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[Ed. Note: This report should be read from its website location at [link to www.whatdoesitmean.com] as this email copy does not contain the links embedded in the original report.]

June 9, 2006

Balkanization Of United States Begins As Hawaii Set To Break Away From Union, Putin Warns Of Full Scale Counterattack

By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Russian Subscribers

Russian Intelligence Analysts are reporting today the United States Military Leaders plan for the breaking up of their Nation has begun with their Senate approving of the plans to break away their Pacific Ocean State of Hawaii, and as we can read as reported by the Washington Times News Service in their article titled "Senate to consider letting Hawaiians pursue sovereignty", and which says:

"Hawaii Sen. Daniel K. Akaka thinks Hawaiians should be allowed to govern themselves as Native Americans and Alaskans do, and after seven years of pushing a bill to start the process, the Senate is expected to take it up this week.

Mr. Akaka says the bill is a way to give "indigenous" Hawaiians a sense of pride and a chance for sovereignty for the first time since 1893, when Queen Liliuokalani was deposed and lands were illegally seized by U.S. Marines and a cadre of sugar-plantation businessmen.

"For the first time, if it passes, Hawaiians will have parity and be able to form a government entity to address their concerns, since the overthrow," Mr. Akaka said."

The ‘disturbing logic’ of this new plan by the Military Leaders of the United States, according to these reports, is that if allowed to leave the United States because its territory was ‘seized illegally’, other vast portions of the United States would likewise have the same claim as Hawaii, and more specifically the South Western Portions of America which is presently seeing an unprecedented migration of Mexicans intent on re-claiming this area for Mexico.

Not being understood by the Americans themselves is that the plan for their eventual breakup has been long in coming, and with the International precedents being put into place at the United Nations using the fragmented parts of the former Yugoslavia as ‘test cases’.

To the American people their countries unprovoked war upon Yugoslavia was for the saving of lives among various ethnic groups at war with each other. But to the true facts were that these ethnic conflicts were all started by the United States itself for the purpose of experimenting in the best uses of military force, propaganda and UN actions in how best to accomplish fracturing a nation down among ethnic lines for the purposes of greater control and ultimate subservience to their Empire.

The last phase of these American machinations is currently being played out in the United Nations, and where the Serbian Nations province of Kosovo, and which was promised by the United States upon their invasion of that country would forever be a part of Serbia, is seeking independence, and as we can read as reported by Russia’s RIA Novosti News Service in their article titled "Kosovo decision to set precedent", and which says:

"A decision on the status of the Serbian province of Kosovo will set a precedent in Europe, Russia's official representative at the Council of Europe said Thursday. Alexander Orlov said the decision on granting it independence "could become universal for the rest of Europe."

Kosovo has been under the administration of the UN since 1999 but it is widely assumed the Albanian-majority population will be granted independence from Serbia, which should mark the final carving up of the old Yugoslavia following Montenegro's May 21 vote to secede from Serbia. Orlov said this could set an example for decision-making on the status of other provinces, including Transdnestr, a breakaway region in Moldova, and South Ossetia and Abkhazia, self-proclaimed republics in Georgia.

Orlov said the United Nations was playing the key role in talks on the status of Kosovo but added that the Council of Europe could help the province determine its constitutional system, control the observation of human rights and the rights of ethnic minorities. Russia has consistently advocated the rights of Serbs living in Kosovo, many of whom have been driven out of the province, and highlighted the plight of the Orthodox Church, whose buildings have often been attacked."

Not just to their own Nation and Yugoslavia, but also to Iraq have these plans by the United States Military Leaders been carried out, even to the point where because of the deliberate planning of the American Generals the once sovereign nation of Iraq is now in effect 3 separate and distinct countries, and which we can see evidenced by the Kurdish Media News Service in their article titled "Breaking up Iraq - Divide and heal", and which says:

"Despite the imminent formation of a government of national unity, Iraq is splintering into its three historic provinces. The break-up can be managed, but it cannot be avoided. The western powers and Iraqi nationalists must now accept that radical federalism is the only alternative to civil war. The partitioning, or rather radical decentralisation, of Iraq is under way. This should not necessarily be seen as a problem."

Where the people of the United States have seen no problem with their Nation having destroyed two countries, Yugoslavia and Iraq, within the past decade it remains to be seen how they will react to the tearing apart of their own Homeland when their Mexican nationals cry for freedom for their own lands illegally seized by the United States in the 19th Century.

Sadly however these reports state that the vast majority of these Americans are not even aware of how powerful, and for how long, the forces for breaking apart their Nation are, and as we can see evidenced by a 2002 American article titled "Is Mexico Reconquering U.S. southwest?", and which says:

"A radical Hispanic movement's dream to retake the southwestern United States is becoming a reality with the aid of Mexican and U.S. policies, according to some immigration watchers. A massive influx of illegal immigrants is "importing poverty" and growing an ethnic community with greater loyalty to Mexico than the U.S., maintains Glenn Spencer, president of Voices of Citizens Together a California-based non-profit group.

"Unless this is shut down within two years, I believe that it will be irreversible, and that it will most certainly lead to a breakup of the United States," Spencer told WorldNetDaily. "I don't think there is any doubt about it." A breakaway of U.S. states is a distinct possibility, according to prominent Chicano activist and University of California at Riverside professor Armando Navarro. In an interview with WorldNetDaily, Navarro would not answer directly whether he shared separatist aspirations, but said that if demographic and social trends continue, secession is inevitable.

"If in 50 years most of our people are subordinated, powerless, exploited and impoverished, then I will say to you that there are all kinds of possibilities for movements to develop like the ones that we've witnessed in the last few years all over the world, from Yugoslavia to Chechnya," Navarro said. "A secessionist movement is not something that you can put away and say it is never going to happen in the United States," he continued. "Time and history change."

In a 1995 speech to Chicano activists, Navarro said demographic trends are leading to "a transfer of power" to the ethnic Mexican community in the Southwest. He notes that most studies show that within the next 20 to 30 years Latinos will comprise more than 50 percent of the population of California. This fact, and other cultural and social developments, are opening the door for "self-determination" and even "the idea of an Aztlán," he said in his speech.

Aztlán, the mythical birthplace of the Aztecs, is regarded in Chicano folklore as an area that includes California, Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico and parts of Colorado and Texas. Spencer believes the aim is to create a sovereign state, "Republica del Norte," the Republic of the North, that would combine the American Southwest with the northern Mexican states and eventually merge with Mexico."

These American people are likewise unaware that what they believe to be the United States, a sovereign Nation that occupies land with borders, has never been a country but is instead a Corporation, the US States were the sovereign holders of land and borders. And so powerful has the United States grown that it literally spans the globe with its Economic might, and the Military might to protect its vast corporate holdings.

Little too do these Americans know, that even should their Counter-Coup forces prevail there remains no United States industrial manufacturing capacity left with which they could defend themselves. Even if vast portions of American Soldiers should side with their Counter-Coup forces their remains no American shipping or aircraft available to re-patriot them to their own country.

To those few Americans still fighting for their freedom their likelihood of success appears doomed as new reports from the United States show that they have now control the largest gulag the world has ever seen, and as we can read as reported by the Seattle Times News Service in their article titled "Report details failure of U.S. prison system", and which says:

"Americans spend $60 billion a year to imprison 2.2 million people — exceeding any other nation — but receive a dismal return on the investment, according to a report to be released today by a commission urging greater public scrutiny of what goes on behind bars."


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not bad... as with most all faal articles, i read but several paragraphs to get the basic tone of it...

something about the writing style...

her best piece was the '3 stones' which i read all the way through... until she lost it in the end by asking for money...
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Hawaiian Sovreignty is real -

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UNITED STATES PUBLIC LAW 103-150

103d Congress Joint Resolution 19
Nov. 23, 1993
To acknowledge the 100th anniversary of the January 17, 1893 overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii, and to offer an apology to Native Hawaiians on behalf of the United States for the overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii.

Whereas, prior to the arrival of the first Europeans in 1778, the Native Hawaiian people lived in a highly organized, self-sufficient, subsistent social system based on communal land tenure with a sophisticated language, culture, and religion;

Whereas, a unified monarchical government of the Hawaiian Islands was established in 1810 under Kamehameha I, the first King of Hawaii;

Whereas, from 1826 until 1893, the United States recognized the independence of the Kingdom of Hawaii, extended full and complete diplomatic recognition to the Hawaiian Government, and entered into treaties and conventions with the Hawaiian monarchs to govern commerce and navigation in 1826, 1842, 1849, 1875, and 1887;

Whereas, the Congregational Church (now known as the United Church of Christ), through its American Board of Commissioners for Foreign Missions, sponsored and sent more than 100 missionaries to the Kingdom of Hawaii between 1820 and 1850;

Whereas, on January 14, 1893, John L. Stevens (hereafter referred to in this Resolution as the "United States Minister"), the United States Minister assigned to the sovereign and independent Kingdom of Hawaii conspired with a small group of non-Hawaiian residents of the Kingdom of Hawaii, including citizens of the United States, to overthrow the indigenous and lawful Government of Hawaii;

Whereas, in pursuance of the conspiracy to overthrow the Government of Hawaii, the United States Minister and the naval representatives of the United States caused armed naval forces of the United States to invade the sovereign Hawaiian nation on January 16, 1893, and to position themselves near the Hawaiian Government buildings and the Iolani Palace to intimidate Queen Liliuokalani and her Government;

Whereas, on the afternoon of January 17,1893, a Committee of Safety that represented the American and European sugar planters, descendants of missionaries, and financiers deposed the Hawaiian monarchy and proclaimed the establishment of a Provisional Government;

Whereas, the United States Minister thereupon extended diplomatic recognition to the Provisional Government that was formed by the conspirators without the consent of the Native Hawaiian people or the lawful Government of Hawaii and in violation of treaties between the two nations and of international law;

Whereas, soon thereafter, when informed of the risk of bloodshed with resistance, Queen Liliuokalani issued the following statement yielding her authority to the United States Government rather than to the Provisional Government:


"I Liliuokalani, by the Grace of God and under the Constitution of the Hawaiian Kingdom, Queen, do hereby solemnly protest against any and all acts done against myself and the Constitutional Government of the Hawaiian Kingdom by certain persons claiming to have established a Provisional Government of and for this Kingdom.
"That I yield to the superior force of the United States of America whose Minister Plenipotentiary, His Excellency John L. Stevens, has caused United States troops to be landed a Honolulu and declared that he would support the Provisional Government.

"Now to avoid any collision of armed forces, and perhaps the loss of life, I do this under protest and impelled by said force yield my authority until such time as the Government of the United States shall, upon facts being presented to it, undo the action of its representatives and reinstate me in the authority which I claim as the Constitutional Sovereign of the Hawaiian Islands.".

Done at Honolulu this 17th day of January, A.D. 1893.;

Whereas, without the active support and intervention by the United States diplomatic and military representatives, the insurrection against the Government of Queen Liliuokalani would have failed for lack of popular support and insufficient arms;

Whereas, on February 1, 1893, the United States Minister raised the American flag and proclaimed Hawaii to be a protectorate of the United States;

Whereas, the report of a Presidentially established investigation conducted by former Congressman James Blount into the events surrounding the insurrection and overthrow of January 17, 1893, concluded that the United States diplomatic and military representatives had abused their authority and were responsible for the change in government;

Whereas, as a result of this investigation, the United States Minister to Hawaii was recalled from his diplomatic post and the military commander of the United States armed forces stationed in Hawaii was disciplined and forced to resign his commission;

Whereas, in a message to Congress on December 18, 1893, President Grover Cleveland reported fully and accurately on the illegal acts of the conspirators, described such acts as an "act of war, committed with the participation of a diplomatic representative of the United States and without authority of Congress", and acknowledged that by such acts the government of a peaceful and friendly people was overthrown;

Whereas, President Cleveland further concluded that a "substantial wrong has thus been done which a due regard for our national character as well as the rights of the injured people requires we should endeavor to repair" and called for the restoration of the Hawaiian monarchy;

Whereas, the Provisional Government protested President Cleveland's call for the restoration of the monarchy and continued to hold state power and pursue annexation to the United States;

Whereas, the Provisional Government successfully lobbied the Committee on Foreign Relations of the Senate (hereafter referred to in this Resolution as the "Committee") to conduct a new investigation into the events surrounding the overthrow of the monarchy;

Whereas, the Committee and its chairman, Senator John Morgan, conducted hearings in Washington, D.C., from December 27,1893, through February 26, 1894, in which members of the Provisional Government justified and condoned the actions of the United States Minister and recommended annexation of Hawaii;

Whereas, although the Provisional Government was able to obscure the role of the United States in the illegal overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy, it was unable to rally the support from two-thirds of the Senate needed to ratify a treaty of annexation;

Whereas, on July 4, 1894, the Provisional Government declared itself to be the Republic of Hawaii;

Whereas, on January 24, 1895, while imprisoned in Iolani Palace, Queen Liliuokalani was forced by representatives of the Republic of Hawaii to officially abdicate her throne;

Whereas, in the 1896 United States Presidential election, William McKinley replaced Grover Cleveland;

Whereas, on July 7, 1898, as a consequence of the Spanish-American War, President McKinley signed the Newlands Joint Resolution that provided for the annexation of Hawaii;

Whereas, through the Newlands Resolution, the self-declared Republic of Hawaii ceded sovereignty over the Hawaiian Islands to the United States;

Whereas, the Republic of Hawaii also ceded 1,800,000 acres of crown, government and public lands of the Kingdom of Hawaii, without the consent of or compensation to the Native Hawaiian people of Hawaii or their sovereign government;

Whereas, the Congress, through the Newlands Resolution, ratified the cession, annexed Hawaii as part of the United States, and vested title to the lands in Hawaii in the United States;

Whereas, the Newlands Resolution also specified that treaties existing between Hawaii and foreign nations were to immediately cease and be replaced by United States treaties with such nations;

Whereas, the Newlands Resolution effected the transaction between the Republic of Hawaii and the United States Government;

Whereas, the indigenous Hawaiian people never directly relinquished their claims to their inherent sovereignty as a people or over their national lands to the United States, either through their monarchy or through a plebiscite or referendum;

Whereas, on April 30, 1900, President McKinley signed the Organic Act that provided a government for the territory of Hawaii and defined the political structure and powers of the newly established Territorial Government and its relationship to the United States;

Whereas, on August 21,1959, Hawaii became the 50th State of the United States;

Whereas, the health and well-being of the Native Hawaiian people is intrinsically tied to their deep feelings and attachment to the land;

Whereas, the long-range economic and social changes in Hawaii over the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries have been devastating to the population and to the health and well-being of the Hawaiian people;

Whereas, the Native Hawaiian people are determined to preserve, develop and transmit to future generations their ancestral territory, and their cultural identity in accordance with their own spiritual and traditional beliefs, customs, practices, language, and social institutions;

Whereas, in order to promote racial harmony and cultural understanding, the Legislature of the State of Hawaii has determined that the year 1993, should serve Hawaii as a year of special reflection on the rights and dignities of the Native Hawaiians in the Hawaiian and the American societies;

Whereas, the Eighteenth General Synod of the United Church of Christ in recognition of the denomination's historical complicity in the illegal overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii in 1893 directed the Office of the President of the United Church of Christ to offer a public apology to the Native Hawaiian people and to initiate the process of reconciliation between the United Church of Christ and the Native Hawaiians; and

Whereas, it is proper and timely for the Congress on the occasion of the impending one hundredth anniversary of the event, to acknowledge the historic significance of the illegal overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii, to express its deep regret to the Native Hawaiian people, and to support the reconciliation efforts of the State of Hawaii and the United Church of Christ with Native Hawaiians;

Now, therefore, be it

Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,


SECTION 1. ACKNOWLEDGMENT AND APOLOGY.
The Congress -

(1) on the occasion of the 100th anniversary of the illegal overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii on January 17, 1893, acknowledges the historical significance of this event which resulted in the suppression of the inherent sovereignty of the Native Hawaiian people;

(2) recognizes and commends efforts of reconciliation initiated by the State of Hawaii and the United Church of Christ with Native Hawaiians;

(3) apologizes to Native Hawaiians on behalf of the people of the United States for the overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii on January 17, 1893 with the participation of agents and citizens of the United States, and the deprivation of the rights of Native Hawaiians to self-determination;

(4) expresses its commitment to acknowledge the ramifications of the overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii, in order to provide a proper foundation for reconciliation between the United States and the Native Hawaiian people; and

(5) urges the President of the United States to also acknowledge the ramifications of the overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii and to support reconciliation efforts between the United States and the Native Hawaiian people.


SEC. 2. DEFINITIONS.
As used in this Joint Resolution, the term "Native Hawaiians" means any individual who is a descendent of the aboriginal people who, prior to 1778, occupied and exercised sovereignty in the area that now constitutes the State of Hawaii.


SEC. 3. DISCLAIMER.
Nothing in this Joint Resolution is intended to serve as a settlement of any claims against the United States.

Approved November 23, 1993

______________________________
LEGISLATIVE HISTORY - S.J. Res. 19:

SENATE REPORTS: No. 103-125 (Select Comm. on Indian Affairs)
CONGRESSIONAL RECORD, Vol. 139 (1993):

Oct. 27, considered and passed Senate.
Nov. 15, considered and passed House.
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Here's an interesting twist to this latest from Sorcha.

First of all her site was the only one I saw that was following this, but at the same time she emails this story on her website she posts this one.

A 'heads up' maybe? I know one thing, that vote was REALLY close!

Is the US indeed heading for a breakup?

U.S. Senate Rejects Motion To Bring Akaka Hawaii Bill To Full Vote

HONOLULU -- The U.S. Senate began debating on Wednesday the long-stalled Native Hawaiian Recognition Bill at the U.S. Capitol.

The bill needed 60 of the 100 senators to vote for it, but only 56 did with 41 voting against it. Thursday's vote effectively kills the bill.

Supporters of the bill said they believed that there were enough votes in the Senate to bring the bill to the floor for a final vote.

The Senate debated the so-called Akaka Bill for three hours on Wednesday.

Proponents of the legislation said the Akaka Bill would have established a process to clarify the political and legal relationship of Native Hawaiians and the federal government, relating to the overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy.

The bill had faced opposition from a number of groups including several Native Hawaiian groups and the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights. The commission spoke out against the measure. The commission's draft report said the Akaka Bill was discriminatory and divisive.

The Akaka Bill was introduced six years

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United Nations Plans for America's Future

At the 55th annual meeting of the United Nations General Assembly in New York City on September 5-9, 2000, called the Millennium Assembly and Summit, far-reaching plans are underway to turn the corner from a world of sovereign, independent nation-states to a world of disparate peoples subordinated to the supreme authority of the United Nations.

These plans call for the total restructuring of the mission and powers of the United Nations.
To achieve this goal, the UN is scheduled to consider at least two actions, by consensus rather than by formal vote: adoption of the Earth Charter, a document whose text has evolved through several drafts since the Earth Summit in 1992, and adoption of a Declaration authorizing a new UN commission to implement recommendations to bring about global governance. Global governance means world government by incremental steps, chipping away at national sovereignty one treaty at a time, one world conference at a time, one UN commission at a time.
[link to www.eagleforum.org]

"More and more of our nation's land has become subject to international land-use restrictions... A total of 67 sites in the United States have been designated as UN Biosphere Reserves or World Heritage Sites.

These programs are run by UNESCO-an arm of the UN... The Biosphere Reserve program is not even authorized by a single U.S. law or even an international treaty.

That is wrong. Executive branch appointees... should not do things that the law does not authorize."
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You know, ALASKA would be smart to break
away from the union too, they do after all
have a lot of oil. Each citizen of the
state gets a piece of the sale of oil
action every year.
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Once again, someone is trying hard to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

UNITED STATES PUBLIC LAW 103-150

I see a bunch of Whereas's and one Therefore, nothing that indicates the abdication or potential abdication of the State of Hawaii.

The Native American Indians have sovereignty and so should other aboriginal groups.

Next thing you know those Native Hawaiians will be running casinos and selling tax free cigarettes and gasoline.
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russia is all hot air like sorcha bish lmao russia is just a bunch of ghost towns after the usa tricked them into breaking up the soviet union you dum commy bish.the population of russia decreases by 700,000 people per day lmao heheheeheheheheehe
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Ok, follow the links here, the only government of the US that King Kamehameha of the Sandwich Isles officially recognized was that of Emperor Joshua Norton I, Emperor of the United States and Protector of Mexico. King K's regime was toppled by greedy ranchers and Christian missonaries who each wanted to carve a little something for themselves out of K's realm. Emperor Norton abolished Congress, fired Abraham Lincoln, and outlawed the Democratic and Republican Parties. Emperor Norton left no heir.


See, now if the natives of the Sandwich islands choose to exercise their soverignity from the United States, the whole goddamned corrupt ball of string starts to unravel. Sadly, this will not be allowed to happen. Be prepared to see any nascent native movement to be supressed more brutally, than the failed liberation of the island of Alcatraz.
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NOW...THE FIRST part of the article talks about the take over of the Island of Hawaii....who do you think was the 1st and only president of Hawaii while he held the Queen in captivity....PRESIDENT DOLE....my 3rd cousin....also part of the DOLE PINEAPPLE CORPORATION......they came as missionaries to the islands in the late 1800's ......that is my family....we are also related to the Bushes and Clinton...and on andon andon.....DON'T BELIEVE ME...GOGGLE 1ST PRES OF HAWAII. SEE WHAT YOU GET.
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AFTER my cousin took his office by military might....he then gave Hawaii to the American Corporation called the u.s.a. after a bout a year....with out the consent of the native people of the islands.....many hate the Doles and right fully so.....over there...he has schools and streets over there.....any one from Hawaii can verify what I am telling all here.....spent several years tracing our family....and yes(former) Senator Bob Dole is also the Family..
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SORRY... meant to say schools and streets named after hime.
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As always, DrPostman NEVER addressing the facts and instead going after this imaginary friend of his he calls booth.

Isn't it interesting that DrPostman does this? Are we talking about some kind of mental instability here?

Were DrPostman and this booth imaginary lovers at one time?

Is DrPostman a stalker type?

I don't know the answers, it's just that his responses to anything the Russian writes are getting beyond weird.
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Is Hawaii going to be OK with those rising sea levels from global heating?
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friend of mine is the leading expert on
Noni in the Pacific <<<

He should check his stock, I think scorch has been smokin it.
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!!!!!!!!!


We're "kissing cousins" !!!!!! I'm also a DOLE desendant! Got the family heirlooms and marriage licenses to prove it - plus, one of my cousins did an extensive geneolgy several years ago.

if what you say is true - I'd be very interested in speaking with you - register and PM me!

Edit: Unless you're over 100 years old, I find it hard to concive that you're a 3rd cousin. ;)
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Oh, and Dr. Postman is not as informed as he thinks. The majority of the Hawaiians on Kaua'i WANT sovereignty. Now, I will admit there IS a schism about it all however, most wanting sovereignty are against this bill because it doesn't go far enough - they want the USA out of Hawaii.

Check my first link above.
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You think David Booth wears a wig and a dress when trying to get his creative juices flowing as Sorcha Faal?

That's his penname now, right?
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Are true freedom illusioned freedom the same!? ya gotta answer to some one so its the same pony just a different pasture.
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So is this the end result?

The New England Republic - (Capital: Boston) Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusettes, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Eastern New York, Northeast Pennsylvania, Northern New Jersey.

The Mid-Atlantic Coalition - (Capital: Baltimore) Southeast Pennsylvania, Southern New Jersey, Delaware, Eastern West Virginia Panhandle, Maryland, Eastern Virginia, Eastern Carolinas, Eastern Georgia.

The Great Lakes Union - (Capital: Chicago) Western New York, Western Pennsylvania, Northern West Virginia Panhandle, Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin.

The New Confederacy - (Capital: Atlanta) Western Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, Arkansas, Western Carolinas, North Georgia, North Alabama, North Mississippi, North Louisiana.(very clever, they are landlocked)

The Gulf Coast Front - (Capital: Tallahasse) Florida, South Georgia, South Alabama, South Mississippi, South Louisiana.

The Republic of Texas - (Capital: Austin) (reclaiming its original borders into Eastern New Mexico, Western Oklahoma, and Southeast Colorado.

The Great Plains Alliance - (Capital: Lincoln) Minnesota, Iowa, Missouri, Oklahoma (minus the panhandle), Kansas, Nebraska, The Dakotas, Eastern Montana, Eastern Wyoming

The Rocky Mountain Republic - (Capital: Denver) Central Montana, Western Wyoming, the remainder of Colorado, Eastern Utah, Northern New Mexico,

Deseret - (Capital: Salt Lake City)Western Utah, Eastern Nevada, Northern Arizona, Southern Idaho.

Cascadia - (Capital: Portland)Idaho Panhandle, Western Montana, Washington, Oregon, Northern California.

These are your 10 Districts of the New America. They will be divided into 2 Regions, East and West, with Atlanta and Denver serving as capitals, respectively. However, it will be decades until the two Regional capitals enjoy the fruits of power.

Central and Southern California, Western Nevada, Southern Arizona,and Southern New Mexico will return to Mexico.

West Virginia (Capital:Moved from Charleston to either White Sulphur Springs or Elkins) will become an untouchable soverign safe haven in the western hemisphere, much like Switzerland. It's new name will be Appalachia. (FYI, a decent Swiss population is already there.)

Alaska and Hawaii will be left for grabs.(Someone will mistakenly believe isn't much oil left in Alaska) North Korea will attempt to invade Alaska but will be thwarted by Russia. North Korea will manage to nuke Fairbanks before they are completly destroyed. Alaska will be ruled from Moscow and engage in an oil-for-food program with the rest of the world. Russia will discover a new vein of gold in Denali National Park and a very large reserve of oil adjacent to ANWAR. Alaska will eventually become a member of OPEC. Hawaii will be ruled from Tokyo but returning limited power to the Hawaiian Monarchy. Japan will also annex the Phillipines and other former US territories in the Pacific.

With the Queen of England's blessing, a number of Canadian Provinces will be absorbed by their New America neighbors.

Many skirmishes will ensue, mostly over borders and tariffs.

Texas and Mexico will go to war in the South and, at the same time, fight a war with the Rocky Mountain Republic and Middle Plains Alliance in the north (mainly over borders with limited casualties). Texas will emerge victorious in the South and occupy the Mexican states of Chihuahua, Coahuila, Nuevo Leon, and Tamaulipas. These former Mexican states will become a buffer zone between Texas and Mexico for immigration. Razor wire, walls, and fences will be seen along the Rio Grande to intercept would-be immigrants. Mexico will continue to retaliate against Texas until Texas, with help from the New Confederacy, destroys Mexico City. A new leadership will arise in Mexico as a result and sign a permanent peace treaty with all districts of New America. The new Mexican capital will be in Los Angeles.

The New Confederacy will occupy and rule the Gulf Coast Front due to being landlocked and forge an agreement with Texas for oil and cattle in exhange for personnel and equipment, thereby loosely restoring the Old Confederacy. The Gulf Coast Front will have limited self-rule and maintain its borders but most of the major decisions will come out of Atlanta. The GCF will become similar to Monte Carlo or the French Riviera but on a massive scale. Mostly, the rich and elite from around the world will occupy this area. They, in conjunction with the New Confederacy and Texas Republic, will also have the strongest and most organized army. A mass exodus of non-whites will take place to other districts however a large number will be left behind for conscription and servitude. Many will be relocated to the former Mexican states held by Texas. Most re-education centers for the East and West Regions will eventually be located here.

New England Republic will be in the throws of civil war for decades. New York City, Long Island, and the Connecticut coast will be largely uninhabitable due to a strain of virus released from Plum Island. Eventually, NER will calm down and acquire the Canadian Provinces of Nova Scotia, PEI, and Newfoundland. Quebec will finally get independence and a wall will be built around its southwestern border. Montreal will be ruled out of Paris. The NER will be predominately ruled by the crown of England.

The Mid-Atlantic Coalition will be a complete fascist police state. A model for what is to come to the rest of the districts. Washington DC will be closed to the general public and become an amusement park for the occult. A thirty mile perimeter will be established around its existing limits and no aircraft will be allowed to fly within 100 miles. The leader for the eventual New World Order will live here.

The Great Lakes Union will be ruled in a large part by organized crime. The GLU will annex Southern Ontario, thereby securing the Great Lakes in its entirety. Gangland warfare breaks out between Chicago and Montreal until an agreement is reached over the use of the St. Lawerence Seaway. The southern part of the GLU will eventually become the headquarters for all corporations when the wars stop.

Deseret will fall under theocratic rule. It will be the relocation center for religious fundamentalists. Civil war will break out in Deseret between the various denominations of Christianity until a new Christ-like person emerges. He (or she) will be killed by radical christians who don't agree with his message or that he's the second Messiah. The brutal and gruesome death of this person brings peace to the area but Christianity is still fragmented and bitter. A new religion will take hold based on this Christ-like person's messages and will dominate the underground religious movement throughout the world for the next 400 years.

Cascadia will not suffer the wars the rest of former America has to endure. It will annex British Columbia, Yukon Territories, and Alberta. Breif actions will occur between the Rocky Mountain Republic and Cascadia over the shale oil in Alberta but Cascadia will prevail due to the RMR resources being strained from its war with Texas. Cascadia will be the sole technologial evelopment center for New America. Nearly half to two-thirds of its population will be Asian or Asian descent.

While everyone is busy fighting regional wars, a major earthquake will bring the waters of the Pacific rushing into the San Joaquin Valley in California. The few survivors attest to several nuclear typre devices going off simultaneously in the area of Oakland, San Jose, and San Francisco.

Prior to the establishment of New America, Castro will die in office and Cuba will be invaded by the US. The former nation of Cuba will serve as a penal colony for dissidents and resisters to the New America. It will eventually house 'criminals' from the entire western hemisphere.

The war on terror will continue but not like its going today. A lot of talk about small skirmishes but nothing will be done on a grand scale. Most resources in New America will go to fight the District Wars.

Corporate wars will begin as well now that Congress has been abolished and the old anti-trust laws are no longer in effect. Basically, Wal-Mart, Microsoft, Halliburton, Exxon, and a handful of other companies will eventually own everything.

In about 50 to 75 years, people will be tired of the wars and all of the New World Order plans will take effect. A Global Identification and Network system will be in place (It is already built). The transportation system will be strictly maglev and supersonic air travel to the major cities of the world. The common person will never leave their district (unless they are found to be a dissident) All judicial proceedings will be held at The Hague, via video teleconference, without the accused being physically present. Trivial lawsuits and grievances will cease to exist due to the structure of the New World Constitution. The New World Army will control all law enforcement and handle all executions. Everyone will wear a uniform or conforming colors based on social standing and class. Even grooming and hygiene will be standardized. There will be no homeless or hungry people. Drug addicts and alcoholics will be sent to a special facility so that they may use their substance of choice until their death. (Once admitted, they will never leave) Very few rural towns or communites exist. 98% of New America live in the cities. Farming is administered by the NWO and farm workers are drafted into service much like the military. A national religion will be sanctioned and the only religion allowed in the NWO. The Bible, Qu'ran, and Torah will be considered seditious and outlawed. The state religion will be a mix of all current religions and the occult. Many other social changes will take place that is vastly different from what we have today. By this time, the largest cities in New America are Houston, Chicago, Atlanta, St. Louis, Baltimore, Denver, and Seattle. A new city is created along the Gulf Coast after all municipalities are dissolved between Baton Rouge, Louisiana and Panama City, Florida. This new 400 mile long city will be called Bienville. New Orleans will not be rebuilt and only the French Quarter and Garden District remain. It is only accessible by boat and reserved for the super-ultra rich.

As we have been warned, war is perpetual. The Long War is here and there are only so many enemies to fight. Besides, more money is made when we fight ourselves.

Funny how some things change places and how some things never change.

Beyond this, I can't see anything else.


Yes, I wrote this synopsis. No, I didn't cut and paste.



I wonder if Sorcha can top that!
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Getting to be more like John Titor's timeline every day, isn't it?
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Cool! I won't have to move out of the country after all! I'll be a Mexican.
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Early cartography of the Southwest.
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David Booth and the Coptic sister act, aka the Nunettes, who don't get nun, have been smoking old papyrus reeds, wrapped in holey dirty socks again ! They need to kick the habits, and seek psychiatric evaluation ! :zkk_exanis:
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Kuhka nuka w0o-w0o.. can we make them to take Floriduh too.? blobr
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Thanks AC100371! You sound just like Criswell.

I think this is probably the best destiny for the USA and look forward to the day when:

"Washington DC will be closed to the general public and become an amusement park for the occult"

Does that mean I can visit DC if I'm dressed up as Alastair Crowley??
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Pissmire is planning to tour Hawaii, in demi-god Maui drag, hoping they will acclaim him as their lord. If that fails, maybe he can just flick his bic, hoping they will acclaim him as Pele, the fire goddess, and build a he'iau to worship him in !
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David Booth still exists Pissmire, I'm not so sure that you do though. You are most likely a hireling psy-op geek of the govt. hiding behind that pusilanimous pussycat !
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Not the Ol' Gov't paid psy-op spooker dis-information dealer, is it? That's when they can see the wall approaching Pman.
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I don't give you anything Pissmire, except detached, objective rebuking. You have no power, only a big, lying, decieving sewage spewing yap !

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