5years in prison and/or $250,000 in fines for to coach people into this fabulous obamacare! | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47026337 United States 01/11/2014 07:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm SO broke right now I cannot even afford to buy new tires for my jeep which are only $160 each and bald as a billiard ball in the dead of winter much less the unaffordable care act...not that I would if I could get crapOcare ...just sayin... Quoting: Little Miss Sunshine Tires ain't cheap, buying online at discount tire direct and having them installed at a small shop has saved me money in the past. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 52816637 United States 01/11/2014 07:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm SO broke right now I cannot even afford to buy new tires for my jeep which are only $160 each and bald as a billiard ball in the dead of winter much less the unaffordable care act...not that I would if I could get crapOcare ...just sayin... Quoting: Little Miss Sunshine I spent my Obamacare money on a Sig Sauer M400 assault rifle and ammo. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 52811639 United States 01/11/2014 07:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | REALLY???? Ha,Go fuck yourself you Muslim loving sack of pig shit! I Will never comply!!!!! If you cant see Ovomit is nothing more than a bully Dictator,you never will by now! To pass laws that exempt you and your pals and think that NOBODY is gonna challenge you on it is just about as dumb as having a President who cant prove where is he from and has spent millions to protect his past.. Transparent alright.... From Benghazi to the NSA and all of these staged shootings. Just KNOW we are not as dumb as you think! Quoting: Trepper Peon, Comply or die. Go fuck yourself SHILL Die. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 52811763 United States 01/11/2014 08:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 42 USC § 18115 - Freedom not to participate in Federal health insurance programs Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52767878 No individual, company, business, nonprofit entity, or health insurance issuer offering group or individual health insurance coverage shall be required to participate in any Federal health insurance program created under this Act (or any amendments made by this Act), or in any Federal health insurance program expanded by this Act (or any such amendments), and there shall be no penalty or fine imposed upon any such issuer for choosing not to participate in such programs. People are either missing or misunderstanding this. The word issuer, as in someone who is offering health insurance. In other words, If I own a company and I have signed my company up for medical coverage, I am not required to purchase insurance for myself and am exempted from paying any penalty/fees/taxes because I have offered the issuance of coverage. As an employee, I would not be an issuer of coverage, I would be an issuee. So therefor under that US code as an employee I would be required to get coverage since I would not be the "issuer" or pay a penalty/fee/tax, however the owner/owners and I would include share holders in the same regard since under recognized law a share holder is an owner of a part of a company, would all be exempted from getting coverage and paying a penalty/fees/tax. The rich get a pass while the laborers and unemployed are required to get coverage or pay a penalty/fee/tax. so you think if you buy a few shares of an insurance company you'll be exempt? Precisely, when a company is a publicly traded company/corporation, said company/corporation is owned by the share holders. They hire a CEO/CFO to do what the share holders decide in their meetings. Each share is a part of the company, hence when you own a share in the company you are part owner and therefore under that provision, since you own a portion of the company you are considered an issuer of coverage since you and the other part owners decided to offer coverage to the employees who work for your company. Precisely WRONG is more like it! Everyone here seems to be reading the verbiage of 42 USC § 18115 but after that event takes place, all semblance of reason and comprehension go right out the window. Why is everyone so hung up on the words 'health insurance issuer' when they are ultimately IRRELEVENT when mentioned after the words "individual" and "company" in this sentence? Let's back up a few steps shall we, and re-frame this sentence while leaving out the verbiage that is leading everyone to a false conclusion about what this "United States Code" is actually saying. The descriptor words "business, nonprofit entity, or health insurance issuer offering group or individual health insurance coverage" in this sentence are essentially redundant, unneeded, and confusing because they are only expressing slightly different iterations of the first two exempt items, which are "individuals" and "companies". The words "individual" and "company" can be used interchangeably and synonymously with the words "Business", "nonprofit entity", and "health insurance issuer" in this context because those words are simply describing a general list of exempted entities beginning with "individuals" and "companies". A "health insurance issuer", "nonprofit entity", and "business" are just elaborations of the words "individual" & "company" and therefore are not necessary nor do they provide any more relevant specificity within the context of this description. They are, however, doing a bang up job of confusing people as far as its actual meaning, and I am sure this was quite by design. So, let's re-frame this sentence to a simpler version that eliminates the unnecessary and confusing redundancies and phrase it thusly: No individual or company shall be required to participate in any Federal health insurance program created under this Act (or any amendments made by this Act)... I hope I have dazzled you with brilliance by removing the bullshit placed in this document by lawmakers who specifically designed it’s verbiage to baffle “we the people” and further muddy the understanding of its actual meaning. So, despite the fact that users AC 52767878 and AC 51336755 were very creative in manufacturing lots of technically correct but entirely non-sequitur explanations to falsely convince everyone that only the 'health insurance issuers' are exempt from mandatory compliance with Obama care, upon closer examination we can see that they obviously picked the wrong day to stop smoking crack. :-) K.I.S.S. - Keep It Simple, Stupid! - Something that lawmakers are incapable of doing if they want to continue making "laws" designed to keep an unsuspecting public ignorant of the web of deceit they are now and have been 'weaving' for a long time in order to advance their dark agendas. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 19642196 United States 01/11/2014 08:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yea NO, I'll take none of his shit and back it up with 230grains of lead. Come to my house and get a hole the size of a matza ball in ur chest. I declare myself a sovereign citizen and that's all I need to do. No paperwork because I don't believe or wish to participate in this game. Under God himself I declare Obama go fuck himself! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51978555 Yeah, I am sure that will work out real good for ya. |
thadividedsky User ID: 9669028 United States 01/11/2014 08:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: thadividedsky People are either missing or misunderstanding this. The word issuer, as in someone who is offering health insurance. In other words, If I own a company and I have signed my company up for medical coverage, I am not required to purchase insurance for myself and am exempted from paying any penalty/fees/taxes because I have offered the issuance of coverage. As an employee, I would not be an issuer of coverage, I would be an issuee. So therefor under that US code as an employee I would be required to get coverage since I would not be the "issuer" or pay a penalty/fee/tax, however the owner/owners and I would include share holders in the same regard since under recognized law a share holder is an owner of a part of a company, would all be exempted from getting coverage and paying a penalty/fees/tax. The rich get a pass while the laborers and unemployed are required to get coverage or pay a penalty/fee/tax. so you think if you buy a few shares of an insurance company you'll be exempt? Precisely, when a company is a publicly traded company/corporation, said company/corporation is owned by the share holders. They hire a CEO/CFO to do what the share holders decide in their meetings. Each share is a part of the company, hence when you own a share in the company you are part owner and therefore under that provision, since you own a portion of the company you are considered an issuer of coverage since you and the other part owners decided to offer coverage to the employees who work for your company. Precisely WRONG is more like it! Everyone here seems to be reading the verbiage of 42 USC § 18115 but after that event takes place, all semblance of reason and comprehension go right out the window. Why is everyone so hung up on the words 'health insurance issuer' when they are ultimately IRRELEVENT when mentioned after the words "individual" and "company" in this sentence? Let's back up a few steps shall we, and re-frame this sentence while leaving out the verbiage that is leading everyone to a false conclusion about what this "United States Code" is actually saying. The descriptor words "business, nonprofit entity, or health insurance issuer offering group or individual health insurance coverage" in this sentence are essentially redundant, unneeded, and confusing because they are only expressing slightly different iterations of the first two exempt items, which are "individuals" and "companies". The words "individual" and "company" can be used interchangeably and synonymously with the words "Business", "nonprofit entity", and "health insurance issuer" in this context because those words are simply describing a general list of exempted entities beginning with "individuals" and "companies". A "health insurance issuer", "nonprofit entity", and "business" are just elaborations of the words "individual" & "company" and therefore are not necessary nor do they provide any more relevant specificity within the context of this description. They are, however, doing a bang up job of confusing people as far as its actual meaning, and I am sure this was quite by design. So, let's re-frame this sentence to a simpler version that eliminates the unnecessary and confusing redundancies and phrase it thusly: No individual or company shall be required to participate in any Federal health insurance program created under this Act (or any amendments made by this Act)... I hope I have dazzled you with brilliance by removing the bullshit placed in this document by lawmakers who specifically designed it’s verbiage to baffle “we the people” and further muddy the understanding of its actual meaning. So, despite the fact that users AC 52767878 and AC 51336755 were very creative in manufacturing lots of technically correct but entirely non-sequitur explanations to falsely convince everyone that only the 'health insurance issuers' are exempt from mandatory compliance with Obama care, upon closer examination we can see that they obviously picked the wrong day to stop smoking crack. :-) K.I.S.S. - Keep It Simple, Stupid! - Something that lawmakers are incapable of doing if they want to continue making "laws" designed to keep an unsuspecting public ignorant of the web of deceit they are now and have been 'weaving' for a long time in order to advance their dark agendas. So please, tell me how does an individual offer him/herself coverage? You're ignoring the whole law and in a court of law the entirety of the verbiage is used, you can't pick and choose phrases or sentences. A self employed individual who employs others can offer insurance coverage and be exempt from the law because of the simple fact he offers said coverage. So again please, do tell how an unemployed person and a non self-employed person can up and offer themselves coverage so they can avoid the ACA mandate and the tax? |
NotaNonviolentNegro (OP) User ID: 43920905 United States 01/11/2014 09:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks all Not a Nonviolent Negro Thread: I called it! UPDATE-How can we let them get away with this SHIT! |
s. d. butler User ID: 974819 United States 01/12/2014 02:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yea NO, I'll take none of his shit and back it up with 230grains of lead. Come to my house and get a hole the size of a matza ball in ur chest. I declare myself a sovereign citizen and that's all I need to do. No paperwork because I don't believe or wish to participate in this game. Under God himself I declare Obama go fuck himself! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51978555 Yeah, I am sure that will work out real good for ya. Well now, you wouldn't know just how well that would "work out " would you ? Last Edited by s. d. butler on 01/12/2014 02:33 AM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 18009664 United States 01/12/2014 09:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Double fence Republican (appointed by G. Bush) SCOTUS Judge Roberts made it a 'tax' so the IRS could be 'authorized' (sarc) to collect it from YOUR earnings via your income tax reporting. It is an insurance company bailout. Why? Because if you look at the new premiums the insurance companies are now charging 2x's MORE COST than the previous premiums before 1/1/2014. That alone should be criminal. 100% increase for F. WHAT? They have us over a barrel and are laughing to the bank and .gov is the enforcer. The insurance companies are making out like thieves on the ACA. THIEVES. And, the IRS/.gov is enforcing their theft. It's like a bounty hunter. The bondsman (Insurance Co) gets the person paying the large premiums in the bag and the IRS makes $, too by enforcing/collecting if the person who is supposed to be insured refuses, but is later collected on via 'tax' confiscation via your income tax filing. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 18009664 United States 01/12/2014 09:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Double fence Republican (appointed by G. Bush) SCOTUS Judge Roberts made it a 'tax' so the IRS could be 'authorized' (sarc) to collect it from YOUR earnings via your income tax reporting. It is an insurance company bailout. Why? Because if you look at the new premiums the insurance companies are now charging 2x's MORE COST than the previous premiums before 1/1/2014. That alone should be criminal. 100% increase for F. WHAT? They have us over a barrel and are laughing to the bank and .gov is the enforcer. The insurance companies are making out like thieves on the ACA. THIEVES. And, the IRS/.gov is enforcing their theft. It's like a bounty hunter. The bondsman (Insurance Co) gets the person paying the large premiums in the bag and the IRS makes $, too by enforcing/collecting if the person who is supposed to be insured refuses, but is later collected on via 'tax' confiscation via your income tax filing. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18009664 AND, have access to your bank account for the Federal Govt Bailout such that Cyprus experienced. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 50336153 United States 01/12/2014 05:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | REALLY???? Ha,Go fuck yourself you Muslim loving sack of pig shit! I Will never comply!!!!! If you cant see Ovomit is nothing more than a bully Dictator,you never will by now! To pass laws that exempt you and your pals and think that NOBODY is gonna challenge you on it is just about as dumb as having a President who cant prove where is he from and has spent millions to protect his past.. Transparent alright.... From Benghazi to the NSA and all of these staged shootings. Just KNOW we are not as dumb as you think! Quoting: Trepper Peon, Comply or die. Go fuck yourself SHILL Die. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 51967606 United States 01/12/2014 06:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm SO broke right now I cannot even afford to buy new tires for my jeep which are only $160 each and bald as a billiard ball in the dead of winter much less the unaffordable care act...not that I would if I could get crapOcare ...just sayin... Quoting: Little Miss Sunshine Tires ain't cheap, buying online at discount tire direct and having them installed at a small shop has saved me money in the past. Buy them on line? Right. What part of he "can't afford them" is it you don't understand? Like you think the Money Fairy is going to shit him 500 bucks? Oh wait - I know maybe he can just sell one of his kidneys 'on line' for the scratch...... And if he sells the other one too maybe he can come up with Obalmies 15 FUCKING grand. |