so pissed a the attempt that millions protested from sea to shining sea about it and showed up at the polls with enough numbers that the House saw a once in a generation 65 seat change. That seemed absolutely awesome until the newly empowered Republican House immediately betrayed the people who put them there in less than a year with a 2 trillion dollar increase in the deficit limit and the creation of an unelected unrepresentative "super committee" to spend it all.

To say that I was completely disillusioned is an understatement. Following that 2011 betrayal and the realization that nothing was going to get by the Senate, the next opportunity for "change" back to a republic rule of law was the 2012 election cycle when the "R" people stabbed us in the back again with the Romney Nomination.

Judas Roberts could have done his job and he didn't. Nothing honorable or strategically admirable about that. IF he thought he was being sly trying to lay some kind of a trap, he was playing Russian Roulette with our Republic form of government and the rule of law and that trigger has already been pulled. Even if it were repealed or ruled unconstitutional in the next few months, the damage is done. The Republic, not to mention the economy, is mortally wounded. He held the gun and he chose to fire instead of hold.
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I agree and I am just as sick about it. The ONLY point I was trying to make is even with the multiple betrayals and lies and corruption of the politicians, the consequences either intended or unintended of bammycare being upheld is a net positive for the reasons cited.

Sickening and small comfort that it has come to that but that is the situation we are in....
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I think Roberts was blackmailed by some NSA discoveries, and the traitor decided to save his reputation at the cost of our country.

pisses me off that they try to make him an intellectual saint now.

not buying that shit for a moment.
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I think you got a good handle on it. The idea of him knowing it would go so bad so fast is a bit implausible.

you don't base Supreme Court rulings on letting someone hit a wall years later.
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We will find out after mid-term elections. If the populace votes those democrats back in, his trap don't mean shit. Again he will say "It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices."
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I think Roberts was blackmailed by some NSA discoveries, and the traitor decided to save his reputation at the cost of our country.

pisses me off that they try to make him an intellectual saint now.

not buying that shit for a moment.
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I think the law of unintended consequences took effect.

Hopefully the Ostupidcare law will sink Zero and the mental defectives known as Democrats.
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Justice Roberts may not have sold us out, like it appears he did, but he may actually be rubbing our noses in it, like the owner of a puppy that just took a dump on the carpet.

January 2, 2014

The Roberts Trap Is Sprung

By Bill Dunne

One of the most overlooked aspects of the year just ended is the vindication of Chief Justice John Roberts -- a vindication that showed up as the national catastrophe known as ObamaCare got rolling. Roberts may have also doomed Hillary Clinton's chance to live in the White House again.


The chief justice, an appointee of President George W. Bush and reputedly a constitutionalist in his jurisprudence, set his diabolical trap (diabolical to Democrats) on June 28, 2012, when he joined with the four liberal justices on the Supreme Court to uphold the constitutionality of ObamaCare. Conservatives and Republicans across the land were apoplectic. But in hindsight, it appears that Roberts actually saved the Republican Party from going into a death spiral and imperiled the Democrats instead. This suggests amazing foresight, but it wouldn't be the only instance.
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"The thing is, however, that the decision has spawned another Great Awakening, because ObamaCare is a civics lesson from hell, with vast implications for America's future. This would not be happening if the law had been squelched in the cradle. People who ordinarily couldn't care less about wonky debates over federal power now see that the law has less to do with insuring the uninsured than with one political party's lunge for unprecedented power and control over people's lives."

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I have been saying saying we are on this timeline for a reason.
A lesson must be learned that would not be learned otherwise.
The sheep must learn.

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Republicans and Democrats are suckers being played off against each other by the oligarchs in power.

The goal appears to be techno-feudalism, with the powers that be on the top.
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Well it seems like for this elaborate trap to work you would need at least two key parts we don't have: an honest media and an intelligent electorate.

Outside of a few instances the media is still trying to turn shit into shinola. People that supported this monstrosity in the face of several warnings will not drop it now that those problems have surfaced. Obamacare will always be great, the problems are caused by evil corporations, republicans, insurance companies, etc.
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What trap? What was the enticement into the trap? What did he catch?
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Said it was a tax. Taxes can't originate in the Senate. Checkmate.
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and that will go absolutely nowhere. Obamacare is here to stay, they tried this with Clinton and it failed. They NEED Obamacare to rob the people of the few pennies they are able to save and dictate the peoples ability to receive health care in their old age - hint, you will get none.

Greed, power and control. They will murder, bribe, blackmail, whatever they have to do to keep their power over us with Obamacare. If they have to drop a nuke, these insane people will do it. They have fought too long and too hard to get this passed.

This story is false hope.

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