Retired U.S. Army General To Tea Party Group: "I Would Lead A Coup Against The U.S. Government"

because it's a trap

the protest is an intel gathering
operation on subversive activity
and the General is a Rothschild
puppet leading the way

I'd advise against joining the American Spring movement. It's controlled opposition at its finest, anyone who goes to DC is going to die.

Just like the generals of the civil war who were obsessed with capturing each others capitals, this venture will prove entirely unproductive. Anyone familiar with military strategy realizes that marching on DC is a giant waste of time.

Even if someone American Spring captures DC, and they'll have to fight for it, the war will not end! They'll have all the over zealous patriots right where they want them, all in one city ready to be annihilated.

These psychopaths will deploy a nuke before they give up control, and if they get a couple million patriots in the process than who will be left to fight after that? Most of the country will cower in fear, everyone who would fight them will be dead, and they'll have martial law and full control. It sounds like a win win for the government, and a losing proposition for real patriots.

What exactly is there to gain by marching on DC? All the people in control will just relocate and continue the fight from elsewhere. Half of the country (libtards) will back the government and many will fight on the side of the socialists. DC itself is meaningless and has very little strategic value.

Problems with the plan:
1. No logistics or supplies for a campaign, and this IS a military campaign mind you.

2. No long term planning

3. Having all your eggs in one basket so to speak

4. Lack of any real military organization or command systems.

5.Psychological operation is poorly planned, you won't win over main stream America by attempting an armed military coup.

I could go on and on about this plan, but it's doomed to fail one way or another. Now I'm a patriot myself and on the side of freedom. Here is my plan and what you should really be doing.

1. Organize on the local level secretly.

2. Wait for the government to make the first move. They're the ones who have a schedule to keep, let public opinion turn against them when they move too hastily. We have nothing to gain by striking first and everything to lose.

3. Carefully plan operations for your AO. You know the local terrain, people, and environment better than any outside force. Use this to your advantage.

4. Plan to fight an asymmetric battle for the next decade. This will be a war of pin pricks, a battle of attrition. If we try to fight them on their terms we will lose! Train in sniping and ambush tactics. Do as much damage as you can with the least risk to yourself and your personal as possible.

5. God speed on this venture, even with this sort of planning we are not assured victory at all. Many will fight to maintain the status quo, not realizing that the second the first shot is fired the status quo was already irreversibly changed forever.

Someones uncle mentioned that most sheriffs departments across the country are pro 2nd amendment , pro gun and actively involved in participating with and training private malitias , oh yea , nationwide.What about that basket of eggs?

Fuck them and their lists, I use my real pic in my Avatar...and I'm flipping someone off for a reason!

Vallely was Acquino's CO for years. They worked closely together in PSYOPS HQ for years.

I would call that a somewhat deep and perosnal connection. It's not like they spoke once over a cup of coffee at a convention, or (like Christie and Wildstein) attended the same high school and played on the same baseball team.

Your rebuttal is tenuous as best.

Furthermore, the tenants of Randian philosophy now so deeply espoused by the far right and so-called (and ironically named) "Christian Conservative" movement is integrally aligned with the principles of LaVeyan Satanism.

BTW, I happen to think we have witnessed the transformation of our political system into a proto-facist state, but this transformation - marked by the wholesale convergence of corporate and government interests - goes back 30-40 years IMO, not 100 years.

But if you're convinced there exists a 100-year old precedent that you think somehow rationalizes a violent overthrow of our system, well, to think that is your Consitutional right.

I agree with everything except the part about them nuking DC just to kill the patriots, It would probably be the best thing that ever happened to the country think about all the useless gov. Contractors lobbyists lawyers libtards it would eliminate. Im just saying this from an objective perspective I don't advocate killing anyone not even libtards, I have good friends who happen to be libtarded.

Ernst Roehm was hung on a meat hook. Imagine that.

Ofucku is after the patriots.

Beware.

you just evidenced that you know absolutely nothing about OAS. The 5 disparaging points you gave were completely concocted in your head. There are hundreds of pages of comments made by their logistics coordinators that can be read on their forum if you were interested, and you would have seen that everything you said has been addressed threadbare by hundreds of military men involved.

In general, they are hiding nothing. In particular, they are keeping the details on need to know between operational coordinators.

You should think and research before you speak, unless you are just a shill, then congratulations on screwing up.

I think the precedent they are thinking of is the formation of the federal reserve which happened 100 years ago, but I am kinda putting words in other peoples mouths.

sounds like a false flag in the making to me.

You're probably right, I figure a nuke would just be the most expedient method they could use. They'd probably call in a couple divisions to surround the patriots who occupied the city and will probably starve them out. The patriots will get desperate, go on the offensive and be perceived as the bad guys. It makes for great television and drama for the public.

Military leadership is more co-opted than the public believes. There will be plenty of deserters from the enlisted ranks, but they'll be the the exception instead of the rule. The military formations will not collapse or fall apart or desert as a whole. Many will stay and follow orders because that's what they do. To my fellow patriots,all I can say is don't rely on others to fight your battles for you. Plan for the worst case scenario, where the military plays ball for the government and hits us hard.

The word Constitution (as in: restoring the Constitution)is not mentioned even once in the OP's article link.

History nearly always shows that the leader of a revolution turns into ruthless dictator.

Just 5?

So these numbnuts do their thing....and the justification is there for 30,000+ drones and every controversial NSA (and other black ops) program in existence and you had better believe that some of these programs make the spying we already know about seem rather mundane....

I would have a hard time trusting any senior military officer. A lot of them are corrupt and work with businesses to rip off the government to line their own pockets. Most of them retire and get positions on corporate boards because they know how to work the system.

...and stop saying "WE HAVE A CONSTITUTION!!"

Do you see them adhering to it??

Is it the supreme law anymore?

NOPE!!!

Breitbart, Hastings, et al. were not provided due process.... and nobody said a damn word.

WE DON'T EVEN KNOW THE EXTENT OF THE LAWS - THEY HAVE BEEN DEEMED "SECRET"!!

How in the hell can we be asked to follow laws that we don't know exist?

THE CONSTITUTION IS DEAD!! Chipped away at for 238 years until finally Bush threw it in the garbage.... there wasn't much left anyway....

I thought long and hard when I typed up my response. I'm no shill, I have my operational strategy that I believe in and you have yours. I'm on the OAS forums right now and I'm also browsing the PFA forums as well. THERE MIGHT BE A 100 PEOPLE ALL TOGETHER ON BOTH OF THEM. There is nothing posted in the logistics forum, absolutely not even one post. Where are you getting your information? Nothing of any value is located on these forums, it appears to be a giant farce that's been blown out of proportion.

Also it's completely peaceful, directly from their mission statement. From the way the Colonel and people were talking I was assuming there was some kind of kinetic action in the works if peaceful protest and occupation failed. I was completely wrong on that account, unless that's being all kept in some kind of secret forum and a need to know basis. I can't lend my support under circumstances like that, the plan could be total fubar and I'm not betting my life on that.

Here's the forum I saw.

[link to www.operationamericanspring.org]

Since Vallely was a Col. I shouldn't have referred to him as a being a junior officer at the time. He used his lieutenant, Aquino, for his knowledge of Egyptian ritual mind control to write his psyops to mindwars paper in 1980, and that is that.

Vallely went overseas as a commander of the pacific rim in 1982. and then retired in 91, and has been basically a neocon ever since, with nothing to do with Aquino who stayed in San Fran in the 80's coordinating hell on earth and pedophile rings.

La Veyan Satanism and Aquino's "Setian" philosophies hold many average principles that can be found in any organized religion to be true. Then you get the twisted shit, just like anywhere else.

You know them by their fruits.

So, the "Christian conservatives" will have pscychopaths within their ranks pretending to the values, and looking to gain power, just like any group.

But when the SHTF, I would rather be standing next to the average person who considered themselves a conservative christian, than ALMOST any member of any other group.

I agree that the "wholesale" conversion of our government system to a fascist one went more or less along the time line you stated, BUT that just goes to show how many resisted it (perhaps in futility) for so long by trying to keep the ship on course.

These are the people who are discouraged by the take over, and who will be overjoyed to see some real leaders stand up and give them an option.

Now that the coup is complete, it is NO LONGER your government. Be clear on that. They will still utilize all powers, call themselves your govt, persecute any who speak bad against "the govt", but stay true to the essence and know a thing for what it is.

The founders were more than plain about what to do if someone enslaves you under the guise of governing you, don't you think?

you may be "browsing" those forums NOW, but you could not have written what you did if you had thoroughly read the threads having to do with OAS. First of all it would have taken you DAYS. If you had, you NEVER would have written those 5 points as to what OAS coordinators are clueless about.

They have all that covered in spades, and the 5 points you offered aren't far away at all, but you made the mistake of trying to look smart and smearing OAS. And of course the details of the contingencies to be implemented if the peaceable portion of the action fails are kept need to know, but as a big shot you would understand OPSEC right?

And if you had read deeper and perhaps even went so far to CONTACT the colonel or one of his men directly, you wouldn't have to make all of your false assumptions.

If you had read deeper, you would have read how they addressed, in general, the types of HOT scenarios that would likely unfold if they are rejected, how long they might need to occupy until rejected, and specifically mentioned that how OAS would engage at that point would NOT be broadcast over a public forum. As if you would think they would need to say that.

Wow.

Hey, us unpaid members are on their too ;_;.

Joking aside, while i agree something should be done, the people and the military should throw them out, and should have for years now, ever since we started these "false wars" it's been obvious all they want is to kill us.

"Aim small, miss small."
Skill and training in marksmanship + ambush tactics + SERE (Survival, Evasion, Resistance, Escape) = Potentially endless supply of arms, ammunition/supplies, new recruits, public sympathy/morale ect.
The "hardcore" outspoken suburban commandos with the $5,000 assault rifles and "Don't Tread On Me" or "Molon Labe" tattoos/bumper stickers will make for good target practice and will be fondly remembered of as some of the first "martyrs of the cause" when their "loyalist" neighbors start calling the DHS "Vigilant Patriot" hotlines to report "unpatriotic behavior"...
Don't be stupid like the Ret. General that OP mentions.
"It's a trap!"
- Admiral Ackbar
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The Declaration of Independence Preamble makes this very clear. Just ask yourself how they went about overthrowing their own oppressors, and your question will be answered.

The Declaration of Independence: A Transcription
[link to www.archives.gov]

... Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world...

I think that's why they revealed all of the NSA stuff...

That was many people's last chance to accept the new gov't or be labelled it's enemy.

They let you know that they know who you are....

Will you bow? Would you prefer to die?

Those are the only options.

Nice sentiment - here is a repost of my last post.....

...and stop saying "WE HAVE A CONSTITUTION!!"

Do you see them adhering to it??

Is it the supreme law anymore?

NOPE!!!

Breitbart, Hastings, et al. were not provided due process.... and nobody said a damn word.

WE DON'T EVEN KNOW THE EXTENT OF THE LAWS - THEY HAVE BEEN DEEMED "SECRET"!!

How in the hell can we be asked to follow laws that we don't know exist?

THE CONSTITUTION IS DEAD!! Chipped away at for 238 years until finally Bush threw it in the garbage.... there wasn't much left anyway....

My thoughts exactly.

sentiment?

You are the one who seems to be speaking from emotion. Yes, I think I know what you mean when you say the Const. is dead, but do YOU?

It is dead to those who are dead, or corrupt in spirit.

Are YOU dead to it? Is it a dead covenant to YOU?

I didn't think so.

So, those who consider themselves heirs (postheirity) as mentioned in the preamble to the covenant known as the constitution, should just band together and follow the natural course of action that led to the declaration of independence and subsequent liberation.

Just do it, and then act to rebuild according to the principles and constitutional parameters that we have inherited, and reject those who consider it dead.