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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 19890231 United States 02/04/2014 02:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And a passing thought--I really don't think that the Adam who has been described so far sounds like someone who would yell out curse words and tell little kids to "shut the f*** up" etc. I know such a thing is impossible to tell for sure, but just saying that the guy they've painted so far does not fit the persona of someone who would do that. Maybe be eerily quiet or say something weird, but not just thug-level F-bombs. Just my gut feeling. Obviously we can't know for sure. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 19890231 United States 02/04/2014 02:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The teacher's description of what the shooter yelled sounds more to my mind like some hired thug, a kind of testosterone-laden guy who's used to taking charge, shouting out orders like, "Look at me!", etc. This sounds like a guy who's used to violence, and used to directing that violence. It doesn't sound like an almost-mute, reclusive dude who barely talks. You can fake a lot of things, but you can't transform a basement-dwelling mute into a person who smoothly transforms into a practiced killer. Even less possible, in my opinion, is transforming a person who never takes charge into the kind of person who takes charge. A shy person doesn't just suddenly become capable of entering a room and smoothly ordering a bunch of people around. Again, just a gut reaction to reading the things this shooter said. Doesn't fit. Sounds like a hired gun. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 19890231 United States 02/04/2014 02:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Maybe this Adam person was the one who silently shot at people in Room 10, for example (or more likely was being shot at in Room 10), but I just do not buy that he was the person yelling out commands in room 8. Adam never really did make sense as the killer, and makes even less sense now. |
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Fred User ID: 53301007 Switzerland 02/04/2014 02:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | in room 6 was teacher Laura Esposito and Kerri Sommer with only 1 kid (Procaccini) . [link to i70.servimg.com] here is their evacuation picture with TFC Keane at 10:00:45 |
Fred User ID: 53301007 Switzerland 02/04/2014 02:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | yes... interesting: p3: "XXX remarked to us that the day felt different. She stated that there were a lot of staff absent and therefore everything got thrown off with the subsfitutes. XXX stated that for some reason the kids were late for her class. There were events going on in the school that would have·brought parehts to the school. XXX stated that "if the day went like it should have gone, that hallway would have been filled with a lot of people at the time of the shooting." |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 19890231 United States 02/04/2014 03:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | in room 6 was teacher Laura Esposito and Kerri Sommer with only 1 kid (Procaccini) . Quoting: Fred 53301007 [link to i70.servimg.com] here is their evacuation picture with TFC Keane at 10:00:45 Based on the name length, Fred, I think these two interviews must be with Kerri Sommer. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 44516117 United States 02/04/2014 03:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank you for tackling this. I agree this is of critical importance. There are some other indirect input from the children as well like the bus driver statement. I believe she said that one of the children mentioned the mask As best as I could I summarized what I could find on statements obtained from the children. Referenced by document number (mostly from book 5) the investigating officer’s name and brief content description. Some were essentially all redacted. Document Officer Content 00001629 VanNess Totally redacted 00006847 VanNess shooter busted in-kids ran while reloading 00007407 VanNess Totally redacted 00030129 Jewiss Man in green and beige army clothes-teacher fainted and he shot her anyway, rifle 00177428 Mudry bad guy looked like army guy wearing green fatigues 00180063 DeCeaser tall skinny light skin, light brown beard that was short, green hat, shirt, camo pants, bazooka gun 00198970 Jewiss man all green clothing , green hat and black boots- man age of a dad 00256448 Flynn brown or camo shirt, brown pants, brown hat, bazooka, wearing sun glasses 00258277 VanNess heavy winter brown jacket, green shirt, army green pants, dark hair longer on top, no beard or mustache |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 44516117 United States 02/04/2014 03:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The last statement describing the man in a heavy BROWN JACKET IS VITAL. This is consistent with the officers description of the second detained suspect. Check out Signore and Heibeck's statements The following documents allude to the second shooter but I could not find the officer's statement that apprehended the guy and under what circumstances. Police Statement Documentation References Book 6: 1. Lt. Vanghele document 00002060 2. Detective VanNess document 00001113 3. Sgt Signore document 0040428 4. Officer Heibeck document 00040345 The only additional document that may give us direction is this one : document 0006484 by Trooper Brian Marino - he asserts that he arrived and saw Trooper Mo standing over the suspect. Marino says Sgt Bennett assigned trooper Warkoski and Officer Green to assist with the detainee. If anybody can dig up anything else that would be great. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 19890231 United States 02/04/2014 03:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The last statement describing the man in a heavy BROWN JACKET IS VITAL. This is consistent with the officers description of the second detained suspect. Check out Signore and Heibeck's statements Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44516117 The following documents allude to the second shooter but I could not find the officer's statement that apprehended the guy and under what circumstances. Police Statement Documentation References Book 6: 1. Lt. Vanghele document 00002060 2. Detective VanNess document 00001113 3. Sgt Signore document 0040428 4. Officer Heibeck document 00040345 The only additional document that may give us direction is this one : document 0006484 by Trooper Brian Marino - he asserts that he arrived and saw Trooper Mo standing over the suspect. Marino says Sgt Bennett assigned trooper Warkoski and Officer Green to assist with the detainee. If anybody can dig up anything else that would be great. There is also a report (Cario?) of an officer seeing Chapman standing over the suspect with his rifle to the suspect's head. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 53885725 United States 02/04/2014 08:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All the matters is evidence to a claim of harm done. Until that done, any claim of means, motive, opportunity, and suspect WILL NOT BE HEARD. Quoting: ACG 53173748 I agree, ACG--a "harm done" claim would be vital. A confession or admission from a witness would rock the boat, too; I think the media is going to be more willing to publish Sandy Hook stories in the future. As time passes, they become less squeamish about admitting there are negative aspects to the investigation. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 53885725 United States 02/04/2014 08:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All the matters is evidence to a claim of harm done. Until that done, any claim of means, motive, opportunity, and suspect WILL NOT BE HEARD. Quoting: ACG 53173748 So think, for example, of the blood-covered survivor who has never before been mentioned ( Thread: Sandy Hook: CSP detective's problematic report may indicate shooting in a 3rd classroom If in fact this is an additional, traumatized survivor from a different room--not one of "The Twelve"--then it's possible her family is not getting any compensation. They're certainly not getting any chance of participating along with the other families, because their involvement must remain secret. Over time, it would be easy to become resentful at having to have your child's pain and suffering go unacknowledged. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 44626135 United States 02/04/2014 08:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Incredibly important thread you have going here OP. It won't get pinned unless someone karma pins. But I will 5 stars and for you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6850832 Really appreciate that, AC. For some reason Sandy Hook threads don't get pinned, except very rarely. It is true that Sandy Hook threads never get pinned. Even epic threads. Occasionally a Karma pin happens and they pay off big. |
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Stickywicket User ID: 18768705 Canada 02/04/2014 10:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | in room 6 was teacher Laura Esposito and Kerri Sommer with only 1 kid (Procaccini) . Quoting: Fred 53301007 [link to i70.servimg.com] here is their evacuation picture with TFC Keane at 10:00:45 Based on the name length, Fred, I think these two interviews must be with Kerri Sommer. I wonder what the circumstances were surrounding this picture. Why are these room 6 teachers just helping out one girl? Was she hiding in their room only to be found later? Was she even in their class? Where are the rest of the children from room 6? Why was Roig's class evacuated so much later than theirs? |
Fred User ID: 53301007 Switzerland 02/05/2014 01:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | .... Quoting: Stickywicket I wonder what the circumstances were surrounding this picture. Why are these room 6 teachers just helping out one girl? Was she hiding in their room only to be found later? Was she even in their class? Where are the rest of the children from room 6? Why was Roig's class evacuated so much later than theirs? why only 1: special education teachers (and they waited 4 more) and Roig was later because she didnt wanted to open her door and also because she become hysterical. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 6197652 United States 02/05/2014 09:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | in room 6 was teacher Laura Esposito and Kerri Sommer with only 1 kid (Procaccini) . Quoting: Fred 53301007 [link to i70.servimg.com] here is their evacuation picture with TFC Keane at 10:00:45 Based on the name length, Fred, I think these two interviews must be with Kerri Sommer. I wonder what the circumstances were surrounding this picture. Why are these room 6 teachers just helping out one girl? Was she hiding in their room only to be found later? Was she even in their class? Where are the rest of the children from room 6? Why was Roig's class evacuated so much later than theirs? Sommers and Esposito are Special Ed; not sure if they hold full classes like other rooms, or just focus on a smaller number of children. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 6197652 United States 02/05/2014 09:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | in room 6 was teacher Laura Esposito and Kerri Sommer with only 1 kid (Procaccini) . Quoting: Fred 53301007 [link to i70.servimg.com] here is their evacuation picture with TFC Keane at 10:00:45 Based on the name length, Fred, I think these two interviews must be with Kerri Sommer. I wonder what the circumstances were surrounding this picture. Why are these room 6 teachers just helping out one girl? Was she hiding in their room only to be found later? Was she even in their class? Where are the rest of the children from room 6? Why was Roig's class evacuated so much later than theirs? Sommers and Esposito are Special Ed; not sure if they hold full classes like other rooms, or just focus on a smaller number of children. "The day Adam Lanza shot his way through Sandy Hook Elementary School, Procaccini's 8-year-old daughter was in a reading room just down the hall from the principal's office. She had walked herself to her class early and was sitting there with two teachers when the three of them heard the sound of gunfire coming from outside. "They grabbed my daughter by the arm and threw her into the bathroom," Procaccini says. "There's a little bathroom off the reading room, I think it's a single-person ... and the three of them just sat in there, quiet, 'cause he came into the room." [link to health.wusf.usf.edu] So far, it sounds as if special classes (for those who need extra math help, or extra reading help) started some time after morning announcements and/or morning meeting. Those kids who needed extra help would then walk to either the math room or one of the reading rooms, to meet with teachers for help with those subjects, whereas the majority of the students would stay in the room with the grade room teacher (i.e. Roig, Soto, Rousseau). |
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Stickywicket User ID: 18768705 Canada 02/05/2014 05:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19890231 Based on the name length, Fred, I think these two interviews must be with Kerri Sommer. I wonder what the circumstances were surrounding this picture. Why are these room 6 teachers just helping out one girl? Was she hiding in their room only to be found later? Was she even in their class? Where are the rest of the children from room 6? Why was Roig's class evacuated so much later than theirs? Sommers and Esposito are Special Ed; not sure if they hold full classes like other rooms, or just focus on a smaller number of children. "The day Adam Lanza shot his way through Sandy Hook Elementary School, Procaccini's 8-year-old daughter was in a reading room just down the hall from the principal's office. She had walked herself to her class early and was sitting there with two teachers when the three of them heard the sound of gunfire coming from outside. "They grabbed my daughter by the arm and threw her into the bathroom," Procaccini says. "There's a little bathroom off the reading room, I think it's a single-person ... and the three of them just sat in there, quiet, 'cause he came into the room." [link to health.wusf.usf.edu] So far, it sounds as if special classes (for those who need extra math help, or extra reading help) started some time after morning announcements and/or morning meeting. Those kids who needed extra help would then walk to either the math room or one of the reading rooms, to meet with teachers for help with those subjects, whereas the majority of the students would stay in the room with the grade room teacher (i.e. Roig, Soto, Rousseau). So Declan Procaccini says that the gunman came into the room, huh? I'm assuming this means Room 6? And it sounds like from the article that there were no other students in that room with them. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 53947708 United States 02/05/2014 05:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Stickywicket I wonder what the circumstances were surrounding this picture. Why are these room 6 teachers just helping out one girl? Was she hiding in their room only to be found later? Was she even in their class? Where are the rest of the children from room 6? Why was Roig's class evacuated so much later than theirs? Sommers and Esposito are Special Ed; not sure if they hold full classes like other rooms, or just focus on a smaller number of children. "The day Adam Lanza shot his way through Sandy Hook Elementary School, Procaccini's 8-year-old daughter was in a reading room just down the hall from the principal's office. She had walked herself to her class early and was sitting there with two teachers when the three of them heard the sound of gunfire coming from outside. "They grabbed my daughter by the arm and threw her into the bathroom," Procaccini says. "There's a little bathroom off the reading room, I think it's a single-person ... and the three of them just sat in there, quiet, 'cause he came into the room." [link to health.wusf.usf.edu] So far, it sounds as if special classes (for those who need extra math help, or extra reading help) started some time after morning announcements and/or morning meeting. Those kids who needed extra help would then walk to either the math room or one of the reading rooms, to meet with teachers for help with those subjects, whereas the majority of the students would stay in the room with the grade room teacher (i.e. Roig, Soto, Rousseau). So Declan Procaccini says that the gunman came into the room, huh? I'm assuming this means Room 6? And it sounds like from the article that there were no other students in that room with them. Whoa. Didn't catch that. "In case he came into the room" would have been my guess, from the wording: "...quiet, in case he came into the room" seems to make more sense than "...quiet, 'cause he came into the room." But, "'cause" is what they printed, so, I guess that's what we have to go with. And this may well jive with Sommers' (?) interview, which said that at one point a door banged open against the smart table--the police noted that this must not have been the classroom door she was referring to, since the classroom door opened outward i.e. it must have been the door between classrooms. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 53947708 United States 02/05/2014 05:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6197652 Sommers and Esposito are Special Ed; not sure if they hold full classes like other rooms, or just focus on a smaller number of children. "The day Adam Lanza shot his way through Sandy Hook Elementary School, Procaccini's 8-year-old daughter was in a reading room just down the hall from the principal's office. She had walked herself to her class early and was sitting there with two teachers when the three of them heard the sound of gunfire coming from outside. "They grabbed my daughter by the arm and threw her into the bathroom," Procaccini says. "There's a little bathroom off the reading room, I think it's a single-person ... and the three of them just sat in there, quiet, 'cause he came into the room." [link to health.wusf.usf.edu] So far, it sounds as if special classes (for those who need extra math help, or extra reading help) started some time after morning announcements and/or morning meeting. Those kids who needed extra help would then walk to either the math room or one of the reading rooms, to meet with teachers for help with those subjects, whereas the majority of the students would stay in the room with the grade room teacher (i.e. Roig, Soto, Rousseau). So Declan Procaccini says that the gunman came into the room, huh? I'm assuming this means Room 6? And it sounds like from the article that there were no other students in that room with them. Whoa. Didn't catch that. "In case he came into the room" would have been my guess, from the wording: "...quiet, in case he came into the room" seems to make more sense than "...quiet, 'cause he came into the room." But, "'cause" is what they printed, so, I guess that's what we have to go with. And this may well jive with Sommers' (?) interview, which said that at one point a door banged open against the smart table--the police noted that this must not have been the classroom door she was referring to, since the classroom door opened outward i.e. it must have been the door between classrooms. I'm not positive about the connecting door between rooms 4 and 6, but so far all doors I've seen/heard of opened into a higher number classroom, i.e. the door from Room 10 opened into Room 12; so the door the shooter kicked/pushed open into Room 6 should have been the door between room 6 and Room 4. |
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