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The 7 Ages of God's Plan: The Salvation of All

 
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I wrote the below message as a response in another thread and feel it is too important to see it buried. I want to get the GOOD News out to those who may have never heard of it. I'd love to answer any questions on translation or anything else. Hope this blesses you. (names have been changed for their privacy)



The Bible says God will save his creation in the fulfillment of Seven Ages, this includes all things on Earth and all principalities and powers in the heavens.

1. Pre-Adamic Age
2. Adamic Age
3. Law of Moses/Israelite Age
4. Grace/Gentiles Age
5. Millenial Kingdom Age
6. Lake of Fire Judgement Age
7. Eternal Kingdom/The Consummation


Amen!! If you have a grasp on the truth from the word of God, then you know it is the RESULTS of hell that are eternal, not the burning. Satan and the wicked are never promised eternal life, not even in hell, they are promised the second death, and will be consumed with nothing left but ashes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward


That is Annihilation, my friend, and is not the final outcome, thank God! I too once believed Annihilation after studying the depth of the deception of pagan Hell. The Second Death is not literal. God is compared to a refining fire, which saves a man but burns up his works/rewards. You are on your way to the greatest mystery of the Good News! The final salvation of all men and fallen beings. All knees will bow, all enemies confess the name of Jesus Christ.

hf
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Jesus spoke of hell more the He spoke of heaven. This is just a fact.

God is love, but He also is a God of justice. He destroyed the world, He brought plagues and punishments on the people.....etc.

Jesus dies to save us from what? He dies to save us from heaven? No, He died to save us from hell.

Helping people to believe that there is no hell, and they can do whatever they like on earth with no consequence is a great mistake.
 Quoting: Anon


He was speaking of Gehenna (garbage dump outside of Jerusalem that burned trash and the bodies of criminals). The fires didn't go out because stuff was constantly added to it, fueling it). It was referring to those who would perish on the Day of the Lord when the Earth is cleansed after the Great Tribulation for the coming Millenial Kingdom.

Jesus was quoting from the prophesy in Isaiah:

"And they will go out and look on the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; the worms that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind." - Isaiah 66:24

Notice it speaks of dead bodies (corpses). This is not hell. This is a temporal judgement on Earth. The passage speaks of Christ coming down to Earth. It has to be purified first. This is only the 5th Age still, the Millennial Reign of Christ.
 Quoting: LunaRabbit


In other words, the fire does not go out until all that was evil is burned up.

I'd also like to point out that I do not condone people doing whatever they like. The 6th Age is the Lake of Fire Judgement. There is of course Godly wrath, judgement, and discipline. But these do not outweigh the eventual mercy, love, and reconciliation in the final 7th Age.

Christ also didn't come to save us from hell. The Bible says he came to save us from death. And that is what he did for all man-kind.

Everyone is saved, but only in their own order. 1 Corinthians 15:23

Firstfruits, then after the Trib, everyone else who believed in God, then after the LoF Judgement, nonbelievers. Most people will miss out on the Special Salvation of believers (1 Timothy 4:10) who get to endure aionious (Age-lasting) life in the Millennial Kingdom.

Sorry, but you're wrong........when Jesus said ""Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."

I guess He was just kidding, right?

No, He wasn't kidding.
 Quoting: AC


LoF. 6th Age.

Im excited to get home and break out my collection of scripture that states even the Fallen Angels will be saved through this judgement. Surprising, I know, but it's there. Ultimate prodigal son stuff right there.

Peace. :)
 Quoting: LunaRabbit


I"d like to read that when you get a chance to post it.
 Quoting: Anon


I am interested in this as well as how you worked your way out of the theory of annihilation for sinners that has been a sticking point for me. 1 Corinthians contains a phrase of all in all which is an interesting concept to me.
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Now I would imagine everyone believes that through Christ all things were created and without him, nothing was made (John 1:3, Colossians 1:16). This includes everything we see and cannot see: the stars and planets, laws of nature, laws of the heart, light, dark, angelic beings, and man. Everything.

Let's start with Colossians 1:15-20
who is the image of the invisible God, first-born of all creation, because in him were the all things created, those in the heavens, and those upon the earth, those visible, and those invisible, whether thrones, whether lordships, whether principalities, whether authorities; all things through him, and for him, have been created, and himself is before all, and the all things in him have consisted And himself is the head of the body -- the assembly -- who is a beginning, a first-born out of the dead, that he might become in all [things] -- himself -- first, because in him it did please all the fulness to tabernacle, and through him to reconcile the all things to himself -- having made peace through the blood of his cross -- through him, whether the things upon the earth, whether the things in the heavens.


This verse gives us the context of Christ being the channel through which all of creation was made. Those in the heavens (angels), those upon the earth (man). It says he is the head of the Body of Christ, which is only a small part of humanity, and says that they are a first-born out of man (the first to come to salvation). It says he will reconcile all things to himself, the all things that he created in the beginning of verse 15. He has made peace with those on earth (man), and those in the heavens (fallen angels which now reside in the second heaven).

1 John 2:2
and he -- he is a propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the whole world


2 Corinthians 5:14-15
For Christ’s love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died. And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again.


Paul believed Christ died for all of us who are dying.

Luke 23:34
Then Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do".


People have heard this one so many times that they tend to overlook the amazing revelation here. Christ asked his Father to forgive the very people who murdered him, honestly the worst sin any man could ever commit. To kill the very Son of God, the Messiah. But as we see in scripture, they will be forgiven. There is also no unforgivable sin such as "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit" (Matthew 12:31-32). The scripture says it will not be forgiven in this Age (4th Age of Grace/Gentiles) or the Next (5th Age of the Millennial Kingdom). It does not say forever! Amen!

THIS IS ONE OF MY FAVORITES! :)
1 Corinthians 15:22-23
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. But each one in his own order.


In context, this verse preaches the Good News. The same all who die in Adam (mankind under the curse of sin and death) are the same all who shall be made alive in Christ. I will ask. Who is more powerful? Adam's curse? Or Christ's sacrifice for his beloved creation?

1 Timothy 2:3-6
for this [is] right and acceptable before God our Saviour, who doth will all men to be saved, and to come to the full knowledge of the truth; for one [is] God, one also [is] mediator of God and of men, the man Christ Jesus, who did give himself a ransom for all -- the testimony in its own times --


Many times people will make the argument that just because God wants all men to be saved, doesn't mean it will happen. Well, that's sad. :(
Good thing scripture says the opposite, that whatever he wills, will happen. No one can thwart his plans.

Again, many in the churches today do not know the purpose of prayer. The Greek word for prayer is Proseuche from the root Proseuchomai which is a three part word:

PRO "toward"
EU "well"
CHE "having"

Prayer is praying for the well-having of God, or His will, not our own. And Paul and Jesus told us to pray for the salvation of our enemies, and to love them. Why? We pray these things because they are the will of God!

Again we read 1 Timothy chapter 2 starting from the beginning. Paul is praying for the whole world, and that all will be saved. He prays for the will of God!

First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way. This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

Ephesians 1:9-10
having made known to us the secret of His will, according to His good pleasure, that He purposed in Himself, in regard to the dispensation of the fulness of the times, to bring into one the whole in the Christ, both the things in the heavens, and the things upon the earth -- in him;


This verse is an amazing layout of God's purpose. Paul is telling us the eventual Salvation of All is a SECRET that most will not understand until they see it happen. Again he lists everything that was created through Christ is the same everything that will be reconciled. Those in heaven (fallen angels) and those on earth (sinful man). And this all happens in the dispensation of God's time, or Ages, being finalized at the Consummation when Christ gives up everything to the Father and then He will be all in all.

1 Timothy 4:9-11
This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance. For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe. These things command and teach.


We are commanded to teach that Christ will save all. I explained the "especially" part in a previous post. To recap, the especially part is a special salvation only the Body of Christ and sealed Israelites will receive. It is Age-lasting rulership and life during the Millennial Kingdom. Most of creation will miss out on this amazing time, which is a gift to us.

Luke 19: 9-10
And Jesus said to him, “Today salvation has come to this house, because he also is a son of Abraham; 10 for the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost.”


Who is lost? All of sinful mankind and all fallen angelic beings. He is the Good Shepherd who will leave the flock to seek out that one lost sheep.

John 12:31-33
[Jesus said] "Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out. And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”


Romans 5:18-19
So, then, as through one offence to all men [it is] to condemnation, so also through one declaration of `Righteous' [it is] to all men to justification of life; for as through the disobedience of the one man, the many were constituted sinners: so also through the obedience of the one, shall the many be constituted righteous.


This is another verse that tells us the same as 1 Corinthians 15:22-23. The same "all" that condemnation came to must be the same "all" that righteousness and life comes to. One man's disobedience (Adam) is replaced by the obedience of one man (Jesus Christ), nullifying the curse of sin and death.



I'm going to work on part 2 now, which might help answer some Lake of Fire concerns. It won't delve into a deep study on the symbology of fire (I can later if you're interested), but I will give scripture which will show that God is a Father who disciplines and chastises those he loves. And his judgements are always meted out for learning and growing and purifying, not just to spite or hurt us.
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Romans 11:32
For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.


Here's "all" again. We are all under the curse of sin and disobedience, and God will have mercy on all of us because of Christ.

Proverbs 3:11-12
My son, do not despise the chastening of the Lord, Nor detest His correction;
For whom the Lord loves He corrects, Just as a father the son in whom he delights.


Revelation 3:19
As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten.


Hebrews 12:6
For the Lord disciplines those he loves, and he punishes those he accepts as his children.


Jeremiah 3:12
Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say: 'Return, backsliding Israel,' says the Lord; 'I will not cause My anger to fall on you. For I am merciful,' says the Lord: 'I will not remain angry forever'.


Lamentations 3:31-33
For the Lord will not cast off forever. Though He causes grief, Yet He will show compassion According to the multitude of His mercies. For He does not afflict willingly, Nor grieve the children of men.


The teaching of everlasting torture in hell totally contradicts these scriptures. Remember when "everlasting" is in the Bible, it is the word aion/aionious which is an age-lasting time period. God himself also said he loved the whole world. The whole world will one day feel his judgements and then his mercies.

Isaiah 26:9
With my soul I have desired You in the night, Yes, by my spirit within me I will seek You early; For when Your judgments are in the earth, The inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.


The scripture specifically points out that righteousness is learned through trial and judgement.

You have to think of the entirety of creation in the Contrast Principle. There is no good without evil, there is no grace without sin, there is no Savior without fallen man, there is no life without death, there is no peace without bloodshed. You see? Everything we go through has been determined since the beginning. It's essentially a huge training ground for eternity. Adam and Eve didn't know what they had in the Garden because they knew nothing else. You cannot know heat without cold, you cannot know rest without exhaustion, etc. God (in His Plan) wanted mankind to disobey Him and eat the fruit of Knowledge of Good and Evil so that we may all appreciate and love Him in the fullness of Time. Why else, if he knows the end from the beginning, would he put a damning tree there in the first place? Many fail to realize that sin was already in the universe before Adam. Before the Adamic Age there were Fallen Angels. Satan was already in the Garden when Adam was created. Think about it! ;)

Hebrews 12:11
Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.


Realize that this is the purpose of the Lake of Fire. Those whom God chastises in love now in this Age are safe from the Lake, which is a terrible place that hardened hearts will be shown for what they are. They will be shamed (weeping and gnashing of teeth). But will learn righteousness through this process, and come out clean. We all go through this process, it just depends on if you go through it now, or in the Lake.
Remember, nothing is too hard for God. No one can withstand him! It took one moment for Paul, a very enemy of God and Christ, to soften his heart and become the chief apostle of Christ to the Gentile Nations! One flash of light, one voice. Nothing is too hard for God!

Malachi 3:2
[speaking of the coming of Christ for his Millennial Reign]
But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears? For he will be like a refiner's fire or a launderer's soap.


He comes to clean up. He is a refining fire. hint hint Scripture compares God and Christ to a fire and mankind as metal. Metal must be put through fire to burn away impurities. How cool is that?

Fire is a symbol of holiness. Just google it in the Bible. It's overwhelmingly positive in a symbolic form. God is described as fire.

John the Baptist said in Matthew 3:11
"I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire"


Isaiah's lips were purified by a burning coal (fire) in Isaiah 6:6-7:
Then one of the seraphim flew to me with a burning coal he had taken from the altar with a pair of tongs. He touched my lips with it and said, “See, this coal has touched your lips. Now your guilt is removed, and your sins are forgiven.


This burning in the Lake will remove all impurities. It is not a literal hot-to-the-touch fire, but the Fire of God. His overwhelming holiness. I forget which prophet it was who said when God showed just a little bit of His glory, it was overwhelming and he saw himself for what he was, a wretched sinful piece of dirt (again it might have been Isaiah). This is the wailing and shame people in the Lake will have to bear before they are made anew.

Isaiah 25:7-8
And He will destroy on this mountain The surface of the covering cast over all people, And the veil that is spread over all nations. He will swallow up death forever, And the Lord God will wipe away tears from all faces; The rebuke of His people He will take away from all the earth; For the Lord has spoken.


This is a prophesy spoken of by the prophet Isaiah speaking of the Consummation, the final act in God's Plan. He will remove all unbelief from mankind (all will accept Christ, which is the only requirement for salvation). Death will be no more. If there is no death, there is only Life. There will be no more tears, no more deception, no more sadness. Amen.

1 Corinthians 15:24-25
[Paul speaking of the Consummation]
Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet.


Meaning that all (including former enemies) will (willingly) bow and give glory to Christ.


Romans 14:11
It is written: "'As surely as I live,' says the Lord, 'every knee will bow before me; every tongue will acknowledge God.'"


1 Corinthians 15:28
Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.


Amen to that. twirl
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I'd also like to point out something I didn't originally.

The word "torture" used in scripture when referenced to the Lake of Fire is the Greek word Basanizo. It is in reference to a black touch stone used in metal working. It is what is used to rub metal up against to test it's purity.

So we can see from this original word that again, the Lake of Fire is not literal hot fire or torture for no reason. It is testing and purification in God's holy presence.

There is also the word Kolasis which can be used for "torture". However this same word was used in reference to the tossing waves when Jesus was in the boat with his disciples. It just means a stirring up, not literal torture.

Thanks for reading.
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The Second Death is not literal. God is compared to a refining fire, which saves a man but burns up his works/rewards. You are on your way to the greatest mystery of the Good News! The final salvation of all men and fallen beings. All knees will bow, all enemies confess the name of Jesus Christ.
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In fact second dead can be literar. What is question for me that Apocalypse says that last burned in lake of fire will be Death and Abyss.Does it mean no longer death or undo of death on anything.
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The Second Death is not literal. God is compared to a refining fire, which saves a man but burns up his works/rewards. You are on your way to the greatest mystery of the Good News! The final salvation of all men and fallen beings. All knees will bow, all enemies confess the name of Jesus Christ.
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In fact second dead can be literar. What is question for me that Apocalypse says that last burned in lake of fire will be Death and Abyss.Does it mean no longer death or undo of death on anything.
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Hi. You can think of it this way...

Jesus said Israel would be born again. What did he mean by this? He meant dying to the flesh and being born of spirit (believing the truth).

We all die two deaths. One physical, and one of the sin-nature.

Believers die to sin-nature first and then physically. This is why we do not go through the Lake of Fire, or the Second Death, because we have already experienced it.

Unbelievers will die physically and then in the Lake of Fire, will die to their sin-nature.


The Lake of Fire and the Abyss are also two different places in scripture. The Abyss is called Tartarus in the Greek. This is the abode within the Earth that the Fallen Angels were chained to until the time of their judgement.
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Debunking the myth of hell...people should be excited.
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I guess one more bump for the late night crowd. Really dissappointed the sickening idea of pagan hell gets so much play around here. But sound doctrine is swept under the rug.

God is merciful. Night.
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Debunking the myth of hell...people should be excited.
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I'd also like to point out something I didn't originally.

The word "torture" used in scripture when referenced to the Lake of Fire is the Greek word Basanizo. It is in reference to a black touch stone used in metal working. It is what is used to rub metal up against to test it's purity.

So we can see from this original word that again, the Lake of Fire is not literal hot fire or torture for no reason. It is testing and purification in God's holy presence.

There is also the word Kolasis which can be used for "torture". However this same word was used in reference to the tossing waves when Jesus was in the boat with his disciples. It just means a stirring up, not literal torture.

Thanks for reading.
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Agreed, 100%. This same word appears in the gospels a couple of times, but is translated differently. . .

Matthew 14: But the ship was now in the midst of the sea, tossed with waves: for the wind was contrary.

Mark 6: And he saw them toiling in rowing; for the wind was contrary unto them: and about the fourth watch of the night he cometh unto them, walking upon the sea, and would have passed by them.
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I would love to 5* you my friend.

But I'm not 100% convinced, and will only tell you I enjoyed the read :)

(and for everyone on this earths sake, I hope what you've laid out is true, because I don't want anyone to die either, if they can be saved)

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I guess one more bump for the late night crowd. Really dissappointed the sickening idea of pagan hell gets so much play around here. But sound doctrine is swept under the rug.

God is merciful. Night.
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Yes!!

Why worship a God who would punish a human being (torture) for an ETERNITY.

God is good, 'God is love'.

He doesn't exhibit love, he is love.

Is the God who inspired 1 Corinthians 13's definition of love capable of creating 'hell'?

Clearly, the teaching of 'hell' is a poor reading of the Bible, devoid of interpretation and metaphorical reasoning.

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I guess one more bump for the late night crowd. Really dissappointed the sickening idea of pagan hell gets so much play around here. But sound doctrine is swept under the rug.

God is merciful. Night.
 Quoting: LunaRabbit


Yes!!

Why worship a God who would punish a human being (torture) for an ETERNITY.

God is good, 'God is love'.

He doesn't exhibit love, he is love.

Is the God who inspired 1 Corinthians 13's definition of love capable of creating 'hell'?

Clearly, the teaching of 'hell' is a poor reading of the Bible, devoid of interpretation and metaphorical reasoning.
 Quoting: SingleCellOrganism


Its about control. Anything really that is separate from love. Love sets you free. Eternal punishment is in stark contrast to any rightous judegement and serves to bind in chains to control. Is any finite and ending sin worthy or infinite punishment? Your heart know the answer but those chains that bind will break free in stages as the light comes pouring in.
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In Revelation 21:25 it says that the gates of the New Jerusalem will never be shut and in verse 24 it points out that the kings of the earth (who in Revelation 17 were killed after supporting the beast and fighting Jesus at His return) bring their glory into it.

The gates aren't left open so people can leave this glorious place, but so they can enter it once they have been purified by God's all consuming fire of love.
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The bible says none of those things you said. The way you and you alone interpret the bible says these things.
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Hi OP, hf

Thanks for a great thread subject. Not to argue but I thought
we were in the 6th Day of God, a time of great sin? The world, right now, we are near the end of the 6th Day.

The 7th Day of God is the new time, the Era of Peace, the
Millennial reign of Christ. Jesus is NOT coming in His person but there will be many signs, preternatural gifts given in the 7th Day. It could last a 1000 years, only God knows for sure.

The 8th Day is the final Day, Satan is released from Hell
for the final battle, Our Lord comes in His person for
the Final Judgment.

God the Father's number is 8
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The bible says none of those things you said. The way you and you alone interpret the bible says these things.
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Don't sweat it

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Hi OP, hf

Thanks for a great thread subject. Not to argue but I thought
we were in the 6th Day of God, a time of great sin? The world, right now, we are near the end of the 6th Day.

The 7th Day of God is the new time, the Era of Peace, the
Millennial reign of Christ. Jesus is NOT coming in His person but there will be many signs, preternatural gifts given in the 7th Day. It could last a 1000 years, only God knows for sure.

The 8th Day is the final Day, Satan is released from Hell
for the final battle, Our Lord comes in His person for
the Final Judgment.

God the Father's number is 8
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like your avatar pic Luna...
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you're a heretic

your preaching isnt canonical & it's wrong

the smoke of their torment rises forever & ever

some shall waken to everlasting contempt

the anti-christ & false prophet & Satan burn in the lake of fire for ever & ever

the Parable of Lazarus & Dives

the Parable of Tares/Weeds clearly identifies Satan's children as the WEEDS GATHERED TO BE BURNED

the Parable of Sheep & Goats clearly identifies SATAN'S GOATS AS CAST INTO OUTER DARKNESS

many NDE (near death experience) survivors retell Hell as being utterly alone & overcome with immense, overwhelming fear & pain
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you're a heretic

your preaching isnt canonical & it's wrong

the smoke of their torment rises forever & ever

some shall waken to everlasting contempt

the anti-christ & false prophet & Satan burn in the lake of fire for ever & ever

the Parable of Lazarus & Dives

the Parable of Tares/Weeds clearly identifies Satan's children as the WEEDS GATHERED TO BE BURNED

the Parable of Sheep & Goats clearly identifies SATAN'S GOATS AS CAST INTO OUTER DARKNESS

many NDE (near death experience) survivors retell Hell as being utterly alone & overcome with immense, overwhelming fear & pain

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also

Revelation 13:8 & 17:8 any who WORSHIP THE BEAST IS NOT WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE

receiving the mark/name/# of the anti-christ to trade or blasphemy against the Holy Spirit are THE ONLY CLEARLY IDENTIFIED ETERNAL SINS

stop preaching Satanic lies & heresy

END OF STORY
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you're a heretic

your preaching isnt canonical & it's wrong

the smoke of their torment rises forever & ever

some shall waken to everlasting contempt

the anti-christ & false prophet & Satan burn in the lake of fire for ever & ever

the Parable of Lazarus & Dives

the Parable of Tares/Weeds clearly identifies Satan's children as the WEEDS GATHERED TO BE BURNED

the Parable of Sheep & Goats clearly identifies SATAN'S GOATS AS CAST INTO OUTER DARKNESS

many NDE (near death experience) survivors retell Hell as being utterly alone & overcome with immense, overwhelming fear & pain

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53222110


also

Revelation 13:8 & 17:8 any who WORSHIP THE BEAST IS NOT WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE

receiving the mark/name/# of the anti-christ to trade or blasphemy against the Holy Spirit are THE ONLY CLEARLY IDENTIFIED ETERNAL SINS

stop preaching Satanic lies & heresy

END OF STORY

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you also need to understand that this timeshard, this dimensional realization of ABSOLUTE, UNREPENTANT EVIL IS REQUIRED FOR ANY OF TO EVEN EXIST

if Satan was not "the father of lies", "the accuser", the exact OPPOSITE OF JESUS CHRIST the firstborn Son of God, the blameless lamb

THEN NONE OF US WOULD EVEN EXIST

the purpose of the Age of the Knowledge of Good & Evil is to obtain THE RIGHTEOUS

The PURPOSE OF THIS AGE:
Genesis 3:5
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Psalms 110:1
1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Matthew 13:
24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Evil is REQUIRED:
Ecclesiastes 7:13
Consider the work of God: for who can make that straight, which he has made crooked?

Matthew 18:7
Woe unto the world because of offenses! for it must needs be that offenses come; but woe to that man by whom the offense comes!

Luke 17:1
Jesus said to his disciples: "Things that cause people to sin are bound to come, but woe to that person through whom they come.


.

.

Matthew 7:
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
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you're a heretic

your preaching isnt canonical & it's wrong

the smoke of their torment rises forever & ever

some shall waken to everlasting contempt

the anti-christ & false prophet & Satan burn in the lake of fire for ever & ever

the Parable of Lazarus & Dives

the Parable of Tares/Weeds clearly identifies Satan's children as the WEEDS GATHERED TO BE BURNED

the Parable of Sheep & Goats clearly identifies SATAN'S GOATS AS CAST INTO OUTER DARKNESS

many NDE (near death experience) survivors retell Hell as being utterly alone & overcome with immense, overwhelming fear & pain

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lol you are sooo fucked
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you're a heretic

your preaching isnt canonical & it's wrong

the smoke of their torment rises forever & ever

some shall waken to everlasting contempt

the anti-christ & false prophet & Satan burn in the lake of fire for ever & ever

the Parable of Lazarus & Dives

the Parable of Tares/Weeds clearly identifies Satan's children as the WEEDS GATHERED TO BE BURNED

the Parable of Sheep & Goats clearly identifies SATAN'S GOATS AS CAST INTO OUTER DARKNESS

many NDE (near death experience) survivors retell Hell as being utterly alone & overcome with immense, overwhelming fear & pain

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lol you are sooo fucked
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really?

it is you who serves Satan in seeking to cast doubt upon the undefiled Word of the LORD God

Luke 9:26/Mark 8:38
Whoever is ashamed of me and my words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when he comes in his glory and in the glory of the Father and of the holy angels.
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Debunking the myth of hell...people should be excited.
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cheers
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kitty There's no myth about it. [link to youtu.be]
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Salvation Is Inevitable !
hf
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Salvation Is Inevitable !
hf
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Seo,

Who told you this....

We choose where we go
. With the help of God's grace we
choose His ways. So...pray, pray, pray, every day even if
for only 10 minutes.


Okay?
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I need help...

I feel wrong when I pray. I love studying the Bible, but I feel uncomfortable when it asks me to ask God for everything. My mother always asked me to pray and I felt uncomfortable. It was something I did anyway. Still it feels wrong and I still feel the same way, but still nothing makes me feel as good as the Lord does.

I don't know what to do. I don't even know why I feel this way. It's the same feeling I get asking my earthly parents for anything that I get asking my heavenly father.

I don't have a sense of entitlement even though I am entitled.

Something is wrong.
Ecclesiastes 2:17-26 (NIV)

17 So I hated life, because the work that is done under the sun was grievous to me. All of it is meaningless, a chasing after the wind. 18 I hated all the things I had toiled for under the sun, because I must leave them to the one who comes after me. 19 And who knows whether he will be a wise man or a fool? Yet he will have control over all the work into which I have poured my effort and skill under the sun. This too is meaningless. 20 So my heart began to despair over all my toilsome labor under the sun. 21 For a man may do his work with wisdom, knowledge and skill, and then he must leave all he owns to someone who has not worked for it. This too is meaningless and a great misfortune. 22 What does a man get for all the toil and anxious striving with which he labors under the sun? 23 All his days his work is pain and grief; even at night his mind does not rest. This too is meaningless. 24 A man can do nothing better than to eat and drink and find satisfaction in his work. This too, I see, is from the hand of God, 25 for without him, who can eat or find enjoyment? 26 To the man who pleases him, God gives wisdom, knowledge and happiness, but to the sinner he gives the task of gathering and storing up wealth to hand it over to the one who pleases God. This too is meaningless, a chasing after the wind.
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Ecclesiastes 9:9 NIV

Enjoy life with your wife, whom you love, all the days of this meaningless life that God has given you under the sun--all your meaningless days. For this is your lot in life and in your toilsome labor under the sun.
Ecclesiastes 2:17-26 (NIV)

17 So I hated life, because the work that is done under the sun was grievous to me. All of it is meaningless, a chasing after the wind. 18 I hated all the things I had toiled for under the sun, because I must leave them to the one who comes after me. 19 And who knows whether he will be a wise man or a fool? Yet he will have control over all the work into which I have poured my effort and skill under the sun. This too is meaningless. 20 So my heart began to despair over all my toilsome labor under the sun. 21 For a man may do his work with wisdom, knowledge and skill, and then he must leave all he owns to someone who has not worked for it. This too is meaningless and a great misfortune. 22 What does a man get for all the toil and anxious striving with which he labors under the sun? 23 All his days his work is pain and grief; even at night his mind does not rest. This too is meaningless. 24 A man can do nothing better than to eat and drink and find satisfaction in his work. This too, I see, is from the hand of God, 25 for without him, who can eat or find enjoyment? 26 To the man who pleases him, God gives wisdom, knowledge and happiness, but to the sinner he gives the task of gathering and storing up wealth to hand it over to the one who pleases God. This too is meaningless, a chasing after the wind.
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I wrote the below message as a response in another thread and feel it is too important to see it buried. I want to get the GOOD News out to those who may have never heard of it. I'd love to answer any questions on translation or anything else. Hope this blesses you. (names have been changed for their privacy)



The Bible says God will save his creation in the fulfillment of Seven Ages, this includes all things on Earth and all principalities and powers in the heavens.

1. Pre-Adamic Age
2. Adamic Age
3. Law of Moses/Israelite Age
4. Grace/Gentiles Age
5. Millenial Kingdom Age
6. Lake of Fire Judgement Age
7. Eternal Kingdom/The Consummation


Amen!! If you have a grasp on the truth from the word of God, then you know it is the RESULTS of hell that are eternal, not the burning. Satan and the wicked are never promised eternal life, not even in hell, they are promised the second death, and will be consumed with nothing left but ashes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward


That is Annihilation, my friend, and is not the final outcome, thank God! I too once believed Annihilation after studying the depth of the deception of pagan Hell. The Second Death is not literal. God is compared to a refining fire, which saves a man but burns up his works/rewards. You are on your way to the greatest mystery of the Good News! The final salvation of all men and fallen beings. All knees will bow, all enemies confess the name of Jesus Christ.

hf
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Jesus spoke of hell more the He spoke of heaven. This is just a fact.

God is love, but He also is a God of justice. He destroyed the world, He brought plagues and punishments on the people.....etc.

Jesus dies to save us from what? He dies to save us from heaven? No, He died to save us from hell.

Helping people to believe that there is no hell, and they can do whatever they like on earth with no consequence is a great mistake.
 Quoting: Anon


He was speaking of Gehenna (garbage dump outside of Jerusalem that burned trash and the bodies of criminals). The fires didn't go out because stuff was constantly added to it, fueling it). It was referring to those who would perish on the Day of the Lord when the Earth is cleansed after the Great Tribulation for the coming Millenial Kingdom.

Jesus was quoting from the prophesy in Isaiah:

"And they will go out and look on the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; the worms that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind." - Isaiah 66:24

Notice it speaks of dead bodies (corpses). This is not hell. This is a temporal judgement on Earth. The passage speaks of Christ coming down to Earth. It has to be purified first. This is only the 5th Age still, the Millennial Reign of Christ.
 Quoting: LunaRabbit


In other words, the fire does not go out until all that was evil is burned up.

I'd also like to point out that I do not condone people doing whatever they like. The 6th Age is the Lake of Fire Judgement. There is of course Godly wrath, judgement, and discipline. But these do not outweigh the eventual mercy, love, and reconciliation in the final 7th Age.

Christ also didn't come to save us from hell. The Bible says he came to save us from death. And that is what he did for all man-kind.

Everyone is saved, but only in their own order. 1 Corinthians 15:23

Firstfruits, then after the Trib, everyone else who believed in God, then after the LoF Judgement, nonbelievers. Most people will miss out on the Special Salvation of believers (1 Timothy 4:10) who get to endure aionious (Age-lasting) life in the Millennial Kingdom.

Sorry, but you're wrong........when Jesus said ""Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."

I guess He was just kidding, right?

No, He wasn't kidding.
 Quoting: AC


LoF. 6th Age.

Im excited to get home and break out my collection of scripture that states even the Fallen Angels will be saved through this judgement. Surprising, I know, but it's there. Ultimate prodigal son stuff right there.

Peace. :)
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I"d like to read that when you get a chance to post it.
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I am interested in this as well as how you worked your way out of the theory of annihilation for sinners that has been a sticking point for me. 1 Corinthians contains a phrase of all in all which is an interesting concept to me.
 Quoting: Anon2

 Quoting: LunaRabbit





Pure Universalist BS.

Totally contradictory to the scriptures. A doctrine of demons.


OP says: "Everyone is saved, but only in their own order."

This is a pure Satanic teaching, that will cause many to forgo the spiritual preparation necessary to resist the Mark of the Beast. Just like the Pre-Trib Rapture BS does.

Why the need of repentance, and living a Godly life, since you'll be "saved" anyway?

The bible makes it ultra clear that there is no coming back from the second death, and that those who go that way will be nothing but ash.
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Pure Universalist BS.

Totally contradictory to the scriptures. A doctrine of demons.

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Unfortunately the earliest christians would raise their B.S. flags to your interpretation of the scriptures.

peace

If there's any 'doctrine of demons' here, it would most certainly be the pagan doctrine of 'eternal torment/punishment' that usurped the earlier christian theology several centuries later through the influence of the Roman Catholic church:

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(1) During the First Century the primitive Christians did not dwell on matters of eschatology, but devoted their attention to apologetics; they were chiefly anxious to establish the fact of Christ's advent, and of its blessings to the world. Possibly the question of destiny was an open one, till Paganism and Judaism introduced erroneous ideas, when the New Testament doctrine of the apokatastasis was asserted, and universal restoration became an accepted belief, as stated later by Clement and Origen, A.D. 180-230.

(2) The Catacombs give us the views of the unlearned, as Clement and Origen state the doctrine of scholars and teachers. Not a syllable is found hinting at the horrors of Augustinianism, but the inscription on every monument harmonizes with the Universalism of the early fathers.

(3) Clement declares that all punishment, however severe, is purificatory; that even the "torments of the damned" are curative. Origen explains even Gehenna as signifying limited and curative punishment, and both, as all the other ancient Universalists, declare that "everlasting" (aionion) punishment, is consonant with universal salvation. So that it is no proof that other primitive Christians who are less explicit as to the final result, taught endless punishment when they employ the same terms.

(4) Like our Lord and his Apostles, the primitive Christians avoided the words with which the Pagans and Jews defined endless punishment aidios or adialeipton timoria (endless torment), a doctrine the latter believed, and knew how to describe; but they, the early Christians, called punishment, as did our Lord, kolasis aionios , discipline, chastisement, of indefinite, limited duration.

(5) The early Christians taught that Christ preached the Gospel to the dead, and for that purpose descended into Hades. Many held that he released all who were in ward. This shows that repentance beyond the grave, perpetual probation, was then accepted, which precludes the modern error that the soul's destiny is decided at death.

(6) Prayers for the dead were universal in the early church, which would be absurd, if their condition is unalterably fixed at the grave.

(7) The idea that false threats were necessary to keep the common people in check, and that the truth might be held esoterically, prevailed among the earlier Christians, so that there can be no doubt that many who seem to teach endless punishment, really held the broader views, as we know the most did, and preached terrors pedagogically.

(8) The first comparatively complete systematic statement of Christian doctrine ever given to the world was by Clement of Alexandria, A.D. 180, and universal salvation was one of the tenets.

(9) The first complete presentation of Christianity as a system was by Origen (A.D. 220) and universal salvation was explicitly contained in it.

(10) Universal salvation was the prevailing doctrine in Christendom as long as Greek, the language of the New Testament, was the language of Christendom.

(11) Universalism was generally believed in the best centuries, the first three, when Christians were most remarkable for simplicity, goodness and missionary zeal.

(12) Universalism was least known when Greek, the language of the New Testament was least known, and when Latin was the language of the Church in its darkest, most ignorant, and corrupt ages.

(13) Not a writer among those who describe the heresies of the first three hundred years intimates that Universalism was then a heresy, though it was believed by many, if not by a majority, and certainly by the greatest of the fathers.

(14) Not a single creed for five hundred years expresses any idea contrary to universal restoration, or in favor of endless punishment.

(15) With the exception of the arguments of Augustine (A.D. 420), there is not an argument known to have been framed against Universalism for at least four hundred years after Christ, by any of the ancient fathers.

(16) While the councils that assembled in various parts of Christendom, anathematized every kind of doctrine supposed to be heretical, no oecumenical council, for more than five hundred years, condemned Universalism, though it had been advocated in every century by the principal scholars and most revered saints.

(17) As late as A.D. 400, Jerome says "most people" (plerique). and Augustine "very many" (quam plurimi), believed in Universalism, notwithstanding that the tremendous influence of Augustine, and the mighty power of the semi-pagan secular arm were arrayed against it.

(18) The principal ancient Universalists were Christian born and reared, and were among the most scholarly and saintly of all the ancient saints.

(19) The most celebrated of the earlier advocates of endless punishment were heathen born, and led corrupt lives in their youth. Tertullian one of the first, and Augustine, the greatest of them, confess to having been among the vilest.

(20) The first advocates of endless punishment, Minucius Felix, Tertullian and Augustine, were Latins, ignorant of Greek, and less competent to interpret the meaning of Greek Scriptures than were the Greek scholars.

(21) The first advocates of Universalism, after the Apostles, were Greeks, in whose mother-tongue the New Testament was written. They found their Universalism in the Greek Bible. Who should be correct, they or the Latins?

(22) The Greek Fathers announced the great truth of universal restoration in an age of darkness, sin and corruption. There was nothing to suggest it to them in the world's literature or religion. It was wholly contrary to everything around them. Where else could they have found it, but where they say they did, in the Gospel?

(23) All ecclesiastical historians and the best Biblical critics and scholars agree to the prevalence of Universalism in the earlier centuries.

(24) From the days of Clement of Alexandria to those of Gregory of Nyssa and Theodore of Mopsuestia (A.D. 180-428), the great theologians and teachers, almost without exception, were Universalists. No equal number in the same centuries were comparable to them for learning and goodness.

(25) The first theological school in Christendom, that in Alexandria, taught Universalism for more than two hundred years.

(26) In all Christendom, from A.D. 170 to 430, there were six Christian schools. Of these four, the only strictly theological schools, taught Universalism, and but one endless punishment.

(28) The first defense of Christianity against Infidelity (Origen against Celsus) puts the defense on Universalistic grounds. Celsus charged the Christians' God with cruelty, because he punished with fire. Origen replied that God's fire is curative; that he is a "Consuming Fire," because he consumes sin and not the sinner.

(29) Origen, the chief representative of Universalism in the ancient centuries, was bitterly opposed and condemned for various heresies by ignorant and cruel fanatics. He was accused of opposing Episcopacy, believing in pre-existence, etc., but never was condemned for his Universalism. The very council that anathematized "Origenism" eulogized Gregory of Nyssa, who was explicitly a Universalist as was Origen. Lists of his errors are given by Methodius, Pamphilus and Eusebius, Marcellus, Eustathius and Jerome, but Universalism is not named by one of his opponents. Fancy a list of Ballou's errors and his Universalism omitted; Hippolytus (A.D. 320) names thirty-two known heresies, but Universalism is not mentioned as among them. Epiphanius, "the hammer of heretics," describes eighty heresies, but he does not mention universal salvation, though Gregory of Nyssa, an outspoken Universalist, was, at the time he wrote, the most conspicuous figure in Christendom.

(30) Justinian, a half-pagan emperor, who attempted to have Universalism officially condemned, lived in the most corrupt epoch of the Christian centuries. He closed the theological schools, and demanded the condemnation of Universalism by law; but the doctrine was so prevalent in the church that the council refused to obey his edict to suppress it. Lecky says the age of Justinian was "the worst form civilization has assumed."

(31) The first clear and definite statement of human destiny by any Christian writer after the days of the Apostles, includes universal restoration, and that doctrine was advocated by most of the greatest and best of the Christian Fathers for the first five hundred years of the Christian
 Quoting: Univeralism: The Prevailing Doctrine


Greek terms AION/AIONIOS mistranslated as 'eternal' in the English versions of the bible - actual usage shown to signify a limited duration (age-lasting, period of time with a beginning and end)

[link to tentmaker.org]


'Hell' Test:

[link to www.tentmaker.org]


Hebrew & Greek Words Mistranslated To Mean 'Hell'

[link to www.godsplanforall.com]

"You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger"

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