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If poor people don't contribute to the economy at all, why do we still keep them alive?

 
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Jesus' instruction to this one specific young man was because He knew that the heart of this young man was not yet His, and the ONE THING that this particular person needed to do to make Jesus His Lord and become His disciple.
He wrote one of the gospels!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52708566


Sure, take up your cross, and don't forget your bags of loot, and follow me to the strip club.
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Not a matter of being rich versus poor. Most of us will never be "rich" in the world's material things...the important issue is to be RESPONSIBLE, ACCOUNTABLE, PRODUCTIVE AND TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN RESPONSIBILITIES...not to be leeches off other people...that is robbery.
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Oh, leeches eh.

Like being so spiritually bankrupt, you espouse someone else's life of selflessness as a reason to only be moderately selfless yourself?
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Why would Brief be a Christian, Jesus was actually pretty wealthy, how can a wealthy righteous person die...
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This post makes no sense at all.
Nevertheless, Jesus owns the world and everything in it--He came to earth for the purpose of dying for you and me, to cover our sins when we make Him Lord of our life....when we are "sold out" for Him. He will soon return as King of King and Lord of Lords...He created the universe and owns all of creation.
Whether Brief is a Christian or not, he sounds like a responsible productive person who carries his weight. that is a form of righteousness....and a righteous man is far closer to the kingdom of God than an unrighteous one.

If you had any meaning to your question, it eludes me, but Jesus set aside His wealth for His eartly sojourn...He was a lowly carpenter, who could have owned the riches of the world in His human form....since everything belongs to Him anyway. He set that aside to die on His blood drenched Cross for our sins, to rise on the 3rd day and to be the covering for all of our transgressions.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52708566


:face_irrelephant:

Yes, I know Jesus die, so I get rich on telling story of Jesus dying.

Well then it stands to reckon, that Jesus coming back alive, means, GIVE IT ALL BACK TO GET JUDGED.

Remember the talent parable...
 Quoting: The Impaler




I'm not the one who brought up the "irrelevant" subject.... I was just responding to an erroneous, nonsensical post.
Just trying to contribute here

Yes, the talent parable is exactly what we've been discussing----- The Lord wants us all to be good stewards...the be responsible in managing our finances and to pay our own way.
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Re: If poor people don't contribute to the economy at all, why do we still keep them alive?
I don't get it.

Poor people hardly earn enough in their lifetimes to contribute to consumerist economy, let alone government taxes.

They sure don't create jobs.

And yet the government spends billions to keep millions of people alive on welfare.

Why keep them alive in misery for the rest of their lives?

Wouldnt it be more humane if we just eliminated the poor from the face of the earth?
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the compassion of a cobra. The devil would agree with you.
Worry is a misuse of the imagination.
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Re: If poor people don't contribute to the economy at all, why do we still keep them alive?
Not a matter of being rich versus poor. Most of us will never be "rich" in the world's material things...the important issue is to be RESPONSIBLE, ACCOUNTABLE, PRODUCTIVE AND TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN RESPONSIBILITIES...not to be leeches off other people...that is robbery.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52708566


Oh, leeches eh.

Like being so spiritually bankrupt, you espouse someone else's life of selflessness as a reason to only be moderately selfless yourself?
 Quoting: The Impaler




Selflessness....you make no sense.
To leech off others is pure selfishness and robbery.
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Why would Brief be a Christian, Jesus was actually pretty wealthy, how can a wealthy righteous person die...
 Quoting: The Impaler



This post makes no sense at all.
Nevertheless, Jesus owns the world and everything in it--He came to earth for the purpose of dying for you and me, to cover our sins when we make Him Lord of our life....when we are "sold out" for Him. He will soon return as King of King and Lord of Lords...He created the universe and owns all of creation.
Whether Brief is a Christian or not, he sounds like a responsible productive person who carries his weight. that is a form of righteousness....and a righteous man is far closer to the kingdom of God than an unrighteous one.

If you had any meaning to your question, it eludes me, but Jesus set aside His wealth for His eartly sojourn...He was a lowly carpenter, who could have owned the riches of the world in His human form....since everything belongs to Him anyway. He set that aside to die on His blood drenched Cross for our sins, to rise on the 3rd day and to be the covering for all of our transgressions.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52708566


:face_irrelephant:

Yes, I know Jesus die, so I get rich on telling story of Jesus dying.

Well then it stands to reckon, that Jesus coming back alive, means, GIVE IT ALL BACK TO GET JUDGED.

Remember the talent parable...
 Quoting: The Impaler




I'm not the one who brought up the "irrelevant" subject.... I was just responding to an erroneous, nonsensical post.
Just trying to contribute here

Yes, the talent parable is exactly what we've been discussing----- The Lord wants us all to be good stewards...the be responsible in managing our finances and to pay our own way.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52708566


You wish, you read it as a question where there was no question mark.

I think that just about sums up the idea of Christianity and keeping riches in a nutshell.

Wouldn't you agree(?)
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Jesus' instruction to this one specific young man was because He knew that the heart of this young man was not yet His, and the ONE THING that this particular person needed to do to make Jesus His Lord and become His disciple.
He wrote one of the gospels!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52708566


Sure, take up your cross, and don't forget your bags of loot, and follow me to the strip club.
 Quoting: The Impaler




Are you crazy? You make no sense.
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Selflessness....you make no sense.
To leech off others is pure selfishness and robbery.
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Yet to leech off of bigger leeches, is the way of the leech, and could only be taught by the bigger leeches to the smaller.

Bloodsucking being something I know well.
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This post makes no sense at all.
Nevertheless, Jesus owns the world and everything in it--He came to earth for the purpose of dying for you and me, to cover our sins when we make Him Lord of our life....when we are "sold out" for Him. He will soon return as King of King and Lord of Lords...He created the universe and owns all of creation.
Whether Brief is a Christian or not, he sounds like a responsible productive person who carries his weight. that is a form of righteousness....and a righteous man is far closer to the kingdom of God than an unrighteous one.

If you had any meaning to your question, it eludes me, but Jesus set aside His wealth for His eartly sojourn...He was a lowly carpenter, who could have owned the riches of the world in His human form....since everything belongs to Him anyway. He set that aside to die on His blood drenched Cross for our sins, to rise on the 3rd day and to be the covering for all of our transgressions.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52708566


:face_irrelephant:

Yes, I know Jesus die, so I get rich on telling story of Jesus dying.

Well then it stands to reckon, that Jesus coming back alive, means, GIVE IT ALL BACK TO GET JUDGED.

Remember the talent parable...
 Quoting: The Impaler




I'm not the one who brought up the "irrelevant" subject.... I was just responding to an erroneous, nonsensical post.
Just trying to contribute here

Yes, the talent parable is exactly what we've been discussing----- The Lord wants us all to be good stewards...the be responsible in managing our finances and to pay our own way.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52708566


You wish, you read it as a question where there was no question mark.

I think that just about sums up the idea of Christianity and keeping riches in a nutshell.

Wouldn't you agree(?)
 Quoting: The Impaler




From your posts, I have determined that you and I would never agree on anything. Adios
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Matthew 19:21-24

Jesus said unto him, if thou will be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor,and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. But when the young man heard that saying, went away sorrowful for he had Great possessions. Then Jesus said unto his disciples, verily I say onto you, a rich man shall HARDLY enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.

This life is not about gaining material wealth, in fact the Lord speaks just the opposite. So go ahead and keep telling yourself God wants me to have money to help others and my family. Behold the prophets and disciples had nothing and most of you would be calling them all sorts of names like deadbeats, losers, etc. God will take care of those who trust and follow him to the end. Most of you accusers of your poor fellow humans will never give up their earthly possessions. The message Jesus said 2000 years ago still rings true today......give up everything and follow me. At least you cannot stand before God on judgement and give an account you were ignorant. The truth is in the Word, but most people only like focusing on their perceptions and not actually fact in the Word of the Most High God.
 Quoting: Silverfinger 48152706



Ok, you grab a verse out of the Bible...in this case an instruction to a young man (probably Mark....who did later follow him to the end,...but that's a long, long story)...it was an instruction to a PARTICULAR, SPECIFIC person, because Jesus was God and knew the young man's heart. It was not an instruction for everyone. If you would take the Scriptures as a whole, you would realize that. Many of Jesus' followers were wealthy.....degree of wealth is not the issue. Luke specifically, the person Jesus was talking to, I believe and there are good reasons for that belief...later did "give up" everything (even though his family continued to be rich and followed Jesus) probably was the follower covered only by a sheet, when Jesus was arrested!).... he gave up even the clothes off his back when He finally decided Jesus was Lord!....
Jesus does not call for us to give up everything. He wants us to let go of the importance of the world and make Him our Number One, most important thing in life. If we give up everything, then we cannot take care of ourselves and will be a burden on others....which if you will search the Scriptures, clearly God does not want.

Jesus' instruction to this one specific young man was because He knew that the heart of this young man was not yet His, and the ONE THING that this particular person needed to do to make Jesus His Lord and become His disciple.
He wrote one of the gospels!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52708566

NOT ME, NOT ME. He told you the love of money is the root of evil and you say the lesson was for one long gone and forgotten. The admonition is for you and the rest of us.
Worry is a misuse of the imagination.
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Are you crazy? You make no sense.
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Ok, how is this for you.


If I have money, and you do not, it is because I am worthy and you are not.

And if I ever lose my money, I lose my reason and justification to live.
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No, he didn't manage HIS OWN wealth. IF he had dumped it he could have had God's wealth too.

Jesus laid down his life because he could take it up again, if the wealthy are so smart and deserve what they have, then they should have no problem getting it all back.
 Quoting: The Impaler


That's right, I give my wealth away all the time and it keeps coming back...
 Quoting: BRIEF


just as long as the arent brown or black
 Quoting: Oyster


I didn't ask color the year I gave to the girl with leukemia, although I don't recall you participating in that fund raiser either...

Nor did I ask color when I bought a water heater for a Canadian GLP'er that same Christmas, and still didn't see you around to help.

I can give more examples if you like.
 Quoting: BRIEF


"For if you love those who love you, what reward will you have? Don't even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet your brothers, what are you doing out of the ordinary? Don't even the Gentiles do the same?" Matthew 5:45 46

Even the wicked look after their own. As much as you hate the "muzzies" BRIEF, you never seem to realize that you're cut from the same cloth as the worse extremist, just born into a different culture; you'd make a perfect Taliban or a perfect Nazi given the context. You have no regard what so ever for The Other, and that is what fuels all atrocities committed by mankind.

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The economy exists to serve the people, not the other way round. The poor contribute to the economy every time they buy anything, just like everyone else.
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This post makes no sense at all.
Nevertheless, Jesus owns the world and everything in it--He came to earth for the purpose of dying for you and me, to cover our sins when we make Him Lord of our life....when we are "sold out" for Him. He will soon return as King of King and Lord of Lords...He created the universe and owns all of creation.
Whether Brief is a Christian or not, he sounds like a responsible productive person who carries his weight. that is a form of righteousness....and a righteous man is far closer to the kingdom of God than an unrighteous one.

If you had any meaning to your question, it eludes me, but Jesus set aside His wealth for His eartly sojourn...He was a lowly carpenter, who could have owned the riches of the world in His human form....since everything belongs to Him anyway. He set that aside to die on His blood drenched Cross for our sins, to rise on the 3rd day and to be the covering for all of our transgressions.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52708566


face_irrelephant

Yes, I know Jesus die, so I get rich on telling story of Jesus dying.

Well then it stands to reckon, that Jesus coming back alive, means, GIVE IT ALL BACK TO GET JUDGED.

Remember the talent parable...
 Quoting: The Impaler




I'm not the one who brought up the "irrelevant" subject.... I was just responding to an erroneous, nonsensical post.
Just trying to contribute here

Yes, the talent parable is exactly what we've been discussing----- The Lord wants us all to be good stewards...the be responsible in managing our finances and to pay our own way.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52708566


You wish, you read it as a question where there was no question mark.

I think that just about sums up the idea of Christianity and keeping riches in a nutshell.

Wouldn't you agree(?)
 Quoting: The Impaler


I'd agree you need an exorcism. That unclean spirit is behind the prosperity cult.
Worry is a misuse of the imagination.
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Re: If poor people don't contribute to the economy at all, why do we still keep them alive?
The economy exists to serve the people, not the other way round. The poor contribute to the economy every time they buy anything, just like everyone else.
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If you think money brought you into being, and money justifies that being, then all you are really saying, is that your mother was a whore...
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Brief is a troll, why does anyone even pay attention to him, obviously he is doing it to get a reaction out of people.
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of course, so why even post this? Ignore me please, my message is not for you.
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Oh, silly me! and throughout this thread, I thought it was Oyster and Impaler who are the trolls! Black is white, up is down in this world!
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Selflessness....you make no sense.
To leech off others is pure selfishness and robbery.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52708566


Yet to leech off of bigger leeches, is the way of the leech, and could only be taught by the bigger leeches to the smaller.

Bloodsucking being something I know well.
 Quoting: The Impaler




Obviously, one thing at which you're an expert
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Matthew 19:21-24

Jesus said unto him, if thou will be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor,and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. But when the young man heard that saying, went away sorrowful for he had Great possessions. Then Jesus said unto his disciples, verily I say onto you, a rich man shall HARDLY enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.

This life is not about gaining material wealth, in fact the Lord speaks just the opposite. So go ahead and keep telling yourself God wants me to have money to help others and my family. Behold the prophets and disciples had nothing and most of you would be calling them all sorts of names like deadbeats, losers, etc. God will take care of those who trust and follow him to the end. Most of you accusers of your poor fellow humans will never give up their earthly possessions. The message Jesus said 2000 years ago still rings true today......give up everything and follow me. At least you cannot stand before God on judgement and give an account you were ignorant. The truth is in the Word, but most people only like focusing on their perceptions and not actually fact in the Word of the Most High God.
 Quoting: Silverfinger 48152706




Ok, you grab a verse out of the Bible...in this case an instruction to a young man (probably Mark....who did later follow him to the end,...but that's a long, long story)...it was an instruction to a PARTICULAR, SPECIFIC person, because Jesus was God and knew the young man's heart. It was not an instruction for everyone. If you would take the Scriptures as a whole, you would realize that. Many of Jesus' followers were wealthy.....degree of wealth is not the issue. Luke specifically, the person Jesus was talking to, I believe and there are good reasons for that belief...later did "give up" everything (even though his family continued to be rich and followed Jesus) probably was the follower covered only by a sheet, when Jesus was arrested!).... he gave up even the clothes off his back when He finally decided Jesus was Lord!....
Jesus does not call for us to give up everything. He wants us to let go of the importance of the world and make Him our Number One, most important thing in life. If we give up everything, then we cannot take care of ourselves and will be a burden on others....which if you will search the Scriptures, clearly God does not want.

Jesus' instruction to this one specific young man was because He knew that the heart of this young man was not yet His, and the ONE THING that this particular person needed to do to make Jesus His Lord and become His disciple.
He wrote one of the gospels!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52708566

NOT ME, NOT ME. He told you the love of money is the root of evil and you say the lesson was for one long gone and forgotten. The admonition is for you and the rest of us.
 Quoting: Kirk




You've switched verses on us here. this one was not mentioned before. That's a whole different ball game.
The LOVE of money is the root of evil... Agreed. But I doubt that you understand it, since so far, your understanding is nil.. That is a different subject than being responsible and accountable with money! The lesson is not long gone, nor forgotten. Just don't switch horses in the middle of the stream.
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Are you crazy? You make no sense.
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Ok, how is this for you.


If I have money, and you do not, it is because I am worthy and you are not.

And if I ever lose my money, I lose my reason and justification to live.
 Quoting: The Impaler


seems like you have already lost reason.
Worry is a misuse of the imagination.
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Re: If poor people don't contribute to the economy at all, why do we still keep them alive?
Not a matter of being rich versus poor. Most of us will never be "rich" in the world's material things...the important issue is to be RESPONSIBLE, ACCOUNTABLE, PRODUCTIVE AND TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN RESPONSIBILITIES...not to be leeches off other people...that is robbery.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52708566


Oh, leeches eh.

Like being so spiritually bankrupt, you espouse someone else's life of selflessness as a reason to only be moderately selfless yourself?
 Quoting: The Impaler




Selflessness....you make no sense.
To leech off others is pure selfishness and robbery.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52708566


Have you read the parable about Lazarus the leech and the rich man?

“There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’ Luke 16:19-31

“Then the King will turn to those on the left and say, ‘Away with you, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his demons. For I was hungry, and you didn’t feed me. I was thirsty, and you didn’t give me a drink. I was a stranger, and you didn’t invite me into your home. I was naked, and you didn’t give me clothing. I was sick and in prison, and you didn’t visit me.’
“Then they will reply, ‘Lord, when did we ever see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and not help you?’
“And he will answer, ‘I tell you the truth, when you refused to help the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were refusing to help me.’ “And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous will go into eternal life.” Matthew 25:41-46

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Are you crazy? You make no sense.
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Ok, how is this for you.


If I have money, and you do not, it is because I am worthy and you are not.

And if I ever lose my money, I lose my reason and justification to live.
 Quoting: The Impaler




That was in NO WAY even implied by me. You really twist things.
You know, if I were a betting person, I would bet from the content of your posts that you do not work, do not want to work and are a parasite on others in some fashion.

Good luck to you. You really, really need a relationship with God, our Creator Lord.
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Matthew 19:21-24

Jesus said unto him, if thou will be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor,and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. But when the young man heard that saying, went away sorrowful for he had Great possessions. Then Jesus said unto his disciples, verily I say onto you, a rich man shall HARDLY enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.

This life is not about gaining material wealth, in fact the Lord speaks just the opposite. So go ahead and keep telling yourself God wants me to have money to help others and my family. Behold the prophets and disciples had nothing and most of you would be calling them all sorts of names like deadbeats, losers, etc. God will take care of those who trust and follow him to the end. Most of you accusers of your poor fellow humans will never give up their earthly possessions. The message Jesus said 2000 years ago still rings true today......give up everything and follow me. At least you cannot stand before God on judgement and give an account you were ignorant. The truth is in the Word, but most people only like focusing on their perceptions and not actually fact in the Word of the Most High God.
 Quoting: Silverfinger 48152706




Ok, you grab a verse out of the Bible...in this case an instruction to a young man (probably Mark....who did later follow him to the end,...but that's a long, long story)...it was an instruction to a PARTICULAR, SPECIFIC person, because Jesus was God and knew the young man's heart. It was not an instruction for everyone. If you would take the Scriptures as a whole, you would realize that. Many of Jesus' followers were wealthy.....degree of wealth is not the issue. Luke specifically, the person Jesus was talking to, I believe and there are good reasons for that belief...later did "give up" everything (even though his family continued to be rich and followed Jesus) probably was the follower covered only by a sheet, when Jesus was arrested!).... he gave up even the clothes off his back when He finally decided Jesus was Lord!....
Jesus does not call for us to give up everything. He wants us to let go of the importance of the world and make Him our Number One, most important thing in life. If we give up everything, then we cannot take care of ourselves and will be a burden on others....which if you will search the Scriptures, clearly God does not want.

Jesus' instruction to this one specific young man was because He knew that the heart of this young man was not yet His, and the ONE THING that this particular person needed to do to make Jesus His Lord and become His disciple.
He wrote one of the gospels!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52708566

NOT ME, NOT ME. He told you the love of money is the root of evil and you say the lesson was for one long gone and forgotten. The admonition is for you and the rest of us.
 Quoting: Kirk




You've switched verses on us here. this one was not mentioned before. That's a whole different ball game.
The LOVE of money is the root of evil... Agreed. But I doubt that you understand it, since so far, your understanding is nil.. That is a different subject than being responsible and accountable with money! The lesson is not long gone, nor forgotten. Just don't switch horses in the middle of the stream.
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accountable is far different from those who dedicate themselves to lucre. Like wall street, are they about being responsible? this country worships Mammon and then wants to deny the obvious. Mammon drinks the childrens blood.
Worry is a misuse of the imagination.
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Re: If poor people don't contribute to the economy at all, why do we still keep them alive?
Are you crazy? You make no sense.
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Ok, how is this for you.


If I have money, and you do not, it is because I am worthy and you are not.

And if I ever lose my money, I lose my reason and justification to live.
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That was in NO WAY even implied by me. You really twist things.
You know, if I were a betting person, I would bet from the content of your posts that you do not work, do not want to work and are a parasite on others in some fashion.

Good luck to you. You really, really need a relationship with God, our Creator Lord.
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You wouldn't know God if he farted in your general direction.
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Re: If poor people don't contribute to the economy at all, why do we still keep them alive?
Due to lack of reading comprehension by most posters, it is safe to assume that by the responses in this thread, people think money, whether good or bad, should always have the same result in the hands of any particular person.

i.e., If you don't use money the way I say, you deserve to have less than I have.

I think that can be arranged folks, I definitely think that can be arranged.
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Re: If poor people don't contribute to the economy at all, why do we still keep them alive?
Not a matter of being rich versus poor. Most of us will never be "rich" in the world's material things...the important issue is to be RESPONSIBLE, ACCOUNTABLE, PRODUCTIVE AND TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN RESPONSIBILITIES...not to be leeches off other people...that is robbery.
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Oh, leeches eh.

Like being so spiritually bankrupt, you espouse someone else's life of selflessness as a reason to only be moderately selfless yourself?
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Selflessness....you make no sense.
To leech off others is pure selfishness and robbery.
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Have you read the parable about Lazarus the leech and the rich man?

“Then the King will turn to those on the left and say, ‘Away with you, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his demons. For I was hungry, and you didn’t feed me. I was thirsty, and you didn’t give me a drink. I was a stranger, and you didn’t invite me into your home. I was naked, and you didn’t give me clothing. I was sick and in prison, and you didn’t visit me.’
“Then they will reply, ‘Lord, when did we ever see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and not help you?’
“And he will answer, ‘I tell you the truth, when you refused to help the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were refusing to help me.’ “And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous will go into eternal life.” Matthew 25:41-46
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I know that story, probably better than you. My point is that the able bodied, those who are capable, SHOULD be responsible for themselves. There are people in need of help, and we are to help those....but those who are ABLE are to be responsible, productive and accountable and not leech off others. As I have repeatedly said, take the bible as a whole...don't just jerk out a verse here and there without understanding the context with which it was given.
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Re: If poor people don't contribute to the economy at all, why do we still keep them alive?
Unless there's something else to be exploited from the poor by the elite, which is not materialistic...but more occult related...?

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Votes, and the threat of mob violence are both very real benefits which TPTB enjoy by keeping many millions of poor "pets" on a welfare leash.

I'm not saying I agree; I'm saying that this is their attitude and purpose for doing so...
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YOU, and only YOU are responsible for maintaining the balance of power between you and the rest of the semi-sentient beings in this world. You cannot disclaim or delegate that responsibility; it is a function of being a living, breathing "adult" in this world. If you can't manage yourself on those terms, someone else *will* manage you on their terms. Your terms are irrelevant. Buy a rifle; prepare to defend yourself. If you don't, what happens is *your* fault. Period.
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Ok, you grab a verse out of the Bible...in this case an instruction to a young man (probably Mark....who did later follow him to the end,...but that's a long, long story)...it was an instruction to a PARTICULAR, SPECIFIC person, because Jesus was God and knew the young man's heart. It was not an instruction for everyone. If you would take the Scriptures as a whole, you would realize that. Many of Jesus' followers were wealthy.....degree of wealth is not the issue. Luke specifically, the person Jesus was talking to, I believe and there are good reasons for that belief...later did "give up" everything (even though his family continued to be rich and followed Jesus) probably was the follower covered only by a sheet, when Jesus was arrested!).... he gave up even the clothes off his back when He finally decided Jesus was Lord!....
Jesus does not call for us to give up everything. He wants us to let go of the importance of the world and make Him our Number One, most important thing in life. If we give up everything, then we cannot take care of ourselves and will be a burden on others....which if you will search the Scriptures, clearly God does not want.

Jesus' instruction to this one specific young man was because He knew that the heart of this young man was not yet His, and the ONE THING that this particular person needed to do to make Jesus His Lord and become His disciple.
He wrote one of the gospels!
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NOT ME, NOT ME. He told you the love of money is the root of evil and you say the lesson was for one long gone and forgotten. The admonition is for you and the rest of us.
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You've switched verses on us here. this one was not mentioned before. That's a whole different ball game.
The LOVE of money is the root of evil... Agreed. But I doubt that you understand it, since so far, your understanding is nil.. That is a different subject than being responsible and accountable with money! The lesson is not long gone, nor forgotten. Just don't switch horses in the middle of the stream.
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accountable is far different from those who dedicate themselves to lucre. Like wall street, are they about being responsible? this country worships Mammon and then wants to deny the obvious. Mammon drinks the childrens blood.
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Financial accountability and responsibility is Biblical, and it is a far cry from usury, corruption and getting wealthy at the expense of others.
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Re: If poor people don't contribute to the economy at all, why do we still keep them alive?
The economy exists to serve the people, not the other way round. The poor contribute to the economy every time they buy anything, just like everyone else.
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If you think money brought you into being, and money justifies that being, then all you are really saying, is that your mother was a whore...
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Money exists only in our heads. It's just an accounting tool to keep track of goods, services and labor.
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Re: If poor people don't contribute to the economy at all, why do we still keep them alive?
pay us "poor people" more money and then will spend more money...

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