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Sandy Hook: Room 9 too much interview.

 
Fred
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Sandy Hook: Room 9 too much interview.
we know they were 8 in the room.

1. Dawn Hochsprung (principal)
2. Natalie Hammond (Lead teacher/vice principal)
3. Mary Sherlach? (school psychologist)
4. Diane Day (school therapist)
5. Beth Hegarty (mother who called 911)
6. Kris Feda (science/math teacher)
7. Becky Virgalla (reading consultant)
8. Unknown person (staff member?)


but i have 7 interview for the 12/14/12


Book 5 /

00005524.pdf 12/14/12 - XXX working at several schools within the Newtown Public School system.
00006254.pdf 12/14/12 - XXX is an XXX teacher
00006299.pdf 12/14/12 - XXX was identified as a parent of a student... (Hegarty)
00104089.pdf 12/14/12 - identified as XXX for Sandy Hook Elementary School.
00249481.pdf 12/14/12 - ?
00256315.pdf 12/14/12 - Hammond.
00260329.pdf 12/14/12 - she is a XXX Teacher at the Sandy Hook Elementary School


00011964.pdf 12/15/12 - Hammond.
00012200.pdf 12/20/12 - Hammond

00038575.pdf 02/15/13 - re-interview place: Chalk Hill School.
00038650.pdf 02/15/13 - re-interview place: Chalk Hill School.
00039326.pdf 02/19/13 - place: Connecticut State Police. I am the XXX at Sandy Hook School.
00040126.pdf 02/19/13 - re-interview Hammond
00040231.pdf 02/20/13 - re-interview. place: redacted.
00089715.pdf 04/24/13 - re-interview place: Chalk Hill School (first given the 12/14/12)



so why 7 interview of people in room 9 the 14th decembre?
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Re: Sandy Hook: Room 9 too much interview.
Fred, I have a similar list so we can compare notes.

For book 5, 00006299.pdf, I was unable to tell from the language used if that was an initial interview or a follow-up interview. What do you think?
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Re: Sandy Hook: Room 9 too much interview.
Fred, I have a similar list so we can compare notes.

For book 5, 00006299.pdf, I was unable to tell from the language used if that was an initial interview or a follow-up interview. What do you think?
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the interview is done the 14th and that's Hegarty the only parent. so it's easy to identify. the only one who call 911 too.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Room 9 too much interview.
the interview is done the 14th and that's Hegarty the only parent. so it's easy to identify. the only one who call 911 too.
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Hmm... where do you get the interview date? The report starts off by saying "On the morning of Friday, December 14th, 2012, I responded to an active shooter incident at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Sandy Hook CT."

The next paragraph goes on to say "I located and spoke with [x] at her residence." , but it doesn't specify the date or time that interview occurred. Many of the interview reports DO state the interview time, but I couldn't find it for 00006299.pdf.

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Re: Sandy Hook: Room 9 too much interview.
One idea that there were eight people in the room comes from Virgalla's statement:

"The three of them were shot, and they yelled back, "Shooter! Stay put!" Becky Virgalla, a reading consultant who was in that meeting, told Reuters. “And they saved my life and the life of four others who were at that meeting."

By "they" she could have meant Hochsprung & Sherlach only, or Hochsprung, Sherlach and Hammond (doing the saving).

I'm thinking that the idea of how many lives were saved, though, is probably a big one, i.e. she may mean the total number of lives saved was five. If that includes Hammond, then there were only 7 total people in the mtg.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Room 9 too much interview.
the interview is done the 14th and that's Hegarty the only parent. so it's easy to identify. the only one who call 911 too.
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Hmm... where do you get the interview date? The report starts off by saying "On the morning of Friday, December 14th, 2012, I responded to an active shooter incident at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Sandy Hook CT."

The next paragraph goes on to say "I located and spoke with [x] at her residence." , but it doesn't specify the date or time that interview occurred. Many of the interview reports DO state the interview time, but I couldn't find it for 00006299.pdf.
 Quoting: sqware


it's the same for 00006254.pdf.

for me:
"action taken: on the morning of Friday, December 14th, 2012"

is a date.. but maybe i am wrong.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Room 9 too much interview.
One idea that there were eight people in the room comes from Virgalla's statement:

"The three of them were shot, and they yelled back, "Shooter! Stay put!" Becky Virgalla, a reading consultant who was in that meeting, told Reuters. “And they saved my life and the life of four others who were at that meeting."

By "they" she could have meant Hochsprung & Sherlach only, or Hochsprung, Sherlach and Hammond (doing the saving).

I'm thinking that the idea of how many lives were saved, though, is probably a big one, i.e. she may mean the total number of lives saved was five. If that includes Hammond, then there were only 7 total people in the mtg.
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in Book 4 / 00154439.pdf

Hegarty says 2 times they are 6 in the room (including Natalie)

A.
LaPrade: "OK, Do you have anyone with you right now? Do you have any children with you?"
XXX ([Hegarty]: "I have no children. I have 5 adults and one has been shot twice . .it's been crazy"


B.
LaPrade: "0K, all right.. just stay where you are ... you said you have a bunch of adults with you including one that was shot?"
XXX [Hegarty] (unintelligible) "There are six of us"
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Re: Sandy Hook: Room 9 too much interview.
I couldn't determine the gender of the person in book 5, 00039326.pdf. Do you think that is Kris Feda (science/math teacher)?
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Re: Sandy Hook: Room 9 too much interview.
Per my notes, I count either 7 or 8 unique persons in the room, based on the interviews that were identified or deduced as "initial interviews", and depending on whether or not book 5, 00006299.pdf was a follow-up or initial interview. My count includes Dawn and Mary.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Room 9 too much interview.
I couldn't determine the gender of the person in book 5, 00039326.pdf. Do you think that is Kris Feda (science/math teacher)?
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i dont believe.

She says:
"I am the XXX at Sandy Hook School."

the mean she is the only one, no? and there is more that one math teacher, no?
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Re: Sandy Hook: Room 9 too much interview.
I couldn't determine the gender of the person in book 5, 00039326.pdf. Do you think that is Kris Feda (science/math teacher)?
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i dont believe.

She says:
"I am the XXX at Sandy Hook School."

the mean she is the only one, no? and there is more that one math teacher, no?
 Quoting: Fred 53301007


You and several others are ahead of me in the facts. I only base my research on the official reports (I have a specific reason for doing this). Since names such as Diane Day, Beth Hegarty, Kris Feda, and Becky Virgalla don't appear in the reports, I can't confirm that they match any of the redacted names of those in Room 9 :)
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Re: Sandy Hook: Room 9 too much interview.
How did you guys figure out that Beth Hegarty was the parent in the room?
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Re: Sandy Hook: Room 9 too much interview.
How did you guys figure out that Beth Hegarty was the parent in the room?
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Oh wait, just found the answer to my own question. Apparently she's stated it publicly.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Room 9 too much interview.
I couldn't determine the gender of the person in book 5, 00039326.pdf. Do you think that is Kris Feda (science/math teacher)?
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i dont believe.

She says:
"I am the XXX at Sandy Hook School."

the mean she is the only one, no? and there is more that one math teacher, no?
 Quoting: Fred 53301007


Stated differently, the testimony in book 5, 00039326.pdf is told in the first-person, so that person never calls themselves a "he" or "she", and the officer Mudry doesn't identify the person's gender.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Room 9 too much interview.
How did you guys figure out that Beth Hegarty was the parent in the room?
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Actually, because a guy named PlasMan posted it as "Haggerty." We hadn't heard that name before, and eventually found out that way.

But yes, Beth also announced it herself at one point.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Room 9 too much interview.
One idea that there were eight people in the room comes from Virgalla's statement:

"The three of them were shot, and they yelled back, "Shooter! Stay put!" Becky Virgalla, a reading consultant who was in that meeting, told Reuters. “And they saved my life and the life of four others who were at that meeting."

By "they" she could have meant Hochsprung & Sherlach only, or Hochsprung, Sherlach and Hammond (doing the saving).

I'm thinking that the idea of how many lives were saved, though, is probably a big one, i.e. she may mean the total number of lives saved was five. If that includes Hammond, then there were only 7 total people in the mtg.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27641878


in Book 4 / 00154439.pdf

Hegarty says 2 times they are 6 in the room (including Natalie)

A.
LaPrade: "OK, Do you have anyone with you right now? Do you have any children with you?"
XXX ([Hegarty]: "I have no children. I have 5 adults and one has been shot twice . .it's been crazy"


B.
LaPrade: "0K, all right.. just stay where you are ... you said you have a bunch of adults with you including one that was shot?"
XXX [Hegarty] (unintelligible) "There are six of us"
 Quoting: Fred 53301007


Are you sure that's Hegarty? I remember the female dispatcher saying "They're are six of them" and thinking she (the dispatcher) was confused, that Hegarty had included herself when she said "I have five adults."

I think Hegarty said "I have five aults" including herself, and the dispatcher assumed that she meant five adults in addition to herself.

Could be wrong.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Room 9 too much interview.
I'll go listen to that call again.
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I'll go listen to that call again.
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14-36-0 for anyone else wanting to listen.

Hegarty calls at 9:38:43
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Re: Sandy Hook: Room 9 too much interview.
Here's one clue: "I have five adults and one's been shot twice."

Yikes. Those gunshots are very loud and close.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Room 9 too much interview.
Here's one clue: "I have five adults and one's been shot twice."

Yikes. Those gunshots are very loud and close.
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yep you're right Fred - Hegarty says "there's six of us."

At around 5:11 into this call there is the sound of a child I hadn't heard before. But it seems like it's in the room with them. Maybe it's actually Natalie.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Room 9 too much interview.
Okay at 8:06 into call LaPrade says "they have seven adults" (that's the mistake).

So it does look like six, possibly, in the room, eight total in that meeting. Meaning one person still unidentified.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Room 9 too much interview.
Didn't Plasman also say that the parent with whom they were meeting was the same parent who was part the altercation a few days earlier? I find it somewhat unbelievable that this parent would have been Hegarty; she's a vice president of the PTA [link to newtown.sandyhook.schooldesk.net]

Sooo... maybe the 8th person in the room was a different parent who was also involved in the earlier altercation?

I think I've seen this suggested before.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Room 9 too much interview.
Didn't Plasman also say that the parent with whom they were meeting was the same parent who was part the altercation a few days earlier? I find it somewhat unbelievable that this parent would have been Hegarty; she's a vice president of the PTA [link to newtown.sandyhook.schooldesk.net]

Sooo... maybe the 8th person in the room was a different parent who was also involved in the earlier altercation?

I think I've seen this suggested before.
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He waffled on that point.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Room 9 too much interview.
Per my notes, I count either 7 or 8 unique persons in the room, based on the interviews that were identified or deduced as "initial interviews", and depending on whether or not book 5, 00006299.pdf was a follow-up or initial interview. My count includes Dawn and Mary.
 Quoting: sqware


If you set aside 00006299.pdf for a moment, then that still leaves 6 initial interviews on Fred's list and 5 on yours.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Room 9 too much interview.
Per my notes, I count either 7 or 8 unique persons in the room, based on the interviews that were identified or deduced as "initial interviews", and depending on whether or not book 5, 00006299.pdf was a follow-up or initial interview. My count includes Dawn and Mary.
 Quoting: sqware


If you set aside 00006299.pdf for a moment, then that still leaves 6 initial interviews on Fred's list and 5 on yours.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36903391


In other words, it sounds like there's still an additional file on Fred's list that isn't on yours.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Room 9 too much interview.
Fred, I agree with sqware that 00006299.pdf may be a re-interview with Hegarty because the officer interviewed her at her home.

00249481.pdf might be Hegarty's initial interview.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Room 9 too much interview.
Per my notes, I count either 7 or 8 unique persons in the room, based on the interviews that were identified or deduced as "initial interviews", and depending on whether or not book 5, 00006299.pdf was a follow-up or initial interview. My count includes Dawn and Mary.
 Quoting: sqware


If you set aside 00006299.pdf for a moment, then that still leaves 6 initial interviews on Fred's list and 5 on yours.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36903391


In other words, it sounds like there's still an additional file on Fred's list that isn't on yours.
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I just double-checked, and Fred and I have have exactly the same list of files. That is reassuring, considering they were compiled independently of each other! But I am one short from my previous count of 7 or 8. I should have said 8 or 9.

We have:
1. Dawn Hochsprung
2. Mary Sherlach.

Plus the "initial interviews" (ie, unique persons):
3. Natalie Hammond (00256315.pdf)
4. (female) (00005524.pdf)
5. (female) (00006254.pdf)
6. (female) (00104089.pdf)
7. (female) (00260329.pdf)
8. (female) (00249481.pdf)

If 00006299.pdf is an initial interview, then:
9. (female) (00006299.pdf)

But if 00006299.pdf is an follow-up interview, then there's only 8.

And, of course, there's the extra undead "Dawn" referenced by the ungendered person in 00039326.pdf, which is a follow-up interview. So potentially 10 people, but I won't go there :)
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Stated differently, the testimony in book 5, 00039326.pdf is told in the first-person, so that person never calls themselves a "he" or "she", and the officer Mudry doesn't identify the person's gender.
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ok, I'm a little slow but I think I have convinced myself by process of elimination that 00039326.pdf is a female.

Reason? 00039326.pdf is a follow-up interview, and since all the initial interviews are confirmed to be with females, follow-up interviews must also be with females :)
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Stated differently, the testimony in book 5, 00039326.pdf is told in the first-person, so that person never calls themselves a "he" or "she", and the officer Mudry doesn't identify the person's gender.
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ok, I'm a little slow but I think I have convinced myself by process of elimination that 00039326.pdf is a female.

Reason? 00039326.pdf is a follow-up interview, and since all the initial interviews are confirmed to be with females, follow-up interviews must also be with females :)
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It's so hard to keep track of everything. You're doing a great job!
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It's so hard to keep track of everything. You're doing a great job!
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Thanks, and likewise!

Also, this may be one of my last posts. This crazy GLP website keeps banning my ip. And it is a very painstaking process trying to find a new one, and even then it only lasts a short time.

So if I seem to drop off the face of the earth, that's why.

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