Interesting article about Near death experiences, real or not?

real for sure

I really don't know, it could be wishful thinking and we purely worm food.

I don't see how it can be denied any more. They are real.

SOON AS YOU EXPERIENCE IT DEATH WONT SCARE YOU NO MORE.

NDEs are real. Some day science and/or medicine will discover that consciousness and brain are two separate entities. The brain is organic; it dies. Consciousness is energy; it can never die, it just changes form.

When doctors and scientists begin having NDEs they will become acceptable. Once you've had one, there's no doubt that it was a real experience.

There's so much about life and death that we don't know that we can't be so arrogant to poo-poo anything.

Or you know.. brain cells firing off at a rapid rate while the body is in distress causing a series of remembered/imagined images of people and places culminating in a totally realistic dream that one remembers with great detail.


But, that would make more sense than flying off to heaven.

So.. must be aliens.

IDIOT..CRAWL BACK TO YOUR CAVE

keyword is NEAR

Nah, I have to deliver you welfare checks later today.

there is certainly plenty of strong evidence.

Good article!

With all the evidence, i'm amazed there are people who still doubt it.

It's because in the end, we believe what we want to believe, and we ignore evidence that contradicts our belief system. I'm certainly guilty of doing it on large and small scales.

True objectivity is not easy, and for most of us, may be nearly impossible.
I find this truly sobering.

When it comes to NDEs, my observation is that those that have experienced them are unshakeable in their belief that the experience was absolutely real. There is no argument or evidence that will convince them otherwise.

If NDE's are a 'quirk in the brain', there are several things to be considered.

1) Why do we see and feel what we do? Why don't we 'wake up' and believe ourselves to be a toaster? Or a sock? I mean, if we take the opinion that the brain is capable of 'doing anything' but for our 'oh-so-tenuous' society-mediated grips on reality, we are clearly mistaken; for there is a clear limit to what the brain can 'show us', and what it cannot.

2) Those limits imply that consciousness, is potentially unlimited.... if we can imagine our brains 'showing us' more than they actually do, then consciousness exceeds the brain in terms of potential.

3) Thus we are left wondering why our bodies seem to be intricately designed to support consciousness, and yet we possess only a limited capacity to generate it ourselves (more consciousness = more emotion, feeling, intuition, etc.). Clearly the human brain does not generate our consciousness.... so it must be something that is essentially captured by our bodies, to be released when the body degrades....

This may sound like a different subject but I watched a documentary this afternoon about the Hallucinogenic drug DMT and it was amazing how similar the study group's experiences with DMT were to Near Death reports.
The interesting thing was they said DMT occurs naturally in every single living organism and it was concluded that DMT is the link with our spiritual side - our soul, conscious - the glue that bonds us to our origins.
The scientist who conducted the study said that if everyone could experience DMT once they would never be afraid of death

Perhaps people these days too quickly default to fallacious logic like 'Arguments from Personal Incredulity'.

It is well possible to argue against the phenomenon of NDE's, but I've heard no-one outside of a neurochemist or biological psychiatrist even put out the beginnings of a good argument.

Last Edited by pi on 01/25/2014 06:37 PM

Very interesting!! Can you elaborate on your experience please

People who have experienced it certainly believe they have had some contact with the afterlife and as someone said above they seem unshakable in their beliefs. I like the article, being a nurse who didnt particularly believe she undertook the task of researching for a phd and now is a firm believer. I certainly hope there is something else. I do firmly believe life is just too complicated for us to understand, as is death.

What the naysayers don't address is the fact that these people tell the stories of what they saw to their doctors, and in many, many cases the dead person is 100% accurate on what happened. Such as the story in this article where the person was on the hospital ceiling and they recounted everything perfectly that the doctor had cone and said.

that cannot be explained by synapses firing in the brain and causing a delusion, or any other scientific explanation.

I drowned in a lake when I was around 5. I remember going under and being so scared that I took a huge lungful of water. The next thing I know I was watching myself at the the bottom of the lake, not struggling but just floating. I was being pulled away from the scene by something. The last thing I saw was my dad as he swam underwater to me and grabbed my body. There was a split second where I was gone, and then my dad was looking down at me and I was spitting out water.

True story.

What the naysayers don't address is the fact that these people tell the stories of what they saw to their doctors, and in many, many cases the dead person is 100% accurate on what happened. Such as the story in this article where the person was on the hospital ceiling and they recounted everything perfectly that the doctor had cone and said.

that cannot be explained by synapses firing in the brain and causing a delusion, or any other scientific explanation.

I drowned in a lake when I was around 5. I remember going under and being so scared that I took a huge lungful of water. The next thing I know I was watching myself at the the bottom of the lake, not struggling but just floating. I was being pulled away from the scene by something. The last thing I saw was my dad as he swam underwater to me and grabbed my body. There was a split second where I was gone, and then my dad was looking down at me and I was spitting out water.

True story.

because it's beautiful, absolutely....unless you go to the dark side, then it's ghastly

seen both

Yes you're right a very peaceful place. I think those in the know wont admit to it coz mass suicide will happen globally.

Those who are deniers I ask you this.. Have you had a dream when you go to bed at night, how do you know your awake from it? while those who are here in the physical world are mourning your death.

Sure science could explain it.

Beware of the attempts of the human ego to use anything in reach to strike down its opponents.... Science ought to be Spirituality's next big leap. If someone uses science as evidence against aspects of Spirituality, they are incorrect almost every time.

A favoured word is 'delusion': they seem to think it grants them freedom from further explanation, as I highlighted a few posts above.

Don't glamorize Death
It's horrible

Think of it being a flat line
and all those stories you hear about the grandeur are just highpoints on a wave that has been edited to take out the middle and the lows from which the highs touch off from.
the higher and more fantastic it gets, you can be sure the lower the bottom of the scale drops

And beware that when you get someone experiencing such things, that likely, most of it is abstract emotions taken from the actual physical life they have, being reconciled.

visions of Hell, visions of Heavenly paradise
little or ever do they speak of the crappy doldrums of melancholy mediocrity in between, because that doesn't sell

and it's all just a spiritual realm in between life and death where there is no passing beyond unless the body dies and the person can never return nor would want to
so your not getting testimony of anything beyond the spiritual reckoning of their soul

this

When I died and was brought back. I knew what I had seen and it wasn't heaven nor was it hell. I also remember that we had work to do. We fed the foxes, and living next to them were chickens. The strange thing is that I never had chickens until the following year after my experience go figure. It was what fern referred to as the waiting place.

I have heard a few people say they knew it was a waiting place, waiting for what I wonder?