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If poor people don't contribute to the economy at all, why do we still keep them alive?

 
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Re: If poor people don't contribute to the economy at all, why do we still keep them alive?
You have to define poor which if you are not careful will lead to abuse. I find fault with those who choose not to work. I don't fault those who are disabled either temporarily or permanently. For some being poor is temporary so we can't fault everyone we say is poor. We don't force people to take training programs to at least be partially self sufficient. Some people aren't able to work in a job that pays enough money to house themselves so they need help.
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Do understand you are considered one of the useless...
1. MAINTAIN HUMANITY UNDER 500,000,000 IN PERPETUAL BALANCE WITH NATURE
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^^^THIS^^^ There is more to life than the economy, Actually Fuck the Economy!!! Just the basic act of living is truely amazing! Move to the country, grow some food, take care of yourself and have a good time. Forget about the economy unless its buying eggs or something from your neighbors. Just remember (OP) They are coming for you to, you are not anything special to them. YOU are also a useless eater. So get over yourself and FUCK THE ECONOMY!!!
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Re: If poor people don't contribute to the economy at all, why do we still keep them alive?
The working poor benefit us by cleaning the toilets and bring us coffee, but those on welfare need a needle in the arm and the housing projects need to be demolished.
 Quoting: BRIEF


I remember the first time I saw public housing in the early 80s.
GovCo built a really nice neighborhood for these people. Within a year, at least half of the units had boarded windows.
Was amazing to drive by every few weeks and see the deterioration.
 Quoting: Zetetic


They do the same with houses zoned for section 8, the welfare scum just destroy them.
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At one point they tried to keep Section 8 corralled around here.
Then it was decided it was unfair to make them live in the substandard conditions they created, and then extended housing into the expensive subdivisions.
Nothing like helping property value.
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Re: If poor people don't contribute to the economy at all, why do we still keep them alive?
The working poor benefit us by cleaning the toilets and bring us coffee, but those on welfare need a needle in the arm and the housing projects need to be demolished.
 Quoting: BRIEF


I remember the first time I saw public housing in the early 80s.
GovCo built a really nice neighborhood for these people. Within a year, at least half of the units had boarded windows.
Was amazing to drive by every few weeks and see the deterioration.
 Quoting: Zetetic


They do the same with houses zoned for section 8, the welfare scum just destroy them.
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Brief your unemployed and need a good slap bet your ma still wiping your arse twat.
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01/09/2014 07:46 AM
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Re: If poor people don't contribute to the economy at all, why do we still keep them alive?
With the rise of automation, soon people won't be needed at all.
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Re: If poor people don't contribute to the economy at all, why do we still keep them alive?
The working poor benefit us by cleaning the toilets and bring us coffee, but those on welfare need a needle in the arm and the housing projects need to be demolished.
 Quoting: BRIEF


I remember the first time I saw public housing in the early 80s.
GovCo built a really nice neighborhood for these people. Within a year, at least half of the units had boarded windows.
Was amazing to drive by every few weeks and see the deterioration.
 Quoting: Zetetic


They do the same with houses zoned for section 8, the welfare scum just destroy them.
 Quoting: BRIEF


Brief your unemployed and need a good slap bet your ma still wiping your arse twat.
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hesright
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Re: If poor people don't contribute to the economy at all, why do we still keep them alive?
Not everybody wants to live in a housing unit.
Some people are better suited to a nomadic hunter gatherer lifestyle. (eg, Australian aboriginals, Gypsies etc) yet they are literally forced into housing estate blocks. Very much against their will. All because they are much tidier and easier to manage by the TPTB if they are 'contained'.
No wonder they trash the places.
Think about it.
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Re: If poor people don't contribute to the economy at all, why do we still keep them alive?
Not everybody wants to live in a housing unit.
Some people are better suited to a nomadic hunter gatherer lifestyle. (eg, Australian aboriginals, Gypsies etc) yet they are literally forced into housing estate blocks. Very much against their will. All because they are much tidier and easier to manage by the TPTB if they are 'contained'.
No wonder they trash the places.
Think about it.
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Or...they're just stupid fuckers. No excuse to trash things. No excuse at all.
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Re: If poor people don't contribute to the economy at all, why do we still keep them alive?
fuck off commie
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What he said wasn't commie, but fascist, the end product of capitalism. Which is where we are headed.
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Communism and fascism go hand in hand, after all the working people that have the fruit of their labor stolen from them need to be oppressed or they stop working or leave. Capitalism on the other hand is freedom. You get to keep what you work for and are free to do with it how you please. You little piece of communist/fascist shit.
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Re: If poor people don't contribute to the economy at all, why do we still keep them alive?
The real question is
WHAT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO STOP THEM FROM USING THE PLANET AS THEY WISH?

These answers are stupid answers:
1.) Because I said so
2.) Because of pre-existing societal constructs
3.) Because of personal incredulity (fallacy)
4.) Because argumentum ad populum (fallacy)

These answers are smart answers:
The system isn't working because the current system denies:
1.) Diversity
2.) Freedom
3.) Social Justice
4.) Appropriately reasoned usage of land and resources

And instead supports:
1.) Extreme greed (1 person can own almost all the resources because of stock manipulation or chance... that is plainly stupid)
2.) Egocentric, profitable bias
3.) Lobbyist abuse of manufactured socio-economic & legal stigmas
4.) Fascism
5.) Social dominance orientation
6.) Oppressive coercion

I'm right, you're wrong and over privileged.
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01/09/2014 08:06 AM
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Re: If poor people don't contribute to the economy at all, why do we still keep them alive?
I don't get it.

Poor people hardly earn enough in their lifetimes to contribute to consumerist economy, let alone government taxes.

They sure don't create jobs.

And yet the government spends billions to keep millions of people alive on welfare.

Why keep them alive in misery for the rest of their lives?

Wouldnt it be more humane if we just eliminated the poor from the face of the earth?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52248045


Couple of reasons, why you can't.

First of all you don't know which ones of these poor will become something in their life. everyone isn't born rich, most people born poor are the ones who end up being the greatest people ever born. most people born poor have a push to become something in life to make themselves better. If everyone was rich or born rich nothing would ever get done. rich people are not going to do physical labor. the ones who are born rich will not go work at a fast food place, build a house, build cars, etc... so unless you can figure out which ones of the poor will not end up being a scientist who solves some of the world problems, someone who might help humanity more than a rich lazy person, there would be no way to know which ones to get rid of.

When I say rich lazy person I am referring to the ones born super rich who are here just to spend their parents money, just as useless a s someone on welfare except they get their welfare from a different source.

the only people that are useless in life are the ones who work their ass off rather they live pay check to pay check or have actually worked hard enough where now they don't have to bust their ass. as far as these rich ass holes who are born that way and everything gets handed to them they are useless as someone on welfare for life.

Now if you are talking about the people who get on welfare and stay for life, they are proud of the face that they are on welfare have no plans of getting off of welfare ever, then yes they are useless and maybe we should just cut them off and see if they go to work or starve. but at the same time you couldn't starve their kids because who knows what they might do in life. so maybe once the kid was old enough to get out on their on we could get rid of the parents.

We should also get rid of the people born rich also they do not contribute to society. You may say well they spend their parents money, right? Well seeing that money is really just an Illusion and is worthless and there will come a day soon when money will not be useful at all, what will the these useless spoiled brats contribute at that point? What will these spoiled actors contribute? They are not going to want to rebuild shit. so might as well terminate them with the poor who will never contribute to society.

We need people with skills who actually can contribute. this is why when they save so many people in the under ground bunkers it will be people who have some sort of useful skills not useless welfare people, not useless rich people.
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01/09/2014 08:07 AM
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Re: If poor people don't contribute to the economy at all, why do we still keep them alive?
fuck off commie
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52688906


What he said wasn't commie, but fascist, the end product of capitalism. Which is where we are headed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52696091


Communism and fascism go hand in hand, after all the working people that have the fruit of their labor stolen from them need to be oppressed or they stop working or leave. Capitalism on the other hand is freedom. You get to keep what you work for and are free to do with it how you please. You little piece of communist/fascist shit.
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bdance
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The government needs to bring back the workhouses. Lazy leeches that don't work for a living piss me right off. huffy
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Re: If poor people don't contribute to the economy at all, why do we still keep them alive?
the error you make op is that you think that its the government money that keeps the poor alive.


when in reality its the government money that keeps you alive.

look at it like insurance.

you pay the government to stop the poor from killing and robbing you of what they need to stay alive.


im sure the blind will never see this.


good luck being a sheep for the rest of your life.
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Re: If poor people don't contribute to the economy at all, why do we still keep them alive?
The working poor benefit us by cleaning the toilets and bring us coffee, but those on welfare need a needle in the arm and the housing projects need to be demolished.
 Quoting: BRIEF


I remember the first time I saw public housing in the early 80s.
GovCo built a really nice neighborhood for these people. Within a year, at least half of the units had boarded windows.
Was amazing to drive by every few weeks and see the deterioration.
 Quoting: Zetetic


They do the same with houses zoned for section 8, the welfare scum just destroy them.
 Quoting: BRIEF


Brief your unemployed and need a good slap bet your ma still wiping your arse twat.
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wut
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Re: If poor people don't contribute to the economy at all, why do we still keep them alive?
I don't get it.

Poor people hardly earn enough in their lifetimes to contribute to consumerist economy, let alone government taxes.

They sure don't create jobs.

And yet the government spends billions to keep millions of people alive on welfare.

Why keep them alive in misery for the rest of their lives?

Wouldnt it be more humane if we just eliminated the poor from the face of the earth?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52248045


Couple of reasons, why you can't.

First of all you don't know which ones of these poor will become something in their life. everyone isn't born rich, most people born poor are the ones who end up being the greatest people ever born. most people born poor have a push to become something in life to make themselves better. If everyone was rich or born rich nothing would ever get done. rich people are not going to do physical labor. the ones who are born rich will not go work at a fast food place, build a house, build cars, etc... so unless you can figure out which ones of the poor will not end up being a scientist who solves some of the world problems, someone who might help humanity more than a rich lazy person, there would be no way to know which ones to get rid of.

When I say rich lazy person I am referring to the ones born super rich who are here just to spend their parents money, just as useless a s someone on welfare except they get their welfare from a different source.

the only people that are useless in life are the ones who work their ass off rather they live pay check to pay check or have actually worked hard enough where now they don't have to bust their ass. as far as these rich ass holes who are born that way and everything gets handed to them they are useless as someone on welfare for life.

Now if you are talking about the people who get on welfare and stay for life, they are proud of the face that they are on welfare have no plans of getting off of welfare ever, then yes they are useless and maybe we should just cut them off and see if they go to work or starve. but at the same time you couldn't starve their kids because who knows what they might do in life. so maybe once the kid was old enough to get out on their on we could get rid of the parents.

We should also get rid of the people born rich also they do not contribute to society. You may say well they spend their parents money, right? Well seeing that money is really just an Illusion and is worthless and there will come a day soon when money will not be useful at all, what will the these useless spoiled brats contribute at that point? What will these spoiled actors contribute? They are not going to want to rebuild shit. so might as well terminate them with the poor who will never contribute to society.

We need people with skills who actually can contribute. this is why when they save so many people in the under ground bunkers it will be people who have some sort of useful skills not useless welfare people, not useless rich people.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51201040

Very well said, My thoughts exactly. I was just too poor and lazy to type it.
"drink and be merry for tomorrow you may die"

"our gods became their devils so their devils became our gods"

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Re: If poor people don't contribute to the economy at all, why do we still keep them alive?
fuck off commie
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52688906


What he said wasn't commie, but fascist, the end product of capitalism. Which is where we are headed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52696091


Communism and fascism go hand in hand, after all the working people that have the fruit of their labor stolen from them need to be oppressed or they stop working or leave. Capitalism on the other hand is freedom. You get to keep what you work for and are free to do with it how you please. You little piece of communist/fascist shit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51913360


you do talk utter bullshit.

the way you speak about communism and fascism is out of context meaning you have no idea what those words actually mean.
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Re: If poor people don't contribute to the economy at all, why do we still keep them alive?
If the working poor work and live within without gov aid, what's the issue?
They make the pizza, clean bathrooms. Someone would have to do it.
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Re: If poor people don't contribute to the economy at all, why do we still keep them alive?
the error you make op is that you think that its the government money that keeps the poor alive.


when in reality its the government money that keeps you alive.

look at it like insurance.

you pay the government to stop the poor from killing and robbing you of what they need to stay alive.


im sure the blind will never see this.


good luck being a sheep for the rest of your life.
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HaaHaaaHaaaaa!!! YES!
"drink and be merry for tomorrow you may die"

"our gods became their devils so their devils became our gods"

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Re: If poor people don't contribute to the economy at all, why do we still keep them alive?
The working poor benefit us by cleaning the toilets and bring us coffee, but those on welfare need a needle in the arm and the housing projects need to be demolished.
 Quoting: BRIEF


I remember the first time I saw public housing in the early 80s.
GovCo built a really nice neighborhood for these people. Within a year, at least half of the units had boarded windows.
Was amazing to drive by every few weeks and see the deterioration.
 Quoting: Zetetic


They do the same with houses zoned for section 8, the welfare scum just destroy them.
 Quoting: BRIEF


well that's one of the solutions brief.

but the society cant have any amount of piece while those poor and starving exist.

but what use is a society if the wealth and efforts are not distributed.

I thought that was the whole point of a society?
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The working poor benefit us by cleaning the toilets and bring us coffee, but those on welfare need a needle in the arm and the housing projects need to be demolished.
 Quoting: BRIEF


I remember the first time I saw public housing in the early 80s.
GovCo built a really nice neighborhood for these people. Within a year, at least half of the units had boarded windows.
Was amazing to drive by every few weeks and see the deterioration.
 Quoting: Zetetic


They do the same with houses zoned for section 8, the welfare scum just destroy them.
 Quoting: BRIEF


well that's one of the solutions brief.

but the society cant have any amount of peace while those poor and starving exist.

but what use is a society if the wealth and efforts are not distributed.

I thought that was the whole point of a society?
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The only reason is that they VOTE for the idiot who gives them stuff
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I don't mind that they don't contribute to the economy, the problem is that they don't contribute anything! The only produce more leeches who stand around with her hands out. Then there's crime...
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If the Global elite contribute nothing of substance to the global working class then the same should apply. Just How many inflation driving parasitic millionaires and Billionaires can we support? These fuckers are hollow, fake bean counters who attached their useless lazy fat arses to any working class innovations, and own them using their fake, valueless wealth symbols...
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The only reason is that they VOTE for the idiot who gives them stuff
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Stan Agree
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The working poor benefit us by cleaning the toilets and bring us coffee, but those on welfare need a needle in the arm and the housing projects need to be demolished.
 Quoting: BRIEF


I remember the first time I saw public housing in the early 80s.
GovCo built a really nice neighborhood for these people. Within a year, at least half of the units had boarded windows.
Was amazing to drive by every few weeks and see the deterioration.
 Quoting: Zetetic


They do the same with houses zoned for section 8, the welfare scum just destroy them.
 Quoting: BRIEF


well that's one of the solutions brief.

but the society cant have any amount of piece while those poor and starving exist.

but what use is a society if the wealth and efforts are not distributed.

I thought that was the whole point of a society?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52631228


Peace ends when you stop giving them free housing, cars, phones, food....
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fuck off commie
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52688906


What he said wasn't commie, but fascist, the end product of capitalism. Which is where we are headed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52696091


Communism and fascism go hand in hand, after all the working people that have the fruit of their labor stolen from them need to be oppressed or they stop working or leave. Capitalism on the other hand is freedom. You get to keep what you work for and are free to do with it how you please. You little piece of communist/fascist shit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51913360



Yea, funny. If capitalism is freedom, why are we so enslaved?
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The working poor benefit us by cleaning the toilets and bring us coffee, but those on welfare need a needle in the arm and the housing projects need to be demolished.
 Quoting: BRIEF


I remember the first time I saw public housing in the early 80s.
GovCo built a really nice neighborhood for these people. Within a year, at least half of the units had boarded windows.
Was amazing to drive by every few weeks and see the deterioration.
 Quoting: Zetetic


They do the same with houses zoned for section 8, the welfare scum just destroy them.
 Quoting: BRIEF


Brief your unemployed and need a good slap bet your ma still wiping your arse twat.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52699334


What's an "arse twat?" Lol
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I don't get it.

Poor people hardly earn enough in their lifetimes to contribute to consumerist economy, let alone government taxes.

They sure don't create jobs.

And yet the government spends billions to keep millions of people alive on welfare.

Why keep them alive in misery for the rest of their lives?

Wouldnt it be more humane if we just eliminated the poor from the face of the earth?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52248045


life is more valuable than money

that is why we "keep them alive"
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