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Sandy Hook: What gunman took Kaitlin Roig's cellphone?

 
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in this radio interview she tells she was in "morning meeting".
 Quoting: Fred 53301007


When Roig says "morning meeting", what exactly does that mean? The way she was describing it, it sounds like she was always in room 12. It doesn't sound to me like she was originally in a different room.
Does a "morning meeting" mean with other teachers? Or just with her kids? I would think a "meeting" means having a talk with other adults or teachers.
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The way I heard kids describe it, morning meeting happens after announcements, greetings, etc., and hence later in that period (classes start at 9:05; morning meeting around 9:30). It's between teachers and their class.

I'll find a ref...
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So why does it seem like everyone is shifted over one room?

In 00014533, page 4, Rachel D'Avino's jacket, cell phone and keys were in Room 6 (should have been Room 8)

Page 7, which seems to be a school directory showing room assignments, "Roig, K" is listed in Room 10, as is Soto.

In fact, there is no Room 12 listed at all.
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I'm not sure about Roig and Soto, but Room 6 might have been considered D'Avino's "home base" since she was an assistant for a special needs student, and Room 6 was a special education room.
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Spot on.
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Roig also says multiple times, "We're the first classroom, so I thought we were next."

Yet she says she had no idea where the shooting is taking place, heard no screaming, and can't tell if the shooting is in the hall or the lobby.

But she says "next" as if she's aware of the concept of a shooter going from room to room. I find that curious.
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I find that very curious too! Why would she assume that shooter or shooters would be going into rooms?
 Quoting: Stickywicket


Curious that she knows the attackers behavior and intention. Maybe it was someone that threatened her, another reason the police would really want that phone.
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Curious indeed.

I guess I'm getting this part from media reports, though, at which time Roig would have heard what reportedly happened in Rms 10 and 8, and perhaps her memory is "back-building," filling in her memory with thoughts she's actually having just now but didn't at the time.

Got to read her interviews again.
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But I really think that if Vest, in another state, not only had already heard that 1) Roig heard shooting and 2) Roig's next-door neighbor was fumbling for keys when attacked, Roig must have called Vest very very, early if not during the attack.

And it seems she could hardly call him after the attack, unless she borrowed someone's phone.

Not only had Vest already heard this, but Vest was already sitting around having coffee telling it to people.

Whether during or after the morning attack (?), I think Roig called Vest 12/14.
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in this radio interview she tells she was in "morning meeting".
 Quoting: Fred 53301007


When Roig says "morning meeting", what exactly does that mean? The way she was describing it, it sounds like she was always in room 12. It doesn't sound to me like she was originally in a different room.
Does a "morning meeting" mean with other teachers? Or just with her kids? I would think a "meeting" means having a talk with other adults or teachers.
 Quoting: Stickywicket


The way I heard kids describe it, morning meeting happens after announcements, greetings, etc., and hence later in that period (classes start at 9:05; morning meeting around 9:30). It's between teachers and their class.

I'll find a ref...
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It's in the children's interviews--the really verbose one (I'm guessing Licata, lol).
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"Note: An early version of this story made reference to one of the 911 calls coming from teacher Kaitlin Roig's classroom. The call did not come from Roig's room."

[link to articles.courant.com]

This article is about the landline calls, not the cellphone calls.

The sentence formerly identified citing Roig, is now "Another call came from a teacher who calmly described being holed up in her classroom with her students and how she needed to lock her door."

Obviously that's not Halstead, Thorne, or Pisani, and further, it matches Newtown Call 4, which ostensibly is Roig, having called from a cell phone and now been transferred to Newtown.

Apparently it was a no-no to ID Roig; the Courant backpedaled by saying the call "did not come from Roig's room."

And the reason of course is that this was NOT a landline call as claimed, and in fact only a single 911 call released in the entire case came from a landline.

At any rate, I now think the Courant simply meant (while also redacting Roig handily, probably having gotten a scolding) that that 911 call did not come from the landline in Roig's room.

There's a lot between the lines of Courant Sandy Hook articles, if you ask me, and I'm not sure it's unintentional.
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I don't see a list of what personal items were returned in Roig in 00014533. Is that info somewhere else?
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I don't see a list of what personal items were returned in Roig in 00014533. Is that info somewhere else?
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I'll have to ck thru the handwritten parts...I didn't see one offhand, though.
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Notice that in the report regarding pinging Roig's phone (the report that mentions working with the FBI agent), it suggests they were already pinging one phone in an "area away from the school" before Roig's was pinged.

This is on the page where the CSP officer states that upon hearing another phone was being pinged, he asked to have Roig's pinged.

Need to read it several more times--could just be awkward writing, but at first glance, it looks as if Roig's was not the first phone pinged, and that in fact another phone was "pinging in the woods."

I believe one of the phones lost was lost by a married woman, because the report has the officer speaking to "him" and assuring him that an effort would be made to replace "her" phone. After that, it states Roig could not be reached.

Sorry for lack of ref numbers--will add.
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Notice that in the report regarding pinging Roig's phone (the report that mentions working with the FBI agent), it suggests they were already pinging one phone in an "area away from the school" before Roig's was pinged.

This is on the page where the CSP officer states that upon hearing another phone was being pinged, he asked to have Roig's pinged.

Need to read it several more times--could just be awkward writing, but at first glance, it looks as if Roig's was not the first phone pinged, and that in fact another phone was "pinging in the woods."

I believe one of the phones lost was lost by a married woman, because the report has the officer speaking to "him" and assuring him that an effort would be made to replace "her" phone. After that, it states Roig could not be reached.

Sorry for lack of ref numbers--will add.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54499838


But at any rate, I don't know if the phone they're pinging is the other teacher's missing phone or not.

It's starting to sound like two teachers may have reported their phone taken--otherwise why waste valuable law enforcement time pinging phones?

Of course, no guarantee this first, pinged phone is a teacher's--maybe it's a Lanza (or other suspect) phone.

Why in the woods, either way?
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CFS1200704559
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At approximately 9:45 someone (LE) was made aware that there was an active shooter...he/she was left with a dad looking for his son, he/she accompanied dad to firehouse and son was located.....

Now interesting part, Roig GRABBED this persons arm, was upset and feared her cell phone was taken by the gunman....WTF.
She was afraid all her personal information would be known by the person who took her phone......hummmmmm

The phone was pinged and was deemed to be within 32 meters of the school or most likely in the school. They were concerned at the time that there were multiple shooters.....

Now I ask you, this teacher, minutes after this massacre, had such a clear state of mind to wonder where her effing phone was?
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This thread is courtesy of the above AC.

From 00003242:

CSP Officer Kenneth Christensen:

"...[M]y arm was grabbed by Kaitlin Roig, a first grade teacher at the school. She was upset and stated her classroom was the first class in the hall, that she feared her cell phone had been taken by the gunman. She was afraid that all her personal information would be known to the person who took her phone."

1. Why did she fear her phone had been taken by the gunman?

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Just looking at it simply, a gunman possibly took her cell phone, that includes the address to her loved ones, he might go hurt them.

Not discounting any of this stuff, just stating, fear could have been real enough.
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I don't see a list of what personal items were returned in Roig in 00014533. Is that info somewhere else?
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I'll have to ck thru the handwritten parts...I didn't see one offhand, though.
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That's ok. Pg. 24 of 00118939.pdf says that Roig's purse was found sitting out on her desk. Her keys were also found on her desk (not in the bag).

It looks like the inventory of personal items in 00014533 doesn't include anything from Rooms 8, 10, or 12.
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Notice that in the report regarding pinging Roig's phone (the report that mentions working with the FBI agent), it suggests they were already pinging one phone in an "area away from the school" before Roig's was pinged.

This is on the page where the CSP officer states that upon hearing another phone was being pinged, he asked to have Roig's pinged.

Need to read it several more times--could just be awkward writing, but at first glance, it looks as if Roig's was not the first phone pinged, and that in fact another phone was "pinging in the woods."

I believe one of the phones lost was lost by a married woman, because the report has the officer speaking to "him" and assuring him that an effort would be made to replace "her" phone. After that, it states Roig could not be reached.

Sorry for lack of ref numbers--will add.
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But at any rate, I don't know if the phone they're pinging is the other teacher's missing phone or not.

It's starting to sound like two teachers may have reported their phone taken--otherwise why waste valuable law enforcement time pinging phones?

Of course, no guarantee this first, pinged phone is a teacher's--maybe it's a Lanza (or other suspect) phone.

Why in the woods, either way?
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All good questions....
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Classic!

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Just looking at it simply, a gunman possibly took her cell phone, that includes the address to her loved ones, he might go hurt them.

Not discounting any of this stuff, just stating, fear could have been real enough.
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Yes, certainly! Most of us aren't really questioning her fear; we're more wondering what factors led Roig to even suspect in the first place that a gunman might have taken the phone.

I personally am working with the assumption, for now, that Roig was a completely innocent party in all of this, though I realize that others disagree.
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CFS1200704559
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At approximately 9:45 someone (LE) was made aware that there was an active shooter...he/she was left with a dad looking for his son, he/she accompanied dad to firehouse and son was located.....

Now interesting part, Roig GRABBED this persons arm, was upset and feared her cell phone was taken by the gunman....WTF.
She was afraid all her personal information would be known by the person who took her phone......hummmmmm

The phone was pinged and was deemed to be within 32 meters of the school or most likely in the school. They were concerned at the time that there were multiple shooters.....

Now I ask you, this teacher, minutes after this massacre, had such a clear state of mind to wonder where her effing phone was?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34763230


This thread is courtesy of the above AC.

From 00003242:

CSP Officer Kenneth Christensen:

"...[M]y arm was grabbed by Kaitlin Roig, a first grade teacher at the school. She was upset and stated her classroom was the first class in the hall, that she feared her cell phone had been taken by the gunman. She was afraid that all her personal information would be known to the person who took her phone."

1. Why did she fear her phone had been taken by the gunman?

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52750760


Just looking at it simply, a gunman possibly took her cell phone, that includes the address to her loved ones, he might go hurt them.

Not discounting any of this stuff, just stating, fear could have been real enough.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38633004


Definitely agree. And since the phone was not found on Lanza (or whoever the dead person in Room 10 was), that would be scandalous news--Roig's phone taken by a shooter who is still on the loose.
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Why doesn't someone ask her...her FB page is open. All she does is post about being on vacation or out to lunch and dinner. I'm curious too...most young teachers I know hang out together outside of school. Was she friends with those that died? Did she attend their funerals? Doesn't seem to connect much with any families; just her socialite friends hobnobbing. Doesn't teach anymore, all very strange IMO.
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I'm still wondering why she didn't believe that it was "real" law enforcement that showed up to her and the kids?! And she repeated that she didn't believe them multiple times. I mean, WTF???
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Why doesn't someone ask her...her FB page is open. All she does is post about being on vacation or out to lunch and dinner. I'm curious too...most young teachers I know hang out together outside of school. Was she friends with those that died? Did she attend their funerals? Doesn't seem to connect much with any families; just her socialite friends hobnobbing. Doesn't teach anymore, all very strange IMO.
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Personally, I think it is an intrusion to ask someone like that.

It is one thing for a specific investigator to ask, but imagine yourself on her side of things.

Trust me, I have lots and lots of problems with SH.

I am just saying that asking on FB is probably not the best venue, IMHO.
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I think it's quite interesting that those who were very "in your face" have gone private on social media but then pop up on pages that don't believe in the "official story" yet others leave their pages open. there is NO discussion on her page about SH. I'm not saying to harass her but maybe someone outside of media could ask her if she'd be willing to answer certain questions. She did go on TV and do an interview and attended the State of the Union I believe. Why can't witnesses be questioned about a closed case and wouldn't anyone who went through that want to promote better school safety and procedures? I haven't seen one of the families pushing for change in school security and lockdown procedures. I would think that this would be the top issue to be analyzed...police response, protocol, etc. Shootings are going to happen but how in the hell did 27 people get killed? Would it have been better to be trained to run? It all just drives me nuts to think about! Still wondering also how all those parents got there so fast from work (with their badges on)
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Why doesn't someone ask her...her FB page is open. All she does is post about being on vacation or out to lunch and dinner. I'm curious too...most young teachers I know hang out together outside of school. Was she friends with those that died? Did she attend their funerals? Doesn't seem to connect much with any families; just her socialite friends hobnobbing. Doesn't teach anymore, all very strange IMO.
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Really? I thought she took her page down.
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I don't see a list of what personal items were returned in Roig in 00014533. Is that info somewhere else?
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I'll have to ck thru the handwritten parts...I didn't see one offhand, though.
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That's ok. Pg. 24 of 00118939.pdf says that Roig's purse was found sitting out on her desk. Her keys were also found on her desk (not in the bag).

It looks like the inventory of personal items in 00014533 doesn't include anything from Rooms 8, 10, or 12.
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Aha! I found it. I somehow just randomly clicked on it. Book 1/00006554.pdf
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I don't see a list of what personal items were returned in Roig in 00014533. Is that info somewhere else?
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I'll have to ck thru the handwritten parts...I didn't see one offhand, though.
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That's ok. Pg. 24 of 00118939.pdf says that Roig's purse was found sitting out on her desk. Her keys were also found on her desk (not in the bag).

It looks like the inventory of personal items in 00014533 doesn't include anything from Rooms 8, 10, or 12.
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Aha! I found it. I somehow just randomly clicked on it. Book 1/00006554.pdf
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Good find - too bad it doesn't say which room, but we'll get there!
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It looks like the inventory of personal items in 00014533 doesn't include anything from Rooms 8, 10, or 12.
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That specific inventory of valuables was "...from the rooms not directly involved with the shooting."

"Beginning at Room 53 and ending at Room 5".
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It looks like the inventory of personal items in 00014533 doesn't include anything from Rooms 8, 10, or 12.
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That specific inventory of valuables was "...from the rooms not directly involved with the shooting."

"Beginning at Room 53 and ending at Room 5".
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Yeah, I did see that. It's kind of interesting, though, that they consider Room 12 to somehow be involved in the shooting since supposedly nothing happened in that room.
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It looks like the inventory of personal items in 00014533 doesn't include anything from Rooms 8, 10, or 12.
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That specific inventory of valuables was "...from the rooms not directly involved with the shooting."

"Beginning at Room 53 and ending at Room 5".
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Yeah, I did see that. It's kind of interesting, though, that they consider Room 12 to somehow be involved in the shooting since supposedly nothing happened in that room.
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Yep, I thought the same! It's "kinda" involved :)
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So, Roig took a picture of the sunrise 12/14. Ostensibly with her phone, and ostensibly shown in this interview w/Couric:

[link to abcnews.go.com]

At abt 05:30 into the interview.

Does that mean she got her phone back, or is this not really the photo she took, or...?
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So, Roig took a picture of the sunrise 12/14. Ostensibly with her phone, and ostensibly shown in this interview w/Couric:

[link to abcnews.go.com]

At abt 05:30 into the interview.

Does that mean she got her phone back, or is this not really the photo she took, or...?
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Hard to say since she might have posted it on instagram or facebook or texted it to her fiance.
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Re: Sandy Hook: What gunman took Kaitlin Roig's cellphone?
Just looking at it simply, a gunman possibly took her cell phone, that includes the address to her loved ones, he might go hurt them.

Not discounting any of this stuff, just stating, fear could have been real enough.
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Oh shit, it just clicked for me. What if there's a killer on the loose who still has Roig's phone? What might he be threatening her to say or not say?
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Hypothetical Scenario:

The dispatcher told Roig to lock her door, but the classroom doors only lock from the outside, meaning that she would have had to open her door in order to lock it. She didn't dare do that while someone was shooting a gun in the hall right outside her classroom. But, when she thought she heard a lull in the shooting, she made a dash to try to lock the door.

But there was still a gunman in the hallway, possibly dressed as a cop, and he grabbed her phone from her.


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