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Sandy Hook: Who is the old man dressed in dark seen walking in at 9:32?

 
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CFS 1200704559 / Book 5 / 00005519.pdf

it's the interview of a parent who dropped a letter at sandy hook school. signed in at 9:31 and sign out at 9.32.

"XXX stated that there was an older man, approximately 60-65 years old , dressed in dark clothing, with his hands in his pockets. He was walking in and shuffling."


60-65 yo... it's a bit aged to be a parent? no?
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in
CFS 1200704559 / Book 5 / 00005519.pdf

it's the interview of a parent who dropped a letter at sandy hook school. signed in at 9:31 and sign out at 9.32.

"XXX stated that there was an older man, approximately 60-65 years old , dressed in dark clothing, with his hands in his pockets. He was walking in and shuffling."


60-65 yo... it's a bit aged to be a parent? no?
 Quoting: Fred 53301007


Yes - very weird. See also Thread: Witness: "60 yr old man with flat expression" entered Sandy Hook School minutes before shooting

In one of the reports, a teacher describes an unidentified man standing with his hands in his pockets near the back of the school (inside), as she ran out to see what the noises were.
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in
CFS 1200704559 / Book 5 / 00005519.pdf

it's the interview of a parent who dropped a letter at sandy hook school. signed in at 9:31 and sign out at 9.32.

"XXX stated that there was an older man, approximately 60-65 years old , dressed in dark clothing, with his hands in his pockets. He was walking in and shuffling."


60-65 yo... it's a bit aged to be a parent? no?
 Quoting: Fred 53301007


Yes - very weird. See also Thread: Witness: "60 yr old man with flat expression" entered Sandy Hook School minutes before shooting

In one of the reports, a teacher describes an unidentified man standing with his hands in his pockets near the back of the school (inside), as she ran out to see what the noises were.
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thanks... i missed this thread...
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Re: Sandy Hook: Who is the old man dressed in dark seen walking in at 9:32?
Dang...having a hard time finding it. I believe she said or felt it was a father there to make gingerbread houses, but the part about him having his hands in his pockets jumped out at me.

There is another report from a father who arrived 15 minutes early, and said his child's class was still doing morning reading so he waited outside there door for a while so as not to interrupt them.

"Flat expression man" was said by the witness to arrive around 9:32; but would he be 60-65 years old?
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So...why would this thread get the double-tap (that's what I'm calling the relatively new phenomenon of getting two, instant one-star ratings)?
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Re: Sandy Hook: Who is the old man dressed in dark seen walking in at 9:32?
...

There is another report from a father who arrived 15 minutes early, and said his child's class was still doing morning reading so he waited outside there door for a while so as not to interrupt them.

...
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you talk about :
CFS 1200704559 / Book 5 / 00006236.pdf ?
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So...why would this thread get the double-tap (that's what I'm calling the relatively new phenomenon of getting two, instant one-star ratings)?
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sorry to make it double... i missed the first one.
it died fast and was polluted... so it's good idea to open a new one. ;-)
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So...why would this thread get the double-tap (that's what I'm calling the relatively new phenomenon of getting two, instant one-star ratings)?
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sorry to make it double... i missed the first one.
it died fast and was polluted... so it's good idea to open a new one. ;-)
 Quoting: Fred 53301007


Agree - I will try to find the other "hands in pockets" guy.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Who is the old man dressed in dark seen walking in at 9:32?
Book 5 00039484

In this report witness seen a man standing by one of the classrooms.

He looked at her and said "What" and she told him she thinks there was a shooter in the building.

She also seen Hochsprung comes out of conference room and only Hochsprung. She watched her walk toward the main entry.

So where is Sherlach?

In another report it was stated both Hochsprung and Sherlach went out the door almost as one.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Who is the old man dressed in dark seen walking in at 9:32?
Book 5 00039484

In this report witness seen a man standing by one of the classrooms.

He looked at her and said "What" and she told him she thinks there was a shooter in the building.

She also seen Hochsprung comes out of conference room and only Hochsprung. She watched her walk toward the main entry.

So where is Sherlach?

In another report it was stated both Hochsprung and Sherlach went out the door almost as one.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24846741


if we believe the sign-in sheet
CFS 1200704559 / Book 2 / 00006246.pdf
the witness who sign in - sing out at 9:31-9:32 is Mrs Ryler

but why there is not the other parents?
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if we believe the sign-in sheet
CFS 1200704559 / Book 2 / 00006246.pdf
the witness who sign in - sing out at 9:31-9:32 is Mrs Ryler

but why there is not the other parents?
 Quoting: Fred 53301007


Per your original post, that last entry in the Visitor's sheet is when the parent dropped off the apology note for her child cheating on a test. She took the note to what looks like "Mrs. Rylor", which could be teacher Amy Taylor in Room 5 (2nd grade).
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Re: Sandy Hook: Who is the old man dressed in dark seen walking in at 9:32?
if we believe the sign-in sheet
CFS 1200704559 / Book 2 / 00006246.pdf
the witness who sign in - sing out at 9:31-9:32 is Mrs Ryler

but why there is not the other parents?
 Quoting: Fred 53301007


Per your original post, that last entry in the Visitor's sheet is when the parent dropped off the apology note for her child cheating on a test. She took the note to what looks like "Mrs. Rylor", which could be teacher Amy Taylor in Room 5 (2nd grade).
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yes we could read Taylor too....
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Re: Sandy Hook: Who is the old man dressed in dark seen walking in at 9:32?
if we believe the sign-in sheet
CFS 1200704559 / Book 2 / 00006246.pdf
the witness who sign in - sing out at 9:31-9:32 is Mrs Ryler

but why there is not the other parents?
 Quoting: Fred 53301007


I wonder if the other parents had not yet arrived because the Gingerbread building and bonding thing didn't start until 09:45?
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Re: Sandy Hook: Who is the old man dressed in dark seen walking in at 9:32?
if we believe the sign-in sheet
CFS 1200704559 / Book 2 / 00006246.pdf
the witness who sign in - sing out at 9:31-9:32 is Mrs Ryler

but why there is not the other parents?
 Quoting: Fred 53301007


I wonder if the other parents had not yet arrived because the Gingerbread building and bonding thing didn't start until 09:45?
 Quoting: sqware


one parent was already here for sure. he arrives at 9:30 and was waiting in the east hallway.
so i think only teacher sign this sheet.
so it's maybe Taylor.

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Re: Sandy Hook: Who is the old man dressed in dark seen walking in at 9:32?
in
CFS 1200704559 / Book 5 / 00005519.pdf

it's the interview of a parent who dropped a letter at sandy hook school. signed in at 9:31 and sign out at 9.32.

"XXX stated that there was an older man, approximately 60-65 years old , dressed in dark clothing, with his hands in his pockets. He was walking in and shuffling."


60-65 yo... it's a bit aged to be a parent? no?
 Quoting: Fred 53301007


Dang! That is odd for sure. So many odd things...
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Re: Sandy Hook: Who is the old man dressed in dark seen walking in at 9:32?
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CFS 1200704559 / Book 5 / 00005519.pdf

it's the interview of a parent who dropped a letter at sandy hook school. signed in at 9:31 and sign out at 9.32.

"XXX stated that there was an older man, approximately 60-65 years old , dressed in dark clothing, with his hands in his pockets. He was walking in and shuffling."


60-65 yo... it's a bit aged to be a parent? no?
 Quoting: Fred 53301007


Dang! That is odd for sure. So many odd things...
 Quoting: Ericm 54162244


yep..odd!
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Re: Sandy Hook: Who is the old man dressed in dark seen walking in at 9:32?
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CFS 1200704559 / Book 5 / 00005519.pdf

it's the interview of a parent who dropped a letter at sandy hook school. signed in at 9:31 and sign out at 9.32.

"XXX stated that there was an older man, approximately 60-65 years old , dressed in dark clothing, with his hands in his pockets. He was walking in and shuffling."


60-65 yo... it's a bit aged to be a parent? no?
 Quoting: Fred 53301007


Where the hell do you live, that domed city from Logans Run? Never heard grandparents?
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CFS 1200704559 / Book 5 / 00005519.pdf

it's the interview of a parent who dropped a letter at sandy hook school. signed in at 9:31 and sign out at 9.32.

"XXX stated that there was an older man, approximately 60-65 years old , dressed in dark clothing, with his hands in his pockets. He was walking in and shuffling."


60-65 yo... it's a bit aged to be a parent? no?
 Quoting: Fred 53301007


Where the hell do you live, that domed city from Logans Run? Never heard grandparents?
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and why thisgrand parent was never interviewed?
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CFS 1200704559 / Book 5 / 00005519.pdf

it's the interview of a parent who dropped a letter at sandy hook school. signed in at 9:31 and sign out at 9.32.

"XXX stated that there was an older man, approximately 60-65 years old , dressed in dark clothing, with his hands in his pockets. He was walking in and shuffling."


60-65 yo... it's a bit aged to be a parent? no?
 Quoting: Fred 53301007


Where the hell do you live, that domed city from Logans Run? Never heard grandparents?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 589518


and why thisgrand parent was never interviewed?
 Quoting: Fred 53301007


Who says he wasn't?
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CFS 1200704559 / Book 5 / 00005519.pdf

it's the interview of a parent who dropped a letter at sandy hook school. signed in at 9:31 and sign out at 9.32.

"XXX stated that there was an older man, approximately 60-65 years old , dressed in dark clothing, with his hands in his pockets. He was walking in and shuffling."


60-65 yo... it's a bit aged to be a parent? no?
 Quoting: Fred 53301007


Where the hell do you live, that domed city from Logans Run? Never heard grandparents?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 589518


and why thisgrand parent was never interviewed?
 Quoting: Fred 53301007


Who says he wasn't?
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i dont see any grandparent interview in the final report
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gene rosen checking everything out?
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Re: Sandy Hook: Who is the old man dressed in dark seen walking in at 9:32?
Well, he walked in literally two minutes before shooting began, and his demeanor struck a parent as disturbing. She said it stood out as unusual.
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Well, he walked in literally two minutes before shooting began, and his demeanor struck a parent as disturbing. She said it stood out as unusual.
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Not only that, but he walked toward the *exact* hall where shooting began two minutes later.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Who is the old man dressed in dark seen walking in at 9:32?
A flat expression and shuffling could indicate Parkinson's, as could the shuffling. Theses symptoms could also indicate high dose psych meds.

Mask of parkinsonism? Not that dementia alone would cause a problem.
Parkinsonian dementia has led to murders before.
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Let’s be clear: physically aggressive behavior arises in a sizable minority of dementia patients — a German study of nursing home patients published last year put the proportion at nearly 29 percent – but those most endangered are the people with dementia themselves and their caregivers. It is irrational to fear an assisted living/dementia care complex near a residential neighborhood, as some Minnesotans did a few years back, as though its elderly residents would break out and menace passers-by.
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A flat expression and shuffling could indicate Parkinson's, as could the shuffling. Theses symptoms could also indicate high dose psych meds.

Mask of parkinsonism? Not that dementia alone would cause a problem.
Parkinsonian dementia has led to murders before.
[link to newoldage.blogs.nytimes.com]

Let’s be clear: physically aggressive behavior arises in a sizable minority of dementia patients — a German study of nursing home patients published last year put the proportion at nearly 29 percent – but those most endangered are the people with dementia themselves and their caregivers. It is irrational to fear an assisted living/dementia care complex near a residential neighborhood, as some Minnesotans did a few years back, as though its elderly residents would break out and menace passers-by.
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Good point and very interesting, zenobiaphobia!
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Well, he walked in literally two minutes before shooting began, and his demeanor struck a parent as disturbing. She said it stood out as unusual.
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and he didnt signip the sheet of the school in the office, why?
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Re: Sandy Hook: Who is the old man dressed in dark seen walking in at 9:32?
Then, the "mask like features" could be a real mask

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Then, the "mask like features" could be a real mask

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 Quoting: zenobiaphobia


Would explain the flat expression. Wearing an overcoat and NOT interviewed. Shuffling gait explains movement while carrying a carbine or shotgun under your coat. I think we may have a shooter here.

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Re: Sandy Hook: Who is the old man dressed in dark seen walking in at 9:32?
Well, he walked in literally two minutes before shooting began, and his demeanor struck a parent as disturbing. She said it stood out as unusual.
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and he didnt signip the sheet of the school in the office, why?
 Quoting: Fred 53301007


*signin..the signin sheet
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Those masks are so cool. they totally defeat facial recognition.
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