Why were Life Star helicopters not deployed to Sandy Hook School?

K that was grosser sounding than I meant.

Since both both injured children that were taken to Danbury died there, I would have to assume this parent would be Gilles Rousseau? It seems that Danbury Hospital has it listed that she died there which goes against the official story.

The way I heard it explained is that death certs are issued both at place of death, and place of residence, and Rousseau was a resident of Danbury.

I believe the name redaction could only match Engel, as I recall. I'll get the report number...

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If OE did indeed die at Danbury Hospital, then why would her family want clarification that she was taken there by ambulance?
Or was it a case of them needing to know whether or not it was an ambulance or a police cruiser who did the transport?

So much mis-info in this event. I remember hearing around 11:00am that two men, dressed as nuns, had entered the school and began shooting students. WTF ever happened to that little story?

I happened to be in a local store in my little town, and the radio was on a NJ station. That's where I heard about the two nuns shooting the place up.

My area is quite Catholic, and people in the store were really upset about the fake nun thing.

Then the story just went away.

WHY, werent there any WOUNDED??????????

Here is my take. (I speak from 15 years in the field as an EMT)- 2 years as an instructor and I actually flew with the Maryland State Medivacs (Trooper 2)

I can tell you for a FACT where I ride currently- as soon as the call comes over dispatch-(MVC-trauma)- with multiple victims- high speed etc- we call for the Medivacs right off the bat- The idea is- you get them going- (You can also put them on standby)- If you pull up on scene and really need them- than you know you have them up and on the way- If you do not need them- they can be cancelled. It happens all the time.....This is how it works here in NJ- In Marylard they fly way more traumas due to the fact that they have 10 state police helicopters on standby all the time-

I cannot specifically speak for CT- but common sense is all you need in this case- If I'm on shift that day in Newtown and I hear multiple victims-shot etc- You better believe I call for Medivac and get them on standby- ANything less would be criminal- I don't buy this notion of not calling them for an "active shooter"- that is BS- So you land them 2 miles away- at least they are there- The glaring smoking gun here (If Wolfgang is correct) is that they WERE NEVER CALLED- If that is fact than its a big RED FLAG- Trust me- I've called for a helo en route to a 2 car MVC- ( sometimes we keep them coming- sometimes we wave them off)- Being an EMT means I am responsible and I don't want to explain to anyone later on that someone died because I didn't get them transported fast enough- This has bothered me since this happened- There is NO REASON in my mind why they never even CALLED!

What you just relayed makes the most sense. There was never ANY reason to not ask for the most medical help possible. I am sorry if this offends protocol worshipers but you just cannot explain this away. It goes against everything we know that is right and decent in our society. You save kids at all costs. End of story.

Yes, this makes the most sense to me, too.

Hear, hear!

The only thing I've ever seen hinting that Life Star might have been called is from someone who said they work in Danbury and saw "Life Star helicopters coming and going."

But...same person also said he knew Hochsprung's husband, and saw a maroon van being stopped and questioned (even posted a picture).

As far-fetched as it all sounded, the pic of the van did appear to possibly be in the White St area, and the poster himself has been on the forum sine something like 2004,

Of course anything can be faked these days...though other long-time posters responded to him and seemed to know him.

That was one of the more curious Sandy Hook discoveries for me personally.

At any rate, I'd find it satisfying if Life Star did fly that day in that those claiming Life Star "wouldn't be called in the Sandy Hook situation" (a claim I've always found dubious) would be called out.

And yes--great post @huskyfan68!

The no EMS, Helicopters, Ambulance issue is a hot button.

It definitely gets the Sandy Hook official story defenders in a lather if you suggest they could have done more. Most would admit when there are dying children that it would be safe to say you could never do enough regardless of the outcome.

That's why when dude's like Riversong would come on here and castigate those arguing with official protocol his antics were ridiculous. It's kids for crying out loud. Put the rule book away and try everything you can to save them.

Find the school nurse.....ha anyway..

In the movies we always seem to root for the good guy who breaks the rules to save a life. I guess in Sandy Hook the defenders applaud the response regardless?

Last Edited by Dudeashaneo on 04/15/2014 11:33 AM

The apologists always focus on the "black tags" (as if anyone knew at that early stage who exactly was black tagged) but an equally important point is the staggering number of children who were not accounted for for hours. Ambulances should have been prepared to extract any wounded students and staff hiding wounded in the school.

Pisani's 11:15 a.m. gurney trip proves ambulances could not access the school (this is stated clearly in EMS audio), and Cox's 1:15 p.m. jack-in-the-box from the closet proves the school was not fully cleared of potential wounded.

What ever happened to Riversong, anyway?

Nothing could be so damning vis-a-vis the handful of loud apologists than that they disappeared the minute the report was released. Pure legal hires if you ask me. I bet there is a pool of commentators for any given forum (or group of forums) who are known to be available for hire. I think they have resumes to this effect, and any business or law office or agency who needs to "guide public opinion" on any topic can review their track records and hire them (or bid for them).

I have no doubt the military/govt may have their own guys, too, but as even military actions are being farmed out to contractors, I have no doubt online military/govt actions are being as well.

That's my best guess at the moment anyway.

But...why would a bunch of dude(tte)s yammering away on GLP really matter enough to bigwigs to pay good money to have them shouted down?

Do TPTB really give a damn about what's being said on a forum?

I could see a lawyer like Sedensky (or Gov Malloy) caring enough, I suppose.

At any rate, if in fact people do pay money to hire commentators (and obviously someone does - I just wonder how high it goes), there must be studies somewhere showing that forum comments matter.

"apologists"

Good word.

You bring up a fantastic point about the " unaccounted for " kids. Do we have what their protocol actually was to match everyone up?

Do we have a master list they went off? How did they match up the parents? We see many parents walking down the road with kids just kinda doing their thing....so did they do something to claim their child? How did they know where to go to pick up their child?

I really don't know if this ties in with the anomalies at Sandy Hook, but I wanted to share this with you all. Here's a post regarding some US plane sitting at the runway in Iraq and it looks to be the same company that owns the plane owns lifestar helicopter service....very bizzare!
Thread: American Plane owned through a trust spotted in Iran, US law requires planes obtain clearance to land in Iran and no one knows why its there (Page 3)

Sorry, meant "Iran"

There is a duty to act for ALL first responders and by NOT calling Life Star Helis and by NOT attempting resuscitation by Police, Fire or EMT ...... is all classified as 'gross negligence' causing death.

Any teacher in the building is also obligated to provide first aid according to standard Good Samaritan law, with the nurse Sally Cox also to a greater extent due to her medical training.

This is the smoking gun which proves it was a hoax .... since if it was real every first responder on scene should be on trial for gross negligence causing death or manslaughter.

Staff Reports The Hartford Courant

4:12 p.m. EDT, June 10, 2014

TORRINGTON — Emergency crews are on the scene of a multi-vehicle accident including two school buses on Winsted Road, fire officials said.

LifeStar Helicopter was called to the scene, the fire department said.

The number of injuries was not immediately available.

Check back for details.

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Note that Charlotte-Hungerford Hospital is abt 11 miles from the scene of the accident (Kennedy Dr and Winsted).

Yet LifeStar was called.

Why?

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"LifeStar medical transport helicopter is responding to a crash involving several cars and two school buses in the area of Winsted Road and Kennedy Drive in Torrington.

The road is closed in the immediate area.

Officials from LifeStar said they are transporting one patient.

NBC Connecticut has reached out to the superintendent's office, but there has been no response."

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Roads look clear, and the hospital was 5 mi away--why Life Star?

Better question: Why no Life Star at Sandy Hook?

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Injured student being loaded into helicopter after 2010 Carlsbad shooting:

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And no--they weren't critical patients, nor were they far from a hospital, as the Apologists claim has to be the case in order for helicopters to be justified:

"The suspect parked his car around noon, jumped a fence and opened fire as he walked across campus in the north San Diego suburb, said Carlsbad police Lt. Kelly Cain. The students, ages 6 and 7, were both shot in their right arms. Police initially believed the children were grazed by bullets, but later determined the bullets passed through their arms. The injuries are not life-threatening and the children are expected to make a full recovery, Cain said."