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Sandy Hook: What gunman took Kaitlin Roig's cellphone?

 
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Also, in one of Roig's interviews she said she asked a *student* to ask the officer to use the badge (because she didn't want the guy to think there were many people in there).
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Has anyone seen an interview w/Patrick Dragon yet?
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Has anyone seen an interview w/Patrick Dragon yet?
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book 6 / 00073537.pdf
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Fred, that's actually Vanghele's report. Combes was interviewing him. Here it is:

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yep..sorry
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So now we have 3 stories of how the door was opened - once by Roig, 2 others from the outside by key one of which broke off.

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Re: Sandy Hook: What gunman took Kaitlin Roig's cellphone?
I think she simply saw one of the shooters.
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Re: Sandy Hook: What gunman took Kaitlin Roig's cellphone?
And I think that at 9:46:54, the extremely loud shot, may be the person in Room 10 being suicided. I think the door was open and that's why the shot is so loud; whoever suicided him then left.

Also possible someone was firing that shot at cops, but it seems there would be more (close up) shots if so. However, additional fainter shots are audible after 9:46:54, so possibly it's cops returning fire.
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Re: Sandy Hook: What gunman took Kaitlin Roig's cellphone?
Hunting the elusive Roig phone.

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Hunting the elusive Roig phone.

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Mebbe it's on Vedat's roof.

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where is Roig cellphone?
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where is Roig cellphone?
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The question of the day!

And did two teachers' phones get taken, in the end?
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Both AT&T are listed as vendors for Newtown Public Schools:

[link to www.newtown.k12.ct.us]

This appears to be a review of 2012 finances, conducted in December of 2013.
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Re: Sandy Hook: What gunman took Kaitlin Roig's cellphone?
Hunting the elusive Roig phone.

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Mebbe it's on Vedat's roof.

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It could very well be a phone, I notice the yellow band too, seen a few other officers wearing the same.
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Magnificent theories! What happened was a maniac tragically killed innocent children. Honor them by filtering out sparing the BS theories...do you really believe what you are saying? You want to blame someone, anyone, any wild theory because accepting that in life things just happen is just too hard a thought to swallow isn't it. Claim back your life by telling the GD truth to yourself.
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Re: Sandy Hook: What gunman took Kaitlin Roig's cellphone?
Magnificent theories! What happened was a maniac tragically killed innocent children. Honor them by filtering out sparing the BS theories...do you really believe what you are saying? You want to blame someone, anyone, any wild theory because accepting that in life things just happen is just too hard a thought to swallow isn't it. Claim back your life by telling the GD truth to yourself.
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Thanks for the lecture, but many of us simply don't believe the crock of shit served up by the authorities and their lap dog media.
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Re: Sandy Hook: What gunman took Kaitlin Roig's cellphone?
Magnificent theories! What happened was a maniac tragically killed innocent children. Honor them by filtering out sparing the BS theories...do you really believe what you are saying? You want to blame someone, anyone, any wild theory because accepting that in life things just happen is just too hard a thought to swallow isn't it. Claim back your life by telling the GD truth to yourself.
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They still use this line ?

Straight from the 9/11 shill handbook from back in 2003 .
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Re: Sandy Hook: What gunman took Kaitlin Roig's cellphone?
Magnificent theories! What happened was a maniac tragically killed innocent children. Honor them by filtering out sparing the BS theories...do you really believe what you are saying? You want to blame someone, anyone, any wild theory because accepting that in life things just happen is just too hard a thought to swallow isn't it. Claim back your life by telling the GD truth to yourself.
 Quoting: Nonextremetruth


This thread is about SHS teacher Kaitlin Roig's statement that a shooter took her phone. It is significant, because her phone was not found on Adam Lanza, nor anywhere in the school, and when the FBI pinged it, it pinged at a location possibly outside the school, even as far away as Apex Glass.

This may mean a shooter got away.

Secondly, in August 2013 parents of one deceased child called a meeting with police to as whether or not their child was one of the children taken to the hospital by ambulance.

The parents have been lied to, it's as simple as that. Lives of children in the future depend on an honest investigation.
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Re: Sandy Hook: What gunman took Kaitlin Roig's cellphone?
More from Vanghele on Roig:

"Meanwhile, Vanghele was among the officers who discovered a teacher and a group of students hiding in a classroom closet.

“She didn’t want to come out,” he said. “She didn’t believe we were cops. I put my badge underneath the door, and finally she came out, handed me a child."

[link to bangordailynews.com (secure)]
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More from Vanghele on Roig:

"Meanwhile, Vanghele was among the officers who discovered a teacher and a group of students hiding in a classroom closet.

“She didn’t want to come out,” he said. “She didn’t believe we were cops. I put my badge underneath the door, and finally she came out, handed me a child."

[link to bangordailynews.com (secure)]
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What he doesn't say, of course, is that even after showing her their badges and uniforms, she didn't come out and had to be physically extracted from the bathroom.
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Re: Sandy Hook: What gunman took Kaitlin Roig's cellphone?
More from Vanghele on Roig:

"Meanwhile, Vanghele was among the officers who discovered a teacher and a group of students hiding in a classroom closet.

“She didn’t want to come out,” he said. “She didn’t believe we were cops. I put my badge underneath the door, and finally she came out, handed me a child."

[link to bangordailynews.com (secure)]
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What he doesn't say, of course, is that even after showing her their badges and uniforms, she didn't come out and had to be physically extracted from the bathroom.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28283737


From that link....

"“I knew that I had to grab my two cops, we had to put a rifle in front, and we just had to go, go forward,” he said. “If I didn’t know how to do that, I would probably have been paralyzed with fear. I would not have known what to do.

“You could smell the gunpowder immediately,” he said. “Then, you start seeing bodies. As soon as we had gotten on scene, [Lanza] had killed himself already, which I know saved lives.”

The scene quickly became chaotic, Vanghele said. Initially, there was suspicion the shooter was lurking outside the school, though the person outside the school turned out to be a parent.

“Parents were showing up at the school because they were supposed to build gingerbread houses that day,” he said.

Within minutes, officers from the state police, FBI, ATF, U.S. Marshals Service and other agencies arrived on scene. Responders set up a triage area outside the school doors. Others set up an area at a nearby fire station where parents reunited with their children. And they cordoned off a designated area for the news media."


Winthin minutes the Sate, FBI ATF and US Marshalls Service were showing up? WHAT?

Within minites? Heck the cops don't show that fast. How the heck did they all get the so fast without foreknoledge? Are their offices right down the street?

Total BS
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Re: Sandy Hook: What gunman took Kaitlin Roig's cellphone?
Has anyone seen an interview w/Patrick Dragon yet?
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book 6 / 00073537.pdf
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Interesting read. Especially when someone yelled out "Second Shooter"
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Errr... "Second Gunman"
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Has anyone seen an interview w/Patrick Dragon yet?
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book 6 / 00073537.pdf
 Quoting: Fred 53301007


Interesting read. Especially when someone yelled out "Second Shooter"
 Quoting: Ericm 15486617


If Olivia Engel was the injured girl carried by Chapman out of Soto's room 10, then why did Dragon say he observed an officer running down the hallway with a child in his arms RIGHT AFTER he just left Room 10? At first I thought Dragon might have been talking about a cop carrying the injured boy, but HE was the one that did that.

Also, why the hell would Dragon re-enter the school through the broken window? Wouldn't you think that by this time the cops would have propped the front door open?
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Re: Sandy Hook: What gunman took Kaitlin Roig's cellphone?
Has anyone seen an interview w/Patrick Dragon yet?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28786524


book 6 / 00073537.pdf
 Quoting: Fred 53301007


Interesting read. Especially when someone yelled out "Second Shooter"
 Quoting: Ericm 15486617


If Olivia Engel was the injured girl carried by Chapman out of Soto's room 10, then why did Dragon say he observed an officer running down the hallway with a child in his arms RIGHT AFTER he just left Room 10? At first I thought Dragon might have been talking about a cop carrying the injured boy, but HE was the one that did that.

Also, why the hell would Dragon re-enter the school through the broken window? Wouldn't you think that by this time the cops would have propped the front door open?
 Quoting: Stickywicket


Probably the second girl, from Rouseeau's bathroom, who was likely put into an SUV or cruiser. The Courant reported (in one version of Cario's leak) that a wounded girl was taken from the bathroom and placed in a cruiser.
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If you're gullible enough to believe this "theory" you should question weather your next bowel movement was really from someone else.
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Re: Sandy Hook: What gunman took Kaitlin Roig's cellphone?
Hunting the elusive Roig phone.

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Mebbe it's on Vedat's roof.

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This house is right beside the Apex building. Was there a description of her phone, besides being a iPhone?
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Re: Sandy Hook: What gunman took Kaitlin Roig's cellphone?
Hunting the elusive Roig phone.

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Mebbe it's on Vedat's roof.

[link to columbian.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com]
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This house is right beside the Apex building. Was there a description of her phone, besides being a iPhone?
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Carrier was Sprint...

As far as I know we haven't established for certain it was an iPhone (though I could be wrong). The one report which seems to suggest hers is the iPhone is actually worded in such a way that it could be referring to the other teacher's missing phone. Who was that teacher, btw, and what's her story abt her phone being missing? Was hers (or, well, a small chance it's a "his") the first phone pinged? Roig's, reportedly, was pinged only after an officer heard another phone was being pinged and asked to have Roig's pinged as well.
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Re: Sandy Hook: What gunman took Kaitlin Roig's cellphone?
Notice that in NONE of the officer's statements do they mention from where or from whom the key to the bathroom (in Roig's room) was obtained ... No mention of getting it from Thorne, no mention of finding/grabbing a set of keys from the teacher's desk or even from the main office and trying a number of keys on that specific lock/bathroom before successfully opening it, etc.

If these kind of accounts were part of a court case, the immediate and logical question asked of that person recalling events is "Where/how did you get the key?" But these individuals don't feel the need to include that info into an investigative report.

It is similar to the key to the Lanza Honda trunk that allowed one trooper to place a gun into the trunk. In one responder's statement on that matter, the key had magically appeared on the front seat of the car so that the trunk could be opened.
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book 6 / 00073537.pdf
 Quoting: Fred 53301007


Interesting read. Especially when someone yelled out "Second Shooter"
 Quoting: Ericm 15486617


If Olivia Engel was the injured girl carried by Chapman out of Soto's room 10, then why did Dragon say he observed an officer running down the hallway with a child in his arms RIGHT AFTER he just left Room 10? At first I thought Dragon might have been talking about a cop carrying the injured boy, but HE was the one that did that.

Also, why the hell would Dragon re-enter the school through the broken window? Wouldn't you think that by this time the cops would have propped the front door open?
 Quoting: Stickywicket


Probably the second girl, from Rouseeau's bathroom, who was likely put into an SUV or cruiser. The Courant reported (in one version of Cario's leak) that a wounded girl was taken from the bathroom and placed in a cruiser.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25632657


So Chapman was supposed to have carried TWO girls out? One from Soto's room and one from Rousseau's?
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Interesting read. Especially when someone yelled out "Second Shooter"
 Quoting: Ericm 15486617


If Olivia Engel was the injured girl carried by Chapman out of Soto's room 10, then why did Dragon say he observed an officer running down the hallway with a child in his arms RIGHT AFTER he just left Room 10? At first I thought Dragon might have been talking about a cop carrying the injured boy, but HE was the one that did that.

Also, why the hell would Dragon re-enter the school through the broken window? Wouldn't you think that by this time the cops would have propped the front door open?
 Quoting: Stickywicket


Probably the second girl, from Rouseeau's bathroom, who was likely put into an SUV or cruiser. The Courant reported (in one version of Cario's leak) that a wounded girl was taken from the bathroom and placed in a cruiser.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25632657


So Chapman was supposed to have carried TWO girls out? One from Soto's room and one from Rousseau's?
 Quoting: Stickywicket


According to Cario's leak to the Courant, he and Dragon each carried at least one child out of Rousseau's bathroom "to a waiting cruiser, which whisked them to Danbury Hospital." In one version of the article (there were three total versions), a girl was specifically listed as being taken out of Rousseau's bathroom by these two officers. The final version of the article changed it back to "children."

Compounding this issue for me is the feeling I've always had that the girl in the Chapman photo looks a bit more like AMG. But it's hard to tell.

At any rate, Trooper Dragon is still listed in the article as having removed a child from Rousseau's bathroom; it seems Cario carried the boy (although still not entirely clear), so I suppose that means Trooper Dragon carried a girl at some point.

There is something up with the extra child or children. I know it's explained away as the SUV simply taking them from the scene to the FD, where they were loaded into ambulances, but there are an awful lot of references to that SUV going to Danbury with patients on board.


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