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Anonymous Coward User ID: 56374216 Ukraine 04/03/2014 01:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 07:10 03.04.2014 Interfax-Ukraine Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56374216 Detained several representatives of Special Forces "Berkut", suspected of killing protesters in Kiev February 20 - Mahnitsky Acting Prosecutor General of Ukraine Oleg Mahnitsky announced the arrest of a number of representatives of the Special Forces "Berkut" suspected in the shooting of peaceful demonstrators in the center of Kiev on February 20. "Detained several representatives of Special Forces" Berkut ". This so-called" black mouths "" Berkut ", which was intended for special operations", - said the acting Attorney General told reporters. "At this time, a number of individuals have already been installed, implemented measures to detain them, and also efforts and investigations to establish the others" - said O.Mahnitsky. According to him, it is a "black Rota" Special Forces "Berkut", which was issued weapons, including sniper. In turn, Deputy Prosecutor General Alexei Baganets explained: "Berkut" firearms not received, including Kiev. Just received (firearms - IF) special company. Their task was, so they now explain, but we did not fully believe in, shoot the attacking protesters and allow the main forces "Berkut", who were unarmed, had only non-lethal weapons, retreat to the street Instytutska Bankovoj area. " The article is at [link to interfax.com.ua] . The last paragraph translated poorly so if you speak Ukrainian can you please clarify? Baganets said the normal Berkut in Kiev was unarmed (well, we have seen a lot of video of them with shields and a billy stick), but a special company was armed (probably the guys we saw in front of October Palace). Their task was to provide cover for the unarmed Berkut to escape the Maidan area. Now, question is - did he say these special forces only had non-lethal weapons (like rubber bullets)? I don't know what "had only non-lethal weapons" modifies, if the normal Berkut it seems to say both they were unarmed and that they had only non-lethal weapons .... I do not speak Ukanian. It appears this investigation is only with regard to the actions of Berkut. There has been no mention of the police that were shot and the bullets pulled from them matching those pulled from protesters. I dont think there is a proper investigation. They are framing Berkut for the whole thing. |
Sun_dancer User ID: 48671548 United States 04/03/2014 01:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Here is another Legal/Illegal mashup I ran across: [link to scontent-a-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net (secure)] Sun_dancer |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 37539282 United States 04/03/2014 01:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 07:10 03.04.2014 Interfax-Ukraine Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56374216 Detained several representatives of Special Forces "Berkut", suspected of killing protesters in Kiev February 20 - Mahnitsky Acting Prosecutor General of Ukraine Oleg Mahnitsky announced the arrest of a number of representatives of the Special Forces "Berkut" suspected in the shooting of peaceful demonstrators in the center of Kiev on February 20. "Detained several representatives of Special Forces" Berkut ". This so-called" black mouths "" Berkut ", which was intended for special operations", - said the acting Attorney General told reporters. "At this time, a number of individuals have already been installed, implemented measures to detain them, and also efforts and investigations to establish the others" - said O.Mahnitsky. According to him, it is a "black Rota" Special Forces "Berkut", which was issued weapons, including sniper. In turn, Deputy Prosecutor General Alexei Baganets explained: "Berkut" firearms not received, including Kiev. Just received (firearms - IF) special company. Their task was, so they now explain, but we did not fully believe in, shoot the attacking protesters and allow the main forces "Berkut", who were unarmed, had only non-lethal weapons, retreat to the street Instytutska Bankovoj area. " The article is at [link to interfax.com.ua] . The last paragraph translated poorly so if you speak Ukrainian can you please clarify? Baganets said the normal Berkut in Kiev was unarmed (well, we have seen a lot of video of them with shields and a billy stick), but a special company was armed (probably the guys we saw in front of October Palace). Their task was to provide cover for the unarmed Berkut to escape the Maidan area. Now, question is - did he say these special forces only had non-lethal weapons (like rubber bullets)? I don't know what "had only non-lethal weapons" modifies, if the normal Berkut it seems to say both they were unarmed and that they had only non-lethal weapons .... I do not speak Ukanian. It appears this investigation is only with regard to the actions of Berkut. There has been no mention of the police that were shot and the bullets pulled from them matching those pulled from protesters. I dont think there is a proper investigation. They are framing Berkut for the whole thing. That seems to be the case. Remember the intercepted call between the Baroness and the Estonian FM. |
Sun_dancer User ID: 48671548 United States 04/03/2014 01:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 I do not speak Ukanian. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56374216 It appears this investigation is only with regard to the actions of Berkut. There has been no mention of the police that were shot and the bullets pulled from them matching those pulled from protesters. I dont think there is a proper investigation. They are framing Berkut for the whole thing. You are absolutely right. The head investigator is with Svoboda party, and his associates are prime suspects. Moreover, the killings resulted in him obtaining a lot of power in government, which in Ukraine means, as prosecutor, my goodness, this is good money!!! (but not from government, if you know what I mean). So in any event this guy has a very strong bias. On the other hand Russia has offered to assist in the investigation and has consistently demanded an objective, international investigation, spearheaded by the EU. Now it seems EU is not taking part in this investigation and it is only the Nuland-appointed government headed by biased people/puppets. Germany will know if this is because of pressure from US (by this I mean, Nuland and her neo-con comrades). This is part of the background of my post at Thread: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 (Page 2171) . Sun_dancer |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 37539282 United States 04/03/2014 01:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 I do not speak Ukanian. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56374216 It appears this investigation is only with regard to the actions of Berkut. There has been no mention of the police that were shot and the bullets pulled from them matching those pulled from protesters. I dont think there is a proper investigation. They are framing Berkut for the whole thing. You are absolutely right. The head investigator is with Svoboda party, and his associates are prime suspects. Moreover, the killings resulted in him obtaining a lot of power in government, which in Ukraine means, as prosecutor, my goodness, this is good money!!! (but not from government, if you know what I mean). So in any event this guy has a very strong bias. On the other hand Russia has offered to assist in the investigation and has consistently demanded an objective, international investigation, spearheaded by the EU. Now it seems EU is not taking part in this investigation and it is only the Nuland-appointed government headed by biased people/puppets. Germany will know if this is because of pressure from US (by this I mean, Nuland and her neo-con comrades). This is part of the background of my post at Thread: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 (Page 2171) . The US is holding Germany hostage. They are between a rock and a hard place. Listen again to the leaked phone conversations in regards to what the Baroness says about the investigation. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 5383047 United States 04/03/2014 01:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 07:10 03.04.2014 Interfax-Ukraine Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56374216 Detained several representatives of Special Forces "Berkut", suspected of killing protesters in Kiev February 20 - Mahnitsky Acting Prosecutor General of Ukraine Oleg Mahnitsky announced the arrest of a number of representatives of the Special Forces "Berkut" suspected in the shooting of peaceful demonstrators in the center of Kiev on February 20. "Detained several representatives of Special Forces" Berkut ". This so-called" black mouths "" Berkut ", which was intended for special operations", - said the acting Attorney General told reporters. "At this time, a number of individuals have already been installed, implemented measures to detain them, and also efforts and investigations to establish the others" - said O.Mahnitsky. According to him, it is a "black Rota" Special Forces "Berkut", which was issued weapons, including sniper. In turn, Deputy Prosecutor General Alexei Baganets explained: "Berkut" firearms not received, including Kiev. Just received (firearms - IF) special company. Their task was, so they now explain, but we did not fully believe in, shoot the attacking protesters and allow the main forces "Berkut", who were unarmed, had only non-lethal weapons, retreat to the street Instytutska Bankovoj area. " The article is at [link to interfax.com.ua] . The last paragraph translated poorly so if you speak Ukrainian can you please clarify? Baganets said the normal Berkut in Kiev was unarmed (well, we have seen a lot of video of them with shields and a billy stick), but a special company was armed (probably the guys we saw in front of October Palace). Their task was to provide cover for the unarmed Berkut to escape the Maidan area. Now, question is - did he say these special forces only had non-lethal weapons (like rubber bullets)? I don't know what "had only non-lethal weapons" modifies, if the normal Berkut it seems to say both they were unarmed and that they had only non-lethal weapons .... I do not speak Ukanian. It appears this investigation is only with regard to the actions of Berkut. There has been no mention of the police that were shot and the bullets pulled from them matching those pulled from protesters. I dont think there is a proper investigation. They are framing Berkut for the whole thing. That seems to be the case. Remember the intercepted call between the Baroness and the Estonian FM. X Estonian FM was mistakenly quoting DR Olga Bogomolets, and claimed that she had treated both police and protestors. That is false. She only treated protestors on the 20th. There were no 'police that were wounded with the same bullets that the protestors were.' Also there is no 'framing of the Berkut.' The Berkut shooters ID's are known and have been known for a while now and are verifiable from multiple video and picture and from the statements of many of their police colleagues. Those of you continuing to insist otehrwise in the face of this are into pure dishonesty now. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 5383047 United States 04/03/2014 01:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 The US is holding Germany hostage. They are between a rock and a hard place. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37539282 Listen again to the leaked phone conversations in regards to what the Baroness says about the investigation. It matters not what the Estonian FM said so and so said. What matters is what the person he is referring to(Dr Olga Bogomolets) actually said, which he is incorrect about. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56374216 Ukraine 04/03/2014 01:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Yaroslav Sukhoi, a Party of Regions member of parliament, said: “We're taking on a commitment to vote” for all those things in the list “we need to involve into the investigation of the bloody events of European, foreign special services because the bullets that killed the soldiers and that were pulled out of people's bodies, are the same.” . This statement was made no later than the 21st February |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 37539282 United States 04/03/2014 01:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Quoting: Sun_dancer The article is at [link to interfax.com.ua] . The last paragraph translated poorly so if you speak Ukrainian can you please clarify? Baganets said the normal Berkut in Kiev was unarmed (well, we have seen a lot of video of them with shields and a billy stick), but a special company was armed (probably the guys we saw in front of October Palace). Their task was to provide cover for the unarmed Berkut to escape the Maidan area. Now, question is - did he say these special forces only had non-lethal weapons (like rubber bullets)? I don't know what "had only non-lethal weapons" modifies, if the normal Berkut it seems to say both they were unarmed and that they had only non-lethal weapons .... I do not speak Ukanian. It appears this investigation is only with regard to the actions of Berkut. There has been no mention of the police that were shot and the bullets pulled from them matching those pulled from protesters. I dont think there is a proper investigation. They are framing Berkut for the whole thing. That seems to be the case. Remember the intercepted call between the Baroness and the Estonian FM. X Estonian FM was mistakenly quoting DR Olga Bogomolets, and claimed that she had treated both police and protestors. That is false. She only treated protestors on the 20th. There were no 'police that were wounded with the same bullets that the protestors were.' Also there is no 'framing of the Berkut.' The Berkut shooters ID's are known and have been known for a while now and are verifiable from multiple video and picture and from the statements of many of their police colleagues. Those of you continuing to insist otehrwise in the face of this are into pure dishonesty now. And you have all the intelligence on what went on behind the scenes? Tell me, who was funding and supporting the Svoboda? And they are surely the one's behind the violent overthrow of a Government which had with other leaders from France and Germany signed an Agreement giving in to their demands? Who benefits and follow the money. You state only what is given to you as "evidence" and talking points. There's more than 2 sides to this. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56374216 Ukraine 04/03/2014 01:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Yaroslav Sukhoi, a Party of Regions member of parliament, said: “We're taking on a commitment to vote” for all those things in the list “we need to involve into the investigation of the bloody events of European, foreign special services because the bullets that killed the soldiers and that were pulled out of people's bodies, are the same.” Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56374216 . This statement was made no later than the 21st February Actualy, probably on the 21st, before that February 21 agreement |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 37539282 United States 04/03/2014 01:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 The US is holding Germany hostage. They are between a rock and a hard place. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37539282 Listen again to the leaked phone conversations in regards to what the Baroness says about the investigation. It matters not what the Estonian FM said so and so said. What matters is what the person he is referring to(Dr Olga Bogomolets) actually said, which he is incorrect about. I'm not referring to what the Estonian FM said but to what the Baroness said in response and in regards to the investigation that "should take place"...Oh gosh! I wasn't aware of that! |
Sun_dancer User ID: 48671548 United States 04/03/2014 01:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Estonian FM was mistakenly quoting DR Olga Bogomolets, and claimed that she had treated both police and protestors. That is false. She only treated protestors on the 20th. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5383047 There were no 'police that were wounded with the same bullets that the protestors were.' Also there is no 'framing of the Berkut.' The Berkut shooters ID's are known and have been known for a while now and are verifiable from multiple video and picture and from the statements of many of their police colleagues. Those of you continuing to insist otehrwise in the face of this are into pure dishonesty now. Yes Estonian FM probably misspoke about how he got this information, but he was certain about the conclusion. I sometimes make mistakes like this too - I gather evidence from many sources and come to a conclusion, sometimes later when I tell what happened I make mistakes about who said what. The important thing is the conclusion he reached about who was responsible (and he was there to investigate and spoke with many people). Also he never claimed that the Dr. (who by the way got big promotion in the coup government) treated police; she could have learned the type of weapons used to kill police from someone else. I have also heard other sources claim the police suffered from same bullet types, not just her. As to framing, I again challendge you to show a single picture or video of a police killing a protester. NOT of a police shooting rubber bullets; not of police shooting but we don't know at what; not of protester dieing but we don't see who shot. Where is picture and video (and if you use video, please state exact time when this happens) of police shooting and killing a protester? I think it is you being dishonest because I have made this request many times on this list and never any evidence! Sun_dancer |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 5383047 United States 04/03/2014 01:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Actually none of these videos shows who shot the protesters - it is clever set-up. Quoting: Sun_dancer Wait a minute - so you are telling me that the Berkut shot at the protestors for 2 hours with AK-74's and sniper rifles ... ... but they are not the ones who shot the protestors !? You fail at your shill job. What is gonna be your new defense when they admit to it but claim justifable? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56236503 Greece 04/03/2014 01:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 John Schindler‏@20committee·29 mins Quoting: Newshunter Crimea shows that the "new" Russian military is less visibly drunk & incompetent than traditionally has been the case [link to www.nytimes.com] … LOL LOL ... the NY Times article it's pretty cool!!! LOL LOL Lot of truth in there. The Russia military was a mess in both Georgia and the Caucasus. They appear to have cleaned up their collective act somewhat. Nice photo there. Our Mother of God right in the middle. Very symbolic. I bet His army is coming to collective kick your Jewish a$$es. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 37539282 United States 04/03/2014 01:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 They needed to make their illegal actions of overthrowing the Government "the coup" LEGAL by having a dead President. Read the Constitution - only a dead President was their legal justification to take over the way they did. Til now, the current Government of Kiev is illegal and Yanukovich the legal President according to the Constitution. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56374216 Ukraine 04/03/2014 01:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 They needed to make their illegal actions of overthrowing the Government "the coup" LEGAL by having a dead President. Read the Constitution - only a dead President was their legal justification to take over the way they did. Til now, the current Government of Kiev is illegal and Yanukovich the legal President according to the Constitution. i was hoping for an answer from the Anonymous Coward User ID: 5383047 as he appears to have insider insight into what the outcome will be into this investigation... death, resignation or impeachment through the constitutional court, which was conveniently disbanded by those who usurped power |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56374216 Ukraine 04/03/2014 01:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 3 police commandoes suspected of Kiev protesters’ shooting detained in Ukraine World April 03, 9:42 UTC+4 KIEV, April 03. /ITAR-TASS/. The Ukrainian Prosecutor General’s Office, the country’s Security Service and the country’s Interior Ministry have detained three Berkut police commandoes on suspicion of mass shooting of people in central Kiev on February 20, news agency Ukrinform reported on Thursday. “The detainees are officers of Kiev police commando squadron Berkut, the so-called “black squadron”. They are suspected of mass killing of people,” the news agency quoted Prosecutor General Oleh Makhnitsky as saying. In the words of the general prosecutor, the detention operation was carried out on Wednesday evening and criminal proceedings were instituted. “Several other suspects in the February 20 events were identified,” Makhnitsky added. Ukrainian chief law enforcers will deliver officially an intermediate report over investigation of shooting case of people at protest actions in central Kiev on Thursday. [link to en.itar-tass.com] |
Sun_dancer User ID: 48671548 United States 04/03/2014 01:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Agreement on the Settlement of Crisis in Ukraine Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56374216 ... 4. Investigation into recent acts of violence will be conducted under joint monitoring from the authorities, the opposition and the Council of Europe. ... This is the Feb. 21 agreement to which Russia repeatedly refers. So, was this part carried out? We know the "opposition" is involved in the investigation - it is currently the government. What about "the authorities" (which would be, now, the Party of Regions, as I guess Yanukovich is out of the question) and the Council of Europe? I don't recall any mention of Council of Europe involved in this investigation. Did I miss something? Sun_dancer |
Sun_dancer User ID: 48671548 United States 04/03/2014 01:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 They tried to kill him - because if he is dead, this is best way to get rid of president; impeaching him requires evidence, due process, etc., this is why Yanukovych was never impeached (there is apparently no evidence of his crimes). Sun_dancer |
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Sun_dancer User ID: 48671548 United States 04/03/2014 01:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Actually none of these videos shows who shot the protesters - it is clever set-up. Quoting: Sun_dancer Wait a minute - so you are telling me that the Berkut shot at the protestors for 2 hours with AK-74's and sniper rifles ... ... but they are not the ones who shot the protestors !? You fail at your shill job. What is gonna be your new defense when they admit to it but claim justifable? It was two hours of firing? Do you have video of this? Because the entire event was recorded all day with numerous cameras, I have not seen 2 hours of firing (maybe this was total elapsed time, but I have not seen two hours of firing). And I don't know what weapons the police shown in the videos I have seen used or what types of rounds (lethal or non-lethal), There are some places where they are clearly using non-lethal bullets. I know at the time the government was claiming it was all non-lethal and no police had live ammunition. Yes you will claim this is lie because government said it, so I ask you: show proof please of police killing someone. Obviously you have none this is why you are making silly accusation after silly accusation. There simply is a lot of evidence the "opposition" forces shot the protesters, this is fact you refuse to accept because of ideological reasons. Try to look at this with open mind - like professional. What is the evidence? Not some cleverly edited videos, the fact they are edited so very very cleverly just increases the suspicion that it was all a set-up, including the cameramen. Last Edited by Sun_dancer on 04/03/2014 01:57 AM Sun_dancer |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56374216 Ukraine 04/03/2014 01:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Agreement on the Settlement of Crisis in Ukraine Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56374216 ... 4. Investigation into recent acts of violence will be conducted under joint monitoring from the authorities, the opposition and the Council of Europe. ... This is the Feb. 21 agreement to which Russia repeatedly refers. So, was this part carried out? We know the "opposition" is involved in the investigation - it is currently the government. What about "the authorities" (which would be, now, the Party of Regions, as I guess Yanukovich is out of the question) and the Council of Europe? I don't recall any mention of Council of Europe involved in this investigation. Did I miss something? [link to www.auswaertiges-amt.de] PDF of the agreement on the German Foreign Office website |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 50310705 Canada 04/03/2014 01:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Bulgaria has put its air force on alert 30 times in the past 2 months in response to a spike in Russian military aircraft flying near border Massive Russian “ready” force could enter #Ukraine within 12-hours of getting an order, @NATO Sup. Cmdr. NATO general says Russian army "ready to go and...could accomplish its objectives in between 3 and 5 days" in Ukraine |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56374216 Ukraine 04/03/2014 02:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Bulgaria has put its air force on alert 30 times in the past 2 months in response to a spike in Russian military aircraft flying near border Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50310705 Massive Russian “ready” force could enter #Ukraine within 12-hours of getting an order, @NATO Sup. Cmdr. NATO general says Russian army "ready to go and...could accomplish its objectives in between 3 and 5 days" in Ukraine would like him to elaborate on these objectives, what he believes they may be |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56374216 Ukraine 04/03/2014 02:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 International Panorama 3 апреля, 9:54 UTC+4 MOSCOW, April 3. / ITAR-TASS /. In late May, at the summit of the "troika" will be finalized by the Treaty on the Eurasian Union. This was stated by Foreign Minister of Kazakhstan Yerlan Idrisov, opening talks with his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov. "At the end of May this year in Astana, we intend to complete the formal work on this document (Treaty on the Eurasian Union)," - said Idris. |
Unit 88 User ID: 18308887 United Kingdom 04/03/2014 02:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Bulgaria has put its air force on alert 30 times in the past 2 months in response to a spike in Russian military aircraft flying near border Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50310705 Massive Russian “ready” force could enter #Ukraine within 12-hours of getting an order, @NATO Sup. Cmdr. NATO general says Russian army "ready to go and...could accomplish its objectives in between 3 and 5 days" in Ukraine would like him to elaborate on these objectives, what he believes they may be That's what I have been asking. What exactly are the Russian military objectives in east and south Ukraine? Last Edited by The Gathering Storm on 04/03/2014 02:08 AM |
JazzyG Forum Administrator User ID: 5725534 United States 04/03/2014 02:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Bulgaria has put its air force on alert 30 times in the past 2 months in response to a spike in Russian military aircraft flying near border Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50310705 Massive Russian “ready” force could enter #Ukraine within 12-hours of getting an order, @NATO Sup. Cmdr. NATO general says Russian army "ready to go and...could accomplish its objectives in between 3 and 5 days" in Ukraine would like him to elaborate on these objectives, what he believes they may be That's what I have been asking. What exactly are the Russian military objectives in east and south Ukraine? Could be securing a land bridge for Crimea? To know where your heart is, look where your mind goes when it wanders. A rock in bad hands killed Abel. A rock in good hands killed Goliath. It isn't about the rock. A true warrior fights not because he hates the one in front of him, but because he loves those behind him. INTP-A |
Sun_dancer User ID: 48671548 United States 04/03/2014 02:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Actually none of these videos shows who shot the protesters - it is clever set-up. Quoting: Sun_dancer ... What is gonna be your new defense when they admit to it but claim justifable? Just as an aside - if the officers claim they are guilty, and receive less than the maximum sentence, it does not mean they are guilty (indeed, even if they are convicted it does not mean this). One can look at the evidence and judge for oneself if it is convincing or not - the jury is just some regular people. Now plea bargains are really blackmail, at least in US, I don't know how Ukraine works, maybe you can enlighten us? In US the government will say "Say you are guilty and we take death penalty off the table". So now if you are defendant, the questions is not whether you are guilty, but whether you think you will be convicted. If you know the government is dishonest, and will convict you no matter what (maybe it controls the judge, maybe it has used so much propaganda before the trial that everyone in the country already believes you are guilty and will not believe you when you say you are innocent), what would you do? There are quite many people who will plead guilty instead of innocent in order to avoid what they think is a certain death penalty (or for example, 50 years in jail when plea bargain is for 5 years). I believe a plea bargain is unconstitutional, because it deprives a defendant of trial by jury. The government, in my opinion, cannot offer you a lesser charge for pleading guilty - this is blackmail / extortion / thuggery. Sun_dancer |
Nordic Wolf User ID: 1269431 Switzerland 04/03/2014 02:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Maxim Eristavi‏@MaximEristavi·23 min 9 riot-police snipers arrested for mass murder of #Euromaidan protesters in February - Ukraine Attorney General pic.twitter.com/2BguJF5BvB Loosing an illusion makes you wiser than finding a truth. ~Ludwig Börne Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it. ~Andre Gide Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw |