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Prostitution is illegal!!! Attorney are not giving bad advice!!

 
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Prostitution is illegal!!! Attorney are not giving bad advice!!
Stop calling independent escorts “prostitutes.” They are NOT prostitutes because they don’t work for a pimp. Independent escorts who offer erotic services are SEX WORKERS AND NOT PROSTITUTES.

A prostitute is person who works for a pimp. It doesn’t matter if they get paid for sex or not. As long as the pimp that is arranging a sex act, they are considered a prostitute. It doesn’t matter if the pimp gets paid. The pimp can be a person who receives non-monetary favors.
When there is a pimp involved, the act is consider prostitution. Prostitution is commercial sex.
Not all street walkers are prostitutes. If they solicit on the street and there is no pimp, the act is considered loitering for soliciting sex acts. The solicitation on the streets is considered prostitution when there is a pimp involved.

I hope people will change their terminology to be in line with the legal terminology. Associating “escort services” and “escorts” with “prostitution” and “prostitute” gives escorts a bad name.

The words “prostitution” and “prostitutes” give a bad perception towards “escorts” and “escort service.”
When the police chief make the statement that prostitution is NOT a victimless crime, they are correct. Prostitution involves a pimp or a prostitution ring. Organized prostitution ring or pimping contributes to other crimes in a neighborhood.

“[3] A prostitute is defined as a woman who offers herself indiscriminately to sexual intercourse for hire (People v. Romo, 200 Cal.App.2d 83, 90, 19 Cal.Rptr. 179; People v. Phillips, 70 Cal.App.2d 449, 452, 160 P.2d 872).” - PEOPLE of the State of California, v. Calvin Willie ROBISON, 4 Cal.App.3d 1014

“hire. vb. To employ a person for labor or services. A bailment, where compensation is to be given the use of a thing, or for labor or services about it. The contract of letting and hiring is usually divided into two kinds; first, Locatio, or Locatio conductio rei, the bailment of a thing to be used by the hirer, for compensation to be paid by him. Secondly, Locatio operis, or the hire of the labor and services of the hirer, for a compensation to be paid by the letter. ” -Dean’s Law Dictionary

“A case might be made for limiting the offense of prostitution to “promiscuous” sexual activity for hire. 25 Requiring promiscuity as well as hire would, for example, bar prosecution of a mistress who is supported by her lover. Such situations fall somewhat outside the target evils of our Section, but the “hire” requirement itself is probably a sufficient safeguard, since the lover’s financial contributions in these relationships are more likely to be interpreted as gifts out of general affection rather than “hire” for sexual activity.” -MPC Comment pg.175 (12)

The statement “Do as thou wilt is the whole of the law. Love under will. Love under will” doesn’t grant the right to pimp someone. The decision to have sex should be a personal decision and not based on another. A pimp is imposing his or her will on the person under them. There is no constitutional right to liberty to engage in prostitution under the 14th amendment. The liberty is not personal but based on a pimp with or without prostitution ring.

By making a legal argument in court there is a constitutional right to patronize a prostitute, the defendant or the plaintiff is asking the court to grant a constitutional right to patronize a pimp or a person working for a pimp. The courts have ruled there is no constitutional right to patronize a prostitute because prostitution is a commercial activity. The pimp creates a commercial sex situation. I have not seen a court case where the judge ruled on the right to patronize a sex worker.

Prostitution is illegal. That is correct. No attorney is giving bad advice by stating that prostitution is illegal. If an independent escort did not rebut the presumption of the pimp, they are admitting to prostitution (depend on the state). Just remember there can an imaginary or fictional pimp that can exist in the legal system unless rebutted.
This is not a word game. My definition of “prostitute” and “prostitution” is based on court decisions. An allegory is the difference between asking for “hamburger” vs. “hotdogs.”
Not legal advice. For educational purpose only!!

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All righty then.
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ok....argue that in court and make a video.

deal?
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Yes, because prostitution laws specify the girl MUST work for a "pimp"


You're an idiot
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An attorney who had sex in exchange for office supplies for her legal practice and later pleaded guilty to prostitution charges has agreed to have her law license suspended for three years, state records show.

Reema Bajaj, 27, a Northern Illinois University law school graduate who became a licensed attorney in 2010, worked as a call girl between 2005 and 2011, according to the complaint filed against her by the Illinois Attorney Registration and Disciplinary Commission.

She posted online ads under the name Nikita and accepted money, DVDs, gift cards and supplies for her law practice in Sycamore from two men in exchange for sex, the complaint alleged.


[link to www.chicagotribune.com]


Convicted prostitute.....no pimp.
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Stop calling independent escorts “prostitutes.” They are NOT prostitutes because they don’t work for a pimp. Independent escorts who offer erotic services are SEX WORKERS AND NOT PROSTITUTES.

A prostitute is person who works for a pimp. It doesn’t matter if they get paid for sex or not. As long as the pimp that is arranging a sex act, they are considered a prostitute. It doesn’t matter if the pimp gets paid. The pimp can be a person who receives non-monetary favors.
When there is a pimp involved, the act is consider prostitution. Prostitution is commercial sex.
Not all street walkers are prostitutes. If they solicit on the street and there is no pimp, the act is considered loitering for soliciting sex acts. The solicitation on the streets is considered prostitution when there is a pimp involved.

I hope people will change their terminology to be in line with the legal terminology. Associating “escort services” and “escorts” with “prostitution” and “prostitute” gives escorts a bad name.

The words “prostitution” and “prostitutes” give a bad perception towards “escorts” and “escort service.”
When the police chief make the statement that prostitution is NOT a victimless crime, they are correct. Prostitution involves a pimp or a prostitution ring. Organized prostitution ring or pimping contributes to other crimes in a neighborhood.

“[3] A prostitute is defined as a woman who offers herself indiscriminately to sexual intercourse for hire (People v. Romo, 200 Cal.App.2d 83, 90, 19 Cal.Rptr. 179; People v. Phillips, 70 Cal.App.2d 449, 452, 160 P.2d 872).” - PEOPLE of the State of California, v. Calvin Willie ROBISON, 4 Cal.App.3d 1014

“hire. vb. To employ a person for labor or services. A bailment, where compensation is to be given the use of a thing, or for labor or services about it. The contract of letting and hiring is usually divided into two kinds; first, Locatio, or Locatio conductio rei, the bailment of a thing to be used by the hirer, for compensation to be paid by him. Secondly, Locatio operis, or the hire of the labor and services of the hirer, for a compensation to be paid by the letter. ” -Dean’s Law Dictionary

“A case might be made for limiting the offense of prostitution to “promiscuous” sexual activity for hire. 25 Requiring promiscuity as well as hire would, for example, bar prosecution of a mistress who is supported by her lover. Such situations fall somewhat outside the target evils of our Section, but the “hire” requirement itself is probably a sufficient safeguard, since the lover’s financial contributions in these relationships are more likely to be interpreted as gifts out of general affection rather than “hire” for sexual activity.” -MPC Comment pg.175 (12)

The statement “Do as thou wilt is the whole of the law. Love under will. Love under will” doesn’t grant the right to pimp someone. The decision to have sex should be a personal decision and not based on another. A pimp is imposing his or her will on the person under them. There is no constitutional right to liberty to engage in prostitution under the 14th amendment. The liberty is not personal but based on a pimp with or without prostitution ring.

By making a legal argument in court there is a constitutional right to patronize a prostitute, the defendant or the plaintiff is asking the court to grant a constitutional right to patronize a pimp or a person working for a pimp. The courts have ruled there is no constitutional right to patronize a prostitute because prostitution is a commercial activity. The pimp creates a commercial sex situation. I have not seen a court case where the judge ruled on the right to patronize a sex worker.

Prostitution is illegal. That is correct. No attorney is giving bad advice by stating that prostitution is illegal. If an independent escort did not rebut the presumption of the pimp, they are admitting to prostitution (depend on the state). Just remember there can an imaginary or fictional pimp that can exist in the legal system unless rebutted.
This is not a word game. My definition of “prostitute” and “prostitution” is based on court decisions. An allegory is the difference between asking for “hamburger” vs. “hotdogs.”
Not legal advice. For educational purpose only!!

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so , what you are saying is a man whore with a pimp is legal in California?

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homosexual prostitution is the only thing illegal in texas...

Sec. 43.02. PROSTITUTION. (a) A person commits an offense if he knowingly:

(1) offers to engage, agrees to engage, or engages in sexual conduct for a fee; or

(2) solicits another in a public place to engage with him in sexual conduct for hire.

(b) An offense is established under Subsection (a)(1) whether the actor is to receive or pay a fee. An offense is established under Subsection (a)(2) whether the actor solicits a person to hire him or offers to hire the person solicited.


person is redefined in this section as only him or he....
even actor has been defined by the section as him or he...

because of this...

(2) "Prostitution" means the offense defined in Section 43.02.

Everything in that section is a definition... or stand alone.

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Lots of women have a good law suite if they ever been arrested for prostitution in Texas.


The aclu needs to take these case to get the women released from prison and push for a multi billion dollar law suite.

Texas law on prositution has been unchanged for years ...

women are in prison falsely.

[link to jezebel.com]


American Statesman, Texas has more than 350 prostitutes languishing in its state prisons, many of them casualties of a crackdown on truck stop and street prostitution in and around Dallas.

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Did law school teach her nothing? She is supposed to bill all people she screws.tounge
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Read this journal article. Do you think the attorneys are contracting this journal article when they say prostitution is illegal?

In my opinion, "No." The prostitution laws depends on the context. People may think that attorneys are giving incorrect advice because this journal articles and court decisions on mistress-lovers relationship. They are not. They are telling the truth and giving good advice.

The intent is that the federal government regulate prostitution in interstate commerce . The state government regulate prostitution in intrastate commerce

The American Law Institute is the "people" in the 10th amendment that regulate commercial prostitution.

[link to www.pennstatelawreview.org]
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They prefer the term "escort" ...
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ROE V WADE doesn't that say to the effect a " its a woman's body and she can do what she wants with it."
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Did you get busted recently by the police???
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They prefer the term "escort" ...
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I call them a date...
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ROE V WADE doesn't that say to the effect a " its a woman's body and she can do what she wants with it."
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If I was a women with a hot body, will I prostitute? hmmm....
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Regular sex is necessary for men's optimum health, especially as they get older.

Many men cannot attract a willing woman regardless of their finances, body or personality.

I would argue that the sex worker is performing a necessary service and that the man can argue necessity, since without paying the woman, there would be little to no likelihood of finding the sex partner/bedmate that he needs.

Suggestions on how to get and keep a regular and decent looking bedmate when you have no game or attraction would be appreciated.