If poor people don't contribute to the economy at all, why do we still keep them alive?

You were doing alright until you blew your own argument up.

If the bottom classes did as the top classes, they still wouldn't be the top classes, and would just perpetuate things if they were.

"Economy" is just that, the cream of the artificial inflation crop.

They have a term in video game design for game designers who use "hitpoints" in massive numbers to make bosses impossible to beat. It's called artificial difficulty.

on the flipside...

what about the rich corporations that avoid paying taxes, put their monies in off-shore accounts, and ship jobs overseas.

what do they "contribute to the economy" besides cheap toxic Chinese products?

shouldn't they be the first in line to your death camps?

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The same reason you can find people in cardboard boxes living next to ten million dollar homes in Miami and Malibu.

Riches ain't shit if everyone has them.

Not in today's America Osteen. Or is it Creflo.

In today's America, having enough to survive and support a family is a sign of being lukewarm enough to fit into a civilization that the rest of the world despises.

I still can't believe you just equated fat wallets with spiritual health.

Welfare = VOTES to Socialist Democraps.


Simple as that.
Otherwise they would let them starve

Having money and financial responsibility is a sign of wholeness (God says be holy...which means whole, complete)
It is not a sign that it is your master. It is the ATTITUDE toward money that matter. You can serve God by being financially responsible.... the verse about two masters means that if money is more important than God, then the person is serving money. Jesus has had many rich followers from His earthly sojourn, and before the Cross, and since the Cross---those followers placed Him before any wealth. And they have managed to serve Him better because of their financial responsibility. I do not believe in the phony "prosperity gospel"....if people many their lives responsibly and financially, then they prosper....that's the consequence engine, whether they are Chrisian or not.
My point is that the Bible tells me that authentic Christians have common sense enough to manage their finances responsibly and be good stewards...and that definitely does not mean that they are serving money instead of God. People so twist the Scriptures! You people who think that poverty is godliness need to read the Scriptures as a whole-- God throughout His word proclaims over and over that we are to be responsible and accountable, and money and sex and the two main subjects for accountability and responsibility and good life management!

Exactly right, and what I've learned over the years is that the better you manage what God gives you, the more responsibilities he hands you.

Money and sex have become the same thing. In fact, sex is almost an issue of a Driver License in the States, and even then, you better have a trendy ride.

To equate a house that is falling apart, and the discontent that arises with wrongdoing by not having enough cash, is to totally abrogate ALL responsibility of the wage earner in this climate.

Fact is, you only make what the fatter cats leave you to collect, so they are in fact in charge of your family's well being and your happiness.

You have almost no say whatsoever. And only someone who is too proud of his measly pittance to see this would argue otherwise.

I did not equate fat wallets with spiritual health. I equate responsibility and wholeness with spirital health...so does the Bible... I read it continuously, for I seek the mind of God.
God tells me through His Scriptures that whole people (holy people....complete or people who are successful in this life) are RESPONSIBLE in every way. Accountable, productive, responsible, good stewards of all that He has given us. Anyone who thinks God wants us to be poor does not read all the Scriptures. Osteen and Creflo are both opportunists...they leech off the productivity of gullible, uninformed victims who do not search the Scriptures for themselves.
The "prosperity gospel" is bunk, but the Scriptures are clear that there is a consequence engine in life, and that we are all to be productive and responsible and not leech off others for our livelihood. Generally being responsible and accountable leads to plenty. Even the ants are an example of this principle.

I know you're smarter than the shit you often type, so I'm just going to say this.

Bible says that if you are rich now, you've received your eternal blessing.

And rich is far less prosperity than you think it is.

THOSE are the ones the Bible refers to who serves money, instead of God. Money is their God. Not death camps for them, but when Jesus sets up His reign on earth, there will be none of that.

You certainly did equate fat wallets with spiritual health.

And you're not going to find a Bible verse I don't know.

Go to the ant thou sluggard and consider her ways. The ant is communist. Gathering in summer, and storing for winter.

Well, capitalism is gathering in the summer, and saving for communist winter. And it's getting cold in these streets.

If you think the hive is your paradise, and you're not the goddamn queen, you are one delusional ant.

None of it is yours.

No, you misunderstand. If you worship wealth then you have received your reward already...there is nothing noble or holy about being intentionally poor. In fact, it's a sin. if you were given talents from God and you waste them, that's a slap in the face to Him.

You're an idiot.

You must have missed the rich young ruler who kept every single commandment, and Jesus told him he lacked only selling all he has, and giving to the poor, and then following Jesus to his cross.

Try again Creflo.

He did not manage God's wealth for God's sake. He did it wrong.

"The better you manage what God gives you, whether a person is a Christian or not, the more responsibilities he gives"
It's a basic life principle, for Christians or non believers---part of life's basic consequence engine, and definitely God's consequence engine.

"He who is faithful in a very little is faithful also in much, and he who is unfaithful in a very little is also unfaithful in much." The little things are the realm of material values; money, wealth, the use of our time and influence. He tells us that we manage what we have, and we will receive more...then manage that, more....
Whatever He gives us to do,in financial realm or otherwise, do it well, and we consequently are given more.

No, he didn't manage HIS OWN wealth. IF he had dumped it he could have had God's wealth too.

Jesus laid down his life because he could take it up again, if the wealthy are so smart and deserve what they have, then they should have no problem getting it all back.

That's right, I give my wealth away all the time and it keeps coming back...

By the way, "Impaler"....lukewarm, I think, would also involve being unproductive....which leads to poverty.....
Lukewarm, of course in the verse you are thinking of, meant not being passionate and going all out for Christ as Lord.
Anyone who is not responsible enough to manage the financial aspects of their life is also certainly luke warm.

And now we have come full circle and you have just justified government welfare.

Case closed.

You didn't give it all away, because you still have a family.

These things are easy to tell from the perspective of those who have actually done them.

just as long as the arent brown or black

No, lukewarm means staying where it is comfortable for you, and not where you have to take on things on their own terms.

You can say fiscal responsibility means the world, but one visit from the IRS, one crop freeze, one war, it's gone.

And for the poor, just one traffic stop can do it.

You're a fake Christian.

"What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead." James 2:14-15

If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless. James 1:26

"Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world." James 1:27

“Then the King will turn to those on the left and say, ‘Away with you, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his demons.For I was hungry, and you didn’t feed me. I was thirsty, and you didn’t give me a drink. 43 I was a stranger, and you didn’t invite me into your home. I was naked, and you didn’t give me clothing. I was sick and in prison, and you didn’t visit me.’
“Then they will reply, ‘Lord, when did we ever see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and not help you?’
“And he will answer, ‘I tell you the truth, when you refused to help the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were refusing to help me.’ “And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous will go into eternal life.” Matthew 25:41-46

"I the LORD search the heart and examine the mind, to reward each person according to their conduct, according to what their deeds deserve." Jeremiah 17:10

"Everyone who is arrogant in heart is an abomination to the Lord; be assured, he will not go unpunished." Proverbs 16:5

"One's pride will bring him low, but he who is lowly in spirit will obtain honor." Proverbs 29:23

"Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall." Proverbs 16:18

Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; a stranger, and not your own lips. Proverbs 27:2

"Thus says the Lord: “Let not the wise man boast in his wisdom, let not the mighty man boast in his might, let not the rich man boast in his riches." Jeremiah 9:23

"Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy." Ezekiel 16:49

But he gives more grace. Therefore it says, “God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.” James 4:6

"Whoever belittles his neighbor lacks sense, but a man of understanding remains silent." Proverbs 11:12

19 Jesus said, “There was a certain rich man who was splendidly clothed in purple and fine linen and who lived each day in luxury. 20 At his gate lay a poor man named Lazarus who was covered with sores. 21 As Lazarus lay there longing for scraps from the rich man’s table, the dogs would come and lick his open sores.

22 “Finally, the poor man died and was carried by the angels to be with Abraham.[a] The rich man also died and was buried, 23 and his soul went to the place of the dead. There, in torment, he saw Abraham in the far distance with Lazarus at his side.

24 “The rich man shouted, ‘Father Abraham, have some pity! Send Lazarus over here to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue. I am in anguish in these flames.’

25 “But Abraham said to him, ‘Son, remember that during your lifetime you had everything you wanted, and Lazarus had nothing. So now he is here being comforted, and you are in anguish. 26 And besides, there is a great chasm separating us. No one can cross over to you from here, and no one can cross over to us from there.’

27 “Then the rich man said, ‘Please, Father Abraham, at least send him to my father’s home. 28 For I have five brothers, and I want him to warn them so they don’t end up in this place of torment.’

29 “But Abraham said, ‘Moses and the prophets have warned them. Your brothers can read what they wrote.’

30 “The rich man replied, ‘No, Father Abraham! But if someone is sent to them from the dead, then they will repent of their sins and turn to God.’

31 “But Abraham said, ‘If they won’t listen to Moses and the prophets, they won’t listen even if someone rises from the dead.’” Luke 16:19-31

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Left, right paradigm is an illusion of choice you guys are imprisoned by, those are your two choices but they aren't much different. Hitler was considered to be on the right, yet his party had socialist in it's name.

Think laterally, think outside the box.

Why would Brief be a Christian, Jesus was actually pretty wealthy, how can a wealthy righteous person die...

Being poor or being rich is not the issue with God.
He wants all of us to be whole, and manage our lives, our finances, our health, our families, our relationships to the best of our ability. He definitely does not want us to leech off others.... ("the leech has three sisters, 'give, give,give' ")... and if you will just take His instructions (the Scriptures) as a whole, it is evident that even those who taught the gospel were to work for a living... We are to do the best we can with what we have. A general principle with God is that when we are productive and accountable, then the consequence is plenty. Those who prosper at the expense of others are anathema. We are never to take advantage of others to prosper as do the televangelists.

Now you are just being retarded.