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Russia deploys troops on Transnistria border: (AGI) Kiev, April 4 - Ukraine's deputy Prime Minister, [link to www.agi.it]


(AGI) Kiev, April 4 - Ukraine's deputy Prime Minister, Vitali Yarema, has accused Russia of preparing to annex the Moldavian region of Transnistria, amassing 15,000 troops on the border.
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Russian Market ‏@russian_market · 4 min
Geez. Now they are talking officially about replacing McDonalds in Russia.


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Make room for Mc Rooskie!

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Agenzia Italia‏@AGI_Italy_News·2 mins
Russia deploys troops on Transnistria border: (AGI) Kiev, April 4 - Ukraine's deputy Prime Minister, [link to www.agi.it]


(AGI) Kiev, April 4 - Ukraine's deputy Prime Minister, Vitali Yarema, has accused Russia of preparing to annex the Moldavian region of Transnistria, amassing 15,000 troops on the border.
 Quoting: Newshunter


Well wouldn´t they have to be in mainland Ukraine to do so? So I doubt it..
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Agenzia Italia‏@AGI_Italy_News·2 mins
Russia deploys troops on Transnistria border: (AGI) Kiev, April 4 - Ukraine's deputy Prime Minister, [link to www.agi.it]


(AGI) Kiev, April 4 - Ukraine's deputy Prime Minister, Vitali Yarema, has accused Russia of preparing to annex the Moldavian region of Transnistria, amassing 15,000 troops on the border.
 Quoting: Newshunter


Well wouldn´t they have to be in mainland Ukraine to do so? So I doubt it..
 Quoting: Nordic Wolf

Don't worry, Ukraine and NATO have been crying "Nordic Wolf" for weeks now!!
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That's it....America will just ban All McRooskies Restaurants .....of we don't have any ...

What's Russia going to do next ban rock and roll?
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Putin already banned womens lingerie & lace underwear. stores cant sell them & no imports are allowed. it takes effect this coming june.
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Nah, rock and roll already destroyed in America along with all other arts, literature and journalism on purpose, gee wonder why?
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That's it....America will just ban All McRooskies Restaurants .....of we don't have any ...

What's Russia going to do next ban rock and roll?
 Quoting: Uncle Fuck Stick


Putin already banned womens lingerie & lace underwear. stores cant sell them & no imports are allowed. it takes effect this coming june.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39204702


Nah, rock and roll already destroyed in America along with all other arts, literature and journalism on purpose, gee wonder why?
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Education as well, forgot that one.
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Russia deploys troops on Transnistria border: (AGI) Kiev, April 4 - Ukraine's deputy Prime Minister, [link to www.agi.it]


(AGI) Kiev, April 4 - Ukraine's deputy Prime Minister, Vitali Yarema, has accused Russia of preparing to annex the Moldavian region of Transnistria, amassing 15,000 troops on the border.
 Quoting: Newshunter


Well wouldn´t they have to be in mainland Ukraine to do so? So I doubt it..
 Quoting: Nordic Wolf

Don't worry, Ukraine and NATO have been crying "Nordic Wolf" for weeks now!!
 Quoting: Sun_dancer


hf
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Even if I were to agree with you about "punishment", which is far from clear, refusing to do business with someone in no way violates international law, or the Budapest Memorandum.
 Quoting: Sun_dancer


Actually by threatening economic punishment if Ukraine exercised its sovereign right to sign an economic agreement with the EU Russia broke Article 3 of the memorandum.

In Article 3 the signatories vowed to: "refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind".
 Quoting: Polemarchos

What does "economic coercion" mean under international law, and what did Russia do specifically to "economically coerce" Ukraine?

You seem to use the word "punishment" as if it means "economic coercion", but there are not the same terms. "Economic coercion" is a specific legal term. Unless you know what it means, you are in no position to accuse anyone of doing this.

And what specific acts do you contend were "economic coercion" (as defined by international law, not as you may imagine it is defined not knowing anything about it)?

Sorry, when foreigners sponsor, train and support violent mobs that overthrow the government - that violates international law. Of course it is also "Ukraine's internal problem".
 Quoting: Sun_dancer


A revolution, an overthrow of government or even a civil war doesn't cancel a state's sovereignty and border integrity. The Budapest Memorandum doesn't have any article or annex stating that its provisions become null if a Ukrainian president or government is overthrown in this or that manner.
 Quoting: Polemarchos

I was referring to the principle of international law, encapsulated in Article 2(4) of the UN Charter and section 2 of the Budapest Memo, to "refrain from the ... use of force against the ... political independence of Ukraine".

If one country hires an armed mob to take over the capital of a country and install a puppet regime, I would consider it a violation of those provisions. And to a large extent, that is what happened in Kiev. If the US/EU would have stayed completely out of it, there would have been no violation; but they did not.

That's why, unlike you, I don't automatically disbelieve claims that these "self-defense forces" were not Russian. Did Russia supply their equipment? I don't know, I do know that I have been to many military supply stores where you can get basically everything they were wearing. Maybe Russia gave them equipment too - I don't know and I don't care.
 Quoting: Sun_dancer


Gun ownership is very limited/strict in Europe. There are no military supply stores where one can purchase latest AKs and kevlars. And those guys also had even heavy machineguns.
 Quoting: Polemarchos

Different guys had different equipment. But Crimean parliament / government is not limited by military supply stores - I was just giving an example since many commentators had focused on their uniforms and their training (well every Ukrainian man has military training - until recently Ukraine had conscription).

Some of the guys were clearly Russian military, but these guys were legally on Crimean land. As you know, Russia has a lot of actual military bases there. Some probably went off base when not allowed to by the coup government, but if one takes the view that the coup government is illegitimate, who cares what they say.

Then we also have requests for Russian help from both Crimean parliament and the constitutional President of Ukraine.

I would not worry about legal ramifications of this if I were Russia. Many many worse things happen in the world and the perpetrators are not punished.

In terms of blocking naval bases, yes, it was a brief blockade. Already on Feb. 27, shortly after the coup, the Crimean Parliament decided to declare independence from Ukraine, and asked Russia for assistance. Some assistance was provided to ensure the vote went smoothly and Ukraine did not prevent it. Once can argue whether technically this assistance violated international law, since Crimea was unable to take these defensive measures itself. The argument would be: the moment Crimea declared itself independent, on February 27, it was no longer part of Ukraine, and Ukraine's ships were trespassing on Crimean waters. Crimea asked them to leave; when they refused, Russia blockaded them at Crimea's request.
 Quoting: Sun_dancer


It sure broke Russia's signature/promise on the Budapest Memorandum.
 Quoting: Polemarchos

We'll just agree to disagree. Good day!
 Quoting: Sun_dancer


Economic coercion? Ok.

What about 5 or more billion $ on "regime change" aka "Revolution"? That would be "uneconomic coercion"?
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Video shows Russian Mi-35 gunship helicopters ultra-low altitude flying over Black Sea beaches
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hesright
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And I would like to add that the Republic of Crimea was already a "some independent entity" from Ukraine and now is gone. So, Polemarchos put your soul in pace.

Gone... that's it! End of story.

rex
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I am at peace. I know Putin will plunge the world in WW3.
 Quoting: Polemarchos


my previous post was directed at you Polyfartos, not to Sun Dancer, to whom I apologize.
Ukrainean assassin Krustchew stole Crimea from Russia and now the Ukrainean unfairness was amended, and in a fair way, via free referendum. In 1954 Krustchew did not ask anybody, there was no referendum.
Btw If Moldova would be attached back to Romania by referendum, would your foul rhetorics be the same?
Unless you are after fresh lobotomy, you must know that it is not Putin who presses the world over the abyss rim, but the khazar greedy pimps who are pimping US political scene. Or are you one of them?
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So Romania doing in Moldova what Russia did in Crimea? Oh my what an interesting thought. Russia would throw such a girly hissy fit over that.... Russians would cry and moan and bitch about it like there's no tomorrow. And they would oppose it. Because they have opposed these ideas since the collapse of the USSR.

Oh yes poor Putler, he wants peace and only peace but it's the Joos who are pushing the world to world war.... Please....
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Russia to return the ships it stole from Ukrainian Navy, starting with corvette Ternopil, which will set out for Odessa soon - RIA Novosti
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And I would like to add that the Republic of Crimea was already a "some independent entity" from Ukraine and now is gone. So, Polemarchos put your soul in pace.

Gone... that's it! End of story.

rex
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I am at peace. I know Putin will plunge the world in WW3.
 Quoting: Polemarchos


my previous post was directed at you Polyfartos, not to Sun Dancer, to whom I apologize.
Ukrainean assassin Krustchew stole Crimea from Russia and now the Ukrainean unfairness was amended, and in a fair way, via free referendum. In 1954 Krustchew did not ask anybody, there was no referendum.
Btw If Moldova would be attached back to Romania by referendum, would your foul rhetorics be the same?
Unless you are after fresh lobotomy, you must know that it is not Putin who presses the world over the abyss rim, but the khazar greedy pimps who are pimping US political scene. Or are you one of them?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56280941


So Romania doing in Moldova what Russia did in Crimea? Oh my what an interesting thought. Russia would throw such a girly hissy fit over that.... Russians would cry and moan and bitch about it like there's no tomorrow. And they would oppose it. Because they have opposed these ideas since the collapse of the USSR.

Oh yes poor Putler, he wants peace and only peace but it's the Joos who are pushing the world to world war.... Please....
 Quoting: Polemarchos


LOL, you got that right about US doing exactly the same about Crimea!
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#UK's William #Hague: we haven't seen real de-escalation by #Russia, Europe must not relax in preparing a third tier of sanctions. reeuuters
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Moscow has right to suspend NATO transit to Afghanistan across its territory - MP

NATO's decision to suspend cooperation with Russia gives Moscow the right to suspend NATO transit to Afghanistan across Russian territory, Federation Council Defense and Security Committee Chairman Viktor Ozerov said.

"NATO is transporting armaments, military hardware and servicemen to Afghanistan across our territory. If our cooperation comes to a halt, we will have the right to suspend this transit, and the alliance will have to find other routes," Ozerov told Interfax on Wednesday. ...

[link to voiceofrussia.com]


So... now what? pphtt
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Now we know that Russia is helping "Nazi" occupation of Afganistan. That occupation would not be possible without "antifascists" assistance.
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Three Topol-M launchers to participate in Moscow parade on May 9
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McCain is invited....

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What does "economic coercion" mean under international law, and what did Russia do specifically to "economically coerce" Ukraine?

You seem to use the word "punishment" as if it means "economic coercion", but there are not the same terms. "Economic coercion" is a specific legal term. Unless you know what it means, you are in no position to accuse anyone of doing this.

And what specific acts do you contend were "economic coercion" (as defined by international law, not as you may imagine it is defined not knowing anything about it)?
 Quoting: Sun_dancer


You can google it and see how Putin threatened Ukraine with economic retaliation in early to mid 2013, long before Maidan.

I was referring to the principle of international law, encapsulated in Article 2(4) of the UN Charter and section 2 of the Budapest Memo, to "refrain from the ... use of force against the ... political independence of Ukraine".

If one country hires an armed mob to take over the capital of a country and install a puppet regime, I would consider it a violation of those provisions. And to a large extent, that is what happened in Kiev. If the US/EU would have stayed completely out of it, there would have been no violation; but they did not.
 Quoting: Sun_dancer


The hiring of the armed mob has to be proven. It generally can't. Besides, this wasn't the first turmoil/revolution in Ukraine.
If there was a violation then Russia should have went at the UN and presented her case to the UNSC prior to sending troops. As stipulated by the Budapest Memorandum. Russia first sent troops, secured the Crimea, prepared the referendum and then started talking at the UNSC.

Some of the guys were clearly Russian military, but these guys were legally on Crimean land. As you know, Russia has a lot of actual military bases there. Some probably went off base when not allowed to by the coup government, but if one takes the view that the coup government is illegitimate, who cares what they say.
 Quoting: Sun_dancer


The obligations of the Russian soldiers were to respect the basing deal Russia signed with Ukraine. Just because a government may be disputed or a country's leadership interim until new elections doesn't mean foreign soldiers based in a country can start to act as they please.
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I am at peace. I know Putin will plunge the world in WW3.
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my previous post was directed at you Polyfartos, not to Sun Dancer, to whom I apologize.
Ukrainean assassin Krustchew stole Crimea from Russia and now the Ukrainean unfairness was amended, and in a fair way, via free referendum. In 1954 Krustchew did not ask anybody, there was no referendum.
Btw If Moldova would be attached back to Romania by referendum, would your foul rhetorics be the same?
Unless you are after fresh lobotomy, you must know that it is not Putin who presses the world over the abyss rim, but the khazar greedy pimps who are pimping US political scene. Or are you one of them?
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So Romania doing in Moldova what Russia did in Crimea? Oh my what an interesting thought. Russia would throw such a girly hissy fit over that.... Russians would cry and moan and bitch about it like there's no tomorrow. And they would oppose it. Because they have opposed these ideas since the collapse of the USSR.

Oh yes poor Putler, he wants peace and only peace but it's the Joos who are pushing the world to world war.... Please....
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LOL, you got that right about US doing exactly the same about Crimea!
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The question is what would you Russia tards do if Romania did exactly what Russia did? I bet you would tow the Moscow line and say it's illegal and shit.
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16:42 Western MD air defense forces hold LFX in Astrakhan region


16:43 Ukraine security threat remains despite fewer Russian troops on border - ministry


17:01 NATO yet to decide where to place additional planes to guard Baltic airspace


17:03 Transdniestria not posing threat to Ukraine - diplomats


17:37 Duma passes bill on fast track to Russian citizenship


[link to www.interfax.com]

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1315 GMT: NATO maintains that Russia has not pulled back its troops from the borders with Russia, and now Russia says that it is pulling its ambassador to NATO and may have to send even more troops west:


Col. Gen. Valery Yevnevich will return to Moscow in light of NATO’s actions, official news agency ITAR-Tass said, citing Russian Deputy Defence Minister Anatoly Antonov’s remarks to journalists.

“The policy of (deliberately) whipping up tensions is not our choice. Nonetheless, we see no possibility to continue military cooperation with NATO in a routine regime,” Antonov is quoted as saying.

He accused NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen of making “confrontational statements” at the meeting of NATO foreign ministers early this week and questioned NATO steps to bolster its presence in Eastern Europe.

Earlier, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov also said Moscow wanted answers from NATO regarding activities in Eastern Europe after the Western military alliance said it would step up defenses for its eastern members.

Is Russia still poised to invade Ukraine? This heightened rhetoric may be the precursor to such an action. Yet, it’s important to note two things:

1) Russia is throwing its weight around, and is using threat of war to its advantage to pressure countries like Ukraine, Estonia, and Moldova to increase autonomy of its regions, which Russia believes will give it more political and economic reach without ever firing a shot. In Russia’s calculations, the military is always a more powerful tool than the sum of its guns.

2) If Russia does invade, things may not go quite as well for Russia as one might expect. Two articles on The Interpreter highlight this. This first, by Andrew Bowen, examines Russia’s military preparedness and argues that the Crimean invasion went so well because Russia sent its elite forces. The rest of Russia’s military is in disrepair.


The second article is by Paul Goble, who cites experts in Moscow who believe that China will annex territory from Russia should the Kremlin send too many forces west.

[link to www.interpretermag.com]
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Poland wants 2 brigades (~10K troops) from NATO as insurance. If the Alliance can't find that, you have to start wondering what NATO is for.


John Schindler&#8207;@20committee·2 mins
US Army is down to 2 BCTs in Europe, add a 3rd in Poland and ask NATO to assemble a composite bde. This should not be this big a challenge.
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Even if I were to agree with you about "punishment", which is far from clear, refusing to do business with someone in no way violates international law, or the Budapest Memorandum.
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Actually by threatening economic punishment if Ukraine exercised its sovereign right to sign an economic agreement with the EU Russia broke Article 3 of the memorandum.

In Article 3 the signatories vowed to: "refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind".
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What does "economic coercion" mean under international law, and what did Russia do specifically to "economically coerce" Ukraine?

You seem to use the word "punishment" as if it means "economic coercion", but there are not the same terms. "Economic coercion" is a specific legal term. Unless you know what it means, you are in no position to accuse anyone of doing this.

And what specific acts do you contend were "economic coercion" (as defined by international law, not as you may imagine it is defined not knowing anything about it)?

Sorry, when foreigners sponsor, train and support violent mobs that overthrow the government - that violates international law. Of course it is also "Ukraine's internal problem".
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A revolution, an overthrow of government or even a civil war doesn't cancel a state's sovereignty and border integrity. The Budapest Memorandum doesn't have any article or annex stating that its provisions become null if a Ukrainian president or government is overthrown in this or that manner.
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I was referring to the principle of international law, encapsulated in Article 2(4) of the UN Charter and section 2 of the Budapest Memo, to "refrain from the ... use of force against the ... political independence of Ukraine".

If one country hires an armed mob to take over the capital of a country and install a puppet regime, I would consider it a violation of those provisions. And to a large extent, that is what happened in Kiev. If the US/EU would have stayed completely out of it, there would have been no violation; but they did not.

That's why, unlike you, I don't automatically disbelieve claims that these "self-defense forces" were not Russian. Did Russia supply their equipment? I don't know, I do know that I have been to many military supply stores where you can get basically everything they were wearing. Maybe Russia gave them equipment too - I don't know and I don't care.
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Gun ownership is very limited/strict in Europe. There are no military supply stores where one can purchase latest AKs and kevlars. And those guys also had even heavy machineguns.
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Different guys had different equipment. But Crimean parliament / government is not limited by military supply stores - I was just giving an example since many commentators had focused on their uniforms and their training (well every Ukrainian man has military training - until recently Ukraine had conscription).

Some of the guys were clearly Russian military, but these guys were legally on Crimean land. As you know, Russia has a lot of actual military bases there. Some probably went off base when not allowed to by the coup government, but if one takes the view that the coup government is illegitimate, who cares what they say.

Then we also have requests for Russian help from both Crimean parliament and the constitutional President of Ukraine.

I would not worry about legal ramifications of this if I were Russia. Many many worse things happen in the world and the perpetrators are not punished.

In terms of blocking naval bases, yes, it was a brief blockade. Already on Feb. 27, shortly after the coup, the Crimean Parliament decided to declare independence from Ukraine, and asked Russia for assistance. Some assistance was provided to ensure the vote went smoothly and Ukraine did not prevent it. Once can argue whether technically this assistance violated international law, since Crimea was unable to take these defensive measures itself. The argument would be: the moment Crimea declared itself independent, on February 27, it was no longer part of Ukraine, and Ukraine's ships were trespassing on Crimean waters. Crimea asked them to leave; when they refused, Russia blockaded them at Crimea's request.
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It sure broke Russia's signature/promise on the Budapest Memorandum.
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We'll just agree to disagree. Good day!
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Economic coercion? Ok.

What about 5 or more billion $ on "regime change" aka "Revolution"? That would be "uneconomic coercion"?
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Why don't you economically coerce me. You don't have a go full 5 billions. Several hundred would do
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my previous post was directed at you Polyfartos, not to Sun Dancer, to whom I apologize.
Ukrainean assassin Krustchew stole Crimea from Russia and now the Ukrainean unfairness was amended, and in a fair way, via free referendum. In 1954 Krustchew did not ask anybody, there was no referendum.
Btw If Moldova would be attached back to Romania by referendum, would your foul rhetorics be the same?
Unless you are after fresh lobotomy, you must know that it is not Putin who presses the world over the abyss rim, but the khazar greedy pimps who are pimping US political scene. Or are you one of them?
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So Romania doing in Moldova what Russia did in Crimea? Oh my what an interesting thought. Russia would throw such a girly hissy fit over that.... Russians would cry and moan and bitch about it like there's no tomorrow. And they would oppose it. Because they have opposed these ideas since the collapse of the USSR.

Oh yes poor Putler, he wants peace and only peace but it's the Joos who are pushing the world to world war.... Please....
 Quoting: Polemarchos


LOL, you got that right about US doing exactly the same about Crimea!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56426723


The question is what would you Russia tards do if Romania did exactly what Russia did? I bet you would tow the Moscow line and say it's illegal and shit.
 Quoting: Polemarchos

No, I would say anyone who violates the international law should be held responsible.

Both USA and Russia did it.
Pandora's box was opened and now -
the season for d..k size challenge is on full swing...

UN should intervened long ago, but those sorry asses hell bent on money and hookers instead of keeping the world peace!

Question is, when those missiles starts flying, does it matter who is US-tard or Russ-tard?
Allowing that to happen would make ALL OF US, ultimate RETARDS!
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Belgium riot police have clashed with union workers protesting against austerity measures near the US Embassy in Brussels, using water cannons to disperse the demonstrators.

And... Ukraine is looking to join EU??

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Russia's State Duma has unanimously passed a statement On Political Repressions in Ukraine, in which it expressed concerns about violations of pro-Russian citizens in the country.

"While leaning on extremist forces and involving the law enforcement agencies, the self-proclaimed authorities use methods which violate peoples' rights regarding their political opponents and resort to repressions and physical violence in order to pursue citizens over political motives," the statement said.

Political repressions rule out the possibility of a civilized resolution of the political crisis in Ukraine, Russian deputies said.
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Hagel : “There are troops that are moving around...but no indications of any significant movements...away from the border”
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Belgium riot police have clashed with union workers protesting against austerity measures near the US Embassy in Brussels, using water cannons to disperse the demonstrators.

And... Ukraine is looking to join EU??

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well, that should give you a rough idea what life in Ukraine is like.
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1346 GMT: Russia has again increased the price of gas sold to Ukraine. Gas is now 80% more expensive than it was this past winter.


Prime Minister Arseny Yatseniuk said the latest move, two weeks after Moscow annexed Ukraine’s Crimea region, was unacceptable and warned that he expected Russia to increase pressure on Kiev by limiting supply to his country.

“There is no reason why Russia would raise the gas price for Ukraine … other than one – politics,” Yatseniuk told Reuters in an interview in the Ukrainian capital Kiev.

“We expect Russia to go further in terms of pressure on the gas front, including limiting gas supplies to Ukraine.”

While Ukraine seems like it may fight the decision in the international courts, this is another example of how Ukraine’s dependence on Russia will be a hard habit to break, as Ukraine still depends on Russia for about 50% of its gas imports.

[link to www.interpretermag.com]
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Belgium riot police have clashed with union workers protesting against austerity measures near the US Embassy in Brussels, using water cannons to disperse the demonstrators.

And... Ukraine is looking to join EU??

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well, that should give you a rough idea what life in Ukraine is like.
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Ukrainian people went through that and won.

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