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Sandy Hook: What gunman took Kaitlin Roig's cellphone?

 
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So, the hunt for Roig's phone, Book 6, 00003242.

While trying to locate Roig's phone--unspecified as to whether cops had called it yet--a phone is heard "pinging" (possibly typo for "ringing") in an area away from the school.

FBI SA Brogan then used equipment in his car to determine that Roig's phone, specifically, was located within 32 meters of the school, "most likely still inside the school, or very close to it."

The location of Roig's phone is potentially very important. If it's inside the school, she could have just left it behind and is freaking someone will find her call to her old flame (or other things). Or, of course, a gunman really could have taken it and dropped it in the school.

If it's outside the school, it matters a LOT where exactly it is outside the school. If it's between the school and the FD, fine--Roig could have dropped it. And a second gunaman could have still dropped it there somehow, too (maybe Manfredonia was running with Roig's phone--kidding).

But if it's *anywhere* else except between SHS and the FD, that becomes interesting, because there's no indication Roig did anything but hide in the bathroom and then get lead straight to the FD. If it's outside the building in any area except the parking lot, or if it's in any hallway but Roig's, that's a problem.

Somewhere in the NPD audio that day is a transmission by an officer about "possible evidence behind the school." I think someone said that might be a black bag, but it's never mentioned in the audio; could also be the phone.
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One other angle on the phone:

You see many people around the firehous and on the scene constantly checking their phones. If you take the position that this was a drill and that certain situations are timed, the "actors" would really be reliant on their phones. So possibly Roig was worried that important "info" might fall into the wrong hands?
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So, the hunt for Roig's phone, Book 6, 00003242.

While trying to locate Roig's phone--unspecified as to whether cops had called it yet--a phone is heard "pinging" (possibly typo for "ringing") in an area away from the school.

FBI SA Brogan then used equipment in his car to determine that Roig's phone, specifically, was located within 32 meters of the school, "most likely still inside the school, or very close to it."

The location of Roig's phone is potentially very important. If it's inside the school, she could have just left it behind and is freaking someone will find her call to her old flame (or other things). Or, of course, a gunman really could have taken it and dropped it in the school.

If it's outside the school, it matters a LOT where exactly it is outside the school. If it's between the school and the FD, fine--Roig could have dropped it. And a second gunaman could have still dropped it there somehow, too (maybe Manfredonia was running with Roig's phone--kidding).

But if it's *anywhere* else except between SHS and the FD, that becomes interesting, because there's no indication Roig did anything but hide in the bathroom and then get lead straight to the FD. If it's outside the building in any area except the parking lot, or if it's in any hallway but Roig's, that's a problem.

Somewhere in the NPD audio that day is a transmission by an officer about "possible evidence behind the school." I think someone said that might be a black bag, but it's never mentioned in the audio; could also be the phone.
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One other angle on the phone:

You see many people around the firehous and on the scene constantly checking their phones. If you take the position that this was a drill and that certain situations are timed, the "actors" would really be reliant on their phones. So possibly Roig was worried that important "info" might fall into the wrong hands?
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Yes, I agree that would definitely be a worry if so. One of my earliest thoughts on Sandy Hook was wondering why so many people's faces were buried in their phones. I just don't think that seems realistic, without further explanation--I think my face would be up, looking around frantically, all of us searching each others' faces and asking desperately if they'd seen our child or our friend's child, where everyone was, etc.
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I wish we knew what information the parents were immediately given. It seems as if it's almost exclusively moms with their faces perpetually staring at their phones. If, for example, word was spreading that some kind of notification was going to be given via school emergency text system, I guess I could see them glued to the phone, but it still seems too much.
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One other angle on the phone:

You see many people around the firehous and on the scene constantly checking their phones. If you take the position that this was a drill and that certain situations are timed, the "actors" would really be reliant on their phones. So possibly Roig was worried that important "info" might fall into the wrong hands?
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Brilliant. ::smacks own head:: Of course! Watch the firehouse people - half of them are looking at the Iphone (everybody has an Iphone there for some reason). I was thinking to myself they must be reading some script and waiting for their cues to go do this or that.

If the phone ended up in the wrong hands it would be disastrous and expose the whole friggin thing! That's why you send a dozen heavily armed storm troopers out looking for some ditzy blonde's phone.

Thanks Sticky, that is singularly one of the most damning conclusions I've read and the simplicity of it is the proof in the pudding as it were.

One more thing: If parents were "anxiously" waiting at the firehouse for their children wouldn't every last one of them be staring up Dickinson drive looking for their beloved child? I know I would. Their milling around the firehouse makes no sense in context with the event.

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Also, we know Roig called Vest, the man claiming to be her old boyfriend now living in Florida, possibly on that phone.

Whether it was a drill or real event, I highly doubt it called for engaged teachers to call old flames and tell them everything that was happening.
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Here are the documents pertaining to this Vest individual so far:

00098615-RoigTalkedAboutRousseauKey

In this document, a friend of Vest tells Newtown police that Vest spoke with Roig, and that Roig informed Vest she heard shots, and that a substitute teacher in the second classroom was "fumbling for a key in an emergency folder."

The second document is:

00098624-RoigTalksToFormerCustodianVestWhoFliesBack

Vest calls Newtown and tells them he's flying to Connecticut to see Roig; upon arrival, NPD tell him that since they've already received his statement via phone, they don't need to interview him.

There's a third document somewhere regarding "a male who claims to be XXXX's boyfriend and his flying back to see her; he's aware she's engaged, and she's aware he's coming." Will try to find.
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Here are the documents pertaining to this Vest individual so far:

00098615-RoigTalkedAboutRousseauKey

In this document, a friend of Vest tells Newtown police that Vest spoke with Roig, and that Roig informed Vest she heard shots, and that a substitute teacher in the second classroom was "fumbling for a key in an emergency folder."

The second document is:

00098624-RoigTalksToFormerCustodianVestWhoFliesBack

Vest calls Newtown and tells them he's flying to Connecticut to see Roig; upon arrival, NPD tell him that since they've already received his statement via phone, they don't need to interview him.

There's a third document somewhere regarding "a male who claims to be XXXX's boyfriend and his flying back to see her; he's aware she's engaged, and she's aware he's coming." Will try to find.
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There's a third document somewhere regarding "a male who claims to be XXXX's boyfriend and his flying back to see her; he's aware she's engaged, and she's aware he's coming." Will try to find.
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CFS1200704559, Book 8, PDF 00006266 I believe.

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Re: Sandy Hook: What gunman took Kaitlin Roig's cellphone?
Well, check this out.

Roig's phone was potentially pinged at Apex Glass Company:

00011399-BellStatementBackpacksCellphone

Apex Glass Company would be smack in the path of a direct beeline from Sandy Hook School, via the school woods, to the bridge entering Rocky Glen National Park.

[link to oi44.tinypic.com]

This makes the concept of an ATV getaway plausible again.

It was Robert Hoagland's friend who mentioned she heard "the shooters got away on an ATV," and I've never seen it mentioned by anyone else. Of course as we know, Hoagland is missing (and lives near the park).
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There's a third document somewhere regarding "a male who claims to be XXXX's boyfriend and his flying back to see her; he's aware she's engaged, and she's aware he's coming." Will try to find.
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CFS1200704559, Book 8, PDF 00006266 I believe.
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Excellent--thanks!
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Well, check this out.

Roig's phone was potentially pinged at Apex Glass Company:

00011399-BellStatementBackpacksCellphone

Apex Glass Company would be smack in the path of a direct beeline from Sandy Hook School, via the school woods, to the bridge entering Rocky Glen National Park.

[link to oi44.tinypic.com]

This makes the concept of an ATV getaway plausible again.

It was Robert Hoagland's friend who mentioned she heard "the shooters got away on an ATV," and I've never seen it mentioned by anyone else. Of course as we know, Hoagland is missing (and lives near the park).
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Now look at the map again, and put this in context with the report by someone walking her search-trained dog at 10a.m. on a property that "borders the firehouse." She said her dog "alerted," meaning he had caught a human scent.

She further stated that in the past she has known XXXXXX to be used by parties as an escape route from the area (!) and believed that someone involved in the shootings may have cut through the property on foot.

Declaring a particular property to be "known" as an escape route is a pretty odd statement, and would imo have to apply to a significant property. I think we can see that one of the most significant properties this could possibly apply to is Rocky Glen State Park.

While Rocky Glen itself doesn't technically begin until you cross the bridge, there is an extension of adjoining woods leading from the school-side of the bridge to Riverside Rd, right by the firehouse.
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Finally, factor in the police audio stating that a police K9 was pulling hard into the school woods.

There is a directly line between the police K9 alert, the Apex Glass property where the cellphone pings, a wooded area possibly matching the area where a civilian witness's K9 alerted, and the very-necessary bridge crossing a river into Rocky Glen National Park.

From the park, you could come out in multiple directions, not having been seen for quite some time.
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Here's a graphic showing these spots marked:

[link to oi40.tinypic.com]

Roig has always been a hotbutton issue. Is it because of her phone? A gunman taking her phone in the direction of Apex Glass is huge; a gunman simply taking her phone at all is huge.

Manfredonia has always been a hotbutton issue. Whoever was by the dumpsters could likely have seen a guy crashing through the woods right next to the dumpsters, or even driving an ATV through the woods. Maybe that's why so much effort was directed toward mis-identifying the dumpster parent(s).

The ATV Getaway theory was obviously a hotbutton issue, which I believe was the thread or one of the threads drawing PlasMan--someone privy to the briefings, and therefore likely an eastern district cop--to the discussion. I take no credit for that assessment of PlasMan's identity, btw, someone else suggested it.

Roig's phone is big, any way you look at it. Even if it's not Roig's phone (someone else's lost phone??) the Apex Glass phone is big.
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Here's a graphic showing these spots marked:

[link to oi40.tinypic.com]

Roig has always been a hotbutton issue. Is it because of her phone? A gunman taking her phone in the direction of Apex Glass is huge; a gunman simply taking her phone at all is huge.

Manfredonia has always been a hotbutton issue. Whoever was by the dumpsters could likely have seen a guy crashing through the woods right next to the dumpsters, or even driving an ATV through the woods. Maybe that's why so much effort was directed toward mis-identifying the dumpster parent(s).

The ATV Getaway theory was obviously a hotbutton issue, which I believe was the thread or one of the threads drawing PlasMan--someone privy to the briefings, and therefore likely an eastern district cop--to the discussion. I take no credit for that assessment of PlasMan's identity, btw, someone else suggested it.

Roig's phone is big, any way you look at it. Even if it's not Roig's phone (someone else's lost phone??) the Apex Glass phone is big.
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And don't forget that the Manfredonias and Hoaglands work together in the school system; entirely possible Hoaglands heard directly from Manfredonias about a guy or guys escaping through the woods.

I need to find that reference to the police K9 pulling hard into the woods; the NPD transcription stops just short of it, I believe.
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I've seen PlasMan (under other monikers) on other topics, though, here, so I personally tend to go with the theory that he was given a copy of the report, by Sedensky's office, in order to guide public opinion and asses public reaction.

But that kind of thing could easily lead my less-conspiratorially-minded colleague to mistake Plas for a cop.
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Do they routinely use sms/text messaging in fema drills?
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My old method of speech reversals gave me(imo) some insights into Sandy Hook, but recently and accidently i have come across a new technique that has brought forward a lot more info to me and I will share here for what it is worth.

I have already stated that kids (possibly babies as i hear the age group of one was 2) were brought in for the purpose of abuse and one girl was taken outside the building and died who is connected to man in the woods

Adam (assuming that's his name) 'waited for school for school to be out'There was no forced entry he just pushed the doors open. Halstead I hear say on 911 call 'he was already here'
'he locked us out' 911 audio Roig?
operator says 'get the better of him'
later i hear 'he's outsmarted us' (although i do believe they finally get him but not totally certain)
Multiple sources I hear about a wet hallway and a fire lt that was put out

Abused kids 8 girls
2 women (possibly one other Adam?)
They burned the bodies after (heard this from a lot of people)
Bodies defiled

Roig had a gun
She is a male (I think)
A very 'scary' person feared by the children

May have taken photos of children hence the cell phone connection
child victim bitten on arm or armpit

Rick Thorne referred to as a 'gay pedo'
'I'm Ted'
'I've come packing it'
I was born here'
'I'm the courier'
'you know I'm having fun'
I murder, I not hung now'
Dots together perhaps in prison and a deal made

All above is imo
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A few details to add to above, Roig was a shooter
I said 8 girls abused and killed, 2 boys possibly also
Sally Cox saw his mother too
Sally cox may have been locked in, the closet she calls the play room, sounds like an area made specifically out for the children they keep
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Do they routinely use sms/text messaging in fema drills?
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Good question.
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As far as someone being able to make it to the park entrance on foot in short order, Varga and company made it to the Subway quickly enough. The distance really isn't very prohibitive.

See Thread: Did one of Sandy Hook shooters escape on an ATV? for excruciating minutiae regarding distances (and a review of PlasMan's involvement).
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Do they routinely use sms/text messaging in fema drills?
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I think it's a little hard to use it as a touchstone, since so many individual services (school notification, weather notification, emergency notifications) use text alerts.

But if you're asking whether drills use an extra "drill only" set of messages, that would be a good question.

Would kind of defeat the purpose of the drill, though; the purpose of the drill is to test the system as-is.

So if you go to documents showing preparation for a regional emergency drill, for example, they might talk about using "the regional emergency notification system" during the drill. But that's because in a real situation, this system would be used.

But maybe you're asking whether in a drill text messages would be marked in some way, i.e. "THIS IS A DRILL" after each text? I would think that would be likely.
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I mean, for all we know, the accused "shooter" was someone enraged over plans to subject students and staff to a drill they didn't know was coming, and he tried to escape with evidence.
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I still want to know if Rocky Glen was searched, and if not, why not.
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Here's a graphic showing these spots marked:

[link to oi40.tinypic.com]

Roig has always been a hotbutton issue. Is it because of her phone? A gunman taking her phone in the direction of Apex Glass is huge; a gunman simply taking her phone at all is huge.

Manfredonia has always been a hotbutton issue. Whoever was by the dumpsters could likely have seen a guy crashing through the woods right next to the dumpsters, or even driving an ATV through the woods. Maybe that's why so much effort was directed toward mis-identifying the dumpster parent(s).

The ATV Getaway theory was obviously a hotbutton issue, which I believe was the thread or one of the threads drawing PlasMan--someone privy to the briefings, and therefore likely an eastern district cop--to the discussion. I take no credit for that assessment of PlasMan's identity, btw, someone else suggested it.

Roig's phone is big, any way you look at it. Even if it's not Roig's phone (someone else's lost phone??) the Apex Glass phone is big.
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And don't forget that the Manfredonias and Hoaglands work together in the school system; entirely possible Hoaglands heard directly from Manfredonias about a guy or guys escaping through the woods.

I need to find that reference to the police K9 pulling hard into the woods; the NPD transcription stops just short of it, I believe.
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Almost forgot - Deb Pisani's son, Justin, took Culinary Arts from Lori Hoagland.

I've always wondered, with the whole "son of a Kindergarten teacher" thing and all, why Justin has never been considered in this. Granted, visually/vocationally he doesn't immediately present as suspicious an option as the Vollmers.
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So, regarding the Hoagland/Hoagland-friend possible witness:

Back when we first started talking about Hoagland's disappearance possibly being connected to the case, and AC posted this, which I only noticed now:

"I think it was 56 (?) riverside. There's several pieces of video of cops surrounding a white house. It's also where you see 2 people emerging from the woods carrying some heavy bag.
Trying to check that address but the Newtown map won't open. hmmmm!"

Thread: Sandy Hook resident Robert Hoagland missing; possibly connected to case (Page 3)

Now, (no offence AC), I think people swoop in sometimes to harness the energy of a thread but steer it in a different direction. I.e. drawing the addresses away from the direction of Rocky Glen, which seems to be a sensitive issue.

But 56 Riverside is Roy Low's place; just looked it up for the first time:

[link to www.vgsi.com]

Given that Roy Low is an important witness to the guy in the woods, I'm wondering if that AC was a cop/investigator trying to turn our interest onto Roy and see what we could dig up.

Or, maybe cops were already raiding Roy, given his statement.

Of course, we don't really know at this point whether (as the AC admitted) that was actually the address; but it would be odd to pull Roy Low's address out of the air by accident.
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Look at the difference in physical quality between Kaitlin Roig's statement (Book 5, 00005509) and others. There are several police reports I've found so far which seem to be a direct copy of the digital original, i.e. are in color and exhibit excellent type quality, as opposed to being printed out and otherwise degraded.
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Look at the difference in physical quality between Kaitlin Roig's statement (Book 5, 00005509) and others. There are several police reports I've found so far which seem to be a direct copy of the digital original, i.e. are in color and exhibit excellent type quality, as opposed to being printed out and otherwise degraded.
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This is literally the first instance in which, instead of retyping the dang thing, I've been able to just select, copy, and paste:

"In summary, Roig related that the construction paper covering the window on her classroom door had been left in place from a prior practice lock down drill. That she originally believed that her personal cellular telephone was taken from her room, presumably by someone entering her room
and then leaving her classroom door open. However, in hindsight, Roig was not certain that she had actually seen her classroom door open after closing it. That in not being able to locate her phone, she may have assumed that it was open, associating that with someone entering her
classroom and taking her phone. Roig recalled that the interior classroom door, which leads to the adjoining classroom, was closed and not locked. With regard to the sound of gunfire, she did not recall any specific breaks or pauses and described it to be more alike an ongoing event."
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Look at the difference in physical quality between Kaitlin Roig's statement (Book 5, 00005509) and others. There are several police reports I've found so far which seem to be a direct copy of the digital original, i.e. are in color and exhibit excellent type quality, as opposed to being printed out and otherwise degraded.
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This is literally the first instance in which, instead of retyping the dang thing, I've been able to just select, copy, and paste:

"In summary, Roig related that the construction paper covering the window on her classroom door had been left in place from a prior practice lock down drill. That she originally believed that her personal cellular telephone was taken from her room, presumably by someone entering her room
and then leaving her classroom door open. However, in hindsight, Roig was not certain that she had actually seen her classroom door open after closing it. That in not being able to locate her phone, she may have assumed that it was open, associating that with someone entering her
classroom and taking her phone. Roig recalled that the interior classroom door, which leads to the adjoining classroom, was closed and not locked. With regard to the sound of gunfire, she did not recall any specific breaks or pauses and described it to be more alike an ongoing event."
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Given that Roig called 911 multiple times (and you can hear the kids with her), how and when exactly did some guy take her phone, and how did it end up at Apex Glass??
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O/T but thought this seems interesting.

Saw a Progressive Insurance commercial and the young girl in it, Aubrey K. Miller, looks very much like the young girl interviewed day of shooting.

Aubrey K Miller commercial

[link to www.progressive.com]

Alexis interviewed day of shooting

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She does look a lot like Alexis lol.
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So, regarding the Hoagland/Hoagland-friend possible witness:

Back when we first started talking about Hoagland's disappearance possibly being connected to the case, and AC posted this, which I only noticed now:

"I think it was 56 (?) riverside. There's several pieces of video of cops surrounding a white house. It's also where you see 2 people emerging from the woods carrying some heavy bag.

But 56 Riverside is Roy Low's place; just looked it up for the first time:

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3 things I'd like to address here:
1) the footage of the 2 people coming out the woods.
2) The K9 "hit" mentioned in the report and
3) Possible ATV escape routes.

1) The address of the white house is more like 6 Riverside, on the stretch between Apex glass the corner of Washington - all of which were searched during the search for Roig's phone.

2) The K9 hit on property that adjoins the firehouse - that excludes Roy Low (who lives further down Riverside) but the back end of the Firehouse property butts up to Treadwell park.

3) Looking over the Newtown map I did notice ATV trails going through the woods in the area between the school, Treadwell park and Riverside and Philo Curtis Roads.

In fact, you can easily make out on the 2007 color map or the 2002 B&W map where ATVs have been running though the woods and crossing the swampy parts.

Newtown Map (not google) [link to maps.newtown-ct.gov]

Find the baseball diamond to the east of the school then keep going East - you'll see the trails especially where they cross the stream.

One of them is very distinct and can be followed to 48 Riverside drive which belongs to a Mark Reid. The trails do go all over so it would have been easy to disappear in those woods and pop out anywhere on Riverside or Philo Curtis they wanted to.

Everyone keeps talking about Rocky Glen but that would require crossing 2 busy roads to get to. Treadwell is right next to the school making a getaway much easier.

Last Edited by FlashBuzzkill on 01/20/2014 03:47 PM
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