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6000 tanks!!
Wow

hiding
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6000 troops :)
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Just kidding!!!

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hf
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In fact IMHO russians "defense army" are nothing more than Blackshirts (go to wikipedia to know more). Putin moves are really similar to Mussolini and Hitler ones.
Russia say that they want fight "fascists" but the real side that acts like fascists now is Russia.

It's just my opinion, don't start to insult me, dialogue it's the best thing.
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Exactly. Russians are the good guys fighting for the principles of nationalism and traditionalism rather than globalism and liberalism.

Hail Russia.
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Russia fights for its own power, all the rest is empty rhetoric.
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Nobody gives a shit what you think is empty rhetoric, jew.
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You spent all your money on nazi porn and forgot to buy your prescription again?
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Yanukovych Says He Remains Ukraine's Leader [link to dlvr.it] #BreakingNews #Ukraine #ViktorYanukovych
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By the way today Dutch biggest newspaper Telegraaf had article.. "Neo Nazis going from Kiev to Crimea." I had feeling after reading the article that they are reading GLP. :)
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RT @BBCMonitoring: Ukraine's media regulator calls on TV platforms to halt rebroadcasts of five state-owned Russian networks by 1700 gmt, @5channel reports
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Where, oh where, is McCain's outrage?
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Statement: Russian foreign ministry says planned US financial aid to Ukraine is illegal, goes beyond American legal framework-@Reuuuters
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Interfax Ukraine, translated with google:

17.21 Events in Ukraine show that the construction of a united, free and peaceful Europe is not yet complete - NATO Secretary General
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No shit! Wow, did he think of this all on his own or did they convene a council to come up with this. Unbelievable.
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#Moldova alarmed over 'contagious' separatism in Ukraine's Crimea
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I'll bet a chunk of Moldova wants to become one with the Odessans.
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@PressSec Carney calls on #Russia to "avail itself to pursue its concerns in #Ukraine in a peaceful" and coordinated way #DailyBriefing
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looks like nothing going to happen to sunday
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Actually Russia is in a very bad position here. They have almost no way to reinforce their Crimea forces unless they gain air-superiority over NATO, an extremely unlikely event.

Without air-superiority, they can't reliably maneuver and re-supply. That's why they're digging in. They know they won't be maneuvering anytime soon.

So without re-supply and without the ability to maneuver against an attacking force they are left with poorly positioned static defenses.

Putin better pray to whatever God he worships that NATO doesn't act.

Fun fact: Soviet / Russian hardware has never fared well against Western tech since the early 1960's. The gap in performance has only gotten wider as time goes on.

Predictions:

There will be a limited conflict over the Ukraine. Probably centering around Kiev.

The SA-400 systems are easily taken out and other air defense systems suppressed within days of a conflict.

Russia's air force, while excellent, lack critical combined arms experience and is small. They lose a majority of theater air-support in a week, maybe two.

Chinese stay the hell out once they see Russia's premier defense systems trashed, knowing they'll fare no better.

Tactical nukes are rolled out and the perhaps 1-2 are used.

Putin is overthrown, Russia withdraws but so does NATO.

Ukraine is left a blasted wreck for generations.
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Interesting scenario.
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Actually Russia is in a very bad position here. They have almost no way to reinforce their Crimea forces unless they gain air-superiority over NATO, an extremely unlikely event.

Without air-superiority, they can't reliably maneuver and re-supply. That's why they're digging in. They know they won't be maneuvering anytime soon.

So without re-supply and without the ability to maneuver against an attacking force they are left with poorly positioned static defenses.

Putin better pray to whatever God he worships that NATO doesn't act.

Fun fact: Soviet / Russian hardware has never fared well against Western tech since the early 1960's. The gap in performance has only gotten wider as time goes on.

Predictions:

There will be a limited conflict over the Ukraine. Probably centering around Kiev.

The SA-400 systems are easily taken out and other air defense systems suppressed within days of a conflict.

Russia's air force, while excellent, lack critical combined arms experience and is small. They lose a majority of theater air-support in a week, maybe two.

Chinese stay the hell out once they see Russia's premier defense systems trashed, knowing they'll fare no better.

Tactical nukes are rolled out and the perhaps 1-2 are used.

Putin is overthrown, Russia withdraws but so does NATO.

Ukraine is left a blasted wreck for generations.
 Quoting: Fingulas


I would start where you end. Putin is overthrown, Russia withdraws but so does NATO. At one moment sooner than later the Russian ruling elite will understand to keep Putin on the top is counterproductive over time, however he might achieved for Russia. Let grant him the title "hero of the Russian federation" twice if needed. Who will be the next Tsar? I think the favor will go towards the moderate military that holds the positions on the ground. Someone like Shoygu. There are others less known, no doubt in that.

Then comes the re-fix of the world relations. Not in favor of the already exposed NWO. Not in favor of one or several superpowers to dictate to the rest. But in favor of a more just society for everybody. The earth has resources for that. The multitudes have the will for that, in a time of consciousness shift. We are not static personages of someone else's theater anymore. Perhaps moving towards referenda-based electronic system of voting for every major question from city administration to national, to worldwide issues. Technically it is not difficult to do.
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Open letter of Ukrainian Jews to Russian Federation President Vladimir Putin

The Russian-speaking citizens of Ukraine are not being humiliated or discriminated against, their civil rights have not been limited. Meanderings about “forced Ukrainization” and “bans on the Russian language” that have been so common in Russian media are on the heads of those who invented them. Your certainty of the growth of anti-Semitism in Ukraine also does not correspond to the actual facts. It seems you have confused Ukraine with Russia, where Jewish organizations have noticed growth in anti-Semitic tendencies last year.

They have tried to scare us (and are continuing their attempts) with “Bandera followers” and “Fascists” attempting to wrest away the helm of Ukrainian society, with imminent Jewish progroms. Yes, we are well aware that the political opposition and the forces of social protests who have secured changes for the better are made up of different groups. They include nationalistic groups, but even the most marginal do not dare show anti-Semitism or other xenophobic behavior. And we certainly know that our very few nationalists are well-controlled by civil society and the new Ukrainian government – which is more than can be said for the Russian neo-Nazis, who are encouraged by your security services.

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Actually Russia is in a very bad position here. They have almost no way to reinforce their Crimea forces unless they gain air-superiority over NATO, an extremely unlikely event.

Without air-superiority, they can't reliably maneuver and re-supply. That's why they're digging in. They know they won't be maneuvering anytime soon.

So without re-supply and without the ability to maneuver against an attacking force they are left with poorly positioned static defenses.

Putin better pray to whatever God he worships that NATO doesn't act.

Fun fact: Soviet / Russian hardware has never fared well against Western tech since the early 1960's. The gap in performance has only gotten wider as time goes on.

Predictions:

There will be a limited conflict over the Ukraine. Probably centering around Kiev.

The SA-400 systems are easily taken out and other air defense systems suppressed within days of a conflict.

Russia's air force, while excellent, lack critical combined arms experience and is small. They lose a majority of theater air-support in a week, maybe two.

Chinese stay the hell out once they see Russia's premier defense systems trashed, knowing they'll fare no better.

Tactical nukes are rolled out and the perhaps 1-2 are used.

Putin is overthrown, Russia withdraws but so does NATO.

Ukraine is left a blasted wreck for generations.
 Quoting: Fingulas


Interesting scenario.
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i think your thesis is lacking, russia didn't build all those nuke shelters for nothing. Once the first one flys, the rest will follow.
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and if they try that, nazi boys 20,000 will sort them out

what would putin do? sit tight and let the nazis show themselves up for what they really are?
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oh STAHHHP with the nazi crap, we know thats not going to happen. . . ever again
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theyre nazi sympathisers. at least 7 member of the govt are 'right sector' members. and theyre there under the auspices of NATO. YOU stahhhp it wink
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I'm also with these posters.

Enough with the Nazi crap.

The "coup" may have used Nazi elements among the people to take power, but it is certainly not a "Nazi" coup.

I mean the new "president" that was installed is a Hebrew.

What type of "Nazis" are going to put their enemy in power?

This is the new face of war, stir up the people, whatever faction is unhappy, and use them as tools to take power, as the Egyptian said earlier.

It is the "Western" power structure behind this, not Nazis.
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Fascists like any other group are opportunistic. Hitler settled for Chancellor position under Hindenburg too.

The fascists in Ukraine got the most important positions - defense/military, security, and prosecutor. If you intend to purge country and use brownshirts ... these are the ideal positions. Yes having the presidency would also be nice but I presume they realized that to make a fascist president would isolate them and that without Western support the coup government would collapse quickly.
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Euromaidan PR‏@EuromaidanPR·31 mins
#Kharkiv Mayor Hennadiy #Kernes has been summoned to the #Ukrainian Prosecutor General's Office for questioning - Interfax |PR News
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Russia has deployed a force of 220000 troops, 1800 tanks and over 400 helicopters close to #Ukraine's border.Its neighbor has about 6000
 Quoting: Threelittlelambs


If these numbers are correct I suspect Putin may have designs on more than just Eastern Ukraine. He is clearly aware of the mismatch between the two countries armed forces. A force of less than half this size would be more than considerable and enough to control eastern Ukraine.

Hmm, they also out number NATO's armored capabilities. This could end up being a prelude to something larger.
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By the way today Dutch biggest newspaper Telegraaf had article.. "Neo Nazis going from Kiev to Crimea." I had feeling after reading the article that they are reading GLP. :)
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I am gonna do it again

Open letter of Ukrainian Jews to Russian Federation President Vladimir Putin

The Russian-speaking citizens of Ukraine are not being humiliated or discriminated against, their civil rights have not been limited. Meanderings about “forced Ukrainization” and “bans on the Russian language” that have been so common in Russian media are on the heads of those who invented them. Your certainty of the growth of anti-Semitism in Ukraine also does not correspond to the actual facts. It seems you have confused Ukraine with Russia, where Jewish organizations have noticed growth in anti-Semitic tendencies last year.

They have tried to scare us (and are continuing their attempts) with “Bandera followers” and “Fascists” attempting to wrest away the helm of Ukrainian society, with imminent Jewish progroms. Yes, we are well aware that the political opposition and the forces of social protests who have secured changes for the better are made up of different groups. They include nationalistic groups, but even the most marginal do not dare show anti-Semitism or other xenophobic behavior. And we certainly know that our very few nationalists are well-controlled by civil society and the new Ukrainian government – which is more than can be said for the Russian neo-Nazis, who are encouraged by your security services.

[link to eajc.org]
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This is a quality post.

Anyone who "dares not show anti-Semitism" is garbage and must be defeated.

The jews are the enemy of Europe now and forever. The jews are responsible for the Islamic and African invasions. The jews run the central banks.

If the Ukrainian "revolution" isn't Fascist and isn't anti-Semitic, then let it be wiped off the face of the earth.
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By the way today Dutch biggest newspaper Telegraaf had article.. "Neo Nazis going from Kiev to Crimea." I had feeling after reading the article that they are reading GLP. :)
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I am gonna do it again

Open letter of Ukrainian Jews to Russian Federation President Vladimir Putin

The Russian-speaking citizens of Ukraine are not being humiliated or discriminated against, their civil rights have not been limited. Meanderings about “forced Ukrainization” and “bans on the Russian language” that have been so common in Russian media are on the heads of those who invented them. Your certainty of the growth of anti-Semitism in Ukraine also does not correspond to the actual facts. It seems you have confused Ukraine with Russia, where Jewish organizations have noticed growth in anti-Semitic tendencies last year.

They have tried to scare us (and are continuing their attempts) with “Bandera followers” and “Fascists” attempting to wrest away the helm of Ukrainian society, with imminent Jewish progroms. Yes, we are well aware that the political opposition and the forces of social protests who have secured changes for the better are made up of different groups. They include nationalistic groups, but even the most marginal do not dare show anti-Semitism or other xenophobic behavior. And we certainly know that our very few nationalists are well-controlled by civil society and the new Ukrainian government – which is more than can be said for the Russian neo-Nazis, who are encouraged by your security services.

[link to eajc.org]
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Wrong place, wrong address,.You have to send this article to this newspaper I have mentioned.
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Post-ABC poll: Obama approval handling Russia/Ukraine All: 42% Democrats: 70% Republicans: 17% Independents: 37%

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Russia has deployed a force of 220000 troops, 1800 tanks and over 400 helicopters close to #Ukraine's border.Its neighbor has about 6000
 Quoting: Threelittlelambs


If these numbers are correct I suspect Putin may have designs on more than just Eastern Ukraine. He is clearly aware of the mismatch between the two countries armed forces. A force of less than half this size would be more than considerable and enough to control eastern Ukraine.

Hmm, they also out number NATO's armored capabilities. This could end up being a prelude to something larger.
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Exactly. Best case scenario - they're just securing the Crimea. Worst case scenario - the whole of the Ukraine. It's obviously impossible to read at this moment, but with the weak leadership in Washington and bureaucratic back-and-forth in the EU, they could be thinking the Ukraine is there for the taking.
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@joriandrake @olgatokariuk it was a very short post on fb by one of automaidan activists: Shura and Katia released.

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Automaidan activist and @ukrpravda_news reporter say kidnapped journos and activists release and sent to #Ukraine. #Crimea

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U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT SAYS RUSSIAN RESPONSES TO U.S. QUESTIONS ON UKRAINE DO NOT CREATE RIGHT ENVIRONMENT FOR DIPLOMACY
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Actually Russia is in a very bad position here. They have almost no way to reinforce their Crimea forces unless they gain air-superiority over NATO, an extremely unlikely event.

Without air-superiority, they can't reliably maneuver and re-supply. That's why they're digging in. They know they won't be maneuvering anytime soon.

So without re-supply and without the ability to maneuver against an attacking force they are left with poorly positioned static defenses.

Putin better pray to whatever God he worships that NATO doesn't act.

Fun fact: Soviet / Russian hardware has never fared well against Western tech since the early 1960's. The gap in performance has only gotten wider as time goes on.

Predictions:

There will be a limited conflict over the Ukraine. Probably centering around Kiev.

The SA-400 systems are easily taken out and other air defense systems suppressed within days of a conflict.

Russia's air force, while excellent, lack critical combined arms experience and is small. They lose a majority of theater air-support in a week, maybe two.

Chinese stay the hell out once they see Russia's premier defense systems trashed, knowing they'll fare no better.

Tactical nukes are rolled out and the perhaps 1-2 are used.

Putin is overthrown, Russia withdraws but so does NATO.

Ukraine is left a blasted wreck for generations.
 Quoting: Fingulas


I would start where you end. Putin is overthrown, Russia withdraws but so does NATO. At one moment sooner than later the Russian ruling elite will understand to keep Putin on the top is counterproductive over time, however he might achieved for Russia. Let grant him the title "hero of the Russian federation" twice if needed. Who will be the next Tsar? I think the favor will go towards the moderate military that holds the positions on the ground. Someone like Shoygu. There are others less known, no doubt in that.

Then comes the re-fix of the world relations. Not in favor of the already exposed NWO. Not in favor of one or several superpowers to dictate to the rest. But in favor of a more just society for everybody. The earth has resources for that. The multitudes have the will for that, in a time of consciousness shift. We are not static personages of someone else's theater anymore. Perhaps moving towards referenda-based electronic system of voting for every major question from city administration to national, to worldwide issues. Technically it is not difficult to do.
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You sound like a broke record - again - start your on flipping thread about how Putin should resign to be a hero and Shoygu should take over. wtf is wrong in this thread with these people repeating the same stories over and over?
At least the Dreadnought or whatever it was called was funny.
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Putin fights for Power.
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I fight for Power.

Is it possible Power equals Right?

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Actually Russia is in a very bad position here. They have almost no way to reinforce their Crimea forces unless they gain air-superiority over NATO, an extremely unlikely event.

Without air-superiority, they can't reliably maneuver and re-supply. That's why they're digging in. They know they won't be maneuvering anytime soon.

So without re-supply and without the ability to maneuver against an attacking force they are left with poorly positioned static defenses.

Putin better pray to whatever God he worships that NATO doesn't act.

Fun fact: Soviet / Russian hardware has never fared well against Western tech since the early 1960's. The gap in performance has only gotten wider as time goes on.

Predictions:

There will be a limited conflict over the Ukraine. Probably centering around Kiev.

The SA-400 systems are easily taken out and other air defense systems suppressed within days of a conflict.

Russia's air force, while excellent, lack critical combined arms experience and is small. They lose a majority of theater air-support in a week, maybe two.

Chinese stay the hell out once they see Russia's premier defense systems trashed, knowing they'll fare no better.

Tactical nukes are rolled out and the perhaps 1-2 are used.

Putin is overthrown, Russia withdraws but so does NATO.

Ukraine is left a blasted wreck for generations.
 Quoting: Fingulas


As much as I recognize the prowess of Russian technology in military terms, generally speaking, I have to agree with you.

Our strategists are no dummies. If open conflict broke out here's how I see it happening. Oh, and I do agree with you.

I see the opening salvo being some NATO forces going up strictly against Crimean targets, but only AFTER they've declared their independence. Once Crimea claims independence they will have broken international law, according to the West and Ukraine (I'm not going to debate semantics over this issue of legality of their independence). Next I see NATO kinda not faring very well against Russia. Dug in Russian forces will most likely prevail. This is where a few things could happen. 1. Stalemate. A war of attrition begins where NATO doesn't send in more assets fearing more loses, and Russia makes no advances further into Europe. 2. Russia seizes the opportunity, seeing the US not all that heavily involved in the military actions (yet) and moves further into Ukraine. This would probably draw in the US.

So, whatever the case here, if / when the US gets involved militarily I agree with what you're saying. You can bet your ass that right now our military knows the location of every air defense system in Crimea, and they're getting positioning updates every time a satellite passes overhead. In the dead of night, if / when the US gets involved, Crimean / Russian air defenses would be completely taken out with cruise missiles. We would most likely not send ground troops and only focus on long range strikes to keep our assets as far out of range as possible. After we've eliminated the air defense capabilities in Crimea, we'd urge a mix of NATO / UN / Ukrainian military ground pounders to move into Crimea.

Here's where it gets scary... Does Russia then flank from the North? Sweeping in through the Balkans / Poland and over the Eastern boarder with Ukraine in a mad dash to Kiev?

Also, if this happens, does North Korea grow a set and go after Seoul?

Just a bit of armchair strategist on my part. I'm probably completely wrong.
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As Crimea Crisis Deepens, U.S. Sends Fighters, Warships To Region [link to www.eurasianet.org] | new post, w/ @drfarls, @Galrahn, @mhikaric i.a.

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While we're all waiting for WWIII to break out..

Here is an excellent review and analysis of Post Soviet US/Russia promises and betrayal starting w/ Clinton.






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