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Anonymous Coward User ID: 54629843 United States 02/20/2014 12:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Slightly OT, but something to note: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36903391 Mrs. D'Amato's Substitute Plan "documented from 9:00 am-9:15 am-morning work, 9:20-9:30 Morning Meeting, and 9:30-1015-Writing." (00118939.pdf, pg. 43) Shoot, that file isn't in Book 6; it's the scene report. I notice that on Ms. D'Amato's door (Walkley) there are I believe three teachers listed--one looks like "Wink" possibly? Have to look again. Wondering if this individual was in the room that day. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36903391 United States 02/20/2014 12:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | for point 8, i think there is misunderstanding. maybe from the cop too. a ping give a distance from a point = circle. the phone could be anywhere on this circle. ( see red circle) first ping [link to i56.servimg.com] second ping: [link to i56.servimg.com] if in the first ping the phone could be near Apex building... at the second ping it cant! Shouldn't her phone have been found, then? |
Fred User ID: 53301007 Switzerland 02/20/2014 12:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | for point 8, i think there is misunderstanding. maybe from the cop too. a ping give a distance from a point = circle. the phone could be anywhere on this circle. ( see red circle) first ping [link to i56.servimg.com] second ping: [link to i56.servimg.com] if in the first ping the phone could be near Apex building... at the second ping it cant! Shouldn't her phone have been found, then? if we believe the final report, no. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 54629843 United States 02/20/2014 01:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Unless perhaps they did, and PlasMan was just getting creative with reality. But I haven't found a single mention of the park yet in any of the reports. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 54629843 United States 02/20/2014 01:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You know, this puts police response in an interesting light. Think about this: Newown cops know the area best. But, being first on scene, they're probably inside the school, and staying there. State cops don't know the area necessarily, yet they're canvassing the neighborhood. Maybe there should be (or is already?) a protocol calling for local cops to deal with area features they know well (such as parks, bridges, trails) in sussing out where an escaped murderer might go. Did CSP cops know, for example, that the bridge to a densely wooded state park was very nearby, and on a trajectory that continued from the school, to a K9 track from the school and into the woods, and from the woods to the site of a phone ping? One report said the phone was pinging "inside Apex Glass." That's three points along a straight line, then, and that line continues right to the bridge. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36903391 United States 02/20/2014 02:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I just find it insane that they have a missing phone, a search dog alerting in a nearby wooded area, and a phone pinging away from the school (it may be in the school, but it's just as possible it is not), and no one takes the search further? Considering that phone is said to be in the hands of one of the shooters?? To not search the nearby, densely-wooded state park is just insane, in my book. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54629843 Unless perhaps they did, and PlasMan was just getting creative with reality. But I haven't found a single mention of the park yet in any of the reports. Actually, apparently there was a rather large search, at least according to some documents I found in Book 3. These are from timelines that are based upon what recorded on police cruiser dash cams. Book 3, 00054837.pdf 12:09:14 Troopers gather with LT (MSGT) Davis #053 to prepare for search for Kaitlin Roig's cell phone. Book 3, 00055705.pdf 12:07:56 LT (MSGT) Davis and large group of Troopers gather to discuss the search for Kaitlin Roig's cell phone. 12:19:18 LT (MSGT) Davis sends Troopers out on a search for Kaitlin Roig's cell phone. Book 3, 00056732.pdf 12:09:00 LT (MSGT) Davis gathers with large group of troopers prior to search for Kaitlin Roig's (teacher in room 12) cell phone. It appears that no other significant events were documented from the dash cam videos after the search began. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 54499838 United States 02/20/2014 04:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I just find it insane that they have a missing phone, a search dog alerting in a nearby wooded area, and a phone pinging away from the school (it may be in the school, but it's just as possible it is not), and no one takes the search further? Considering that phone is said to be in the hands of one of the shooters?? To not search the nearby, densely-wooded state park is just insane, in my book. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54629843 Unless perhaps they did, and PlasMan was just getting creative with reality. But I haven't found a single mention of the park yet in any of the reports. Actually, apparently there was a rather large search, at least according to some documents I found in Book 3. These are from timelines that are based upon what recorded on police cruiser dash cams. Book 3, 00054837.pdf 12:09:14 Troopers gather with LT (MSGT) Davis #053 to prepare for search for Kaitlin Roig's cell phone. Book 3, 00055705.pdf 12:07:56 LT (MSGT) Davis and large group of Troopers gather to discuss the search for Kaitlin Roig's cell phone. 12:19:18 LT (MSGT) Davis sends Troopers out on a search for Kaitlin Roig's cell phone. Book 3, 00056732.pdf 12:09:00 LT (MSGT) Davis gathers with large group of troopers prior to search for Kaitlin Roig's (teacher in room 12) cell phone. It appears that no other significant events were documented from the dash cam videos after the search began. Oh I definitely agree with you that they searched for the phone (and thank you for gathering those refs, btw); just don't understand how the manhunt, especially, did not take the nearby national forest into account. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36903391 United States 02/20/2014 04:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I merged the files in each book into single documents for easier searching, so I've now searched basically the whole report (I believe, anyway), and I can't find anything that says that they ever found Roig's phone. I also now strongly believe that it was Roig's phone that they thought was pinging at the glass company. 00028219.pdf - TRP Gregg Shortly after rallying with TFC Christopher Kick #811 and TFC McGeever in the lot, TFC Bennechi and I were instructed by LT Davis to fall in on him. LT Davis relayed that Troop A had pinged a cell phone belonging to one of the victims and that its possible location was a glass company on Riverside Rd. I retrieved my rifle, formed up with TFC McGeever, TFC Bell, TFC Bennechi, and TPR Edward Vayan #1182, and headed to that location. Upon arrival, we cleared the building and surrounding area and found no signs of a suspect. We then headed back towards the scene on Dickinson Dr. Also, a few teachers asked the police to prove their identities, but this was how Roig reacted when the police showed up: 00122964.pdf - TFC Faughnan Tpr. Poach and I entered the classn?om and I approached a closed door in the corner which was block with a bookshelf. As Tpr. Poach posted on the door, I moved the bookshelf and ordered the individual(s) out of the closet and identifying myself as a State Trooper. After several verbal attempts, I attempted to open the door and observed the door handle was locked. I asked a tall police officer from an unknown town for his badge so that it could be slide under the door, so that the individual(s) would know we were the police. I received a master key; I was kneeling, Tpr. Poach was posted over me and the unknown officer was against the wall. I unlocked the door handle, as I attempted to push the door open it was forced close, the Unknown officer held the door open once I was able to push it open. When the door opened I observed numerous children in a small bathroom with a blonde female teacher holding the children back. The teacher began to yell at me "You're not the police, I don't believe you", she repeated this several times·and which time Tpr. Poach grabbed a couple of children and the others followed. As the children exited the bathroom they were passed off to the officers and escorted out of the classroom. I stayed kneeling and the teacher stayed motionless against the bathroom wall, continuously repeating "You're not the police, I don't believe you". Once the last child exited the bathroom I reached in and grabbed the teacher, later identified as Kaitlin Roig and she became hysterical and I physically escorted Roig from the school exiting through a classroom door at the XXX corner. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36903391 United States 02/20/2014 04:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I merged the files in each book into single documents for easier searching, so I've now searched basically the whole report (I believe, anyway), and I can't find anything that says that they ever found Roig's phone. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36903391 I also now strongly believe that it was Roig's phone that they thought was pinging at the glass company. 00028219.pdf - TRP Gregg Shortly after rallying with TFC Christopher Kick #811 and TFC McGeever in the lot, TFC Bennechi and I were instructed by LT Davis to fall in on him. LT Davis relayed that Troop A had pinged a cell phone belonging to one of the victims and that its possible location was a glass company on Riverside Rd. I retrieved my rifle, formed up with TFC McGeever, TFC Bell, TFC Bennechi, and TPR Edward Vayan #1182, and headed to that location. Upon arrival, we cleared the building and surrounding area and found no signs of a suspect. We then headed back towards the scene on Dickinson Dr. Also, a few teachers asked the police to prove their identities, but this was how Roig reacted when the police showed up: 00122964.pdf - TFC Faughnan Tpr. Poach and I entered the classn?om and I approached a closed door in the corner which was block with a bookshelf. As Tpr. Poach posted on the door, I moved the bookshelf and ordered the individual(s) out of the closet and identifying myself as a State Trooper. After several verbal attempts, I attempted to open the door and observed the door handle was locked. I asked a tall police officer from an unknown town for his badge so that it could be slide under the door, so that the individual(s) would know we were the police. I received a master key; I was kneeling, Tpr. Poach was posted over me and the unknown officer was against the wall. I unlocked the door handle, as I attempted to push the door open it was forced close, the Unknown officer held the door open once I was able to push it open. When the door opened I observed numerous children in a small bathroom with a blonde female teacher holding the children back. The teacher began to yell at me "You're not the police, I don't believe you", she repeated this several times·and which time Tpr. Poach grabbed a couple of children and the others followed. As the children exited the bathroom they were passed off to the officers and escorted out of the classroom. I stayed kneeling and the teacher stayed motionless against the bathroom wall, continuously repeating "You're not the police, I don't believe you". Once the last child exited the bathroom I reached in and grabbed the teacher, later identified as Kaitlin Roig and she became hysterical and I physically escorted Roig from the school exiting through a classroom door at the XXX corner. The above quotes are from Book 6 |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 36903391 United States 02/20/2014 07:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Roig hid her class really well Book 6, 00026724.pdf - SGT Cario It is my impression that this was my first time being in Room #12. On a first sweep I did not find anything on the east side of the room. I then heard a noise from the southwest corner of the room and recognized that a wheeled bookcase was likely concealing a bathroom. I froze when I heard the noise and Lt Vangheli looked at me. I moved toward the bookcase announcing "State Police." I pulled the bookcase aside and exposed the bathroom door. I could hear children talking and continued calling to them. An adult female voice asked for a badge. I couldn't get to my badge, but Lt Vangheli pulled his off and it was passed under the door. One of the children said "It is the police" after the badge went under the door. The female voice then said something about us needing a key to get into the room. I tried to talk her into opening the door as one of the members of the CSP ESU ran out to find a key. I believe this ESU trooper was TFC Faughnan. After telling us to get a key, the bathroom became very quiet and I became suspicious that something was wrong. TFC Faughnan arrived with a key which he handed to me. I was so anxious that I bent the key in the lock. I was able to push the door in only a few inches before there was resistance. I realized that the children were packed so tightJy into the bathroom that I could not open the door. Most of the children in the bathroom appeared to be frightened and were crying. I had to squeeze the children out of the bathroom one by one and passed them off to waiting police officers and troopers. The last one out of the bathroom was the teacher, Kaitlin Roig. She was very emotional and I had to persuade her to come out. The troopers and officers then worked together to get the children out of the building as a group. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 7659535 United States 02/20/2014 07:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "TFC Faughnan arrived with a key which he handed to me. I was so anxious that I bent the key in the lock. I was able to push the door in only a few inches before there was resistance. I realized that the children were packed so tightJy into the bathroom that I could not open the door." He had to push the door "in"???? How the hell did she get all the kids in the tiny cramped room and then close the door behind them?! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36903391 United States 02/20/2014 08:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He had to push the door "in"???? How the hell did she get all the kids in the tiny cramped room and then close the door behind them?! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7659535 Sorry, I don't know exactly which file this is in atm because I combined all the files into a few large files, but this is from Roig's second interview, which was with TFC Peters on 4/25. Roig stated that she told her kids to get into the bathroom. She had 15 students that day, one was absent. Roig stated that the children initially placed themselves into the bathroom. When she came in, Roig stated that she put the littlest one on the toilet paper dispenser for a moment and held her there with one arm as she moved the kids around. Roig stated that she picked up two or three children and placed them behind the door because she could not close it. At one point, there were 5-6 kids standing on the toilet, all at once, so she could make room, and only one child remained there the whole time. Roig stated that she stood along the wall near the toilet paper dispenser, across from the door, and she told the children in front of her to crouch down. Roig stated that she locked the door and left the light on. Prior to closing the door, Roig stated that she pulled the wheeled bookshelf in front of the door. |
Stickywicket User ID: 18768705 Canada 02/20/2014 08:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He had to push the door "in"???? How the hell did she get all the kids in the tiny cramped room and then close the door behind them?! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7659535 Sorry, I don't know exactly which file this is in atm because I combined all the files into a few large files, but this is from Roig's second interview, which was with TFC Peters on 4/25. Roig stated that she told her kids to get into the bathroom. She had 15 students that day, one was absent. Roig stated that the children initially placed themselves into the bathroom. When she came in, Roig stated that she put the littlest one on the toilet paper dispenser for a moment and held her there with one arm as she moved the kids around. Roig stated that she picked up two or three children and placed them behind the door because she could not close it. At one point, there were 5-6 kids standing on the toilet, all at once, so she could make room, and only one child remained there the whole time. Roig stated that she stood along the wall near the toilet paper dispenser, across from the door, and she told the children in front of her to crouch down. Roig stated that she locked the door and left the light on. Prior to closing the door, Roig stated that she pulled the wheeled bookshelf in front of the door. I don't know since I haven't actually seen in the inside of the bathroom, but all of this does not seem even remotely possible. |
Stickywicket User ID: 18768705 Canada 02/20/2014 08:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Forgot a few. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54629843 1. She takes picture of sunrise (ostensibly w/phone). 2. She and kids run into bathroom without her phone 3. She dashes for phone during lull and can't find it (a late-developing memory) 4. She leaves a message (with some phone) on her fiance's voicemail 5. She calls 911 somehow 6. She calls Vest--unknown if during or after event, but on 12/14 best we can tell 7. She borrows a phone at some point (anyone have this citation?) 8. She tells cops her phone was taken by a gunman 9. Her phone is pinged halfway to Rocky Glen 10. Her phone magically deactivates itself 11. Her sunrise picture is shown in the news (either that or a stock photo was posed as being hers) 12. There's no mention of her phone ever being found, so far 13. All the while, a perfectly good Blackberry was hanging out a few feet away 14. Courant runs story saying Roig called 911 from the Rm 12 landline 15. Courant retracts that point saying the call "did not come from Roig's room" 16. Report is released showing that the above call did indeed likely come from that room--but not from the landline, from...a cellphone. Oy. Good summary. Thanks. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 54629843 United States 02/21/2014 12:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "TFC Faughnan arrived with a key which he handed to me. I was so anxious that I bent the key in the lock. I was able to push the door in only a few inches before there was resistance. I realized that the children were packed so tightJy into the bathroom that I could not open the door." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7659535 He had to push the door "in"???? How the hell did she get all the kids in the tiny cramped room and then close the door behind them?! Obviously you've never gotten in trouble as a child stuffing things into things ;) It's quite easy to keep stuffing into a room/object whose entryway opens into the space; quite hard, on the other hand, to reverse the procedure. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36903391 United States 02/21/2014 12:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've read a few different accounts of the rescue of Roig's class now, and I'm rather amused by the fact that each officer present seems to have cast himself as the main hero in the story in the reports. I don't think that means anything particularly significant; it's just funny. |
KPM User ID: 34763230 United States 02/22/2014 08:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Roig hid her class really well Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36903391 Book 6, 00026724.pdf - SGT Cario It is my impression that this was my first time being in Room #12. On a first sweep I did not find anything on the east side of the room. I then heard a noise from the southwest corner of the room and recognized that a wheeled bookcase was likely concealing a bathroom. I froze when I heard the noise and Lt Vangheli looked at me. I moved toward the bookcase announcing "State Police." I pulled the bookcase aside and exposed the bathroom door. I could hear children talking and continued calling to them. An adult female voice asked for a badge. I couldn't get to my badge, but Lt Vangheli pulled his off and it was passed under the door. One of the children said "It is the police" after the badge went under the door. The female voice then said something about us needing a key to get into the room. I tried to talk her into opening the door as one of the members of the CSP ESU ran out to find a key. I believe this ESU trooper was TFC Faughnan. After telling us to get a key, the bathroom became very quiet and I became suspicious that something was wrong. TFC Faughnan arrived with a key which he handed to me. I was so anxious that I bent the key in the lock. I was able to push the door in only a few inches before there was resistance. I realized that the children were packed so tightJy into the bathroom that I could not open the door. Most of the children in the bathroom appeared to be frightened and were crying. I had to squeeze the children out of the bathroom one by one and passed them off to waiting police officers and troopers. The last one out of the bathroom was the teacher, Kaitlin Roig. She was very emotional and I had to persuade her to come out. The troopers and officers then worked together to get the children out of the building as a group. This really begs the question, how well did she really have things under control...... If that had been the shooters they would have been discovered.... ~With forethought and malice Whitless enacted an EO giving nursing homes immunity from wrongful death prosecutions, forced them to take in infected patients and is responsible for over 6500+ nursing home deaths~ |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36903391 United States 02/22/2014 11:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This really begs the question, how well did she really have things under control...... Quoting: KPM If that had been the shooters they would have been discovered.... I was actually being sincere about how well she hid her class. There's a limit to how well anyone can hide 15 young and terrified children in a classroom. I read in Chapman's report that he had swept the classroom earlier and believed it to be empty. And none of the officers realized at first that the bookcase was concealing a bathroom. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 36903391 United States 02/22/2014 03:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's a good point about the stories contradicting each other. At the same time, though, our memories can be very unreliable. I honestly don't know where to draw the line between discrepancies that are normal because of faulty memories and discrepancies that are suspicious. Fred, that's actually Vanghele's report. Combes was interviewing him. Here it is: Book 6, 00002060.pdf, pg. 5 - Lt. Vanghele I then went into another classroom which was north of the room with all the bodies in it. This room did not appear to have any bodies in it even though it was doser to the front of the school. Sgt. Carrio and I noticed some movement and sound from a closed door near the back of the room. I asked him "Did you see that?" He answered, "Yes" and we moved what appeared to be a cabinet away from the front of the door. We heard a female voice yell, "Who is out there?~' We all said "Police" at the same time. One of the State Troopers identified himself. The woman in the closet stated, "I don't believe you". I then introduced myself. The woman asked me to put my badge under the door. I immediately took off my badge and put it under the door. We asked her if she got the badge and to open the door. She did not answer any of our questions and would not communicate with us for approximately one minute. This led us to believe that another suspect might be in the closet with the woman. We asked her directly if someone else was in there with her but she did not answer us. Suddenly the door opened a crack and an officer made sure that it could not be closed on us. I saw a group of children looking at us from the closet. I was handed a little boy that I picked up. The other children were told to hold hands and to follow me and another Trooper who led the way. We told the children to close their eyes. The armed Trooper led us out the south entrance of the front hallway. I was in the lead with the young boy in my arms. I looked back and saw a young, blonde woman who was holding hands with two children and running with us. She was a first grade teacher who was the woman in the locked room. She was very hysterical and I asked her what her name was twice. She told me her name but I forgot it. I old her she had saved the childrens' lives. |
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