If you have found what I have found then you will understand what I am talking about.

Was that quote from the book the way of the peaceful warrior?

What's the difference between want and desire?

I don't think Truth eliminates desire. I think knowing the reality of something is empowering as it indicates we have progressed deeper through the onion-like layers of the world, and sometimes we do in fact make it to the center. But as you have discovered- its empty! The compulsive drop to the empty center of the Fallen World is not a harmonious or deeply relevant understanding of reality. A TRUE understanding of TRUTH brings a sense of meaning, totality, and an innermost direction. The elimination of desire is the elimination of totality - the elimination of the oneness of mind, body, and spirit.

If a living entity loses its desire altogether, hasn't it lost also its desire to exist in and of itself? A soul that has chosen to sink into apathy has expressed that its circumstances are not created by a beneficient Creator, lifting itself up to others in self-glorification, but without the ability to tell anyone specifically what path is being and has been walked, or where that path is going.

God waits patiently for Its childrens' return to the peace of thankfulness and charity - even those who are chained down from their fellows in complacency, apathy, and an isolating paradigm that the self is a center of authority regardless of the Power, Providence, and Intervention of the Original Maker, the Sustainer, the Life-Giver, the Agape-Bringer. He waits lovingly and joyfully even for the eager children who go in haste, trapped in automatic self-talk (and I don't just mean the way in which one talks to one's self... I speak of those who bring their knowledge to others rather than their experiences, relying purely on the stock phrases they have compiled to supplement their own coherent ontology, rather than prioritizing comprehensiveness, responsiveness, directness, relatability, and clarity).

Of course, in your Socrates story, which reminds me of none of the Platonic dialogues I have ever read, you suggest what seems to be the opposite of the advice to eliminate want within oneself through what sounds to me from my personal experience like a complacent sensual abidance in the present. This is not the true present however, since the true present is in a continually forth-flowing manner and sensory impressions are the filter through which we perceive the Spirit of Truth, but they are tainted by time, which speaks to us from the past, however recent.

But once the heart has in fact achieved all but total silence, the organism can make the choice to sink into a thoughtless resignation or to turn to God in thanks and praise, singing from the heart in joy to the Creator for the blessing of a heart that is continually renewed to purity in the silence.

Beware the Worship of the Call to the Path.

If you have any questions, please let me know. I will answer those questions and any questions to those subsequent answers, and so forth, for care and clarity.

Important edit for clarity* The following sentence could be interpreted two opposite ways in my previous post:



Desire is fine if it is subjugated in love, joy, and holy rapture to the Holy Will of the Maker of Goodness, Justice, and Mercy. However, the achievement of anything through selfish desire is likely to succeed if one can muster a desire that proportionately matches the obstacles with an indomitable resolve. The thing about this questionable practice, however, is that it appeals to spirits, but does not test them. It's like saying "Okay, spirit world, whichever one of you guys is willing to help me do this, come on!" in your heart. There are legions of evil spirits waiting for the opportunity to get their hooks in you the moment you willfully reject the Peace of the Maker in your heart. They'll answer to any of your desires, especially the strongest ones that have the least regard for others....

Once you've made a covenant with a spirit other than God in your heart, God will allow you to go over to those spirits and dwell with them, but you will have to wait on Mercy before It can deliver you if you ever Hope to return to Peace, and the timeline of God's Redemption isn't based on your desires. I've carried out the practice of crying out in selfishness with my heart before, and it worked, but it led me into the darkest time in my entire life and I will never go back again.

I do not want to be responsible for anyone applying this practice. I am not recommending this practice to anyone. I am however identifying that the practice advocated by the Socrates in this story is tantamount to spiritual negligence and rebellion against the transcendent governance of harmony.

Pics, or it didn't happen...

No Linky, You Stinky...

So what now if i also found what you found and i understand what you're saying? What difference does it make? And what now if every person living knows what we both know? Will it do something? Or are you simply inquiring through this thread who else knows the "thing" so that you sitting in a chair would feel pleased and satisfied that "well good, it's not only me who knew."

Knowing ain't enough. In this world, men can be taught but learning and moving is every single person's responsibility

Also, pray to the Maker to clear your mind and purify your heart, and read some of the words of Jesus. If you have trouble finding words for the Truth, try looking to the Holy One who is the Way, the Truth, AND the LIFE!

Hi All!

Real and TRUE knowing only comes from within.

No exterior God, prophet, guru, or book needed.

If all of your beliefs stem from faith in one of the above- you are paddling upstream. These things may help you to be a nice person...but is this only because of fear of punishment if you are "bad"???

True Awakening and Enlightenment will only come when you can go within yourself and silence your Ego's babbling. Only with a mind silent and clear of thought will you finally be able to realize that......

You Are God.

Along with every other thing in this supposed Reality.

And IF & When IT happens?

It is the most concrete, blatently obvious fact of your existence.

THIS is what "finding God" is.......not singing songs in church with a bunch of other "sheep". Didn't Christ tell you that "Ye are Gods"???? And that you will do miracles beyond his?????

Maybe it's time to start on that.

Namaste-

(Religitard flamesuit on and pressurized)

-Boypony

I need to speak with you...the matter is extremely personal, but I feel as though you might understand. I am a very average looking guy. About three years into my marriage, an extremely beautiful woman came into my life. I felt as though I had wished her into my life. She was married as well, and it was clear she was interested. I was very inexperienced, and felt rather cheated in life because of this. I remember being in my car contemplating what I should do and thinking to myself that I truly deserved the attention of this beautiful woman. I thought to myself, "I want this." A voice came into my head, clear as day, saying "you can have this, but your son will be born with a cleft lip." Without thinking, my response in my own head was I do not care!!!! I want this for myself and I deserve it." Of course, I thought this conversation in my head was extremely odd, and in no way thought I was entering into any kind of binding contract, but I did genuinely feel that way at that moment.

In the weeks that unfolded, I and the object of my lust were thrust into various unlikely situations, including an out of town business trip together. A couple of odd occurances happened, that liking back, feel like angelic-type interventions (some even comical) that worked to keep us apart, if only temporarily. Long story short, the affair happened. My child was born with a cleft. My marriage remained strong through the years. The medical issues have been long, and financially burdensome, but nothing we could not handle. Of course, I am regretful for any pain, discomfort, consequences that my son has had to endure, but I feel this was extremely unfair. I blame myself. I had always wondered about the voice. I thought, "why would God allow this?" For the first time, your words above have indicated to me that that voice may have been something completely different than of God. But why was I allowed to enter this "covenant" without even knowing that my thoughts (and subsequent actions) would be binding? You seem to have some clarity on this. I have not really known anyone to speak of such a thing, please give me your opinion.

You create your own Reality.
That in conjunction with your son's soul agreeing to come into his life with a problem is why it happened. To teach you a lesson. And he obviously cleared some Karma in taking on that mission.

Now-Move on with your life and let the guilt go. Nobody's perfect!

Namaste

On whose authority do you make such claims?

I felt the same way after I read through this whole site

[link to decoder.moy.su]

The truth varies.

Because she wants to poo poo you.
She wants to say "Look at me I am superior to you, I have the truth".

Instead of just offering the truth for free, like I do:
[link to biblebelievers.com]

occultists are all like her, they want to keep you in bondage. If you can't tell this "truth" you wouldn't make a thread bragging about it.

I know the truth. And I completely understand why you wouldn't want to explain it to anyone. Not only will you be putting yourself out in the open to those fighting to keep the truth hidden but many will just mock you and laugh. No one is ready to understand the truth because we all like living the lie.

Anyone would live under a bridge if that bridge was taught to be a castle of greatness. You can all stand still and never move. You would never even know how life went right by you. Success? In this reality there is no such thing as real success. Success to whom? To yourself? or to those using our minds and bodies. Once you learn the truth you realize that nothing you can do or say will help you in this place. While our subconscious suffers, we live in the haze.

But how could we want anything different if we don't know anything else. Why dig the hole if once your in there they just pour the dirt of your body and bury you alive. As if living life this way was any different. Then they tell you "hey you have clarity now, isn't that what you wanted, now well learn to live with it. Stop hating on everyone else. Stop making everyone around miserable just because your unhappy about what you have discovered. Keep the truth to yourself."

Those of you who want the truth but haven't figured it out it is just because you were not meant to figure it out. Live your life and let it go cause once your unplugged there is no coming back. And not even those of us who know the truth know what is on the other side of the rainbow. As for me I'll just have to learn how to live with it and just keep on processing. I mean what is there to do?

And even when someone comes offering the way how would you even know if it is real? How would you know it isn;t just another mindless drone sent to change your ways or take what is yours. Your space. Yeah space cause what else do we really own?

Dear sir,

I have been praying to God for an adequate response to your humble request. You are not to blame for what happened. The Head Devil, also known as The Ruler of This World, is the one ultimately responsible, along with the growing culture of deception, oppression, and misinformation that has bewitched people with presumptuous concepts not based on their own personal experiences or any serious appeal to authority.

Your story is wondrous, and I thank God for the opportunity to share with you my experiences. I dearly hope they shed some light for you.

A realization was dawning on me for several months this past year, and recently came to fruition in the wake of a powerful call to commit my life fully to Him right at the close of the year. This call reached me through my desire to establish a genuine relationship with Him. I had lost faith in everything else, and I have now come to realize that he is the only thing I am even able to have faith in because when He enters your life He enters it with an undeniable personal meaning and significance that it would alienate the purest parts of the heart to deny. It's just a matter of making the choice and choosing to listen to and follow the commands of The Gentle, Patient, Enduring Voice.

So anyway, that realization that I had once I figured out that there's only one voice of the heart worth listening to, it's this:

Acting on the assumption that evil spiritual forces seeking to take advantage of us through our negligence don't exist in principle gives any evil spiritual forces that do exist an "open door," so to speak.

I hope this is all making sense. I am continuing to pray for you and for guidance on how to shed some light for you.

I hope you know God loves you more than you can imagine. His schedule is not ours, but He's in the process of getting us all out of a really tight fix right now, but He's the Only One for the Job.

Remember, your guilt has been absolved by the work done by His Only Son on the Cross! The name of Jesus gives you power to commune with El-Shaddai, the Incorruptible Source of Creation, the Father-Mother of Creation.

We are currently living inside of a paradox, my friend. It is compounded of Love and Fear. Luckily, the Guy who made us is on the Right Side!

Jesus is the approachable form of the Creator. His job was to demonstrate that in spite of the existential fuckmess that is the world, The Guy That Created It is STILL and FOREVER WILL BE CHILL.

Our task in this life is to seriously get to know Him before the veil of material sentience is lifted.

It says in Isaiah that His wrath will pass ultimately because His children will fail before His Very Eyes if He stays angry when they return to Him!

His anger is simply a cleansing forces that drives away the chaff in his Fierce and Jealous Protection of His Children.

We are meant to fully enjoy creation and glorify the Creator of Harmony within it, and many of the very forces of Creation itself have conspired against this purpose with the totality of their beings! It seems ludicrous, and it is. But look around you, the evidence is everywhere!

The idea of Holiness or Pureness comes from the fact that True Goodness and Gentleness and Justice are so rarely seen in conjunction with power in the world. Purity is effected in the vigilant guarding of the heart, which is the purpose of the Shield of Faith, which permits the believer to rest in the Voice of the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, who prays for you in ways that you are unable to understand when you open your heart in pure, humble deference to the Creator.

For the Lord knows the thoughts of a man, that they are but a spirit.

Okay, that last remark was added far too hastily.

Allow me to correct myself:

The verse I derived the authority for that statement from is Psalm 94:11. The word is breath, but it is actually translated from hebel, which means vapor or breath, rather than spirit or breath.

This indicates that the thoughts of man are but a vapor rising off of the spirits that affect them. The importance of attaining "the Mind of Christ" is that the thoughts of man cease to be toward vanity (nothingness), but become about the sanctity of being in and of itself, the representation of charity, and the sharing of the Good News of the Hope of Glory through the Foundation Laid by Christ in the Finished Work of the Crucifixion, Resurrection, and Ascension.

He said He left not for himself, but for us, so that we could get His Holy Spirit and do even greater works than Him.

Haha, one more important clarification: He said "greater works than these," referring to the natural and spiritual wonders performed through him, since no man will surpass the Ultimate Metaphysical Redemption of the Crucifixion, since there's no point. The point now is to bring the Gospel to all and take part in God's eternal plan to deliver everyone into eternal blessing!

I KNOW your secret and I now LOVE my life! I try to share the TRUTH with anyone with ears to hear. Problem is most ears are not able to hear and that is the saddest truth I've ever learned.

Have you ever considered developing critical thinking skills?

just hold on a minute here.... is illuminatis this shit???

The Truth is no secret because the Truth is such a joyful realization it is utterly incompatible with shame and secrecy!

For God so loved the world that He gave is only begotten Son, Yahushua, Our Messiah! Whoever believes on Him with the pure faith of a little child not yet corrupted by the world will receive the blessing of Perfect Love that Conquers All and Casts Out All Fear but the Fear and Trembling of Separation from the Maker's Plan!

Its only hope is to learn the True Magic Way of Compassion, Guidance, and Deliverance.

And check this guy out.

[link to www.youtube.com]

It sounds like you are a sensitive listener, so I think you'll enjoy.

Man, I wish you would read my earlier posts in response to the OP.

The Ruler of this World is fucked up man, that's why it's to put our investments in the right storehouse - the Joy of the Lord! The Holy One of Israel who sent Jesus to establish the redemption. The only bliss in this world is either ignorance. Once you become to wise in this world, you will lose Hope if you don't turn to the Redeemer, the Savior.

Seek Him out, my friend. Cry out to Him with your heart for whatever it is you need to know he's real and listen sincerely for His answer. He's real and He really wants us to listen.

And remember, He doesn't expect you to neurotically apply rules that you figure out on your own. You listen for the His Holy Voice of Peace in your heart and let Him guide you EVERY MOMENT. Then sit back and praise him for the wondrous, joyous journey that unfolds before your eyes as you let God teach you how to be used the way He used Jesus! Jesus did it perfectly, so his name has power for the pure of heart who believe on him to deliver them into the loving presence of the Almighty Father!

And remember, if the spirit of doubt reenters, recognize that it's time to step up and walk by faith. His revelations will make those doubts look like gnats as long as you rely on Him for your spiritual nourishment, which is really our process of learning to be more like Him.

Guess you found me again. I'm not surprised. If what I see is correct you are everywhere and see everything. Doesn't really matter. I am starting to see I am alone in this world. Everyone is part of the system, including me. It's all about choosing to not go on auto pilot. To seek truth in yourself and open your eyes. We are all blinded by the veil.

Why do you feel so scared that you prefer to speak in riddles?

If Elohim's Holy Spirit lives in you, you will not be alone and you WILL have Hope to persevere without fear through every moment in perfect clarity.

You won't be afraid to talk to people directly. You won't be afraid to seek the answer to any question.

A pure heart will be crushed by the world without the All-Powerful intervention of Yahweh's Mighty Grace.

The world must know, and the psychological warfare must be put to an end.

This lukewarm proclaiming of a secret truth never revealed to the reader and invulnerable to questioning is beset by the fruit of complacency and apathy - a sure sign that it's not coming from a Spirit of Empowerment. So if we're so interested in clarity, in awareness, in understanding, how about we cut straight to the source that lives within us and accept that EVERY FUCKING PART of each and every one of our lives has been engineered in the grand scheme meant to sort out the pure of heart from those who choose hate over the ever deepening pursuit of the divine love of the Creator.

developing critical thinking skills? Please explain.

the three ducks are out of line

sort them out please

Because I do not believe there is evil and a creator. I believe they are both the same. And yes it can be considered a God or a way, but there's more. Yes I speak in riddles because my brain is a big riddle and more than anything my purpose is more than just living a happy ending.

I believe we live forever without even knowing it. That we are imprisoned here to carry another way of being. The light is just an illusion to not let us see how we all live in darkness. Even those of us that believe so much in the almighty power. Even those of us that are good in nature. All of us, every single one of us is being used and taken away from our true power. Our souls/minds being the power source to the grid.

I know I will be punished for even saying what i am saying. Tehe creator does not want anyone to be awakened from all this because without us there will be no him. We are all made to believe the creator is the wonderful perfection that will give us happiness but we do not see everything that is taken from us. The freedom that we give up to live inside what we think is living.

I live every night when I fall asleep in dreams. And let me tell you my dreams are vivid. I've flown in many as if I was superman himself. I've lived pirate adventures. Being chased by killers. Seen crazy natural disasters happen before they even happen. I've seen people die months before they really die. What the hell haven't i dreamt would be the question. The point that I am getting at is that if dreaming is not real, just our minds interacting with our subconscious, then what is to say anything we live in here is real.

How is living in here so different. Because we have basic laws like gravity controlling us?

This is recent. Don't think I am so insane and crazy. I was brought to think of this and have only been thinking this delusion for a couple weeks. A lot of random things that blew up in my face and showed me the light. And once i saw the light i was able to interpret how most of my life was meant to see this. I dunno what the hell for. Is not like I see a way out.

So yes the best thing I can do is forget I ever thought of this and go on with my life living like every other person in the world. And it will be great! And I'll love it. Its not like i would take things to an extreme and say my life is over. I understand what I am experiencing could be a delusion. But with everything I seen lately its a delusion that makes such perfect sense. It adds up in every aspect.

Sometimes I wish I was more like you. That I can believe that God is great and that once we die we go in to the heavens. I'd live happy to know that everyone I love is there and I will see them once again. But I know heaven and hell is all here. And yes I'll see the people I love once again but not that I'll know who they were. And once again it will start all over. The search for happiness. The hope to find love. Only to figure out that I will not find it and I'll live miserable just as i have lived in every other life. Some of us are chosen to live happily and some of us don't have a choice but to be miserable. And yes it our own faults. With a little curved direction from 'nature'