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How could a Catholic be a saint, saints were Christ's disciples, they didn't bow down to popes, bishops, cardinals or $$?

 
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How could a Catholic be a saint, saints were Christ's disciples, they didn't bow down to popes, bishops, cardinals or $$?
" They like the most prominent place at evening meals and the front seats in the synagogues, 7 and the greetings in the marketplaces and to be called Rabbi by men. 8 But YOU, do not YOU be called Rabbi, for one is YOUR teacher, whereas all YOU are brothers. 9 Moreover, do not call anyone YOUR father on earth, for one is YOUR Father, the heavenly One. 10 Neither be called ‘leaders,’ for YOUR Leader is one, the Christ. 11 But the greatest one among YOU must be YOUR minister. 12 Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted." Mt23:6

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Re: How could a Catholic be a saint, saints were Christ's disciples, they didn't bow down to popes, bishops, cardinals or $$?
" They like the most prominent place at evening meals and the front seats in the synagogues, 7 and the greetings in the marketplaces and to be called Rabbi by men. 8 But YOU, do not YOU be called Rabbi, for one is YOUR teacher, whereas all YOU are brothers. 9 Moreover, do not call anyone YOUR father on earth, for one is YOUR Father, the heavenly One. 10 Neither be called ‘leaders,’ for YOUR Leader is one, the Christ. 11 But the greatest one among YOU must be YOUR minister. 12 Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted." Mt23:6
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Re: How could a Catholic be a saint, saints were Christ's disciples, they didn't bow down to popes, bishops, cardinals or $$?
Kind of off topic, but it seems as good a place to ask as any. Have either of you heard of a book called, "The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures" published by WTBTS in 1969?
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Re: How could a Catholic be a saint, saints were Christ's disciples, they didn't bow down to popes, bishops, cardinals or $$?
Kind of off topic, but it seems as good a place to ask as any. Have either of you heard of a book called, "The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures" published by WTBTS in 1969?
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Yes, I have a copy
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Re: How could a Catholic be a saint, saints were Christ's disciples, they didn't bow down to popes, bishops, cardinals or $$?
Kind of off topic, but it seems as good a place to ask as any. Have either of you heard of a book called, "The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures" published by WTBTS in 1969?
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Yes, I have a copy
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Awesome. Do you like it? I don't have one right this minute, but a very kind person has left me one and I pick it up this week. Looks like a collectors item and no longer published. Kind of excited to see/read it.
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Re: How could a Catholic be a saint, saints were Christ's disciples, they didn't bow down to popes, bishops, cardinals or $$?
Kind of off topic, but it seems as good a place to ask as any. Have either of you heard of a book called, "The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures" published by WTBTS in 1969?
 Quoting: Nine's


Yes, I have a copy
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Awesome. Do you like it? I don't have one right this minute, but a very kind person has left me one and I pick it up this week. Looks like a collectors item and no longer published. Kind of excited to see/read it.
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I just pulled it off the shelf, am going to look at it a bit closer, can I get back to you on this as I need to step out for a couple hours, ( and by the way, that is really cool you are getting a copy, for I do not believe they are any longer in print)
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Re: How could a Catholic be a saint, saints were Christ's disciples, they didn't bow down to popes, bishops, cardinals or $$?
Kind of off topic, but it seems as good a place to ask as any. Have either of you heard of a book called, "The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures" published by WTBTS in 1969?
 Quoting: Nine's


Yes, I have a copy
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Awesome. Do you like it? I don't have one right this minute, but a very kind person has left me one and I pick it up this week. Looks like a collectors item and no longer published. Kind of excited to see/read it.
 Quoting: Nine's


I just pulled it off the shelf, am going to look at it a bit closer, can I get back to you on this as I need to step out for a couple hours, ( and by the way, that is really cool you are getting a copy, for I do not believe they are any longer in print)
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That's ok, you don't have to. Have to start chores myself. I think it's cool too! Supposed to show the Greek words translated to English. Should be a good reference.
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Yes, I have a copy
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Awesome. Do you like it? I don't have one right this minute, but a very kind person has left me one and I pick it up this week. Looks like a collectors item and no longer published. Kind of excited to see/read it.
 Quoting: Nine's


I just pulled it off the shelf, am going to look at it a bit closer, can I get back to you on this as I need to step out for a couple hours, ( and by the way, that is really cool you are getting a copy, for I do not believe they are any longer in print)
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That's ok, you don't have to. Have to start chores myself. I think it's cool too! Supposed to show the Greek words translated to English. Should be a good reference.
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Re: How could a Catholic be a saint, saints were Christ's disciples, they didn't bow down to popes, bishops, cardinals or $$?
there have been great souls who have INCARNATED into the Catholic church to serve thru it… these are always Saints and no pope can make someone a saint...
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Serve who?
" 5 Do YOU not remember that, while I was yet with YOU, I used to tell YOU these things?
6 And so now YOU know the thing that acts as a restraint, with a view to his being revealed in his own due time. 7 True, the mystery of this lawlessness is already at work; but only till he who is right now acting as a restraint gets to be out of the way. 8 Then, indeed, the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will do away with by the spirit of his mouth and bring to nothing by the manifestation of his presence. 9 But the lawless one’s presence is according to the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and portents 10 and with every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth that they might be saved. 11 So that is why God lets an operation of error go to them, that they may get to believing the lie, 12 in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness." 2Thes2:3
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Re: How could a Catholic be a saint, saints were Christ's disciples, they didn't bow down to popes, bishops, cardinals or $$?
there have been great souls who have INCARNATED into the Catholic church to serve thru it… these are always Saints and no pope can make someone a saint...
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What specifically is a saint?
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Re: How could a Catholic be a saint, saints were Christ's disciples, they didn't bow down to popes, bishops, cardinals or $$?
there have been great souls who have INCARNATED into the Catholic church to serve thru it… these are always Saints and no pope can make someone a saint...
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What specifically is a saint?
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I guess someone who is holy

(Let those who are holy keep on being holy (revelations))
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Re: How could a Catholic be a saint, saints were Christ's disciples, they didn't bow down to popes, bishops, cardinals or $$?
there have been great souls who have INCARNATED into the Catholic church to serve thru it… these are always Saints and no pope can make someone a saint...
 Quoting: Abinadi


What specifically is a saint?
 Quoting: DGN


I guess someone who is holy

(Let those who are holy keep on being holy (revelations))
 Quoting: Inspired 2

Holy just means clean in God's eyes. All first century disciples were 'saints' meaning they were of the first covenant, chosen to serve as assistant kings with Jesus and invited to heaven by means of the first resurrection when Jesus began ruling in 1914.
"And I saw thrones, and there were those who sat down on them, and power of judging was given them. Yes, I saw the souls of those executed with the ax for the witness they bore to Jesus and for speaking about God, and those who had worshiped neither the wild beast nor its image and who had not received the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand. And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Happy and holy is anyone having part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no authority, but they will be priests of God and of the Christ, and will rule as kings with him for the thousand years." Rv20:4
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Re: How could a Catholic be a saint, saints were Christ's disciples, they didn't bow down to popes, bishops, cardinals or $$?
In your previous post it seems you define 'Saints' yourself.

In my language "Saint" is translated as Heilige, which means "holy one".

I keep my stand Saint meaning Holy one.
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Serve who?
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Re: How could a Catholic be a saint, saints were Christ's disciples, they didn't bow down to popes, bishops, cardinals or $$?
In your previous post it seems you define 'Saints' yourself.

In my language "Saint" is translated as Heilige, which means "holy one".

I keep my stand Saint meaning Holy one.
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That's right, 'saints' are the holy ones because they are resurrected as spirit creature freed from the taint of inherited sin, a 'new creation'. This scripture is not regarding the first resurrection but describes how the remnant of disciples chosen to serve as assistant kings are transferred to heaven;
"However, this I say, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s kingdom, neither does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Look! I tell YOU a sacred secret: We shall not all fall asleep [in death], but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this which is corruptible must put on incorruption, and this which is mortal must put on immortality. 54 But when [this which is corruptible puts on incorruption and] this which is mortal puts on immortality, then the saying will take place that is written: “Death is swallowed up forever.” 55 “Death, where is your victory? Death, where is your sting?” 56 The sting producing death is sin, but the power for sin is the Law. 57 But thanks to God, for he gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ!" 1Cor15:50
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Re: How could a Catholic be a saint, saints were Christ's disciples, they didn't bow down to popes, bishops, cardinals or $$?
Sad though, I feel like you insulted catholics by claiming they bow down to popes, bishops and cardinals.
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Re: How could a Catholic be a saint, saints were Christ's disciples, they didn't bow down to popes, bishops, cardinals or $$?
The Catholic church does not MAKE Saints. It merely recognizes through examining the evidence that a persons life is Holy enough that they are a Saint
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Re: How could a Catholic be a saint, saints were Christ's disciples, they didn't bow down to popes, bishops, cardinals or $$?
The Catholic church does not MAKE Saints. It merely recognizes through examining the evidence that a persons life is Holy enough that they are a Saint
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Well, then what would it matter if man declared you Saint, yet God doesn't?


Do you see all I mean?
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Re: How could a Catholic be a saint, saints were Christ's disciples, they didn't bow down to popes, bishops, cardinals or $$?
The Catholic church does not MAKE Saints. It merely recognizes through examining the evidence that a persons life is Holy enough that they are a Saint
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A holy life style does not qualify one to be a 'saint', it is a matter of being chosen by God to become an assistant king of Jesus during his 1,000 year reign, it is a unique covenant only God can offer, which Jesus did at the last supper;

"However, there also arose a heated dispute among them over which one of them seemed to be greatest. 25 But he said to them: “The kings of the nations lord it over them, and those having authority over them are called Benefactors. 26 YOU, though, are not to be that way. But let him that is the greatest among YOU become as the youngest, and the one acting as chief as the one ministering. 27 For which one is greater, the one reclining at the table or the one ministering? Is it not the one reclining at the table? But I am in YOUR midst as the one ministering.
28 “However, YOU are the ones that have stuck with me in my trials; 29 and I make a covenant with YOU, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom, 30 that YOU may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones to judge the twelve tribes of Israel." Lk22;24





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